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2012-08-22 06:46:23 PM
I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that if you can't afford a trip, maybe you shouldn't take one
 
2012-08-22 06:57:17 PM

the_sidewinder: I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that if you can't afford a trip, maybe you shouldn't take one



Yep. And the person who handed out those passes better start updating their resume.
 
2012-08-22 07:06:04 PM
Good grief.
 
2012-08-22 07:12:26 PM
I'm really trying hard to muster up sympathy but:

the_sidewinder: I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that if you can't afford a trip, maybe you shouldn't take one


this exact reason is why I just can't seem to find any.
 
2012-08-22 07:16:16 PM
I fly a lot but have a friend who works as a flight attendant. She sometimes has extra buddy passes left over so I have taken a couple trips with them.

You are absolutely on the bottom of the list EVEN IF you have status with that airline - that doesn't matter. At least on the airline my friend works for she can at least put you on a list for a particular flight in advance (although you can still get bumped) and check the status of flights to see how busy they are. Usually the earliest flights have a few seats left but as the day goes on, your chances get slimmer and slimmer.

But in August? With no money. No way.
 
2012-08-22 07:19:45 PM
Oh and you are not supposed to use buddy passes for families - they really are for adults just because they do not guarantee you a seat.

I'm sure in the week that that family was in the airport there were flights with 1 or 2 or 3 seats open but that wasn't enough - they needed 4 seats.

Also, there is a dress code with buddy passes - no shorts or flip flops and they imply that you should wear a collared shirt.
 
2012-08-22 07:21:53 PM
I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.
 
2012-08-22 07:27:23 PM
if only they were the zaxxon family
 
2012-08-22 07:34:27 PM
i780.photobucket.com


yeesh.
 
2012-08-22 07:44:58 PM
My sis has offered me standby tickets many time for the major she flies with. Tempting, but my time is more valuable than the ticket price at this point in my life.

/my mom uses them, but she's been bumped a few times.
//no sympathy for the family
///well, maybe for the kids because they are being raised by simpletons
 
2012-08-22 07:48:11 PM
I like how the article assumes we all know what a buddy pass is or give a rat's ass about the family's shower status.
 
2012-08-22 07:48:44 PM

beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.


I was on an American flight on August 8th. I had a whole row to myself. It was WEIRD.
 
2012-08-22 07:54:30 PM

beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.


Depends on where you're flying to/from. I've flown from Denver to Edmonton and vice-versa on one of those tiny planes and had an entire row to myself a couple times.
 
2012-08-22 07:55:18 PM
If you can't afford to do something, don't do it. The boyfriend and I wanted to get up to NYC a couple of months ago to see some of his family, but we didn't have the money. So we stayed home. That's what responsible people do, and we don't even have any kids. It's just us. So that's extra irresponsible to drag your kids around, forcing them to sleep in an airport for a week.
 
2012-08-22 09:04:56 PM
The airline industry has sophisticated software designed to ensure no extra empty seats. Ever.

You think you can outsmart airline software, mom and dad? Really?
 
2012-08-22 09:14:01 PM

doglover: I like how the article assumes we all know what a buddy pass is or give a rat's ass about the family's shower status.


I believe a blog named "NYC Aviation" can make some assumptions about it's own readership.
 
2012-08-22 09:51:00 PM

Coco LaFemme: If you can't afford to do something, don't do it. The boyfriend and I wanted to get up to NYC a couple of months ago to see some of his family, but we didn't have the money. So we stayed home. That's what responsible people do, and we don't even have any kids. It's just us. So that's extra irresponsible to drag your kids around, forcing them to sleep in an airport for a week.


Thanks for the life tip there, I'm sure they aspire to be as great as you someday.
 
2012-08-22 10:05:44 PM

haemaker: doglover: I like how the article assumes we all know what a buddy pass is or give a rat's ass about the family's shower status.

I believe a blog named "NYC Aviation" can make some assumptions about it's own readership.


This is the internet. The only thing you can assume safely is Rule 34.
 
2012-08-22 10:12:02 PM

Barfmaker: Coco LaFemme: If you can't afford to do something, don't do it. The boyfriend and I wanted to get up to NYC a couple of months ago to see some of his family, but we didn't have the money. So we stayed home. That's what responsible people do, and we don't even have any kids. It's just us. So that's extra irresponsible to drag your kids around, forcing them to sleep in an airport for a week.

Thanks for the life tip there, I'm sure they aspire to be as great as you someday.


To have a modicum of common sense and fiscal responsibility??


/you sound poor
 
2012-08-22 10:12:17 PM

doglover: haemaker: doglover: I like how the article assumes we all know what a buddy pass is or give a rat's ass about the family's shower status.

I believe a blog named "NYC Aviation" can make some assumptions about it's own readership.

This is the internet. The only thing you can assume safely is Rule 34.


And I for one am not farking my buddy pass.
 
2012-08-22 10:12:34 PM
I find the blog sums things up well. You guys realize that sympathy isn't an all or nothing type of deal, right?
 
2012-08-22 10:14:04 PM

joshiz: Oh and you are not supposed to use buddy passes for families - they really are for adults just because they do not guarantee you a seat.

I'm sure in the week that that family was in the airport there were flights with 1 or 2 or 3 seats open but that wasn't enough - they needed 4 seats.

Also, there is a dress code with buddy passes - no shorts or flip flops and they imply that you should wear a collared shirt.


Mom and the youngest kid go home on the first two available seats, Dad and the boy wait for the next two. Of course there may not have even been twosies available. Idjits anyway.
 
2012-08-22 10:14:17 PM

Coco LaFemme: So that's extra irresponsible to drag your kids around, forcing them to sleep in an airport for a week.


Cuz "you will sleep in an airport for a week" was stamped on their tickets in REAL BIG LETTERS.
 
2012-08-22 10:14:44 PM
Hell for the price of feeding a family of four in the airport for a week you could rent a car and drive it from Utah to Virginia.
 
2012-08-22 10:14:48 PM
Even money they could have go home in shifts. Mom & son on flight one, dad & daughter on flight two within twenty-four hours. Heck, even the 13yr old could have flown as an unaccompanied minor.
 
2012-08-22 10:15:59 PM
I expect to see a Consumerist article any day now.
 
2012-08-22 10:16:02 PM
As a person that just got bumped from a flight and will be spending the night in Dulles International, i find this amusing.

If i only did what i could afford and was responsible, i would have swallowed a bullet long ago.
 
2012-08-22 10:18:07 PM

eggrolls: Even money they could have go home in shifts. Mom & son on flight one, dad & daughter on flight two within twenty-four hours. Heck, even the 13yr old could have flown as an unaccompanied minor.


With a week of sleeping on airport floors and lack of food and nothing better to do I would guess they kinda investigated all possible strategies for getting home.
 
2012-08-22 10:18:25 PM

jaytkay: Coco LaFemme: So that's extra irresponsible to drag your kids around, forcing them to sleep in an airport for a week.

Cuz "you will sleep in an airport for a week" was stamped on their tickets in REAL BIG LETTERS.


I'M AN AMERICAN!! ITS MY RIGHT TO MAKE STUPID FINANCIAL DECISIONS THAT COME BACK TO BITE ME IN THE ASS!!
 
2012-08-22 10:18:40 PM
That's why we flew business class on our last trip.
 
2012-08-22 10:21:01 PM
FTA: I do feel for the Saxtons.

Thanks, you can cover it for me then.
 
2012-08-22 10:21:25 PM

jaytkay: eggrolls: Even money they could have go home in shifts. Mom & son on flight one, dad & daughter on flight two within twenty-four hours. Heck, even the 13yr old could have flown as an unaccompanied minor.

With a week of sleeping on airport floors and lack of food and nothing better to do I would guess they kinda investigated all possible strategies for getting home.


I think you are over estimating their intelligence.
 
2012-08-22 10:21:27 PM

Molavian: That's why we flew business class on our last trip.


You flew business class on your last trip because this family got stuck at the airport for a week until they were rescued by another airline? That doesn't make any sense.
 
2012-08-22 10:22:32 PM

SpikeStrip: [i780.photobucket.com image 591x376]


yeesh.


We can't afford tickets but my kid is wearing my 300 dollar sun glasses.

POS father, right there!
 
2012-08-22 10:24:32 PM

MrHappyRotter: Molavian: That's why we flew business class on our last trip.

You flew business class on your last trip because this family got stuck at the airport for a week until they were rescued by another airline? That doesn't make any sense.


It does if you don't think about it.
 
2012-08-22 10:25:38 PM
I think I saw this episode of "Yes, Dear".
 
2012-08-22 10:26:18 PM

doglover: I like how the article assumes we all know what a buddy pass is or give a rat's ass about the family's shower status.


If I'd been flying United you know damn well who they'd be sitting next to.

Oh and I didn't read the whole thing but - are they getting home the same way? Camping @ gate 3?
 
2012-08-22 10:28:10 PM
I bet they smelled horrible and made the plane stinky for everyone else
 
2012-08-22 10:29:07 PM

Too_many_Brians: As a person that just got bumped from a flight and will be spending the night in Dulles International, i find this amusing.

If i only did what i could afford and was responsible, i would have swallowed a bullet long ago.


Pro-tip: Bullets don't work if you swallow them.
 
2012-08-22 10:29:18 PM

doglover: I like how the article assumes we all know what a buddy pass is or give a rat's ass about the family's shower status.


I'm guessing the people who finally ended up sitting next to them on their flight home cared about their shower status.
 
2012-08-22 10:30:20 PM

Linkster: SpikeStrip: [i780.photobucket.com image 591x376]


yeesh.

We can't afford tickets but my kid is wearing my 300 dollar sun glasses.

POS father, right there!


There's a good chance he bought those at a flea market for 10 bucks.
 
2012-08-22 10:32:09 PM
As long as this family is adequately chastised and marginalized for being poor and taking their friend up on an opportunity to do something they never would have been able to afford otherwise, I can fall asleep happy and dream peacefully tonight.
 
2012-08-22 10:33:34 PM

beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.


In July I flew on a plane that was only 1/3 full. Had an entire section to myself. On the second connector flight, I had my own row. They were midday flights too.

Just depends on where you're flying to, I guess.
 
2012-08-22 10:33:52 PM
I remember using a Buddy Pass on TWA from San Francisco to NYC about 25 years ago. 1 of us got on the first flight out and the other 2 had to wait all day. They finally let us get on the red eye but we were absolutely last, when we got down the jetway there was only one seat in coach where there should have been two. The flight attendant was about to make us get off when she got distracted by something, twice. Then a voice came over the intercom in a fairly stern tone, "are we ready to go yet?" The flight attendant kind of sighed and said to just take any 2 seats in there and pointed into business class. That was a righteous overnight trip.
 
2012-08-22 10:35:32 PM

MrHappyRotter: As long as this family is adequately chastised and marginalized for being poor and taking their friend up on an opportunity to do something they never would have been able to afford otherwise, I can fall asleep happy and dream peacefully tonight.


Who goes on a trip without even like an emergency $100 for a night in a hotel room?? Do these people exist??
 
2012-08-22 10:36:00 PM

jaytkay: eggrolls: Even money they could have go home in shifts. Mom & son on flight one, dad & daughter on flight two within twenty-four hours. Heck, even the 13yr old could have flown as an unaccompanied minor.

With a week of sleeping on airport floors and lack of food and nothing better to do I would guess they kinda investigated all possible strategies for getting home.


Why can't you just accept that this family is poor and dim? You've made this same mistake, haven't you?
 
2012-08-22 10:36:08 PM
I dont know why they didnt fly home in shifts. And I dont know when the last time I flew domestic that had empty seats.
 
2012-08-22 10:38:00 PM

doglover: I like how the article assumes we all know what a buddy pass is


"Buddy passes are vouchers that airline employees can share with family and friends, allowing them to fly for next to nothing.

Flying for almost free comes at the cost of convenience. Buddy pass users are not just flying standby, but they're at the very bottom of the standby list. After all the regular passengers board, and then all the higher-priority standby passengers board, if there any seats left, only then are buddy pass passengers allowed onto the plane."


Did you read a different article?
 
2012-08-22 10:38:12 PM
No sympathy
. People that get sh*t for free are always the biggest demading whiners.
Look at US! We are a family and we are complete victims of a heartless non charitable organization.
 
2012-08-22 10:38:51 PM
Wait..

So some asshole down on his luck got himself AND his family into a bad situation ON PURPOSE.. We're supposed to care why?

I think the better question would be.. Why didn't they see this coming?

Even the 13 year old should have been smart enough to see this coming.
 
2012-08-22 10:39:06 PM

joshiz: Also, there is a dress code with buddy passes - no shorts or flip flops


Then how the hell am I supposed to get past security???
 
2012-08-22 10:40:43 PM

Candygram4Mongo: The airline industry has sophisticated software designed to ensure no extra empty seats. Ever.

You think you can outsmart airline software, mom and dad? Really?


That software exists? If so, it's doing a really shiatty job considering how many people have already posted that they have seen empty seats on planes. 

Clearly these parents and the person who gave them the passes have very little foresight, but it doesn't seem like outsmarting the airline software was the issue at hand.
 
2012-08-22 10:43:07 PM

icepriestess: Candygram4Mongo: The airline industry has sophisticated software designed to ensure no extra empty seats. Ever.

You think you can outsmart airline software, mom and dad? Really?

That software exists? If so, it's doing a really shiatty job considering how many people have already posted that they have seen empty seats on planes. 

Clearly these parents and the person who gave them the passes have very little foresight, but it doesn't seem like outsmarting the airline software was the issue at hand.


They were most likely trolling the airport and annoying other passengers that had planned ahead with their hard luck story. The airline that got them out just seized on media attention.
 
2012-08-22 10:43:12 PM

beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.


I was on a flight last year (pretty much this time last year)...not only were there empty seats, there might have been 15 people on the plane. This was an Airbus 319, I think. My seat was towards the back; I pretty much had the whole back section to myself, literally. The 5 rows around me were empty, except for me, of course.

/well, it was a flight from Toronto to Montreal
//before 7am
///was transferring planes; red eye flight from LAX
 
2012-08-22 10:44:52 PM

Neondistraction: Linkster: SpikeStrip: [i780.photobucket.com image 591x376]


yeesh.

We can't afford tickets but my kid is wearing my 300 dollar sun glasses.

POS father, right there!

There's a good chance he bought those at a flea market for 10 bucks.


Oakley's unpossible!
 
2012-08-22 10:45:13 PM

Coco LaFemme: If you can't afford to do something, don't do it. The boyfriend and I wanted to get up to NYC a couple of months ago to see some of his family, but we didn't have the money. So we stayed home. That's what responsible people do, and we don't even have any kids. It's just us. So that's extra irresponsible to drag your kids around, forcing them to sleep in an airport for a week.


But I need a new smart phone. To... uh... apply for jobs and stuff.
 
2012-08-22 10:45:36 PM
... the 4-year-old, had to be checked out by paramedics at one point

I'm sure child services will be very interested in this story.

/looking at the pic and they fact they're flying home to Virgina I'm not at all surprised at the stupidity they displayed.
 
2012-08-22 10:45:47 PM

VW_Factor: Wait..

So some asshole down on his luck got himself AND his family into a bad situation ON PURPOSE.. We're supposed to care why?

I think the better question would be.. Why didn't they see this coming?

Even the 13 year old should have been smart enough to see this coming.


I know, right?? Who plans ahead?? Nerds.
 
2012-08-22 10:45:53 PM

doglover: haemaker: doglover: I like how the article assumes we all know what a buddy pass is or give a rat's ass about the family's shower status.

I believe a blog named "NYC Aviation" can make some assumptions about it's own readership.

This is the internet. The only thing you can assume safely is Rule 34.


Rule 34 application:
Hubby pimps out wife for plane fare. ;-)
 
2012-08-22 10:46:30 PM

Selector: MrHappyRotter: As long as this family is adequately chastised and marginalized for being poor and taking their friend up on an opportunity to do something they never would have been able to afford otherwise, I can fall asleep happy and dream peacefully tonight.

Who goes on a trip without even like an emergency $100 for a night in a hotel room?? Do these people exist??


I know, right. I always make sure to have enough cash and gold bouillon with me at all times to cover my basic necessities and living expenses over a freakishly long and entirely unexpected duration of time.
 
2012-08-22 10:48:20 PM
images.starpulse.com
 
2012-08-22 10:48:47 PM

tenton: beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.

I was on a flight last year (pretty much this time last year)...not only were there empty seats, there might have been 15 people on the plane. This was an Airbus 319, I think. My seat was towards the back; I pretty much had the whole back section to myself, literally. The 5 rows around me were empty, except for me, of course.

/well, it was a flight from Toronto to Montreal
//before 7am
///was transferring planes; red eye flight from LAX


tenton: beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.

I was on a flight last year (pretty much this time last year)...not only were there empty seats, there might have been 15 people on the plane. This was an Airbus 319, I think. My seat was towards the back; I pretty much had the whole back section to myself, literally. The 5 rows around me were empty, except for me, of course.

/well, it was a flight from Toronto to Montreal
//before 7am
///was transferring planes; red eye flight from LAX


Well clearly people from Toronto don't want to go to Montreal, no surprise.
 
2012-08-22 10:49:19 PM
Hey, when I'm homeless and undocumented, I just live at the Airport!
 
2012-08-22 10:49:35 PM

MrHappyRotter: Selector: MrHappyRotter: As long as this family is adequately chastised and marginalized for being poor and taking their friend up on an opportunity to do something they never would have been able to afford otherwise, I can fall asleep happy and dream peacefully tonight.

Who goes on a trip without even like an emergency $100 for a night in a hotel room?? Do these people exist??

I know, right. I always make sure to have enough cash and gold bouillon with me at all times to cover my basic necessities and living expenses over a freakishly long and entirely unexpected duration of time.


Yeah, because who entertains the notion that things might not go exactly as planned and that you might have to have some alternative means of subsistence, especially when small children are involved??

/dumbass
 
2012-08-22 10:49:40 PM

VW_Factor: Wait..

So some asshole down on his luck got himself AND his family into a bad situation ON PURPOSE.. We're supposed to care why?

I think the better question would be.. Why didn't they see this coming?

Even the 13 year old should have been smart enough to see this coming.


I'm guessing, and this is just a guess, that they are not frequent (or even ever before) fliers who know the ins and outs of air travel.
 
2012-08-22 10:49:58 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: [images.starpulse.com image 445x289]


THIS!
 
2012-08-22 10:51:01 PM
I have a teeny tiny bit of sympathy, but that's it. Most of the scorn should be on the employee who gave them the passes.

I work for Delta and if I had given these folks buddy passes my ass would be out on the street. You ALWAYS drill the non-rev process into your pass riders heads so there is no question they understand that they are at the bottom of the pecking order. Everything goes before a buddy pass. There may be seats open but because we can send more cargo, those seats stay empty and your ass spends more time in Craplakistan. Hell, I just spent an extra day in Chicago due to full flights. I bet they bought them off of ebay or craigslist. I cannot imagine an employee not explaining this to the family.
 
2012-08-22 10:52:57 PM

joshiz: Oh and you are not supposed to use buddy passes for families - they really are for adults just because they do not guarantee you a seat.

I'm sure in the week that that family was in the airport there were flights with 1 or 2 or 3 seats open but that wasn't enough - they needed 4 seats.

Also, there is a dress code with buddy passes - no shorts or flip flops and they imply that you should wear a collared shirt.


There are no rules against children using buddy passes. Also, different airlines have different rules as far as dress codes. Only a few airlines have it and it's only for flying first class.

/20+ years of non-rev travel
 
2012-08-22 10:53:01 PM

Selector: MrHappyRotter: Selector: MrHappyRotter: As long as this family is adequately chastised and marginalized for being poor and taking their friend up on an opportunity to do something they never would have been able to afford otherwise, I can fall asleep happy and dream peacefully tonight.

Who goes on a trip without even like an emergency $100 for a night in a hotel room?? Do these people exist??

I know, right. I always make sure to have enough cash and gold bouillon with me at all times to cover my basic necessities and living expenses over a freakishly long and entirely unexpected duration of time.

Yeah, because who entertains the notion that things might not go exactly as planned and that you might have to have some alternative means of subsistence, especially when small children are involved??

/dumbass


You get points for the thoughtless me too circle jerk comments. And the slashie was a nice touch!
 
2012-08-22 10:53:52 PM

sweet-daddy-2: doglover: haemaker: doglover: I like how the article assumes we all know what a buddy pass is or give a rat's ass about the family's shower status.

I believe a blog named "NYC Aviation" can make some assumptions about it's own readership.

This is the internet. The only thing you can assume safely is Rule 34.

Rule 34 application:

 
2012-08-22 10:54:32 PM
d3-01.twitpicproxy.com
 
2012-08-22 10:56:06 PM
Wow, that is some pretty awful luck. One would have thought that in six days, there would have been at least one flight that could have taken care of the Saxtons. Obviously JetBlue did nothing wrong and we don't know if there was an opportunity for the mom and four year old to take a flight leaving the dad and 13 year old behind, so I won't make any judgments, but damn if that wasn't some terrible luck.
 
2012-08-22 10:59:02 PM
If you are broke, instead of flying across country, why not just take a trip to a city a few hours away?
 
2012-08-22 11:00:11 PM
I was watching a show the other night about traveling around the world for free, these people should have been more outgoing and stepped out of the airport instead of crying until a news crew was present.
 
2012-08-22 11:01:35 PM

Johnnyflash: I was watching a show the other night about traveling around the world for free, these people should have been more outgoing and stepped out of the airport instead of crying until a news crew was present.


That sounds pretty interesting. How was it accomplished??
 
2012-08-22 11:02:27 PM
Yeah, that employee is pretty hosed.
I despise giving out buddy passes for this reason and when asked I usually lie and say they're all gone, but I have my whole year's allotment. We are told we (the employees) are responsible for the actions of the buddy pass rider. If they get sloppy drunk and take a dump in the galley or raise hell with a gate agent we are on the hook. It really is not worth the headache.

/and I haven't seen a half empty airplane in a long time
 
2012-08-22 11:02:30 PM
Never vacation while broke.

One member of the band I'm in has worked for an airline for more than 15 years. He met his wife who works for the same airline at the same airport. Over the years (starting before the turn of the century) he and his wife have offered us buddy passes, and the band played an employee party in a hangar for buddy passes for each of us.

We've used them roundtrip to LA many times, San Diego twice, this year to Vegas. It is rare that we get on the first flight. We have never had to spend overnight awaiting a flight, but we always have the resources to spend the night away from the terminal. We try to be as friendly and patient as we can. We eat before we are hungry and use restrooms often, trying always to be ready to go and stay in a good mood. We bring magazines, books, music (headphones), and neat comfortable clothes. We find that the more we show the agents that we know how the passes work and they understand that we will wait calmly. Universally, the agents work hard to get us on a flight and act as disappointed as we are when the doors close without us.

But we make certain we have the ability to get where we want to go and return if we are going to miss our vacation window while flying standby. We use the buddy passes to save money ... but have the money to use if we need it.
 
2012-08-22 11:02:36 PM

beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.


I flew from Palm Springs back to Seattle a few years back with a quick stop in San Fran. The leg from PS to SF was almost COMPLETELY empty. It was one of the oddest feelings I've ever had on a plane.

Too bad the flight from SF to Seattle was a complete shiatshow. The couple that ended up sitting in my row biatched when they got on the plane, irritated that someone else (who was there before them) happened to be sitting in their row. I told them that if they really had a problem with sitting with other people that they should've bought first class tickets and the woman got super huffy with me.
 
2012-08-22 11:05:09 PM
MrHappyRotter:
As long as this family is adequately chastised and marginalized for being poor and taking their friend up on an opportunity to do something they never would have been able to afford otherwise, I can fall asleep happy and dream peacefully tonight.

MERICAAAAAAAA!

www.foszor.com
 
2012-08-22 11:06:12 PM

Selector: Who goes on a trip without even like an emergency $100 for a night in a hotel room?? Do these people exist??


Pro tip: $100 does not cover a week in a hotel and meals for four.

/ Seriously, you can look it up
 
2012-08-22 11:08:04 PM

jaytkay: Selector: Who goes on a trip without even like an emergency $100 for a night in a hotel room?? Do these people exist??

Pro tip: $100 does not cover a week in a hotel and meals for four.

/ Seriously, you can look it up


I knew some moron would say this, forgetting the fact that the family left for vacation WITH NO RESOURCES WHATSOEVER, be it $100 or $5000.
 
2012-08-22 11:09:35 PM

joshiz: I fly a lot but have a friend who works as a flight attendant. She sometimes has extra buddy passes left over so I have taken a couple trips with them.

You are absolutely on the bottom of the list EVEN IF you have status with that airline - that doesn't matter. At least on the airline my friend works for she can at least put you on a list for a particular flight in advance (although you can still get bumped) and check the status of flights to see how busy they are. Usually the earliest flights have a few seats left but as the day goes on, your chances get slimmer and slimmer.

But in August? With no money. No way.


Son ,, Is that you?
 
2012-08-22 11:09:42 PM
It's this kind of dimwitted brainless shiatfark that is in front of me in line at the grocery store arguing with the cashier that he can use food stamps to buy two cases of Natty Light. His half-dozen unwashed crotchfruit running amok in the store free range... While his Escalade sitting on 22's pulling a trailer full of jet-skis all bought on credit he'll never pay off is double-parked out front.
 
2012-08-22 11:10:45 PM

ScotterOtter: There are no rules against children using buddy passes. Also, different airlines have different rules as far as dress codes. Only a few airlines have it and it's only for flying first class.


I didn't say there were rules against using buddy passes for children - I said it wasn't advised for families because you need multiple seats.

The dress code I am referring to is a specific dress code for buddy passes. At least on the airline I am using them, you need to accept the terms and conditions when you redeem your pass and the dress code is part of those. This was also told to me by the airline employee who gave me the buddy passes. On that airline (which is one of the big 3) there technically is no dress code for first class yet there is for buddy passes.
 
2012-08-22 11:11:30 PM
I don't remember if all this stuff is supposed to be secret... but, it's the internet, it's anonymous, right?

my dad was a pilot for an airline... I've flown non-revenue stand-by my whole life. you just learn to deal with things like the uncertainty of existence.

people say, when are you coming in? I say... I'll let you know if... then when, I'm coming in.

honestly, you check the flight status religiously, and don't even attempt any flights that involve full or overbooked flights... unless you particularly like sleeping in airports. or, you talk to the gate people, and say, where else could i fly to get somewhere close... or, are there alternative, more longwinded routes?

sometimes i get first class, sometimes i don't get on the flight. the suspense makes it all a little more exciting... when it works. otherwise, it's like losing a chess match with someone better than you... you just suck it up and learn your lesson and swear to yourself, never again... i'm going to pay for a ticket for the rest of my life... but you never do, that roulette game just keeps calling you back.

/ these people, stuck for almost a week, made same errors. it was clear from the article that they didn't know the game. first of all, start sending people individually. they needed four seats and had kids. ok, send two at a time. fark, send one at a time. send mom first, then a kid, so mom can pick it up, and so on. there's no way in 6 days they couldn't have gotten out if they tried. even some overbooked flights have seats become available.
// second, try an alternate route. if it's full going where you want to go, go somewhere else, find another in. they should have talked to the gate agent. these people actually know a lot about air travel. be nice to them and they will help you out. my wife, a complete novice in this form of travel, was able to navigate around the country in order to get to a family wedding in prime travel season, just be talking to gate agents and saying, my husband normally does this stuff, and I have no idea what to do. I watched her itinerary unfold online and thought, wtf, when did she become a wizard? that's what I would have told her to do. so, for a while, i thought we had a psychic bond... until she told me it was all the gate agent.
 
2012-08-22 11:13:02 PM
Selector: Johnnyflash: I was watching a show the other night about traveling around the world for free, these people should have been more outgoing and stepped out of the airport instead of crying until a news crew was present.

That sounds pretty interesting. How was it accomplished??


By being social with empathetic strangers. Well, beg and hope you're not killed.
 
2012-08-22 11:16:14 PM
Man, that must suck. Being stuck in the Salt Lake City airport for almost a week.

Taking a vacation in August with only buddy passes and not enough money to buy tickets, just incase you might need to get home faster than there will be an opening, that's just retarded. Only being able to eat one meal a day and stuck in the middle of of a city dominated by Mormoms is a punishment that clearly fits the crime.
 
2012-08-22 11:18:25 PM
Ok, wait, they had a 13yo kid and a 4yo kid. If I was them, I would have said, Mom takes the 4yo and goes back asap, with Dad and the 13yo up next. Why would they have to wait for four seats?? Finding two seats would still be tough, but I don't get why they couldn't have split up the seats.

If I'm able timewise, I always offer to be bumped to another flight and get travel vouchers if I can. One time in Boston, I got bumped, got a free R/T flight anywhere in the U.S. and was put up in hotel with $40 in meal vouchers. Granted I only had my carry on bag, but I got a good night's sleep.
 
2012-08-22 11:18:59 PM
Here is the buddy pass dress code for the airline I was talking about:

NRSA Dress Code...

All travelers are expected to dress in accordance with the standards of good taste including being 'neat,' 'clean,' and 'well groomed.' The following attire is unacceptable in any class of service.

- t-shirts
- workout attire
- sweat clothing
- bare midriff
- micro/mini skirts
- sheer/see through clothing
- tank tops
- beach clothing
- beach footwear
- cut-off clothing
- clothing with offensive terminology/graphics
- bare feet
- bathing suits
- halter or bra tops
- sleeveless muscle t-shirts
- leggings
- sweatshirts
- flip-flops
- clothing with holes/ragged edges
- provacative/revealing clothing

In addition to the items listed above, the following is unacceptable attire in First Class and Business Class:

- jeans or denim clothes of any color
- athletic or tennis shoes
- hiking/military style boots
- shorts
- baseball caps
- skin-tight or form fitting pants without mid-thigh length top

Customer service judgement will prevail in matters pertaining to dress code.

So I guess you technically can wear shorts in Economy on a buddy pass but there still is a dress code. This is a few years old so they now allow jeans in FC.
 
2012-08-22 11:21:48 PM

PsychoLaurie: Ok, wait, they had a 13yo kid and a 4yo kid. If I was them, I would have said, Mom takes the 4yo and goes back asap, with Dad and the 13yo up next. Why would they have to wait for four seats?? Finding two seats would still be tough, but I don't get why they couldn't have split up the seats.

If I'm able timewise, I always offer to be bumped to another flight and get travel vouchers if I can. One time in Boston, I got bumped, got a free R/T flight anywhere in the U.S. and was put up in hotel with $40 in meal vouchers. Granted I only had my carry on bag, but I got a good night's sleep.


you don't get travel vouchers when you travel at a discount... travel vouchers are for paying customers. plus, they won't vouch someone else to fight a freeloader on.

/ these people should have been better informed about the perils of non-revenue travel.
 
2012-08-22 11:22:19 PM
What surprises me is that what happened in the article must be quite common. I mean, there appears to be at least a couple people in the this thread alone that have had the same experience.
 
2012-08-22 11:23:30 PM

pute kisses like a man: // second, try an alternate route. if it's full going where you want to go, go somewhere else, find another in. they should have talked to the gate agent. these people actually know a lot about air travel. be nice to them and they will help you out. my wife, a complete novice in this form of travel, was able to navigate around the country in order to get to a family wedding in prime travel season, just be talking to gate agents and say ...


They were flying B6 out of SLC. The options are LGB or JFK. That's it. I assume there initial routing was JFK connecting to IAD, so that leaves SLC-LGB-IAD as the only other option. B6 is good on the east coast and the Caribbean, but pretty thin out west. Other than their LGB hub, most stations only have a few flights a day. SLC-JFK is a once per day flight. SLC-LGB is only three times per day. Not much options when going non-rev.
 
2012-08-22 11:24:00 PM

icepriestess: beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.

In July I flew on a plane that was only 1/3 full. Had an entire section to myself. On the second connector flight, I had my own row. They were midday flights too.

Just depends on where you're flying to, I guess.


I once had a flight where it was me, another guy, and three flight attendants. It was a deadhead, but man was that ever weird.
 
2012-08-22 11:24:14 PM

Selector: I knew some moron would say this, forgetting the fact that the family left for vacation WITH NO RESOURCES WHATSOEVER, be it $100 or $5000.


They left for vacation without the $6000 necessary to buy four "fly me today!" replacement tickets when they already had tickets home!!

This will be highly amusing to you and your friends at your next dressage meet-up.
 
2012-08-22 11:27:01 PM
FTFA:
"The Saxton family was stranded at Salt Lake City International Airport for six days.
According to the local ABC affiliate, the Saxons got there last Wednesday night and didn't leave until Tuesday. Weather was great. Flights were going in and out on schedule. But the Saxtons ..."


Are we sure that they just didn't have the wrong name on their boarding passes?
 
2012-08-22 11:28:24 PM

Shazam999: icepriestess: beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.

In July I flew on a plane that was only 1/3 full. Had an entire section to myself. On the second connector flight, I had my own row. They were midday flights too.

Just depends on where you're flying to, I guess.

I once had a flight where it was me, another guy, and three flight attendants. It was a deadhead, but man was that ever weird.


Back in the 90s, I was waiting for a puddle jumper flight at a gate that handled a bunch of puddle jumper flights leaving at the same time. All the other flights boarded, and I was the only one left. The gate agent came over to me and said "Mr. clear_prop, are you ready for your flight?" I was the only passenger on the 19 passenger plane.
 
2012-08-22 11:28:46 PM
TFA says United gave this family free rides, but the original story at ABC 4 says viewers bought tickets for the family.

My faith in United's inhumanity is restored. Whew!
 
2012-08-22 11:28:51 PM

Shazam999: icepriestess: beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.

In July I flew on a plane that was only 1/3 full. Had an entire section to myself. On the second connector flight, I had my own row. They were midday flights too.

Just depends on where you're flying to, I guess.

I once had a flight where it was me, another guy, and three flight attendants. It was a deadhead, but man was that ever weird.


Did your letter to the Penthouse Forum also use the word weird?
 
2012-08-22 11:29:11 PM

jaytkay: Selector: I knew some moron would say this, forgetting the fact that the family left for vacation WITH NO RESOURCES WHATSOEVER, be it $100 or $5000.

They left for vacation without the $6000 necessary to buy four "fly me today!" replacement tickets when they already had tickets home!!

This will be highly amusing to you and your friends at your next dressage meet-up.


It's not like they went broke because they were in a predicament, which at least would have been worthy of sympathy. They were in a predicament BECAUSE they were broke, displaying a staggering lack of planning. Are you really so dense that you can't differentiate between the two??
 
2012-08-22 11:29:26 PM
I had a somewhat similar but not really the same situation when I was broke in college. My parents bought me a ticket to come home to see them, and I only had like $15 on me. They were going to hook me up with some more money once I got there. The shuttle I took to the airport had a mechanical problem, and I arrived late for my flight. The airport of course didnt care, and wanted a $50 fee to catch the next plane. fark. Didnt even have enough cash on me to ride back to campus.

Then i saw they take checks... so I just wrote a bad check, caught the flight, and deposited money before it bounced. Was still a scary moment that taught me an insanely valuable life lesson.
 
2012-08-22 11:30:12 PM

beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.


I just had an entire row to myself on an overnight flight from Phoenix to Atlanta. There were at least 3 other people that had the same perk.
 
2012-08-22 11:30:13 PM

MrHappyRotter: Selector: MrHappyRotter: As long as this family is adequately chastised and marginalized for being poor and taking their friend up on an opportunity to do something they never would have been able to afford otherwise, I can fall asleep happy and dream peacefully tonight.

Who goes on a trip without even like an emergency $100 for a night in a hotel room?? Do these people exist??

I know, right. I always make sure to have enough cash and gold bouillon with me at all times to cover my basic necessities and living expenses over a freakishly long and entirely unexpected duration of time.



static.caloriecount.about.com

Chicken-flavored?
 
2012-08-22 11:30:52 PM

BarkingUnicorn: TFA says United gave this family free rides, but the original story at ABC 4 says viewers bought tickets for the family.

My faith in United's inhumanity is restored. Whew!


Oh, damn, there it goes again! United donated a motel room for one night.
 
2012-08-22 11:32:44 PM

joshiz: Here is the buddy pass dress code for the airline I was talking about:

NRSA Dress Code...

All travelers are expected to dress in accordance with the standards of good taste including being 'neat,' 'clean,' and 'well groomed.' The following attire is unacceptable in any class of service.

- t-shirts
- workout attire
- sweat clothing
- bare midriff
- micro/mini skirts
- sheer/see through clothing
- tank tops
- beach clothing
- beach footwear
- cut-off clothing
- clothing with offensive terminology/graphics
- bare feet
- bathing suits
- halter or bra tops
- sleeveless muscle t-shirts
- leggings
- sweatshirts
- flip-flops
- clothing with holes/ragged edges
- provacative/revealing clothing

In addition to the items listed above, the following is unacceptable attire in First Class and Business Class:

- jeans or denim clothes of any color
- athletic or tennis shoes
- hiking/military style boots
- shorts
- baseball caps
- skin-tight or form fitting pants without mid-thigh length top

Customer service judgement will prevail in matters pertaining to dress code.

So I guess you technically can wear shorts in Economy on a buddy pass but there still is a dress code. This is a few years old so they now allow jeans in FC.


Ermm, I wear t-shirt and shorts in first class and business class all the time. Also baseball hats and boots. I dress for comfort while traveling, especially overseas. Christ, I have to fly to Australia next month and I'm dreading it.
 
2012-08-22 11:34:55 PM
I agree we can chastise the parents, but I feel like its absolute bullspit the kids have to suffer for mom and dad's idiocy.

I would have bought those kids a ticket to their grandparents' residence.
 
2012-08-22 11:37:02 PM

Molavian: Ermm, I wear t-shirt and shorts in first class and business class all the time. Also baseball hats and boots. I dress for comfort while traveling, especially overseas. Christ, I have to fly to Australia next month and I'm dreading it.


The dress code is for non-rev. Paying passengers can wear whatever the fark they want, as long as the t-shirt doesn't say fark on it.
 
2012-08-22 11:41:43 PM

Selector: It's not like they went broke because they were in a predicament, which at least would have been worthy of sympathy. They were in a predicament BECAUSE they were broke, displaying a staggering lack of planning. Are you really so dense that you can't differentiate between the two??


We get it. Mommy and Daddy gave you a big allowance, you never had to live on a shoestring budget.

You might even work for a living, thanks to the graduate education Mums and Poppa funded.

Maybe you barely ever dip into your trust fund.

But most people have times when finances are real tight.
 
2012-08-22 11:42:42 PM

Alonjar: I had a somewhat similar but not really the same situation when I was broke in college. My parents bought me a ticket to come home to see them, and I only had like $15 on me. They were going to hook me up with some more money once I got there. The shuttle I took to the airport had a mechanical problem, and I arrived late for my flight. The airport of course didnt care, and wanted a $50 fee to catch the next plane. fark. Didnt even have enough cash on me to ride back to campus.

Then i saw they take checks... so I just wrote a bad check, caught the flight, and deposited money before it bounced. Was still a scary moment that taught me an insanely valuable life lesson.


So it looks that you learned to commit fraud in order to get out of a bad situation. Truly learning the american way.
 
2012-08-22 11:46:10 PM
img27.imageshack.us

lol at the ad placement. Given the article....

"Hmmm... cheapo flights.... this just sounds like a bad idea....:
 
2012-08-22 11:48:16 PM

clear_prop: They were flying B6 out of SLC.


B6 is a decent airline for what it is but you're 125% farked when it comes to irrops.

I had the pleasure and misfortune of flying them for a business trip paid for by a client. Had to fly home WN from an airport 50 miles away - then drive home only to get back at 5 AM.

They have no interline agreements and their response is, "Sorry, you're really farked. Would you like a refund?"

Once bitten - I'll pay the few bucks extra for a major who will interline me when the shiat hits the fan. It doesn't help I've been spoiled by having status and/or am booked in F/C most of the times I fly.
 
2012-08-22 11:48:46 PM

jaytkay: Selector: It's not like they went broke because they were in a predicament, which at least would have been worthy of sympathy. They were in a predicament BECAUSE they were broke, displaying a staggering lack of planning. Are you really so dense that you can't differentiate between the two??

We get it. Mommy and Daddy gave you a big allowance, you never had to live on a shoestring budget.

You might even work for a living, thanks to the graduate education Mums and Poppa funded.

Maybe you barely ever dip into your trust fund.

But most people have times when finances are real tight.


Oh, I forgot we glorify poor people now because they're poor, even when they do something stupid. Why, they don't know any better, they're poor!! That guy's being mean to the poor folks!! He must be rich!!

Your reasoning is farking retarded and I've seen five year olds with better cause-effect skills. You can go on ruining humanity by excusing the stupid decisions of people in stupid situations that they put themselves in, but I intend to ridicule them endlessly. You can have the last word now.
 
2012-08-22 11:51:13 PM

icepriestess: beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.

In July I flew on a plane that was only 1/3 full. Had an entire section to myself. On the second connector flight, I had my own row. They were midday flights too.

Just depends on where you're flying to, I guess.


Flight schedules and volume must be really odd, I have been on the same flights on different weeks sometimes they are nearly empty and other times they are bumping. I flew into Louisville week before the Kentucky Derby and it was half full, another random week and it is full. The big trends I see are Monday AM flights are heavy business, mid-week flights are full of families, semi-holidays like presidents day and Halloween tend to be lightest. But throw in a random storm and chaos rains.
 
2012-08-22 11:59:40 PM

clear_prop: pute kisses like a man: // second, try an alternate route. if it's full going where you want to go, go somewhere else, find another in. they should have talked to the gate agent. these people actually know a lot about air travel. be nice to them and they will help you out. my wife, a complete novice in this form of travel, was able to navigate around the country in order to get to a family wedding in prime travel season, just be talking to gate agents and say ...

They were flying B6 out of SLC. The options are LGB or JFK. That's it. I assume there initial routing was JFK connecting to IAD, so that leaves SLC-LGB-IAD as the only other option. B6 is good on the east coast and the Caribbean, but pretty thin out west. Other than their LGB hub, most stations only have a few flights a day. SLC-JFK is a once per day flight. SLC-LGB is only three times per day. Not much options when going non-rev.


ah... I should have put more thought into it... I'm only familiar with air travel on aa. of course a smaller airline is going to present less options.
 
2012-08-23 12:05:28 AM
Meh, flew standby to France this summer. Spent 2 days at SLC, made it to JFK, spent 3 days there, finally got on to BRU.
Got 1st class for the four of us coming back from Paris (after 3 days of trying).
Nothing beats 1st class CDG to SLC.
/ended up costing us 1/3 the price of buying a seat
//and got to take the kids around NY
///sucks all the same
 
2012-08-23 12:10:32 AM

Selector: Oh, I forgot we glorify poor people now because they're poor


lol spoiled child, lol

"I EARNED the money money mommy and daddy gave ME!! I EARNED that!!!!"
 
2012-08-23 12:11:34 AM

Rufus Lee King: Too_many_Brians: So it looks that you learned to commit fraud in order to get out of a bad situation. Truly learning the american way.

Jesus Christ. What rock did you crawl out from under?


What? I wasn't judging, just pointing ou that check kiting is a crime but you got away with. So you learned how to get ahead in america. Congrats.
 
2012-08-23 12:15:08 AM
While reading this story my mind did jump to how much work they'd be missing because I'd be way behind if that happened to me. Then I remembered these were a bunch of yahoos who probably wouldn't be missed.
 
2012-08-23 12:16:13 AM

rhiannon: Shazam999: icepriestess: beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.

In July I flew on a plane that was only 1/3 full. Had an entire section to myself. On the second connector flight, I had my own row. They were midday flights too.

Just depends on where you're flying to, I guess.

I once had a flight where it was me, another guy, and three flight attendants. It was a deadhead, but man was that ever weird.

Did your letter to the Penthouse Forum also use the word weird?


No, those usually have the word "sticky" in them a lot.
 
2012-08-23 12:18:49 AM

jaytkay: You might even work for a living, thanks to the graduate education Mums and Poppa funded.


You know, just because someone went to college doesn't mean their parents paid for it. See, there is this thing called loans, perhaps you should look into it if you want to better yourself but can't afford it currently.
 
2012-08-23 12:19:49 AM
For all of the people here calling out the stupidity of this family, I have seen people do this successfully many times. Their biggest mistake, in my mind, is not being willing to separate. They're traveling to the same destination, which at this point is home, they should have had one adult and the kids take the first flight with three open seats ... or one adult and one kid take the first with two open seats and the second set take the second flight with two open.

I've never heard of buddy passes before, but I've known people who were able to travel under similar circumstances. It can be a great way to do things you would never be able to afford otherwise. But you have to be pretty flexible with your plans just in case. 

Traveling with no money can be a problem, that's how I ended up spending my wedding night (first marriage) hanging out in the train station in Hamburg. But I've done it many times. I've always made it through, maybe a little worse for wear, but with some fond memories and occasionally a decent story or two. Granted, I've never done it with children.
 
2012-08-23 12:26:26 AM

Lt_Ryan: But throw in a random storm and chaos rains.


I was expecting "reigns", but it works surprisingly well this way.
 
2012-08-23 12:27:02 AM
Earlier this summer I flew SF-LA-Vegas & return all on standby and all in first class! It can be done, if you know what you're doing:

1. travel alone
2. carry-on only
3. dress like you're on business
4. pick routes that have high capacity, like 5-10x per day
5. be nice to the agents, and accept *any* routing they offer you
6. be prepared to buy your way out of trouble

My best tip can be a little hard to pull off, but if you can manage it you're pretty much golden: status on the airline you're flying on won't help you, but if you have status with one of their alliance partners (oneworld, star alliance, or [god forbid] sky team) use that to get into their lounge. The agents in there are *super* helpful, are generally empowered to move mountains for you when necessary, and can be much more accessible than their colleagues at the gate. Especially so when its all gone pear-shaped and there are 200 angry revenue passengers between you and the gate agent.
 
2012-08-23 12:34:59 AM

Transubstantive: You know, just because someone went to college doesn't mean their parents paid for it.


True, but people who sneer at the poor are not often acquainted with the circumstances of normal people.
 
2012-08-23 12:37:01 AM

MrHappyRotter: As long as this family is adequately chastised and marginalized for being poor and taking their friend up on an opportunity to do something they never would have been able to afford otherwise, I can fall asleep happy and dream peacefully tonight.


Indeed, if only these commoners would know their place.
 
2012-08-23 12:41:43 AM

Mr_Juche: I have a teeny tiny bit of sympathy, but that's it. Most of the scorn should be on the employee who gave them the passes.

I work for Delta and if I had given these folks buddy passes my ass would be out on the street. You ALWAYS drill the non-rev process into your pass riders heads so there is no question they understand that they are at the bottom of the pecking order. Everything goes before a buddy pass. There may be seats open but because we can send more cargo, those seats stay empty and your ass spends more time in Craplakistan. Hell, I just spent an extra day in Chicago due to full flights. I bet they bought them off of ebay or craigslist. I cannot imagine an employee not explaining this to the family.


Ditto. I have either been employed or had a family member working at an airline for 25 years. YOU DON'T SCREW UP PASS RIDING!! I've sat in Orlando all weekend trying to get home. But I always made sure I had a couple of extra days off, just in case. If you miss your shift because "I'm stuck in new orleans because I wanted to see Mardi gras". Well you loose your flight bennifits for six months, or get fired, and called a dummy for flying during holiday, busy time, weekend, super bowl, spring break, snow storm...what ever.

If someone sold there passes they will be fired shortly.

I'm sure this brain trust is on every guv-ment program they have.
 
2012-08-23 12:45:42 AM

jaytkay: Selector: Who goes on a trip without even like an emergency $100 for a night in a hotel room?? Do these people exist??

Pro tip: $100 does not cover a week in a hotel and meals for four.

/ Seriously, you can look it up


No, but you always have some cash stuffed away when on vacation. It's what responsable people do.
 
2012-08-23 12:46:37 AM
A manager at my last job had to fly all the way to India and back to get his wife. She flew over there when her parents came for a visit in the US and she returned with them. But to get back to the US, she wasn't willing to fly alone. So her husband had to fly all the way around the world, sleep for a couple of hours and fly all the way back because she was too intimidated to fly alone. In high school I had a friend whose mom wouldn't drive anywhere further than the grocery store. She was too freaked out by the complexity of the world. I'm going to guess that the family in the story isn't full of Ph.D. degree holders. Mom may have simply been too, well, simple, to deal with flying home with a child but without her husband. Or heck, maybe the other way around and hubby couldn't be trusted to behave on his own. Or it may have never even occurred to them to split up.
 
2012-08-23 01:00:05 AM
Something tells me this family buys a lot of lottery tickets.
 
2012-08-23 01:01:22 AM

fstop: No, but you always have some cash stuffed away when on vacation. It's what responsable people do.


How much is enough to meet your approval? They had enough to live in an airport for a week.
 
2012-08-23 01:11:10 AM

Philbb: For all of the people here calling out the stupidity of this family, I have seen people do this successfully many times. Their biggest mistake, in my mind, is not being willing to separate. They're traveling to the same destination, which at this point is home, they should have had one adult and the kids take the first flight with three open seats ... or one adult and one kid take the first with two open seats and the second set take the second flight with two open.


And then these weasels are like, "Dude, can I take your aisle seat up front? My kid has a middle seat way in the back, and we don't want to be like, separated, so you better go back there or we're going to pitch a biatch about you."

farkING PEOPLE. I BOOK MY shiatTY TICKET IN THE CATTLE CAR FOR BIZ TRAVEL AT MOST A MONTH BEFORE MY farkING FLIGHT, AND YOUR SORRY ASSES CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO BOOK SEATS LIKE HUMAN BEINGS & GET YOUR SEATS TOGETHER? fark YOU.

/I love business travel
 
2012-08-23 01:22:43 AM
How can every plane be packed out solid for a farking week?
 
2012-08-23 01:24:38 AM

jaytkay:
But most people have times when finances are real tight.


Yeah, and most of us have the sense not to go on a faraway vacation with our kids when that's the situation. Seriously, fark me if I ever put my kids through something like this. A week of eating only one meal a day? I would be ashamed of myself; I sure wouldn't be broadcasting my stupid to the media.
 
2012-08-23 01:30:59 AM
Last winter I flew SW and volunteered to give my seat up on an overbooked flight in exchange for a $640 voucher good for future ticket purchases. Very generous of them! Now I'm getting ready to fly out to visit family in the Midwest for free.

/except for the rental car, parking & what-not
//csb
 
2012-08-23 01:31:31 AM

7FARK7: How can every plane be packed out solid for a farking week?


Assuming they weren't smart enough to try and re-route through LGB, there is only one flight per day going their way. Not many chances to get four seats together on standby.
 
2012-08-23 01:37:27 AM

legion_of_doo: And then these weasels are like, "Dude, can I take your aisle seat up front? My kid has a middle seat way in the back, and we don't want to be like, separated, so you better go back there or we're going to pitch a biatch about you."


And you go for the douche bag argument. Yes, some people are willing to split up while traveling and then act like douche bags in flight. But many people are just fine with their kid/partner/friend being in a different aisle. Although they might annoy you a bit by wanting to get up to go and visit with or check on the other person.
 
2012-08-23 02:17:38 AM

the_sidewinder: I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that if you can't afford a trip, maybe you shouldn't take one


I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if the trip they took was to SLC, they must have had a good reason to go there (bereavement, etc.).
 
2012-08-23 02:39:10 AM

Grave_Girl: Yeah, and most of us have the sense not to go on a faraway vacation with our kids when that's the situation.


Exactly.

When I was young and single, I did things like going to an SF convention without so much as gas money home, hoping to scrounge crash space and sublet some huckster space so I could sell stuff. Which I did successfully, by the way. But I didn't have other people depending on me. I didn't have a deadline (I was unemployed at the time, which explains why I was unscheduled, flat broke, and huckstering for a living, which is another CSB entirely). And if things had gone all wahooni-fruit-shaped, well, I knew who to blame, and that person could be easily found by looking in a mirror.

PSA: When you have a family, your options are somewhat more limited than they are when you're footloose and fancy-free. You don't get to pretend otherwise and have the rest of the world play along with you.

And seriously, one meal a day? For six days? I took a look at Google. There are a half-dozen convenience stores within walking distance of that airport. One person could have walked to the 7-11 (or any of several others) and for the price of one airport meal, they could have bought bread, peanut butter, and jelly, and everyone would have had plenty of PBJ sandwiches to eat. Sure, you get sick of PBJ after a while, but not as fast as you get sick of not eating.

They chose to take their kids on a trip they couldn't afford instead of a trip they could afford. That is not anyone's fault but their own.

They probably chose to wait for four seats together instead of taking catch-as-catch-can with their standby tickets, despite knowing from the start this is how it works. That is not anyone's fault but their own.

They chose to fly NRSA without taking anything they would need in the event they had to wait for days, not so much as a washcloth and a change of clothes. That is not anyone's fault but their own.

They chose to feed their kids one airport meal a day instead of going to a store to buy better food. That is not anyone's fault but their own.

And then they chose to whine about the results, so that someone else would pay the price of their choices. That's the choice that destroyed every shred of sympathy I might otherwise have for them.

Random strangers spent thousands of dollars to reward these people for choosing to do something they couldn't afford. There is no doubt, somewhere in Salt Lake City, a poor college student working two jobs, eating ramen noodles, and living in a room that a cockroach would reject, so he can afford school. Where's his media coverage? Why aren't those same generous people giving him thousands of dollars worth of freebies? They're rewarding the wrong people for the wrong things.
 
2012-08-23 02:58:02 AM

rhiannon: What surprises me is that what happened in the article must be quite common. I mean, there appears to be at least a couple people in the this thread alone that have had the same experience.


It is. That's the joke. But I have to say the worst that's ever happened to me was 14 hours in the Detroit Airport. We always allowed extra time to get back, though, so we just hung out and drank Bloody Marys.
 
2012-08-23 03:08:02 AM

MrHappyRotter: Selector: MrHappyRotter: As long as this family is adequately chastised and marginalized for being poor and taking their friend up on an opportunity to do something they never would have been able to afford otherwise, I can fall asleep happy and dream peacefully tonight.

Who goes on a trip without even like an emergency $100 for a night in a hotel room?? Do these people exist??

I know, right. I always make sure to have enough cash and gold bouillon with me at all times to cover my basic necessities and living expenses over a freakishly long and entirely unexpected duration of time.


Why are you so against personal responsibility?
 
2012-08-23 03:12:52 AM

jaytkay: Selector: I knew some moron would say this, forgetting the fact that the family left for vacation WITH NO RESOURCES WHATSOEVER, be it $100 or $5000.

They left for vacation without the $6000 necessary to buy four "fly me today!" replacement tickets when they already had tickets home!!

This will be highly amusing to you and your friends at your next dressage meet-up.


Are you seriously defending the rights of poor people to take vacations that require air travel? I mean I can get on board with making sure every American has food, a roof over their head, clothes and medical care, but I think free vacations are going a bit overboard. .
 
2012-08-23 03:26:27 AM

jaytkay: They left for vacation without the $6000 necessary to buy four "fly me today!" replacement tickets when they already had tickets home!!


They didn't exactly have tickets home, though; they had non-revenue space-available passes, which put you at the tail end of the line, behind cargo, dogs, and Dave Carroll's broken guitar. Buddy passes come with some very severe limitations. They decided that was fine when they started out, but then when those limitations interfered with what they wanted to do, they expected other people to spend that $6000 for them.
 
2012-08-23 03:40:03 AM
As a an airline customer service agent who has worked completely oversold flights for the last 2 weeks straight, I'm getting a kick out of this. No matter how much a non-revenue flight might seem like a sure thing, all it takes is one single cancellation that day to throw off everything. I've had full fare paying customers be stuck at my airport for 11 days before (involves a complex series of weather cancellations, oversold flights, and complete unwillingness of the customer to accept a refund and fly someone else).
 
2012-08-23 04:22:20 AM
HEY! Let's scar the children for life! :)

It'd be cool if you're doing this alone or with other adults who have a choice in the matter, dragging kids along for the ride is pathetic and deplorable.
 
2012-08-23 04:33:20 AM

Worldwalker: They chose to feed their kids one airport meal a day instead of going to a store to buy better food. That is not anyone's fault but their own.


You'd think the parents could've been suspected of child endangerment after their 4 year old had to be checked by the paramedics. They'd have had to be incredibly naive to think a kid that small would do fine on only one meal per day.
 
2012-08-23 04:36:47 AM
I feel bad for the family.
I can understand wanting to take your kids on a vacation, even when the financial situation is farked. Maybe especially then.
To bad it ended up like that. What could've been a time away from problems turned out to be a reminder that they're poor.
Can't see that the airline did anything wrong; following clearly laid out rules for a product isn't wrong.

...

I wonder though...did they try to go just two and two? Maybe send the mom and the 4-year old home first and then the father and the 13-year old later?

Cudos to UA for giving them a trip home, even if it's a PR-stunt it's a decent thing to do.
 
2012-08-23 06:35:03 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-23 07:23:12 AM
I lived in the airport for a week waiting to deploy to Bosnia.

/Not a CSB at all
 
2012-08-23 07:58:49 AM

joshiz: Here is the buddy pass dress code for the airline I was talking about:

NRSA Dress Code...

All travelers are expected to dress in accordance with the standards of good taste including being 'neat,' 'clean,' and 'well groomed.' The following attire is unacceptable in any class of service.

- t-shirts


In addition to the items listed above, the following is unacceptable attire in First Class and Business Class:

- jeans or denim clothes of any color
- athletic or tennis shoes
- hiking/military style boots

So I guess you technically can wear shorts in Economy on a buddy pass but there still is a dress code. This is a few years old so they now allow jeans in FC.


I can understand not wanting people to have to sit next to a fat woman in a wife beater whose bacon-sweat gets everywhere...but WTF is wrong with T-shirts? Does having a pocket on your shirt somehow make it better?

And first class isn't a lawyer's office. It's the front of a farking air-bus. Who cares what shoes you are wearing? I mean, seriously, how often do you really look at a mans shoes?
 
2012-08-23 08:03:13 AM
You have a group of Saxtons hanging around your airport for a week biatching about free airline travel? I have a solution:
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2012-08-23 08:49:17 AM
Yeah, that's why I PAY for my plane tickets. And I'm ok with long layovers. It means I don't have a tight connection if my first flight get delayed. I purposely planned two hour layovers both directions for the trip I'm taking this weekend- tonight, actually.

It sucks about this family, but what family with two kids doesn't have at least a few hundred in the bank? Dear lord. If you can't afford kids don't have them. And I agree about the 2 at a time thing. They could have sent dad home and he wired them cash, or something. Bad planning.
 
2012-08-23 09:19:03 AM

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: the_sidewinder: I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that if you can't afford a trip, maybe you shouldn't take one

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if the trip they took was to SLC, they must have had a good reason to go there (bereavement, etc.).


If they were there visiting family, seems to me they should have been able to actually leave the airport and stay with the family, coming back the next day to try again.
 
2012-08-23 09:40:12 AM

zenobia: rhiannon: What surprises me is that what happened in the article must be quite common. I mean, there appears to be at least a couple people in the this thread alone that have had the same experience.

It is. That's the joke. But I have to say the worst that's ever happened to me was 14 hours in the Detroit Airport. We always allowed extra time to get back, though, so we just hung out and drank Bloody Marys.


Not sure I agree with giving your two children Bloody Marys, but if it keeps them quiet or happy then...
 
2012-08-23 09:42:18 AM
As a parent on a tight budget with small children myself, I sympathize with this family... to a point. I want my kids to get to go places and do things to broaden their horizons. But I would never take them anywhere without a backup plan and the funds to at least feed and shelter them if unforseen circumstances should arise.

We had a run of bad luck with expensive home repairs that killed our budget over the past couple years, so this year our vacation involved visiting family within driving distance. Maybe next year we will get to a beach, but I'm not about to risk my kids' health and safety to do it.
 
2012-08-23 09:49:39 AM
After about day 2 or 3 it should have become obvious to them that the size of their group was a problem. They could have helped their own situation by splitting up into 1 adult / 1 child pairs......it is after all easier to find two unused tickets on a plane rather than four.
 
2012-08-23 10:15:18 AM

Linkster: thisisyourbrainonFark: [images.starpulse.com image 445x289]

THIS!


terrible, terrible movie...
 
2012-08-23 10:55:34 AM

jaytkay: Transubstantive: You know, just because someone went to college doesn't mean their parents paid for it.

True, but people who sneer at the poor are not often acquainted with the circumstances of normal people.


I'm not sneering at them because they're poor, you ignorant farkwit. I'm sneering at them because they're stupid. When I was poor in college, I damn sure would've had the sense not to take a vacation if I couldn't afford emergency funds. And that was without small children.
 
2012-08-23 11:15:38 AM
Has nobody else noticed that the dad's name is Curtis Saxton? Think it's the same guy?
 
2012-08-23 11:49:22 AM

Galemp: Has nobody else noticed that the dad's name is Curtis Saxton? Think it's the same guy?


Yeah, probably. He's "working as a postdoctoral researcher at the Mullard Space Science Laboratory, University College London." who wrote his thesis on "stability analysis, applied to the thermal instabilities of accretion shocks on magnetic white dwarfs".

So yeah, totally sounds like the same guy.
 
2012-08-23 01:33:41 PM

clear_prop: jaytkay: eggrolls: Even money they could have go home in shifts. Mom & son on flight one, dad & daughter on flight two within twenty-four hours. Heck, even the 13yr old could have flown as an unaccompanied minor.

With a week of sleeping on airport floors and lack of food and nothing better to do I would guess they kinda investigated all possible strategies for getting home.

I think you are over estimating their intelligence.


I'm willing to bet Mom and Dad sat there like smelly lumps waiting for someone to handle things for them while their four-year-old starved. But I've been on welfare.
 
2012-08-23 01:57:13 PM
Taking the cheap, adventurous seat-of-your-pants kind of vacation, where you fly standby, go to whatever has inexpensive admission and try to have the best possible experience on the least money is all well and good -if you're a young adult or a senior citizen. I've done the buddy-pass thing a couple of times with my college friends and I know my Granny hasn't taken a non-standby flight in years. When you're the sort of patient person for whom walking laps in the Airmall, playing a portable video game, larking about on a laptop or reading murder mysteries for a day or so in a terminal is no big deal or even a pleasant break and your time isn't all that especially valuable, then standby travel is for you.

The MINUTE you have kids, though, unless somebody's on their deathbed across the country and a rental car's completely off the table, it's unreasonable in the extreme to expect standby to work for you. Little kids just don't have the attention span, the tolerance for what is, to them, the ninth circle of Hell or the ability to grasp why they still need to be quiet and respectful even though they're tired and cranky and there's nothing to do.

(Unless, of course, the kid is my nine-year-old godson. See, his autism-spectrum disorder pretty much means you can keep him happy and quiet as long as the laptop's charged and the headphones work, which makes him a pretty darn good flier for his age. Even so, I was really nervous about chancing him on a standby, but the lecture tickets for his birthday really took most of the travel budget and it was all he wanted in the world. So I took him on a standby ticket to hear his favorite scientist speak and that kid handled the five-hour wait for seats like it was nothing. People did a double-take when they realized he was an actual child and not just a really small, short adult. He also insisted on wearing his suit like a grownup, so I wore one, too, and we wound up in first class on the way out and business on the way back, which was completely awesome.)

But yeah, if you're traveling with children on ANY kind of flight, you carry enough money or space on the credit card for a hotel and at least two days' worth of extra meals, because you really don't know what's going to happen and those little ones are depending on you. Any kid but my godson, I'd sooner drive.
 
2012-08-23 03:06:30 PM

CraicBaby: beantowndog: I havent seen an empty seat on a plane in years.

Depends on where you're flying to/from. I've flown from Denver to Edmonton and vice-versa on one of those tiny planes and had an entire row to myself a couple times.


This--within the last year and a half, pretty much had an entire Southwest flight of myself, my SO, and the University of Kentucky women's gymnastics team (yes, seriously)...we had not only seats empty but entire ROWS empty.

Of course, it ALSO was a flight from Baltimore to Louisville that arrived at around 12:30am (the closest we get to true "red-eye" flights--at actual "redeye" hours, UPS has well and truly taken over the airport), so your mileage may vary.

Out of something like ORD or MDW to another major hub, though...no friggin' way in hell :D
 
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