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(Times of Israel)   Israel: "Mess with us and you'll suffer the wrath of American military. What? That's what I said. Israeli military, No, I'm pretty sure I said Israeli military. Well, that's what I meant"   (timesofisrael.com) divider line 331
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2012-08-23 10:47:33 AM

muck4doo: ransack.: muck4doo: ransack.: muck4doo: ransack.: I'm just saying that anybody who believes in a sky-god should not govern a nation,

Like i said, you believe in your pointed head, that you have found an ultimate truth, Everyone should believe in your truth, and govern from there. Those who don't believe like you do need to be done away with. You are an authoritarian douche who shouldn't even be in charge of running a dog pound.

I don't think there should be a country for just white people. Does that mean I hate white people?

You think religious people have no business running a country. Only those who hail and worship Caeser like yourself should do so. All hail the new Atheist overlords. Oh wait, we tried this before. Look up Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao for more info. Wonderful guys they all were.

Also, notice I said organized religion. I don't care if my leader believes in God, I just don't want them being told what God thinks and wants done in His name by some Priest or Ayatollah or whatever.

Running with the goal posts again? How about if they think they are being told what to do by Marx?

Fark lib foreign policy explained: Link


Well, he's dead, so that person would be mentally ill.
 
2012-08-23 10:52:18 AM
Same old song and dance from tats and his backups singers. I don't hate you. I simply don't care. If Israel lives on for another thousand years or gets razed from the ground next week, I could care less. You're not better than anyone else, regardless what book of fiction your propagate your beliefs on.
 
2012-08-23 10:58:52 AM

JeffDudeLebowski: Same old song and dance from tats and his backups singers. I don't hate you. I simply don't care. If Israel lives on for another thousand years or gets razed from the ground next week, I could care less. You're not better than anyone else, regardless what book of fiction your propagate your beliefs on.


You don't care enough to have posted in this thread. Oh wait, you did. You're not so hip after all.
 
2012-08-23 11:03:59 AM
"When a person says, 'zionist,' what they really mean is, 'Jew.'"

- Martin Luther King Jr.

Still true today.

/oh, and the Israelis responsible for the attempted lynching of Jamal Julani were arrested by Isrraeli police and are being held in custody pending trial
//the Palestinians responsible for lynching Vadim Nurzhitz and Yossi Avrahami are still treated as heroes, and Hamas eventually won their release by trading Gilad Shalit for them
 
2012-08-23 11:35:35 AM
Tatterdemalian
"When a person says, 'zionist,' what they really mean is, 'Jew.'"
- Martin Luther King Jr.


[citation needed]
 
2012-08-23 11:44:35 AM

GAT_00: BitwiseShift: As a protest, Iran promises to only watch NCIS re-runs before Ziva.

Kate > Ziva.

Yeah I said it.


Greened

/Seconded
 
2012-08-23 12:33:43 PM

consider this: dr_blasto: WTF would you do if you found yourself displaced from your home, forced to live in a camp or burnt out city with only limited resources in the form of water or power and no lawful travel rights?

I'm not advocating rocket attacks on civilians. I think that's horrendous, but the world the Palestinians are forced to accept is also horrendous.


Yeah, if only they had somewhere else to go.

[allfaith.com image 400x298]


Difficulty on your map there:

a) Pretty much everything north of Iraq or Syria are very much NOT Arab, to the point that you'll get an equivalent reaction by calling them "Arab" if you called a Korean person "Japanese". (Which is to say, being punched in the nose would be a MILD reaction, and threats to murderise you might well happen. Especially so in the case of Turks and Iranians.)

b) It's also rather iffy to call Sudan (as you depicted on the map) and Libya "Arab" either; Libya is where you start getting into a lot of Berber population (different group entirely than Arabs, of note) and Sudan (as depicted on the map) is before the country split into an Arab-majority half (modern Sudan) and a sub-Saharan-African majority half (South Sudan, the newest country in the world).

Yes, I know you're a professional Concern Troll, but figured I'd point that out. :D

Also notably missing on your World Tour of Ebil, Ebil Moslem Countries That Disagree With Israeli Occupation Of The West Bank And Gaza--Indonesia and Malaysia, both countries with mainline Sunni Moslem majorities and (population-wise) being the largest combined population of Moslems on Earth. Of course, they're also moderates, so apparently they don't count--apparently any Moslem country that pretty much up and calls Al-Qaida a bunch of fundamentalist asshats that have no place in civilised society don't count..

Also, missing Morocco (but they're Sufi-heavy so they don't count), Mali (which, ironically, IS having some rather serious issues with Wahhabists claiming connections to Al-Qaida presently wrecking Timbuktu because apparently Sufi Islam isn't Islamic enough--this would be roughly equivalent to "Jesus Camp" NARasites blowing up Quaker meeting houses, as an aside), and a few other countries that do have considerable Moslem populations but also trend less on the international "attention whore" scale. :D
 
2012-08-23 12:43:22 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: If Israel attacks Iran I think we must assist. Israel thinks that they must attack or risk being wiped out, off the map, a second holocaust.

If Israel is pushed to the point where they have to use their undeclared arsenal on their enemy, everyone loses. If Israel attacks and loses...and does not use their undeclared arsenal, the weapons fall into the wrong hands. We cannot afford either risk, so we have to assist in my estimation.


Exactly HOW are they going to attack?

First, Israel won't use their nuclear arsenal unless it is a last resort from being attacked an invaded, and complete destruction is nye. Every country in the world, including the USA would denounce them if they did use nuclear weapons unprovoked and as a 'first-strike' option. A large majority of Americans would most likely call for all aid to Israel to stop and sanctions (if not military action) against them.

For me, I believe Israel will all out attack out of self preservation. They have been provoked and have a legitimate weed up their ass.

Second, Israel has no way to fly over and bomb Iran's nuclear program from existence. Not only is Iran's nuclear program deep underground and some cases, under civilian buildings but the Israeli air force has no "o.k." for overflights from any of the nations between Israel and Iran.

I'm going to quote RandomRandom:

That's Israel's problem, they can't make a serious dent in Iran's deeply buried program without the US carrying nearly all the load. The Pentagon estimates it would take a a few weeks of US air power to put a serious dent in Iran's deeply buried underground assets. Israel has less than 5% of our air assets and they have no aircraft carriers. They have no force projection.

This means Israel would have to send their air forces over unfriendly territory for a month or longer, just to reach Iran. Not just fighters, (and Bombers/multi-role aircraft) but mid-air refuelers. A continuous air war flying over either Saudi Arabia, Iraq, or Turkey.

Option 1. Iraq. Iraq has no meaningful air force, but their government would threaten to kick the US completely out of the country in favor of the Russians or Chinese if we didn't quickly stop Israeli overflights. Our oil industry won't want us kicked out, Obama won't want us kicked out, hell, every single veteran of the Iraq war won't want us diplomatically booted from Iraq. With the backing of the Russians and/or Chinese, Israel would have to stop the overflights. Obama cannot allow the Russians or Chinese to take over our role in Iraq, so Obama would have to stop the overflights. That might give Israel a week, no longer.

Option 2. Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia's leadership wouldn't mind one bit were Israel to blow the fark out of Iran's nuclear program, but the populace would start tearing down the palace walls within 72 hours if the overflights didn't cease. At most, Israel would get a week, but I doubt they'd get that long. Given the possibility that tacitly allowing such overflights could initiate a Saudi Arab Spring, they may not get a minute. The Saudi's can definitely protect their own air space, they also have a defence pact with the US.

Option 3. Turkey. Turkey would shoot down the Israeli planes and call in NATO article 5 (which supersedes the US/Israeli alliance). All NATO members would be forced to stop the Israeli overflights, militarily and economically. Israel wouldn't risk Turkish overflights.

Option 4. Georgia. Georgia was considering allowing the Israelis basing rights, but that was before they tangled with Russia. Since it would require overflights of Azerbaijan or Russia, that has to be completely off the table now.

Option 5. Fly around Saudi Arabia through the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. It's a 7,000 mile round trip. It might work for a "30 seconds over Tokyo" sort of raid. A raid that would shake up Iran but do no real damage. The distance is too long for any meaningful number sorties to be sent. Unless Israel has been hiding an aircraft carrier they lack both the technical and political means to accomplish this mission.

Add all this up and it becomes very clear that Israel is completely full of shiat. They know they don't have the means to dent Iran's ambitions. We know they don't have the means, Iran knows they don't have the means. They can only put a tiny dent in Iran's nuclear program.

Israel is not going to use nuclear weapons against Iran as then that will start (at the very least) an arms race in the Middle-east and VALIDATE Iran in their quest for nuclear weapons.
 
2012-08-23 12:48:57 PM

ciberido: detritus: Zionists believe they need to fulfill biblical prophecy to have Jesus come back. They are tired of waiting, which is why the settlements continue to be built in the West Bank.

Zionists are not actually big fans of Jesus.


I think what he's referring to are not Jewish Zionists (who actually have had some historical argument with Orthodox Jewish communities in the US over the matter of whether Israel should be restored before the Mosaich comes) but in fact are "Christian Zionists", and in particular premillenial dispensationalists and quasi-premillenial-dispensationalists in certain neopentecostal communities in the US.

The latter actually DO have a rather bizarre end-of-the-world scenario (fictionalised in the Left Behind books, and originating in full form in the Scofield Reference Bible circa 1917 or so) that actually dictates that some critical mass of the world's Jewish population must end up in Israel (the creation of Israel as a state generally is claimed to be a sign of the imminent Rapture); post-Rapture, supposedly all of the world's Jewish population (even those populations in New York who think the Zionists were a bit hasty with their plans) are supposed to be herded to Israel (since converted into a mega-ghetto), two post-Rapture convertees to "Messianic Judaism" get martyred, and eventually trigger a mass conversion of at least 144,000 of the world's Jewish population to kosher neopentecostalism, and then Jesus comes back with Joel's Army and kills everyone who isn't the Right Kind Of Christian (The End).

(Yes, pretty much the only reason that the dominionists have their Israel Fetish is so the world's Jewish population end up in the world's biggest ghetto to be oppressed by the Antichrist and end up as the Right Kind Of Christian in what amounts to the Last Great Tent Revival. I think it would honestly behoove Jewish organisations to know and recognise this before allowing dominionist partnership with ANYTHING--the head of the ADL caught hell a few years back when he (rightfully) pointed this out, but there are groups now (such as Jews on First) that ARE warning Jewish folks to be careful re dominionist associations due to how they're seen in neopente end-time theology.)

Some variants pretty much claim that Jesus can't come back (for the Rapture) until a critical mass of Jewish people in Israel are converted to "Messianic Judaism", again, the figure of 144,000 sometimes comes up.
 
2012-08-23 12:51:52 PM

muck4doo: ransack.: muck4doo: ransack.: I'm just saying that anybody who believes in a sky-god should not govern a nation,

Like i said, you believe in your pointed head, that you have found an ultimate truth, Everyone should believe in your truth, and govern from there. Those who don't believe like you do need to be done away with. You are an authoritarian douche who shouldn't even be in charge of running a dog pound.

I don't think there should be a country for just white people. Does that mean I hate white people?

You think religious people have no business running a country. Only those who hail and worship Caeser like yourself should do so. All hail the new Atheist overlords. Oh wait, we tried this before. Look up Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao for more info. Wonderful guys they all were.


Yes, they're famous for screaming "IN THE NAME OF DARWIN!!" as their fish-with-legs-emblazoned war machines screamed and slaughtered only the religious to slake the bloodthirst of the Evolution God. They only wanted athiests and evolutionists to have a free land only for them where they could practice their athiesm in peace.

Always amusing and sad how you people keep bringing them us as "examples" of "athiest" mass murderers, ignoring that it was political power and policies that drove them.
 
2012-08-23 01:25:43 PM
israel is afraid of a truly balanced, level, playing field.

that is why your friends are made to suffer.
 
2012-08-23 01:28:27 PM
Reading this while hungover = bad idea

/ow my brain
 
2012-08-23 01:33:32 PM

consider this: Bschott007: Add all this up and it becomes very clear that Israel is completely full of shiat. They know they don't have the means to dent Iran's ambitions.

They can fly straight through Syria and Iraq. They also have advanced ballistic missiles.


No, they can't. The Iraqi people would scream bloody murder and the Iraqi government would demand that the US either stop the overflights or the Iraqi government would have the Russians stop the overflights for them. Israel isn't stupid enough to tangle with Russia.

Their advanced ballistic missiles mean nothing. Really. Israel isn't going to nuke Iran for one, and using BMs for conventional payloads is a stupid use of equipment. Not only could it trigger an all out war (and make Russia/US/China very nervous to see a BM flying in the air), it is a very expensive way to deliver a small conventional payload.
 
2012-08-23 02:20:28 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: muck4doo: ransack.: muck4doo: ransack.: I'm just saying that anybody who believes in a sky-god should not govern a nation,

Like i said, you believe in your pointed head, that you have found an ultimate truth, Everyone should believe in your truth, and govern from there. Those who don't believe like you do need to be done away with. You are an authoritarian douche who shouldn't even be in charge of running a dog pound.

I don't think there should be a country for just white people. Does that mean I hate white people?

You think religious people have no business running a country. Only those who hail and worship Caeser like yourself should do so. All hail the new Atheist overlords. Oh wait, we tried this before. Look up Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao for more info. Wonderful guys they all were.

Yes, they're famous for screaming "IN THE NAME OF DARWIN!!" as their fish-with-legs-emblazoned war machines screamed and slaughtered only the religious to slake the bloodthirst of the Evolution God. They only wanted athiests and evolutionists to have a free land only for them where they could practice their athiesm in peace.

Always amusing and sad how you people keep bringing them us as "examples" of "athiest" mass murderers, ignoring that it was political power and policies that drove them.


Ah, they weren't true Scotsmen then?
 
2012-08-23 03:18:11 PM

Bschott007: Add all this up and it becomes very clear that Israel is completely full of shiat. They know they don't have the means to dent Iran's ambitions. We know they don't have the means, Iran knows they don't have the means. They can only put a tiny dent in Iran's nuclear program.Israel is not going to use nuclear weapons against Iran as then that will start (at the very least) an arms race in the Middle-east and VALIDATE Iran in their quest for nuclear weapons.


I know very little about Israel's real and actual options, but your analysis seems to agree with what I've read. While I truly don't want to see any war or strike against Iran, I am curious from a spy novel stance, as to just what the Israelis think they can do and how would they do that?

I think the lesson I've learned from watching Desert Storm and the Iraq War and even Libya is that shock and awe and short term strikes really do very little and much less than initially thought.

World Nut Daily is pushing a story that Israel will launch a nuclear EMP attack against Iran (or even the entire Middle East). Link
 
2012-08-23 03:20:36 PM
Hey Tatsuma you wily old alt-master, I miss your more frequent posting too, but I am glad to hear your life is busy.

Should the "opportunity" arise for you to be live-blogging the next war, I will expect you to submit a link.

/Not actually GAT_00
 
2012-08-23 03:38:03 PM

muck4doo:
Use whatever excuse to ease your hatred. Just because you hate people who don't adhere to your found truths, doesn't mean you're a bad person, right?


Do all Texans talk like this or did you just have a stroke or something?
 
2012-08-23 04:15:07 PM

logistic: muck4doo:
Use whatever excuse to ease your hatred. Just because you hate people who don't adhere to your found truths, doesn't mean you're a bad person, right?

Do all Texans talk like this or did you just have a stroke or something?


The hate in your head is thick. Not only do you hate Jews, but Texans too. What a sad little life you lead.
 
2012-08-23 04:45:21 PM
After reading through this I really think a lot of you need to pick up a history book and read it especially that poster with the comment of Israel picking fights and then running to the USA for help in fighting them. I really liked the stupidity of the Israel never acts out without consent from the USA I can name three times right off the top of my head and the last one was only a few years ago. The Arabic people have always been the aggressors and an instigators when you see Israel strike it is in response. The issue with the settlements is because the Arabic people lost that land to Israel in a war that they themselves started and lost.

I would support Israel over the Arabic nations any day of the week and if you knew anything about Arabic history you would too.
 
2012-08-23 05:08:48 PM

muck4doo:
The hate in your head is thick. Not only do you hate Jews, but Texans too. What a sad little life you lead.


Awww, you think you're worth hating lol keep dreaming, kid. I just feel a little sorry for you, like any mentally handicapped child I pass in the mall that reeks of the crap in its pants. But no, not hate. My hate is wayyyyy to valuable to be wasted on Texans or Israel.
 
2012-08-23 05:19:54 PM

muck4doo: Keizer_Ghidorah: muck4doo: ransack.: muck4doo: ransack.: I'm just saying that anybody who believes in a sky-god should not govern a nation,

Like i said, you believe in your pointed head, that you have found an ultimate truth, Everyone should believe in your truth, and govern from there. Those who don't believe like you do need to be done away with. You are an authoritarian douche who shouldn't even be in charge of running a dog pound.

I don't think there should be a country for just white people. Does that mean I hate white people?

You think religious people have no business running a country. Only those who hail and worship Caeser like yourself should do so. All hail the new Atheist overlords. Oh wait, we tried this before. Look up Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao for more info. Wonderful guys they all were.

Yes, they're famous for screaming "IN THE NAME OF DARWIN!!" as their fish-with-legs-emblazoned war machines screamed and slaughtered only the religious to slake the bloodthirst of the Evolution God. They only wanted athiests and evolutionists to have a free land only for them where they could practice their athiesm in peace.

Always amusing and sad how you people keep bringing them us as "examples" of "athiest" mass murderers, ignoring that it was political power and policies that drove them.

Ah, they weren't true Scotsmen then?


How is it "no true Scotsman"? They didn't do what they did "in the name of athiesm". They did it because they were horrible people on a power trip who saw many people as threats or tools, religious people included. They didn't kill people for not believing in evolution or simply because they believed in a deity. Don't know why you keep trying to equate the two sides with "Well, religious people committed atrocities because of their religion, so non-religious people committed atrocities because of their non-religion".

The Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Salem witch hunts happened because of religion.
Stalin and Mao happened because of evil people drunk on power.
 
2012-08-23 05:58:54 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: The Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Salem witch hunts happened because of religion.
Stalin and Mao happened because of evil people drunk on power.


Well, it's a little bit more complex than that--there has been a very good argument (made by parties studying coercive religious groups and coercive movements) that the personality cults around Stalin and Mao may count as "para-religions" as a sort...more properly, coercive religious groups and coercive political movements (such as the Maoist and Stalinist regimes) share so many characteristics between each other that they resemble each other more than (say) coercive religious groups resemble non-coercive mainline faiths or how personality cults resemble non-coercive political movements.

(This is actually why the trend in the Republican Party and its hijacking by dominionist groups (and to a lesser extent, personality cults) is concerning. Many of the groups within the dominionist movement (especially Christian Reconstructionists and New Apostolic Reformation-linked groups) are considered frankly coercive, and their major political wings are recognised as bona fide hate groups due to the extent of false info given in their "informational control" of their members; especially since the mid-2000s (but to greater or lesser extent since the beginnings of the steeplejacking of the GOP in the 60s to early 70s) it seems the coercive tactics that have had a long history of use within dominionist groups seem to be bleeding over into the GOP in general as organisational strategy. Cliff's Notes version: If the GOP party line seems more and more like cult-think, it's because it is...from the coercive religious groups that have taken it over from within and have a stranglehold on the elephant's trunk.)
 
2012-08-23 09:07:11 PM
Profedius
The issue with the settlements is because the Arabic people lost that land to Israel in a war that they themselves started and lost.

Seizing land through war is against international law. Taking land from civilians is a war crime, as is moving civilians into disputed territory (even indirectly such as through housing subsidies). Doing what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians because a bunch of other people lost a war decades ago, or even because of contemporary terrorism, is collective punishment, which is - you guessed it - a crime against humanity.

/not saying I agree with law, just pointing out the hypocrisy
 
2012-08-23 11:26:47 PM
Israel, shut the f*ck up. Seriously. If you were under attack, that'd be one thing--I'd be waving flags myself. But not only are you not under attack, you're provoking fights. Sit down, shut up, and start finding a way to play nice with your neighbors.
 
2012-08-24 10:05:45 AM

RanDomino: Profedius
The issue with the settlements is because the Arabic people lost that land to Israel in a war that they themselves started and lost.

Seizing land through war is against international law. Taking land from civilians is a war crime, as is moving civilians into disputed territory (even indirectly such as through housing subsidies). Doing what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians because a bunch of other people lost a war decades ago, or even because of contemporary terrorism, is collective punishment, which is - you guessed it - a crime against humanity.

/not saying I agree with law, just pointing out the hypocrisy


I don't agree with the law I think it is feel good law meant to protect the losers of a conflict. I also do not agree with the actions of Israel towards the Palestinians. I support Israel mainly due to their actions in dealing with the matter and their ability to create a somewhat stable government.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:00 AM

RanDomino: Seizing land through war is against international law.


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2012-08-24 02:01:38 PM

logistic: muck4doo:
The hate in your head is thick. Not only do you hate Jews, but Texans too. What a sad little life you lead.

Awww, you think you're worth hating lol keep dreaming, kid. I just feel a little sorry for you, like any mentally handicapped child I pass in the mall that reeks of the crap in its pants. But no, not hate. My hate is wayyyyy to valuable to be wasted on Texans or Israel.


i lol'd.
 
2012-08-24 02:05:04 PM

Bschott007: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: If Israel attacks Iran I think we must assist. Israel thinks that they must attack or risk being wiped out, off the map, a second holocaust.

If Israel is pushed to the point where they have to use their undeclared arsenal on their enemy, everyone loses. If Israel attacks and loses...and does not use their undeclared arsenal, the weapons fall into the wrong hands. We cannot afford either risk, so we have to assist in my estimation.


Exactly HOW are they going to attack?

First, Israel won't use their nuclear arsenal unless it is a last resort from being attacked an invaded, and complete destruction is nye. Every country in the world, including the USA would denounce them if they did use nuclear weapons unprovoked and as a 'first-strike' option. A large majority of Americans would most likely call for all aid to Israel to stop and sanctions (if not military action) against them.

For me, I believe Israel will all out attack out of self preservation. They have been provoked and have a legitimate weed up their ass.

Second, Israel has no way to fly over and bomb Iran's nuclear program from existence. Not only is Iran's nuclear program deep underground and some cases, under civilian buildings but the Israeli air force has no "o.k." for overflights from any of the nations between Israel and Iran.

I'm going to quote RandomRandom:

That's Israel's problem, they can't make a serious dent in Iran's deeply buried program without the US carrying nearly all the load. The Pentagon estimates it would take a a few weeks of US air power to put a serious dent in Iran's deeply buried underground assets. Israel has less than 5% of our air assets and they have no aircraft carriers. They have no force projection.

This means Israel would have to send their air forces over unfriendly territory for a month or longer, just to reach Iran. Not just fighters, (and Bombers/multi-role aircraft) but mid-air refuelers. A continuous air war flying over either Sau ...


so much truth in one place.
well said!
 
2012-08-24 02:43:14 PM
Profedius
I don't agree with the law I think it is feel good law meant to protect the losers of a conflict

Okay, and exactly how many Palestinian children alive today fought in the wars in the 60s-70s?
 
2012-08-24 04:02:05 PM

Bauer: Bschott007: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: If Israel attacks Iran I think we must assist. Israel thinks that they must attack or risk being wiped out, off the map, a second holocaust.

If Israel is pushed to the point where they have to use their undeclared arsenal on their enemy, everyone loses. If Israel attacks and loses...and does not use their undeclared arsenal, the weapons fall into the wrong hands. We cannot afford either risk, so we have to assist in my estimation.


Exactly HOW are they going to attack?

First, Israel won't use their nuclear arsenal unless it is a last resort from being attacked an invaded, and complete destruction is nye. Every country in the world, including the USA would denounce them if they did use nuclear weapons unprovoked and as a 'first-strike' option. A large majority of Americans would most likely call for all aid to Israel to stop and sanctions (if not military action) against them.

For me, I believe Israel will all out attack out of self preservation. They have been provoked and have a legitimate weed up their ass.

Second, Israel has no way to fly over and bomb Iran's nuclear program from existence. Not only is Iran's nuclear program deep underground and some cases, under civilian buildings but the Israeli air force has no "o.k." for overflights from any of the nations between Israel and Iran.

I'm going to quote RandomRandom:

That's Israel's problem, they can't make a serious dent in Iran's deeply buried program without the US carrying nearly all the load. The Pentagon estimates it would take a a few weeks of US air power to put a serious dent in Iran's deeply buried underground assets. Israel has less than 5% of our air assets and they have no aircraft carriers. They have no force projection.

This means Israel would have to send their air forces over unfriendly territory for a month or longer, just to reach Iran. Not just fighters, (and Bombers/multi-role aircraft) but mid-air refuelers. A continuous air war flying ove ...


Thank you. It just aggravates me that some people are being 'chicken little' about this and not thinking things through. Israel hitting Iraq's nuclear power plant back in the 1990's was different. They had permission for the overflight of Jordan.

Here they have to fly over Jordan, Iraq/Saudi Arabia, hit their target then fly back. Since their target is underground...deep underground...they would have to hit it multiple times just to reach the bunkers.

Also intel on the net indicates that many of the nuclear research facilities are under civilian targets. Israel would be bombing civilians and mosques. The other arab nations may not be hugging buddies with Iran but if Israel hit mosques and killed civilians who had nothing to do with the targets, then that would most likely give Iran a few somewhat friendly Arab allies if Iran chose to respond against Israel.

In any case, this is just hot air because HEY, it's an election year for Israel. It's an election year for Iran. And what do you know...it's an election year here in the USA!

Basically this is political blowhards talking tough to bolster support at the voting booths.
 
2012-08-26 09:19:41 AM
I think the money we send to this country should be shut off. If they want to start a war with Iran go it alone. If god promised them the country god can help without any assistence from other countries or their money. I have a hard time believing this "spiritual real estate agent" is more concerned about that small speck of dirt in the

Grow the fark up and fight your own war.
 
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