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(Talking Points Memo)   Rep. David Rivera (R-eally busted) personally financed a fake primary opponent against his Democratic rival   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 67
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2012-08-22 03:47:38 PM  
THIS is the voter fraud you're looking for, GOP
 
2012-08-22 03:49:03 PM  
is that legal?
 
2012-08-22 03:50:35 PM  
images.cheezburger.com
 
2012-08-22 03:52:33 PM  

Aarontology: is that legal?


Unethical, probably. I suspect they'll get him on the coverup.
 
2012-08-22 03:54:24 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Aarontology: is that legal?

Unethical, probably. I suspect they'll get him on the coverup.


To get the fake guy on the ballot, forged papers would have to have been filed with the election authorities, to include SSNs, addresses, campaign treasurer information, and so on. Wouldn't that constitute election tampering, or at least lying on government documents?
 
2012-08-22 03:54:42 PM  
Russell Pearce here in Arizona did the same thing. The courts forced the 3rd party off the ballot and the whole thing went to court and was dropped when he got spanked.
 
2012-08-22 03:55:07 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: THIS is the voter fraud you're looking for, GOP


MY ONE HOPE IS THAT WHEN THE MEDIA COVERS THIS STORY, THEY CALL IT "ELECTION FRAUD" CONSTANTLY, AND NEVER STOP REFERRING TO HIM AS A "REPUBLICAN".

They won't do that, but I still hope they will.
 
2012-08-22 03:57:07 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Russell Pearce here in Arizona did the same thing. The courts forced the 3rd party off the ballot and the whole thing went to court and was dropped when he got spanked.


he probably liked it too.
 
2012-08-22 03:58:24 PM  

Aarontology: is that legal?


I've never heard of anything that makes this illegal. You're free to wreck democracy all you like.
 
2012-08-22 03:59:45 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Aarontology: is that legal?

Unethical, probably. I suspect they'll get him on the coverup.

To get the fake guy on the ballot, forged papers would have to have been filed with the election authorities, to include SSNs, addresses, campaign treasurer information, and so on. Wouldn't that constitute election tampering, or at least lying on government documents?


The guy was a real candidate, apparently, but it sounds like Rivera was supporting his candidacy in order to mess up the Democratic primary. I don't know if that's illegal, but it's definitely unethical.
 
2012-08-22 04:00:41 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Aarontology: is that legal?

Unethical, probably. I suspect they'll get him on the coverup.

To get the fake guy on the ballot, forged papers would have to have been filed with the election authorities, to include SSNs, addresses, campaign treasurer information, and so on. Wouldn't that constitute election tampering, or at least lying on government documents?


Not really, just get your buddy from your party who is otherwise eligible to run to switch parties. Send out your volunteers with needed petitions to collect legit signatures and begin the race.

Yeah, highly unethical, low-down and dirty. Easy to do without breaking a single law.
 
2012-08-22 04:04:00 PM  
Oh look. Republicans tampering with elections..

Such a noble and honest party, aren't they? You seriously have to wonder about what kind of trash would support a political party that almost routinely does this. And, really, considering that tampering with elections is one of the hallmarks of fascism, you have to seriously begin questioning whether or not these Republicans are even worthy of being called Americans.

Nothing will change sadly, and somehow, the trash that votes Republican will go to sleep at night convincing themselves that the laws they continually break are for the good of the country without realizing that they really are fascist pieces of shiat.
 
2012-08-22 04:16:17 PM  

Aarontology: is that legal?

The envelope was stuffed with cash - $7,800.


I don't know, what's the maximum allowed donation to a primary campaign?
 
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2012-08-22 04:27:47 PM  

Aarontology: is that legal?


Probably not, but it depends on exactly what he did. People have gotten into legal trouble for this sort of thing before.
 
2012-08-22 04:32:24 PM  
This is why we need voter i.d. laws.

If Democrats can't vote, then there's no need to pull these shenanigans.
 
2012-08-22 04:33:04 PM  
o.O
 
2012-08-22 05:12:35 PM  
He's related to Doctor Nick, isn't he?
 
2012-08-22 05:13:18 PM  
I doubt that there's anything *illegal* about financing another candidate while you run for office.

Certainly isn't the action of an upstanding citizen running for office, though.
 
2012-08-22 05:28:31 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The guy was a real candidate, apparently, but it sounds like Rivera was supporting his candidacy in order to mess up the Democratic primary. I don't know if that's illegal, but it's definitely unethical.


If you go to the Miami Herald article instead of the TPM page, then you'd see that the Miami Herald said that the various violations that Rivera is alleged to have done has a punishment of up to 5 years in federal prison.
 
2012-08-22 05:38:11 PM  
As far as I recall, it is very illegal to have campaign contributions in excess of $100 to be made in cash.

Ah, here's where I read that.

"A candidate or conspirator who knowingly and willfully "falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact" in a federal election can face up to five years in prison, according to federal law.

Federal investigators specifically consider "surreptitious means, such as cash, conduits, or false documentation, to conceal" a contribution or expenditure a crime, according to a guidebook published by the Federal Elections Commission.

Campaign finance laws limit contributions to $2,500 per individual in a primary. Candidates who loan themselves money have to report it as well. They also can't receive more than $100 in cash."


Miami Herald Link
 
2012-08-22 05:41:09 PM  
Just Win Baby!
 
2012-08-22 06:01:50 PM  

Otherwise Just Fine: As far as I recall, it is very illegal to have campaign contributions in excess of $100 to be made in cash.

Ah, here's where I read that.

"A candidate or conspirator who knowingly and willfully "falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact" in a federal election can face up to five years in prison, according to federal law.

Federal investigators specifically consider "surreptitious means, such as cash, conduits, or false documentation, to conceal" a contribution or expenditure a crime, according to a guidebook published by the Federal Elections Commission.

Campaign finance laws limit contributions to $2,500 per individual in a primary. Candidates who loan themselves money have to report it as well. They also can't receive more than $100 in cash."

Miami Herald Link


So, basically, while it is not illegal to fund an opposition candidate in a federal election, it *is* illegal to conceal how you're funding said opposition candidate, and/or, to fund it using certain forms of payment?
 
2012-08-22 06:04:14 PM  

RexTalionis: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The guy was a real candidate, apparently, but it sounds like Rivera was supporting his candidacy in order to mess up the Democratic primary. I don't know if that's illegal, but it's definitely unethical.

If you go to the Miami Herald article instead of the TPM page, then you'd see that the Miami Herald said that the various violations that Rivera is alleged to have done has a punishment of up to 5 years in federal prison.


Well then string him up!
 
2012-08-22 06:36:41 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats:

So, basically, while it is not illegal to fund an opposition candidate in a federal election, it *is* illegal to conceal how you're funding said opposition candidate, and/or, to fund it using certain forms of payment?


That is my understanding, yes. The attempt to use envelopes of cash to hide the financial trail is the crime, not the actual funding.

Side note: this is why my friends in India say that the USA has the most transparent bribery system in the world. You have to document your bribes here - they can't quite wrap their mind around that.
 
2012-08-22 06:37:24 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: THIS is the voter fraud you're looking for, GOP

 
2012-08-22 06:49:33 PM  

Otherwise Just Fine: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats:

So, basically, while it is not illegal to fund an opposition candidate in a federal election, it *is* illegal to conceal how you're funding said opposition candidate, and/or, to fund it using certain forms of payment?

That is my understanding, yes. The attempt to use envelopes of cash to hide the financial trail is the crime, not the actual funding.

Side note: this is why my friends in India say that the USA has the most transparent bribery system in the world. You have to document your bribes here - they can't quite wrap their mind around that.


It's long been the contention of many business folks who work internationally that the main disadvantage the US has when it comes to bidding on foreign projects is our inability to bribe in the fashion that our competitors do.

I don't know if it's true that it's the main disadvantage, but, certainly, bribery is much more commonplace and accepted in other countries than the US as being a normal part of business.
 
2012-08-22 07:27:38 PM  

kingoomieiii: Grand_Moff_Joseph: THIS is the voter fraud you're looking for, GOP

MY ONE HOPE IS THAT WHEN THE MEDIA COVERS THIS STORY, THEY CALL IT "ELECTION FRAUD" CONSTANTLY, AND NEVER STOP REFERRING TO HIM AS A "REPUBLICAN".

They won't do that, but I still hope they will.


If Fox covers this at all you can bet they'll be a big "D" after his name.

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2012-08-22 07:32:43 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: THIS is the voter fraud you're looking for, GOP

 
2012-08-22 07:35:38 PM  
GOP 2012

America: If we can't have you no one can
 
2012-08-22 07:37:42 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: THIS is the voter fraud you're looking for, GOP

 
2012-08-22 07:37:50 PM  
VOTER FRAUD & RAPE
G • O • P - 2 • 0 • 1 • 2
 
2012-08-22 07:41:45 PM  
This is the foter vraud you're looking for, goop.
 
2012-08-22 07:43:03 PM  
Whenever the GOP starts freaking out and pointing fingers about a seemingly fabricated boogie man, you can bet your ass they're guilty of doing it.

Romney and Ryan haven't quite mastered the timing of this yet, as they are still freaking out and pointing fingers at people that have already busted them for something.
 
2012-08-22 07:48:27 PM  
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2012-08-22 07:59:42 PM  
Is all this money being spent stimulating the economy? Maybe the Repugs should rethink their cunning plan.
 
2012-08-22 08:05:10 PM  
GOP: *waves hand* this is not the fraud you are looking for. it's only bad when democrats are unethical
 
2012-08-22 08:10:13 PM  
The people who should be punishing these slimeballs are the voters who claim to want good honest government or at least hate bad government yet won't vote for good government even when the choice is obvious. It's sad but many want the crappiest government they can get (and why they want that I can't even begin to guess).
 
2012-08-22 08:12:47 PM  
I guess if you're used to paying hookers to pretend to be your wife ( or girl friend or boy friend), then this just comes naturally.
 
2012-08-22 08:13:24 PM  
Well, you can't have a banana republic without some shady behind-the-scene dealings
 
2012-08-22 08:19:26 PM  
I remember all the outrage when Harry Reid did this in his last election.
Go get 'em, you virtuous farkers!
 
2012-08-22 08:20:12 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: THIS is the voter fraud you're looking for, GOP


WE LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!

"The one-person grand jury -- rarely used in Michigan -- is the same mechanism used in 2010 to investigate the fake tea party candidates in a case that led to fraud-related felony convictions of two Democratic Party operatives. "

http://www.freep.com/article/20120822/NEWS15/308220033/Michigan-Democ r ats-to-ask-for-1-person-grand-jury-in-fake-candidate-scandal

Democrats Back Third Parties to Siphon Votes - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/us/politics/23dems.html?_r=1

So don't mind me while I yawn when you attack a conservative without mentioning the DNC doing the same.
 
2012-08-22 08:21:28 PM  
Should've used a super PAC, dumbass. Launder your own money while you're at it.
 
2012-08-22 08:24:49 PM  
If he's actually charged with anything... Forget the hat, I'll eat my entire outfit.
 
2012-08-22 08:25:50 PM  
This is exactly what happened in Oregon's Congressional District 4.

The man who is now a two-time Republican nominee for the November race (who only became a "politician" essentially due to Citizens United and MILLIONS OF DOLLARS of money from PACs in another part of the country) got his son (who was home schooled and is, literally, a young version of his dad) to change political parties so he could run against the Democratic incumbent in the primary election. Really, all it did was allow him to obtain MORE PAC money and run false advertisements against the incumbent.
 
2012-08-22 08:27:13 PM  
Okay, it's not "exactly" what happened... Art Robinson's son DOES exist, but he makes tea partiers look like Dems by comparison.
 
2012-08-22 08:31:52 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Aarontology: is that legal?

Unethical, probably. I suspect they'll get him on the coverup.

To get the fake guy on the ballot, forged papers would have to have been filed with the election authorities, to include SSNs, addresses, campaign treasurer information, and so on. Wouldn't that constitute election tampering, or at least lying on government documents?

The guy was a real candidate, apparently, but it sounds like Rivera was supporting his candidacy in order to mess up the Democratic primary. I don't know if that's illegal, but it's definitely unethical.


You mean kind of like the Democratic party spending $1.5 million to help Akin win the Missouri GOP Senate primary?
 
2012-08-22 08:34:18 PM  

Scerpes: You mean kind of like the Democratic party spending $1.5 million to help Akin win the Missouri GOP Senate primary?


Actually, that's perfectly legal, and has been done as long as elections have taken place in this country to some capacity.
 
2012-08-22 08:36:17 PM  
Well, not always supported by a "Party," but certainly groups who have associated with various parties.
 
2012-08-22 08:37:19 PM  
Just wait until these Cuban idiots get Cuba back someday, will make Israel actually look like an ally.
 
2012-08-22 08:37:58 PM  
Any relation to this guy?
 
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