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2012-08-23 10:10:20 AM  

way south: fusillade762: #11 - Gravity is the same (1 G) on every planet.

And a fun fact: There was no FTL in the Firefly universe.


UberDave: TFA: "And you'll notice that on shows like Star Trek, when life support and power are turned off, artificial gravity somehow always keeps working."

Really?

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Should have read the whole entry:

(With the exception of Star Trek VI, of course.)

Obvious reason is because they were all filmed on earth. Live action has its limitations.
CGI and anime tend to be more scientifically accurate.

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/When they feel like it.
/Because they can be wildly and amazingly inaccurate when the plot calls for it too.


Does this mean I can make drills sprout from any available surface, simply by utilizing a mecha that runs on Awesome?
 
2012-08-23 10:21:20 AM  
I have a gripe with #4.

If you have a FTL system there's obviously something about the universe that we don't understand yet.

Why is he assuming that the FTL system doesn't also provide a communications system?
 
2012-08-23 10:36:06 AM  

Felgraf: Does this mean I can make drills sprout from any available surface, simply by utilizing a mecha that runs on Awesome?


Why yes, YES YOU CAN!

/Altho I prefer to use my forehead and powers of indecision to make a gateway through space-time for giant robots.
 
2012-08-23 10:38:14 AM  

mr lawson: Damn! Quantum Apostrophe got you all worked up!
Good job Q.A.!
Lest anybody does not know, I am the epitome of what Q.A. calls a space nutter.
With that said, he does bring a much need balanced voice in regards to space exploration.


Another one who groks me. I suffer for my art, man.

doglover: Quantum Apostrophe: I just don't see any basic physical limit to life span

Um....


Ummm, so show me this physical limit. Atoms get old? They wear out? Show me an 80 year old atom.
 
2012-08-23 10:40:20 AM  
That was an excellent article smitty. The first time in years of reading articles on fark where most of the major issues regarding space travel have really been realistically addressed. I bookmarked it for future use.

Thanks.
 
2012-08-23 10:50:21 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: LoneWolf343: Were you that guy I saw randomly insert some rant about sci-fi stuff in a completely unrelated thread? I think you might be obsessed.

Says the guy following me at 2:30 AM on a weekday... No really, I'm flattered. When the cops come because of the smell, I'm sure they'll find your basement studio littered with printouts of my best posts.  And a good inch and a half of your tears.


...Yeah, you're crazy.

/it's not the same time all around the planet, mister science smarty-pants.
 
2012-08-23 11:05:48 AM  

LoneWolf343: Quantum Apostrophe: LoneWolf343: Were you that guy I saw randomly insert some rant about sci-fi stuff in a completely unrelated thread? I think you might be obsessed.

Says the guy following me at 2:30 AM on a weekday... No really, I'm flattered. When the cops come because of the smell, I'm sure they'll find your basement studio littered with printouts of my best posts.  And a good inch and a half of your tears.

...Yeah, you're crazy.

/it's not the same time all around the planet, mister science smarty-pants.


Yes, yes, you're a jet-setter who just happens to take time out from his busy life of impressing supermodels with talk of space elevators, to check up on little old me.
 
2012-08-23 11:07:25 AM  
ChiliBoots: Quantum Apostrophe: Well sure, you have a faith that there's a "possible" advance in physics, which is really just saying that physics as we know it pretty much kills all the space follies right here, right now.

What if these advances in physics really don't help at all? Is that possible too? What if life extension becomes easier, but not space travel, with the new physics? Will you act like this:

Much like there's been no hide of evidence for FTL phenomenon beyond mathematical conjecture, nobody has ever seen any indefinitely regenerating life-forms either. Both are wishful fantasies. Yeah, there's no difference between atoms of the same atomic number, but yet, here we are degenerating anyway. Chemistry has been the same for billions of years and immortal life hasn't happened so far, most likely never will either.


Chemistry and lack of immortal life doesn't have anything to really do with each other. There's organisms on the ocean floor that life for 1000's if not 10's of thousands. Lots of medical breakthroughs have been made using a gene line that is literally immortal; google Henrietta Lacks.

Life seems to have evolved to live and die to keep genes and beneficial mutations going, while causing bad mutations to die out. But there's nothing in chemistry that say someone or thing couldn't practically live forever.
 
2012-08-23 11:15:24 AM  
Virtuoso80: #12 for the list: In space, there's no way to fly around things.

The worst culprit here is 'Serenity', where in order to reach a planet they, "have to fly through reaper territory." We then see that that means flying through a field of ships all located within a cubic mile of each other. Really? You couldn't go around?


Well, reaper territory was a region of space in the outer solar system. So it wasn't a nice clear cut place, but rather an entire area. As for the spaceships, blame it on the budget. It seems like it should have been a graveyard of ships around the planet, ala Wall-E, but they probably didn't have the budget to do both a entire graveyard plus planet and then the battle towards the end.

You could extrapolate this film phenomenon to how other in science fiction ships just end up "finding" each other. Space is kinda big, but somehow ships just always seem to appear close to each other!
 
2012-08-23 11:15:27 AM  

studebaker hoch: TyrantII

He's talking about 1G constant acceleration, which typically posits that you reach 99% the speed of light in ~1/2 year. Particles of matter hitting you at those speeds are very, very bad.

Really though, the answer is not to go close to C. So instead of a 4+1 year trip to the closest star, take a 40 year trip.

But then you run into problems of fuel.

I think the way we'll really do it when we do it is just build collossal ships, and plan on voyages lasting lifetimes or more.

That would get us to nearby stars eventually. Thing is, the ships have to be totally self sustaining over the long haul through the cold of space.

Also, you have to have an all-volunteer crew essentially signing up to serve life sentences on this thing. What sounds cool today might not be so much fun anymore when you're 20 years older.

And we can't speak for the children of the space voyagers, who did NOT sign up for the ride. They may very well revolt, and in a generation, turn that boat right back around again and come back home.

You'd have to make the ship so huge that there wouldn't be a feeling of being captive.

We don't feel stuck on Earth, not most of us, because it's huge and really nice.

We'd need some kind of ship that nobody would want to leave to return to Earth.


If I were a struggling science fiction writer, I would be stealing this right now...

/alas, I can't even speel
 
2012-08-23 11:26:04 AM  
1) FTL Travel - Most science fiction achieves this by having their ships not travel through normal space in some way (wormholes, hyperspace, or warp bubbles).

2) Artificial Gravity - Usually they just assume they can control gravitons in some fasion. And in Star Trek, when the power goes out they also still have emergency lights and intra-ship communications, meaning what happened is that they kept their ship's functionality segmented into tiers and that the most fundamental necessities are on a deeply redundant system. And the failure wasn't at that level. Which would make sense.

3) Inertia - Star Trek uses inertial dampening fields. Them being thrown around when they get hit is kinda stupid, unless the ship precalculated what fields would be needed before it accelerated (and doesn't have time to do that when something hits them).

4) FTL Communications - Subspace communications. Also Star Trek has imaginary particles that are faster than light (tachyons - I looked it up).

5) Bunched Up - Planets and shiat, yes. Fleets... eh, maybe they just like flying close together. Maybe it has an advantage to their shields. Or whatever, the point is that's a stupid argument.

6) Communicate with aliens - Actually they are approaching this from the entirely wrong point of view. If you have a show that has human and alien interaction past a certain level, there would necessarily need to be a system of communication, whether it's something categorical like a translator or just learning their system of language. If you learned their system of language, it would be only a matter of time before someone was like fark this I'm making a computer do this for me.

7) Ray guns - To have an effective ray gun you would need to generate a shiat ton of power. But this is hardly a problem if your show is premised in a world of interstellar travel.

8) Cheap energy - We already have nuclear powered submarines.

9) FTL but no time change - This is the same thing as the FTL travel. Most sci-fi has the ship not travel in the normal spatial dimensions, so you would only be going FTL relative to those dimensions.

10) Radiation - Lots of sci-fi ships have shielding against radiation.

This list is stupid.
 
2012-08-23 11:31:50 AM  

dai the flu: studebaker hoch: TyrantII

He's talking about 1G constant acceleration, which typically posits that you reach 99% the speed of light in ~1/2 year. Particles of matter hitting you at those speeds are very, very bad.

Really though, the answer is not to go close to C. So instead of a 4+1 year trip to the closest star, take a 40 year trip.

But then you run into problems of fuel.

I think the way we'll really do it when we do it is just build collossal ships, and plan on voyages lasting lifetimes or more.

That would get us to nearby stars eventually. Thing is, the ships have to be totally self sustaining over the long haul through the cold of space.

Also, you have to have an all-volunteer crew essentially signing up to serve life sentences on this thing. What sounds cool today might not be so much fun anymore when you're 20 years older.

And we can't speak for the children of the space voyagers, who did NOT sign up for the ride. They may very well revolt, and in a generation, turn that boat right back around again and come back home.

You'd have to make the ship so huge that there wouldn't be a feeling of being captive.

We don't feel stuck on Earth, not most of us, because it's huge and really nice.

We'd need some kind of ship that nobody would want to leave to return to Earth.

If I were a struggling science fiction writer, I would be stealing this right now...

/alas, I can't even speel


Macross frontier had something like this.
Multiple massive colony ships where most people didn't really feel the need to leave. The destination didn't seem per determined.

/and macross space travel rules seem arbitrary.
/rondevous with Rama, dark city, and a number of other fictions played with the idea too.
 
2012-08-23 11:40:11 AM  
Also somewhat related to the "revolution on a starship" theme, Last Exile played with the idea in an interesting way.
Most of the colonists had long forgotten that they were on a ship and failing life support lead to wars between nations. 

/Or that's how I remember it, anyway.
/I'm starting to with I was a fiction author so I could steal my own ideas.
 
2012-08-23 11:42:10 AM  

way south: Also somewhat related to the "revolution on a starship" theme, Last Exile played with the idea in an interesting way.
Most of the colonists had long forgotten that they were on a ship and failing life support lead to wars between nations. 

/Or that's how I remember it, anyway.
/I'm starting to with I was a fiction author so I could steal my own ideas.


I think they were actually colonists: *exile* was the ship, but it was also the life support/terraformer for the weird twin-planet thingy they colonized.

/DID YOU KNOW THERE'S A SEQUEL?!
 
2012-08-23 11:53:11 AM  

Felgraf: way south: Also somewhat related to the "revolution on a starship" theme, Last Exile played with the idea in an interesting way.
Most of the colonists had long forgotten that they were on a ship and failing life support lead to wars between nations. 

/Or that's how I remember it, anyway.
/I'm starting to with wish I was a fiction author so I could steal my own ideas.

I think they were actually colonists: *exile* was the ship, but it was also the life support/terraformer for the weird twin-planet thingy they colonized.

/DID YOU KNOW THERE'S A SEQUEL?!


I'm finally getting around to watching it.

/I wasn't quite sure if it was a sequal or a spin-off.
/Halfway through, Still not sure...
/NO SPOILERS! (he says, after Spoiling the original Last Exile).
 
2012-08-23 12:05:36 PM  

bbfreak: Meh, better link of myths about space travel.


thanks for that
 
2012-08-23 12:06:08 PM  

way south: Felgraf: way south: Also somewhat related to the "revolution on a starship" theme, Last Exile played with the idea in an interesting way.
Most of the colonists had long forgotten that they were on a ship and failing life support lead to wars between nations. 

/Or that's how I remember it, anyway.
/I'm starting to with wish I was a fiction author so I could steal my own ideas.

I think they were actually colonists: *exile* was the ship, but it was also the life support/terraformer for the weird twin-planet thingy they colonized.

/DID YOU KNOW THERE'S A SEQUEL?!

I'm finally getting around to watching it.

/I wasn't quite sure if it was a sequal or a spin-off.
/Halfway through, Still not sure...
/NO SPOILERS! (he says, after Spoiling the original Last Exile).


I actually haven't watched any of the sequel yet, I just know it exists!

/Gotta get my GF to watch the first one first.
 
2012-08-23 12:07:03 PM  

mr lawson: Damn! Quantum Apostrophe got you all worked up!
Good job Q.A.!
Lest anybody does not know, I am the epitome of what Q.A. calls a space nutter.
With that said, he does bring a much need balanced voice in regards to space exploration.


No, he does not. He contributes nothing of value except pithy commentary, usually one-liners, in any discussion remotely centered around space exploration. Not quite a Bevets- or Skinnyhead-class troll, mind you, but he's trying.

There is nothing wrong with good discussion on the merits and practicalities of space travel (or medical science), and several posters have contributed postively to the discussion. I myself look forward to a day where human walk on other worlds, but acknowledge the current practical limitations on energy production, human physiology, and cosmic distances. Perhaps our future resembles more a "uploaded intelligence in an STL Monolith" a la Arthur C. Clarke. Who knows?

You will get nothing, however, from Q.A. except comebacks and flamebait. Best to just let him post without comment and move to more relevant discussion.
 
2012-08-23 12:19:29 PM  
way south: Also somewhat related to the "revolution on a starship" theme, Last Exile played with the idea in an interesting way.
Most of the colonists had long forgotten that they were on a ship and failing life support lead to wars between nations. 

/Or that's how I remember it, anyway.
/I'm starting to with I was a fiction author so I could steal my own ideas.


Sort of like life on Earth.

People tend to forget the earth is technically a biosphere spaceship, orbiting a power source, dragging us around the galaxy, which is puling us through the universe.
 
2012-08-23 12:36:52 PM  

TyrantII: way south: Also somewhat related to the "revolution on a starship" theme, Last Exile played with the idea in an interesting way.
Most of the colonists had long forgotten that they were on a ship and failing life support lead to wars between nations. 

/Or that's how I remember it, anyway.
/I'm starting to with I was a fiction author so I could steal my own ideas.

Sort of like life on Earth.

People tend to forget the earth is technically a biosphere spaceship, orbiting a power source, dragging us around the galaxy, which is puling us through the universe.


That is a great way of framing the climate control debate, minus the magic gizmo that fixes everything in the end.

/I eagerly await your screenplay.
 
2012-08-23 01:22:35 PM  

KellyX: From what I always see, fusion power is the big daddy of most civilizations in scifi, once you hit that, energy starts becoming less an issue and you can start investing resources into other areas of development.


Once the fusion reactors are online, most every future fantasy can be worked toward.

NO LIFE EXTENSION OR SPACESHIPS UNTIL WE GET FUSION REACTORS!

j/k, just had to take a shot at someone thinking it's an either/or proposition, as though all the high level physicists would have gone into molecular genetics and the like, or that scientists are fungible, like turning over research points in Civ/Alpha Centauri changes instantly whatever everyone was working on.
 
2012-08-23 01:24:30 PM  

way south: Also somewhat related to the "revolution on a starship" theme, Last Exile played with the idea in an interesting way.
Most of the colonists had long forgotten that they were on a ship and failing life support lead to wars between nations. 

/Or that's how I remember it, anyway.
/I'm starting to with I was a fiction author so I could steal my own ideas.


Phantasy Star II and III?
 
2012-08-23 01:28:21 PM  

stewmadness: bbfreak: Meh, better link of myths about space travel.

thanks for that


No problem. :) He also has one on Space Weapon Myths you might enjoy.
 
2012-08-23 01:41:12 PM  

Fano: KellyX: From what I always see, fusion power is the big daddy of most civilizations in scifi, once you hit that, energy starts becoming less an issue and you can start investing resources into other areas of development.

Once the fusion reactors are online, most every future fantasy can be worked toward.

NO LIFE EXTENSION OR SPACESHIPS UNTIL WE GET FUSION REACTORS!

j/k, just had to take a shot at someone thinking it's an either/or proposition, as though all the high level physicists would have gone into molecular genetics and the like, or that scientists are fungible, like turning over research points in Civ/Alpha Centauri changes instantly whatever everyone was working on.


I don't believe I was taking an either/or position, was just stating how it seems to go in scifi stories.

And I guess at the same time I was pointing out once the energy problem gets solved, a lot of the other advances start to become priorities.

Personally, I'm of the opinion yes, fusion will be very important, but as a species we need to evolve ourselves so we can go to the stars. That probably means one of two things, or a combination of the two... Genetically engineer ourselves, or become cyborgs.
 
2012-08-23 01:50:02 PM  

KellyX: Fano: KellyX: From what I always see, fusion power is the big daddy of most civilizations in scifi, once you hit that, energy starts becoming less an issue and you can start investing resources into other areas of development.

Once the fusion reactors are online, most every future fantasy can be worked toward.

NO LIFE EXTENSION OR SPACESHIPS UNTIL WE GET FUSION REACTORS!

j/k, just had to take a shot at someone thinking it's an either/or proposition, as though all the high level physicists would have gone into molecular genetics and the like, or that scientists are fungible, like turning over research points in Civ/Alpha Centauri changes instantly whatever everyone was working on.

I don't believe I was taking an either/or position, was just stating how it seems to go in scifi stories.

And I guess at the same time I was pointing out once the energy problem gets solved, a lot of the other advances start to become priorities.

Personally, I'm of the opinion yes, fusion will be very important, but as a species we need to evolve ourselves so we can go to the stars. That probably means one of two things, or a combination of the two... Genetically engineer ourselves, or become cyborgs.


;) not you taking the either or. Someone else in thread, with dozens of posts.
 
2012-08-23 01:57:19 PM  
I'm surprised nobody mentioned any of the Ender's game books yet.
 
2012-08-23 02:26:22 PM  
Rolander:

I'm surprised nobody mentioned any of the Ender's game books yet.

High-school porn for people who got picked on for being video game nerds?

You're right... It should be mentioned here.
 
2012-08-23 02:55:53 PM  

Fano: KellyX: Fano: KellyX: From what I always see, fusion power is the big daddy of most civilizations in scifi, once you hit that, energy starts becoming less an issue and you can start investing resources into other areas of development.

Once the fusion reactors are online, most every future fantasy can be worked toward.

NO LIFE EXTENSION OR SPACESHIPS UNTIL WE GET FUSION REACTORS!

j/k, just had to take a shot at someone thinking it's an either/or proposition, as though all the high level physicists would have gone into molecular genetics and the like, or that scientists are fungible, like turning over research points in Civ/Alpha Centauri changes instantly whatever everyone was working on.

I don't believe I was taking an either/or position, was just stating how it seems to go in scifi stories.

And I guess at the same time I was pointing out once the energy problem gets solved, a lot of the other advances start to become priorities.

Personally, I'm of the opinion yes, fusion will be very important, but as a species we need to evolve ourselves so we can go to the stars. That probably means one of two things, or a combination of the two... Genetically engineer ourselves, or become cyborgs.

;) not you taking the either or. Someone else in thread, with dozens of posts.


I sorta skip around and something stands out as interesting or not. Sometimes when I revisit a thread and see the same person posting a lot, I figure they're arguing and tend to ignore it... Were you talking about a certain someone who shiats all over these type of conversations telling us YOU CAN'T EVER GO FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT! ALIENS DON'T EXIST! that sort of shiat?
 
2012-08-23 03:04:30 PM  

KellyX: Fano: KellyX: Fano: KellyX: From what I always see, fusion power is the big daddy of most civilizations in scifi, once you hit that, energy starts becoming less an issue and you can start investing resources into other areas of development.

Once the fusion reactors are online, most every future fantasy can be worked toward.

NO LIFE EXTENSION OR SPACESHIPS UNTIL WE GET FUSION REACTORS!

j/k, just had to take a shot at someone thinking it's an either/or proposition, as though all the high level physicists would have gone into molecular genetics and the like, or that scientists are fungible, like turning over research points in Civ/Alpha Centauri changes instantly whatever everyone was working on.

I don't believe I was taking an either/or position, was just stating how it seems to go in scifi stories.

And I guess at the same time I was pointing out once the energy problem gets solved, a lot of the other advances start to become priorities.

Personally, I'm of the opinion yes, fusion will be very important, but as a species we need to evolve ourselves so we can go to the stars. That probably means one of two things, or a combination of the two... Genetically engineer ourselves, or become cyborgs.

;) not you taking the either or. Someone else in thread, with dozens of posts.

I sorta skip around and something stands out as interesting or not. Sometimes when I revisit a thread and see the same person posting a lot, I figure they're arguing and tend to ignore it... Were you talking about a certain someone who shiats all over these type of conversations telling us YOU CAN'T EVER GO FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT! ALIENS DON'T EXIST! that sort of shiat?


He's usually shouting more of "WE'LL NEVER LEAVE THE PLANET BECAUSE WE WON'T ADVANCE OUR KNOWLEDGE OF PHYSICS AND SPACE AND ENGINEERING EVARRRRR!! FOCUS ON LIFE EXTENSION SO I DON'T HAVE TO BE SO DEATHLY AFRAID OF GETTING OLD!"
 
2012-08-23 04:53:12 PM  
#11
www.coolgizmotoys.com
Milk isn't blue. Seriously, did the special effects people even try?
 
2012-08-23 06:31:59 PM  
Ships traveling at faster than light can communicate with other ships or planets

just use the Ansible
 
2012-08-23 07:11:26 PM  

rickycal78: WE'LL NEVER LEAVE THE PLANET BECAUSE WE WON'T ADVANCE OUR KNOWLEDGE OF PHYSICS AND SPACE AND ENGINEERING EVARRRRR!!


That's right, we won't.

rickycal78: FOCUS ON LIFE EXTENSION SO I DON'T HAVE TO BE SO DEATHLY AFRAID OF GETTING OLD!"


But being deathly afraid of hypothetical killer asteroids and worrying about the species while being against socialized health care, that makes all kinds of sense... 

10 years, chump.
 
2012-08-23 07:15:15 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: rickycal78: WE'LL NEVER LEAVE THE PLANET BECAUSE WE WON'T ADVANCE OUR KNOWLEDGE OF PHYSICS AND SPACE AND ENGINEERING EVARRRRR!!

That's right, we won't.

rickycal78: FOCUS ON LIFE EXTENSION SO I DON'T HAVE TO BE SO DEATHLY AFRAID OF GETTING OLD!"

But being deathly afraid of hypothetical killer asteroids and worrying about the species while being against socialized health care, that makes all kinds of sense... 

10 years, chump.


You aren't even trying anymore. At least last night you were doing a decent job of trolling all of us. It's clear you either have no grasp of logic or reasoning, or you're trolling. No one is stupid as you were last night, not even my tarded pilot ex girlfriend.
 
2012-08-23 07:40:28 PM  
Oh stop already. I came back to read some of the posts, and you two are still at it. Stop already. Grow up. Go outside and play, whatever, but it's tiring seeing the bickering. It's a really great article, and you've both spoiled the hell out of it.
 
2012-08-23 07:47:08 PM  
Quantum Apostrophe: rickycal78: WE'LL NEVER LEAVE THE PLANET BECAUSE WE WON'T ADVANCE OUR KNOWLEDGE OF PHYSICS AND SPACE AND ENGINEERING EVARRRRR!!

That's right, we won't.

rickycal78: FOCUS ON LIFE EXTENSION SO I DON'T HAVE TO BE SO DEATHLY AFRAID OF GETTING OLD!"

But being deathly afraid of hypothetical killer asteroids and worrying about the species while being against socialized health care, that makes all kinds of sense... 

10 years, chump.


Good morning! How were the breakfast pizza rolls?
 
2012-08-23 10:00:56 PM  

MythDragon: #11
[www.coolgizmotoys.com image 400x355]
Milk isn't blue. Seriously, did the special effects people even try?


Who said it was milk? It could be a plant extract.
 
2012-08-23 10:05:28 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Oh stop already. I came back to read some of the posts, and you two are still at it. Stop already. Grow up. Go outside and play, whatever, but it's tiring seeing the bickering. It's a really great article, and you've both spoiled the hell out of it.


No, it wasn't.
 
2012-08-23 10:39:52 PM  

lohphat: MythDragon: #11
[www.coolgizmotoys.com image 400x355]
Milk isn't blue. Seriously, did the special effects people even try?

Who said it was milk? It could be a plant extract.


Bantha semen.
 
2012-08-23 11:26:32 PM  

Fano: lohphat: MythDragon: #11
[www.coolgizmotoys.com image 400x355]
Milk isn't blue. Seriously, did the special effects people even try?

Who said it was milk? It could be a plant extract.

Bantha semen.


That was very wrong, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
 
2012-08-23 11:30:55 PM  

MythDragon: #11
[www.coolgizmotoys.com image 400x355]
Milk isn't blue. Seriously, did the special effects people even try?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-24 02:23:36 AM  
Humans evolved to be part of this planet, and are a part of it.

No need to leave it.
 
2012-08-24 06:46:44 AM  

studebaker hoch: Humans evolved to be part of this planet, and are a part of it.

No need to leave it.


Humans evolved as part of an ecosystem that no longer exists.
We left our rightful place in nature a long time ago.
 
2012-08-24 08:51:18 AM  

studebaker hoch: Humans evolved to be part of this planet, and are a part of it.

No need to leave it.


We evolved to reform the environment around us to suit our needs. If we go off-planet, obviously we have to take some of the planet with us because we need some of the biosphere for sustenance. Beyond that, there are extinction-level events that can happen that we can't prevent from killing off most or all of our species if we stay on the planet. It's a miracle we survived the bottle-neck 150,000 years ago.

Saying there is " No need to leave it." is saying " Maybe if we put our head in the sand, it'll be enough to protect us from going extinct someday." when it's self-evident that extinction-level events are inevitable on long time-scales and we would need much, much higher-level technology and infrastructure than we do now to mitigate their results. That higher-level technology is not as important if most of us aren't on this muddy rock to begin with when they happen.
 
2012-08-24 11:14:47 AM  
I'd kinda like to see us get off this rock and go running around the solar system, myself.
 
2012-08-25 01:59:12 AM  
Of course we'll have a presence on the Moon, and eventually Mars.

What I mean is, no need to go to other star systems. Serious PITA and we've got it really good where we are now.
 
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