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(RealClearPolitics)   Stephanie Cutter, Obama Spin Doctor: Obama has created more jobs than the Reagan recovery   (realclearpolitics.com) divider line 118
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2012-08-22 03:50:04 PM  
Subby, I notice you also left out the Bush recovery which she referenced. Any reason for that?
 
2012-08-22 03:56:43 PM  
Does anyone have an estimate (from somewhere reasonably believable) as to how many jobs were "created" during the "Reagan recovery"? I'd be interested.
 
2012-08-22 04:05:58 PM  
What are the actual numbers? Hard to say. According to the inbreds at FreeRepublic, Obama has a net job loss in his presidency, so you can't rely on them for the math.
 
2012-08-22 04:15:30 PM  
Remember...for Obama it is 'saved & created'.
 
2012-08-22 04:17:30 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Does anyone have an estimate (from somewhere reasonably believable) as to how many jobs were "created" during the "Reagan recovery"? I'd be interested.


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2012-08-22 04:20:38 PM  

ferretman: Remember...for Obama it is 'saved & created'.


You do know that opportunity cost is a legitimate concept, right?
 
2012-08-22 04:27:18 PM  

Mentat: dahmers love zombie: Does anyone have an estimate (from somewhere reasonably believable) as to how many jobs were "created" during the "Reagan recovery"? I'd be interested.

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Nice graph. How much of the 2000s is Obama responsible for? Your graph goes through third quarter 2009, dumb ass.
 
2012-08-22 04:27:58 PM  
To the article:

Stephanie Cutter, Obama deputy campaign manager: Well, I think that worker probably has a good understanding of what's happened over the past four years in terms of the president coming in and seeing 800,000 jobs lost on the day that the president was being sworn in, and seeing the president moving pretty quickly to stem the losses, to turn the economy around, and over the past, you know, 27 months we've created 4.5 million private sector jobs. That's more jobs than in the Bush recovery, in the Reagan recovery, there's obviously more we need to do, and as I said to Mika at the at beginning of the program, I think that unemployed worker probably sees one person in this race trying to move the country forward and that's the president.

Ok, so they state that 4.5 million private sector jobs were created since 2009. How's that stack up with past presidents?

Reagan administration (both terms): 16.1 million
Bush 41 administration: 2.6 million
Clinton administration (both terms): 22.7 million
Bush 43 administration: 1.95 million

So, so far he's below Reagan and Clinton (2 term presidents) and above both Bush's (1 term and 2 term president). Reagan had more in 8 years than Obama. How bout Reagan's first term? That'd be a better comparison.
 
2012-08-22 04:28:38 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Mentat: dahmers love zombie: Does anyone have an estimate (from somewhere reasonably believable) as to how many jobs were "created" during the "Reagan recovery"? I'd be interested.

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Nice graph. How much of the 2000s is Obama responsible for? Your graph goes through third quarter 2009, dumb ass.


Or I may have just bitten on trollbait.
 
2012-08-22 04:29:28 PM  

Mentat: ferretman: Remember...for Obama it is 'saved & created'.

You do know that opportunity cost is a legitimate concept, right?


Only for all economists.
 
2012-08-22 04:31:03 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Mentat: dahmers love zombie: Does anyone have an estimate (from somewhere reasonably believable) as to how many jobs were "created" during the "Reagan recovery"? I'd be interested.

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Nice graph. How much of the 2000s is Obama responsible for? Your graph goes through third quarter 2009, dumb ass.


Thank you dumbshiat, I know that. It's an old chart but the question was how many jobs were created during the Reagan period and this chart shows that.
 
2012-08-22 04:39:54 PM  
talkingpointsmemo.com

jerrykhachoyan.com 

talkingpointsmemo.com

Not bad for a socialist.
 
2012-08-22 04:45:39 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me:
Not bad for a socialist.


Yeah - Reagan did ok.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-22 04:49:09 PM  

vygramul: Dusk-You-n-Me:
Not bad for a socialist.

Yeah - Reagan did ok.


He did in a way. Cuts to government spending cut demand which hurts the economy. Regan's spending was effectively a stimulus.
 
2012-08-22 05:06:49 PM  

Mentat: AdolfOliverPanties: Mentat: dahmers love zombie: Does anyone have an estimate (from somewhere reasonably believable) as to how many jobs were "created" during the "Reagan recovery"? I'd be interested.

[img3.imageshack.us image 500x393]

Nice graph. How much of the 2000s is Obama responsible for? Your graph goes through third quarter 2009, dumb ass.

Thank you dumbshiat, I know that. It's an old chart but the question was how many jobs were created during the Reagan period and this chart shows that.


Fair enough. I apologize, I suppose.
 
2012-08-22 05:14:02 PM  
Wow. That's quite a whopper she told there.

How shocking to see an Obama supporter lying on tv.
 
2012-08-22 05:23:31 PM  

MeinRS6: Wow. That's quite a whopper she told there.

How shocking to see an Obama supporter lying on tv.


You have the stats to prove her wrong, then?
 
2012-08-22 05:29:48 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: MeinRS6: Wow. That's quite a whopper she told there.

How shocking to see an Obama supporter lying on tv.

You have the stats to prove her wrong, then?


How about just some plain old reality? The Reagan recovery was a boom time for the entire nation.

Obama's presidency has been the opposite. So maybe you can find some graph on a libby website, but you can't change reality.

Maybe she's comparing some very specific period of time, where Reagan didn't spend the trillions of taxpayer money that Obama did to make up gov't jobs, to make her claim. As a whole it is very misleading and laughable.
 
2012-08-22 05:31:50 PM  

MeinRS6: cameroncrazy1984: MeinRS6: Wow. That's quite a whopper she told there.

How shocking to see an Obama supporter lying on tv.

You have the stats to prove her wrong, then?

How about just some plain old reality? The Reagan recovery was a boom time for the entire nation.

Obama's presidency has been the opposite. So maybe you can find some graph on a libby website, but you can't change reality.

Maybe she's comparing some very specific period of time, where Reagan didn't spend the trillions of taxpayer money that Obama did to make up gov't jobs, to make her claim. As a whole it is very misleading and laughable.


So...no stats then. Got it.
 
2012-08-22 05:42:45 PM  

MeinRS6: cameroncrazy1984: MeinRS6: Wow. That's quite a whopper she told there.

How shocking to see an Obama supporter lying on tv.

You have the stats to prove her wrong, then?

How about just some plain old reality? The Reagan recovery was a boom time for the entire nation.

Obama's presidency has been the opposite. So maybe you can find some graph on a libby website, but you can't change reality.

Maybe she's comparing some very specific period of time, where Reagan didn't spend the trillions of taxpayer money that Obama did to make up gov't jobs, to make her claim. As a whole it is very misleading and laughable.


That's a hell of a lot of conjecture for someone who was so sure a second ago that she was empirically wrong. You made a definitive assertion. Where is your data?
 
2012-08-22 05:49:35 PM  
Here's a stat for ya - 100% of the people that think the economy under Obama is better than it was under Reagan are pants-on-the-head retarded.
 
2012-08-22 05:52:36 PM  

MeinRS6: Reagan didn't spend the trillions of taxpayer money that Obama did to make up gov't jobs


mediamatters.org

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=7yD
 
2012-08-22 05:53:41 PM  

MeinRS6: Here's a stat for ya - 100% of the people that think the economy under Obama is better than it was under Reagan are pants-on-the-head retarded.


It's not a stat if you make it up. It's really okay to admit you were wrong. We can't possibly think any less of you.
 
2012-08-22 05:55:57 PM  

Ed Finnerty: MeinRS6: cameroncrazy1984: MeinRS6: Wow. That's quite a whopper she told there.

How shocking to see an Obama supporter lying on tv.

You have the stats to prove her wrong, then?

How about just some plain old reality? The Reagan recovery was a boom time for the entire nation.

Obama's presidency has been the opposite. So maybe you can find some graph on a libby website, but you can't change reality.

Maybe she's comparing some very specific period of time, where Reagan didn't spend the trillions of taxpayer money that Obama did to make up gov't jobs, to make her claim. As a whole it is very misleading and laughable.

So...no stats then. Got it.


His entire comment was the very definition of the word "truthiness". The 80s just FELT better -- damn your facts and graphs and reality, this is something I believe in my gut -- ergo Obama sucks.
 
2012-08-22 06:03:59 PM  
Maybe she shouldn't have referenced the "Reagan recovery". Maybe she was talking about how things were slow right after Reagan took over from Carter.

The Reagan recovery was nothing like the economy from 2009 to the present. So that's the laughable part of her statement.
 
2012-08-22 06:06:01 PM  

MeinRS6: Maybe she's comparing some very specific period of time, where Reagan didn't spend the trillions of taxpayer money that Obama did to make up gov't jobs, to make her claim. As a whole it is very misleading and laughable.


Government spending has gone down since Obama took office. Same with public sector (government) jobs. Down down down.

Do you know this and just claim the opposite? Or do you not care that reality is in opposition to your beliefs and ignore it because Obama is so bad that you don't need to see "stats" and "reality" or whatever, you just want him out of office at all costs? Or are you not aware of the facts at all, and don't even bother checking them because you're convinced Obama is bad and that's that? 

I wonder if you can actually answer one of the three questions above, or if you will just spin off into some rant about how Biden said "chains" and therefore we should impeach Obama or whatever....
 
2012-08-22 06:07:25 PM  

MeinRS6: Maybe she shouldn't have referenced the "Reagan recovery". Maybe she was talking about how things were slow right after Reagan took over from Carter.

The Reagan recovery was nothing like the economy from 2009 to the present. So that's the laughable part of her statement.


B b b but Carter
 
2012-08-22 06:12:49 PM  
I remember the Reagan years. The speed of that recovery was tough on money. Mortgages were at 14%. car loans at 18%. CDs actually paid double digit percentages and checking account interest checks broke double digits.
 
2012-08-22 06:14:04 PM  

DeltaPunch: Government spending has gone down since Obama took office.


So Obama hasn't added anything to the nation's debt? There's not some big number out there in reality? That's all just fiction?
 
2012-08-22 06:16:15 PM  

MeinRS6: cameroncrazy1984: MeinRS6: Wow. That's quite a whopper she told there.

How shocking to see an Obama supporter lying on tv.

You have the stats to prove her wrong, then?

How about just some plain old reality? The Reagan recovery was a boom time for the entire nation.

Obama's presidency has been the opposite. So maybe you can find some graph on a libby website, but you can't change reality.

Maybe she's comparing some very specific period of time, where Reagan didn't spend the trillions of taxpayer money that Obama did to make up gov't jobs, to make her claim. As a whole it is very misleading and laughable.


That Reagan didn't inherit a world of shiat and cooked books kinda tilts the stats a little too.
 
2012-08-22 06:16:59 PM  

MeinRS6: How about just some plain old reality? The Reagan recovery was a boom time for the entire nation


The reality is that the unemployment rate under Reagan got to 10%. Much higher than at any point during Obama's presidency to date.
 
2012-08-22 06:21:12 PM  

MeinRS6: So Obama hasn't added anything to the nation's debt?


Yes. Obama's new policies cost about $1.44 trillion in debt when extrapolated from 2009 to 2017. So about $175B per year.
 
2012-08-22 06:27:59 PM  

MeinRS6: DeltaPunch: Government spending has gone down since Obama took office.

So Obama hasn't added anything to the nation's debt? There's not some big number out there in reality? That's all just fiction?


We're spending less now than when he took office. Obama has lowered spending. Since you're so worried about our budget, I'm sure you won't be first in line to vote for Rmoney, the guy who's going to balloon our deficit by throwing billions in unpaid tax cuts at the rich...
 
2012-08-22 06:59:27 PM  

kronicfeld: MeinRS6: So Obama hasn't added anything to the nation's debt?

Yes. Obama's new policies cost about $1.44 trillion in debt when extrapolated from 2009 to 2017. So about $175B per year.


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2012-08-22 07:04:21 PM  

Mentat: dahmers love zombie: Does anyone have an estimate (from somewhere reasonably believable) as to how many jobs were "created" during the "Reagan recovery"? I'd be interested.

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that's not what was said, or asked for.
 
2012-08-22 07:04:25 PM  
Considering the number of working-age Americans is exactly the same as it was in 1982, that's very impressive, Mr. President.
 
2012-08-22 07:05:26 PM  

MeinRS6: Wow. That's quite a whopper she told there.

How shocking to see an Obama supporter lying on tv.


What did she have wrong? Just saying something is wrong doesn't make it so.
 
2012-08-22 07:07:59 PM  
Kinda funny this. In the 80s, people were wondering when the heck we'd have to pay for Reagan's outrageous deficits. I guess it's starting.
 
2012-08-22 07:08:26 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Mentat: dahmers love zombie: Does anyone have an estimate (from somewhere reasonably believable) as to how many jobs were "created" during the "Reagan recovery"? I'd be interested.

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Nice graph. How much of the 2000s is Obama responsible for? Your graph goes through third quarter 2009, dumb ass.


Seriously? Have you not heard of...

www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-08-22 07:08:36 PM  

MeinRS6: DeltaPunch: Government spending has gone down since Obama took office.

So Obama hasn't added anything to the nation's debt? There's not some big number out there in reality? That's all just fiction?


"Slow down!"
"I did! I was going 70, now I'm going 55!"
"So we're stopped now?"

Idiot.
 
2012-08-22 07:12:21 PM  

IlGreven: MeinRS6: DeltaPunch: Government spending has gone down since Obama took office.

So Obama hasn't added anything to the nation's debt? There's not some big number out there in reality? That's all just fiction?

"Slow down!"
"I did! I was going 70, now I'm going 55!"
"So we're stopped now?"

Idiot.


Yes, we're all idiots for making relative comparisons instead of assuming that Obama is secretly a magical dictator who can erase deficits with a wave of his wand.
 
2012-08-22 07:12:37 PM  

MeinRS6: DeltaPunch: Government spending has gone down since Obama took office.

So Obama hasn't added anything to the nation's debt? There's not some big number out there in reality? That's all just fiction?


You really don't understand basic math do you?

Reducing the deficit doesn't mean it's zero! Do you the difference between debt, deficit and rate of increase?

You seem to have no idea of what you are talking about.
 
2012-08-22 07:13:50 PM  

MeinRS6: Here's a stat for ya - 100% of the people that think the economy under Obama is better than it was under Reagan are pants-on-the-head retarded.


So, you got nothin' but Limbaugh's word for it. Check.
 
2012-08-22 07:14:02 PM  
You just get stupider and stupider as time goes on. I'm quite impressed. I thought you had hit rock bottom months ago...but your dumb ass just keeps digging.
 
2012-08-22 07:14:18 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 600x467]

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Not bad for a socialist.


especially considering most of those jobs lost were public sector jobs.
 
2012-08-22 07:14:29 PM  

MrEricSir: IlGreven: MeinRS6: DeltaPunch: Government spending has gone down since Obama took office.

So Obama hasn't added anything to the nation's debt? There's not some big number out there in reality? That's all just fiction?

"Slow down!"
"I did! I was going 70, now I'm going 55!"
"So we're stopped now?"

Idiot.

Yes, we're all idiots for making relative comparisons instead of assuming that Obama is secretly a magical dictator who can erase deficits with a wave of his wand.


...are you even reading the argument?
 
2012-08-22 07:14:47 PM  
Stephanie Cutter, Obama Spin Doctor: Obama has created more jobs than the Reagan recovery

I think they're both princes.
 
2012-08-22 07:15:29 PM  

MeinRS6: I am very misleading and laughable.


Yes, we know, pumpkin.
 
2012-08-22 07:16:43 PM  

Loucifer: Stephanie Cutter, Obama Spin Doctor: Obama has created more jobs than the Reagan recovery

I think they're both princes.


Besides, that little miss can't be wrong...
 
2012-08-22 07:29:11 PM  

vpb: vygramul: Dusk-You-n-Me:
Not bad for a socialist.

Yeah - Reagan did ok.

He did in a way. Cuts to government spending cut demand which hurts the economy. Regan's spending was effectively a stimulus.


It was bigtime stimulus. I was an aerospace machinist/engineer in the 80-90's. I was living in L.A.. The Times usually had 14 pages of jobs I was somewhat qualified for in every Sunday paper. In fact if you did any kind of manufacturing you had no problem picking and choosing jobs. The manufacturing capacity of southern CA alone during that time is simply mind boggling.
 
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