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(Daily Mail)   Yesterday: British judge lets pedophile go on holiday to a kiddie resort as long as he behaves. Today: British judge lets pensioner-bashing thug off on a suspended sentence because he was 'terrified of jail'. Tomorrow: ????   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-08-22 05:15:12 PM  
Tomorrow I move to Britain.
 
2012-08-22 05:22:00 PM  
Profit?
 
2012-08-22 05:26:55 PM  
He fixes the cable?
 
2012-08-22 05:38:33 PM  
Maybe he gave the thug a free pass to the kids resort and a picture of the pedo?

If that happened, I approve of his actions.
 
2012-08-22 05:38:57 PM  

KingPsyz: Maybe he gave the thug a free pass to the kids resort and a picture of the pedo?

If that happened, I approve of his actions.


Truly, a modern Solomon.
 
2012-08-22 05:39:14 PM  
But are they still taking people's babies and adopting them out immediately on the first report of child abuse without investigating the charges? I really love that part of the UK.
 
2012-08-22 05:39:44 PM  
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You cheeky scamp! I don't want to see you in this court again!
 
2012-08-22 05:44:29 PM  
What a shiatty bong, plastic is for 16 year-olds...
 
2012-08-22 05:44:56 PM  
But seriously, though, prison is a terrible place and anyone in their right mind would be afraid of it. A judge showing compassion to someone who was obviously scared straight is a triumph of the criminal justice and rehabilitation system.

But by all means, murder the pedos and rape the drug users, right? LOL that shiat is funnay!

No, its not.
 
2012-08-22 05:46:46 PM  
 
2012-08-22 05:50:49 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: But seriously, though, prison is a terrible place and anyone in their right mind would be afraid of it. A judge showing compassion to someone who was obviously scared straight is a triumph of the criminal justice and rehabilitation system.


I would tend to disagree, as the criminal justice system is, fundamentally, one that is an instrument of fear. The kind of people who go around punching the elderly and taking their stuff aren't exactly going to be guided by a solid moral compass, and need more stick and less carrot.

That said, I'm sure that UK prisons are in need of dramatic reform just like American ones are. I would start by keeping the non-violent offenders out, which means this dirtbag would still find himself staring out of a set of bars.
 
2012-08-22 05:50:55 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: But seriously, though, prison is a terrible place and anyone in their right mind would be afraid of it. A judge showing compassion to someone who was obviously scared straight is a triumph of the criminal justice and rehabilitation system.


You are correct; crime is best reduced by enacting strict punishments for victimizing others, and then never actually enforcing those punishments on individuals found guilty of doing so.
 
2012-08-22 05:56:01 PM  
I understood basically none of the Facebook posts.
 
2012-08-22 05:58:57 PM  

gopher321: He fixes the cable?


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2012-08-22 05:59:43 PM  
If I ever decide to turn to a life of crime, I'm moving to England. I can break into a home and by law, harming me will result in worse punishments than what I'd get for tresspassing and burglary. Their police force is for the most part unarmed, and judges evidently go soft on criminals.
 
2012-08-22 06:03:27 PM  
let's be honest, during times of fiscal difficulty/recession, 'tough on crime' becomes 'oh fark me, another mouth to feed in jail?' and a LOT of offenders who would get sent away during boom times walk.
 
2012-08-22 06:08:45 PM  

The Muthaship: I understood basically none of the Facebook posts.


Clearly you have no idea how it feels when u of tag
 
2012-08-22 06:11:34 PM  
Tomorrow: A British judge declares zero-tolerance policies, mandatory sentencing and public opinion courts have made his job redundant. He applies for a job as a school administrator, where he doesn't have to make decisions. For the rest of his days he just writes out punishments according to the code as a self-loathing magistrate and champion of the law.
 
2012-08-22 06:13:37 PM  

signine: AverageAmericanGuy: But seriously, though, prison is a terrible place and anyone in their right mind would be afraid of it. A judge showing compassion to someone who was obviously scared straight is a triumph of the criminal justice and rehabilitation system.

I would tend to disagree, as the criminal justice system is, fundamentally, one that is an instrument of fear. The kind of people who go around punching the elderly and taking their stuff aren't exactly going to be guided by a solid moral compass, and need more stick and less carrot.

That said, I'm sure that UK prisons are in need of dramatic reform just like American ones are. I would start by keeping the non-violent offenders out, which means this dirtbag would still find himself staring out of a set of bars.


If you want to talk fundamentals, then you are not quite right. Primarily the justice system is one of rehabilitation. It is only a place of fear because we became lazy and too cowardly to keep it from becoming a place of random violence and abuse.
 
2012-08-22 06:23:36 PM  

GnuUzir: What a shiatty bong, plastic is for 16 year-olds...


Or people with dogs. Wagging tails have caused many a shattered pipe.
 
2012-08-22 06:24:58 PM  

kim jong-un: If you want to talk fundamentals, then you are not quite right. Primarily the justice system is one of rehabilitation. It is only a place of fear because we became lazy and too cowardly to keep it from becoming a place of random violence and abuse.


I agree with the concept, but no justice system in the history of man has proven to be terribly good at rehabilitation versus punishment. We'll need to examine that from a completely different perspective from incarceration to get to the point where "rehabilitation" is something that actually happens.

That said, with the existing system, if you stop punishing people because they're afraid of being punished then your criminal justice system serves no purpose whatsoever. At that point you might as well start telling cops not to arrest people, because criminals are afraid of being arrested! While the slippery slope fallacy exists in that one, it's also not far off from what we're actually discussing.

That said, we have the technology to monitor where people are and what they're doing. Why should we put them in a big concrete box with other criminals? That seems stupid, unless they're actually dangerous. Instead let's get those jerks into some therapy and job training, garnish their future wages to pay for it, and keep track of their location with some sort of device to make sure they're not up to no good for a few years. Sure, I'm sure having to piss in a cup once a week and being limited in your activities would be "punishment," but it's not like you're throwing them into a dirtbag training ground for rape and violence.
 
2012-08-22 06:30:57 PM  
That's a crappy bong, he should go to jail for bragging about it.
/Why would the daily mail need to define what a bong is for it's readers?
 
2012-08-22 06:31:12 PM  

kim jong-un: signine: AverageAmericanGuy: But seriously, though, prison is a terrible place and anyone in their right mind would be afraid of it. A judge showing compassion to someone who was obviously scared straight is a triumph of the criminal justice and rehabilitation system.

I would tend to disagree, as the criminal justice system is, fundamentally, one that is an instrument of fear. The kind of people who go around punching the elderly and taking their stuff aren't exactly going to be guided by a solid moral compass, and need more stick and less carrot.

That said, I'm sure that UK prisons are in need of dramatic reform just like American ones are. I would start by keeping the non-violent offenders out, which means this dirtbag would still find himself staring out of a set of bars.

If you want to talk fundamentals, then you are not quite right. Primarily the justice system is one of rehabilitation. It is only a place of fear because we became lazy and too cowardly to keep it from becoming a place of random violence and abuse.


Actually, at this point it is neither. It's the unholy bastard child of good intentions and vengeance. We don't really lock people up for crimes anymore, because we have this belief that at least some of them can be rehabilitated; and we don't really rehabilitate them because we have this belief that they are all beyond redemption and only harsh punishment will work. So what we have instead is a concrete hotel where people go to sit around a while and then get released.

I heard an interview with a California prison warden (I think it was CA) lamenting this very fact: to paraphrase, he said, "We need to decide whether we are rehabilitating criminals or warehousing them and then do one or the other, because right now we're doing a half-assed job at both." And he's absolutely right.
 
2012-08-22 06:33:41 PM  

signine: But are they still taking people's babies and adopting them out immediately on the first report of child abuse without investigating the charges? I really love that part of the UK.


Really, last I heard, with say "Baby P" the criticism being leveled at them was being repeatedly warned of dangerously abusive parents and doing nothing about it, and then soon after the baby turns up battered to death.
 
2012-08-22 06:38:13 PM  
Reminds me a bit of Theodore Frank. He kidnapped a 4 year old girl in the small California town I grew up in, then raped her and tortured her to death with a pair of vice-grip pliers. One of his death row appeals to commute his sentence was because he was an old man who was afraid to die.

/He died of natural causes.
 
2012-08-22 06:44:49 PM  
Next time I go to a white trash party I'm dressing like a chav
 
2012-08-22 06:46:01 PM  

Eirik: Reminds me a bit of Theodore Frank. He kidnapped a 4 year old girl in the small California town I grew up in, then raped her and tortured her to death with a pair of vice-grip pliers. One of his death row appeals to commute his sentence was because he was an old man who was afraid to die.

/He died of natural causes.


you raped a girl?
i'm proud of it
 
2012-08-22 07:17:44 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: That's a crappy bong, he should go to jail for bragging about it.
/Why would the daily mail need to define what a bong is for it's readers?


Because some of them are so dumb, they don't know when to use its vs. it's.
 
2012-08-22 07:21:00 PM  
Keep telling us about how terrible our English is, Brits.
 
2012-08-22 07:34:41 PM  
the purpose of our prison system is to provide jobs and underfunded pensions to unionized public sector employees.

/ why yes, I do live in California.
 
2012-08-22 07:36:50 PM  
On for pity's sake people, it's the Daily Mail! It's a blatantly racist piece of crap that makes Fox News look fair and balanced. Either they made the whole thing up or they've exaggerated something so much it doesn't even bear a passing resemblance to what actually happened.
 
2012-08-22 07:43:45 PM  
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2012-08-22 07:45:28 PM  
Oh well gee, look at that. The other story in the headline came from the Daily Mail too. I'm sure the article was perfectly accurate and in no way the Daily Mail pushing their agenda and trolling for page views. Again.
 
2012-08-22 08:12:20 PM  
This kind of crap is how we ended up with minimum sentance laws.
 
2012-08-22 08:13:12 PM  

jmadisonbiii: [cdn.motinetwork.net image 500x500]


Somehow, I'm thinking that the Burberry hat is counterfeit, or does Burberry sell ball caps (with crooked patterns at that)?

What's his fixation with dollar signs? His lowlife counterparts in the U.S., Australia, Canada, NZ, HK, and other lands with dollars don't wear bling shaped like the symbols for the pound, euro, yen, sheqel, or won, do they? OK, maybe some Hong Kong chavs like yuan symbols; I could see that -- and maybe greasers in the SW US dig the peso symbol -- but seriously, dollars?
 
2012-08-22 08:37:14 PM  

DesktopHippie: Oh well gee, look at that. The other story in the headline came from the Daily Mail too. I'm sure the article was perfectly accurate and in no way the Daily Mail pushing their agenda and trolling for page views. Again.


Just because you find the story implausible doesn't mean it didn't happen. Or that anything ELSE being discussed here is invalid.
 
2012-08-22 09:02:51 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Chavs like to imitate American "hip-hop culture", ergo the dollar signs.


Ah, so they're "attractive and successful Caucasian-Americans" (white nig...erians)
 
2012-08-22 09:04:48 PM  
AverageAmericanGuy: But seriously, though, prison is a terrible place and anyone in their right mind would be afraid of it. A judge showing compassion to someone who was obviously scared straight is a triumph of the criminal justice and rehabilitation system.

Wait, what's there to be afraid of now?
 
2012-08-22 09:29:28 PM  
Wow, some message the judge sends. This kid is clearly going to reoffend so why jeopardize public safety, this wasn't some petty shoplifting charge. Unreal.
 
2012-08-22 09:35:32 PM  
I heard an interview with a California prison warden (I think it was CA) lamenting this very fact: to paraphrase, he said, "We need to decide whether we are rehabilitating criminals or warehousing them and then do one or the other, because right now we're doing a half-assed job at both." And he's absolutely right.

Prison's overcrowded with low level drug offenders. You have to do something about that, first. You can't "rehabilitate" a drug dealer. He does a job, because he wants/needs money. When he gets out he's expected to do a job, because he needs/wants money. Except that now he can't get a job because he has a record. So he sells drugs.
 
2012-08-22 10:11:02 PM  
Tomorrow, Britian storms the embassy to get that evil "may have raped someone" Julian Assange!
 
2012-08-22 10:17:56 PM  

detritus: Tomorrow, Britian storms the embassy to get that evil "may have raped someone" Julian Assange!


Place your bet, I'll cover it.
 
2012-08-22 11:53:29 PM  

Eirik: Reminds me a bit of Theodore Frank. He kidnapped a 4 year old girl in the small California town I grew up in, then raped her and tortured her to death with a pair of vice-grip pliers. One of his death row appeals to commute his sentence was because he was an old man who was afraid to die.

/He died of natural causes.


I had to go look that dude up. that's some farked up shiat right there man.

/fark
 
2012-08-23 04:32:22 AM  
I call shenanigans. If this were proper burglary dwelling combined with ABH this would have gone up to Crown straight away. I doubt the facts are as The Daily Fail are reporting.
 
2012-08-23 06:01:24 AM  

Gyrfalcon: DesktopHippie: Oh well gee, look at that. The other story in the headline came from the Daily Mail too. I'm sure the article was perfectly accurate and in no way the Daily Mail pushing their agenda and trolling for page views. Again.

Just because you find the story implausible doesn't mean it didn't happen. Or that anything ELSE being discussed here is invalid.


IT'S THE DAILY MAIL! They are NOT a valid news source! At all! You want me to believe this happened? Quote a REAL newspaper!
 
2012-08-23 06:48:47 AM  

surfrider: Wow, some message the judge sends. This kid is clearly going to reoffend so why jeopardize public safety, this wasn't some petty shoplifting charge. Unreal.


This was Magistrates court so not a Judge as such. A Lay Judge, Justice of the Peace or Magistrate (all the same thing).

Magistrates normally sit as a bench of three and likely did here (although magistrates can sit as one if not a trial, it isn't that common).

Anyway, that aside I find the details given highly suspect. Unless you are in the room you are only hearing what The Daily Mail want to tell you.
 
2012-08-23 07:43:10 AM  
at least it's weed and NOT crack, or else EVERYONE would be up in ARMS (but the British Judge)
 
2012-08-23 08:02:01 AM  
This headline is why I have Kitten Block installed. I never get to see any Daily Fail scare stories, even by accident.
 
2012-08-23 08:44:46 AM  

Great Janitor: If I ever decide to turn to a life of crime, I'm moving to England. I can break into a home and by law, harming me will result in worse punishments than what I'd get for tresspassing and burglary. Their police force is for the most part unarmed, and judges evidently go soft on criminals.


Don't forget you can break into someone's house while they are on vacation, change the locks, and now it's your house! The police can't do anything because it's now a civil matter. And woe betide the previous home owner if he tries to remove you by force. Sure, he might get a court order to evict you in a few months, but by then you've eaten all his food, ran up $30k in on demand porn charges, and shiat all over his living room rug.
 
2012-08-23 08:52:53 AM  

MythDragon: Great Janitor: If I ever decide to turn to a life of crime, I'm moving to England. I can break into a home and by law, harming me will result in worse punishments than what I'd get for tresspassing and burglary. Their police force is for the most part unarmed, and judges evidently go soft on criminals.

Don't forget you can break into someone's house while they are on vacation, change the locks, and now it's your house! The police can't do anything because it's now a civil matter. And woe betide the previous home owner if he tries to remove you by force. Sure, he might get a court order to evict you in a few months, but by then you've eaten all his food, ran up $30k in on demand porn charges, and shiat all over his living room rug.



Oh, I forgot about that!

Sir, thank you for just saving me a grand on hotel expenses when I go over to England this fall.
 
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