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(Huffington Post)   Politics 101: According to Title 26 of U.S. Code Section 6103, Harry Reid can get his grubby hands on all of Romney's tax returns any time he wants, but he's gonna grandstand about it instead. Suck it, Dems   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 153
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2012-08-22 12:52:23 PM
But even if Reid did request and receive Romney's tax returns, it's unlikely that he would be able to share any information about them with the public, unless Romney himself consented to the disclosure. Members of Congress can see the returns without Romney's consent, provided that any committee viewing the information is "sitting in closed executive session."

Well that would settle everything.
 
2012-08-22 01:07:06 PM
so he won't force them to hand over the returns and he is "grandstanding". yet if he actually went through with it can you imagine the g.o.poutrage?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-22 01:20:09 PM
Of for those of us who are intelligent enough to think through the implications:

Reid knew exactly what he was talking about when he said Romney paid no taxes, but being authorized to see them doesn't give him the authority to make them public.
 
2012-08-22 01:21:14 PM
"A request by anyone except a tax-writing committee has to be accompanied by a Senate or House resolution,"

hey subby, your headline is retarded. you might as well have written "harry reid can legalize drunk driving" both propositions have the same likelihood of getting through congress.
 
2012-08-22 01:25:30 PM
This is the bigger issue here folks:

Romney has denied Reid's tax allegations and said last week that he had paid federal income taxes at a rate of at least 13 percent every year for the past decade.

Last year I paid about 18%. Why does a multimillionaire pay smaller slice of his salary than I do, and in a recession especially? Actually, we're not sure he even paid that much, because he won't release the papers.

Of course the dems are grandstanding this. If the IRS had enough evidence to prosecute tax fraud, they would have. They don't; which means that Romney did something unethical, but not necessarily illegal (yes, paying taxes is part of ethics as a citizen of this country, like it or not).
 
2012-08-22 01:31:45 PM

Nofun: This is the bigger issue here folks:

Romney has denied Reid's tax allegations and said last week that he had paid federal income taxes at a rate of at least 13 percent every year for the past decade.

Last year I paid about 18%. Why does a multimillionaire pay smaller slice of his salary than I do, and in a recession especially? Actually, we're not sure he even paid that much, because he won't release the papers.

Of course the dems are grandstanding this. If the IRS had enough evidence to prosecute tax fraud, they would have. They don't; which means that Romney did something unethical, but not necessarily illegal (yes, paying taxes is part of ethics as a citizen of this country, like it or not).


Yeah, and who wants an ethical president?
 
2012-08-22 01:44:47 PM

Nofun: Last year I paid about 18%. Why does a multimillionaire pay smaller slice of his salary than I do, and in a recession especially? Actually, we're not sure he even paid that much, because he won't release the papers.


his income isn't just salary. if it was, there's no way he'd be anywhere close to 13%. unfortunately, the tax code is written in a way that taxes various baskets of income differently. recession or no recession, no american is under any obligation to pay more taxes than the law dictates. anger at romney on this issue is somewhat misguided. i'm sure he has lobbied for more favorable tax treatment for himself, but he couldn't pass the laws on his own.


Of course the dems are grandstanding this. If the IRS had enough evidence to prosecute tax fraud, they would have. They don't; which means that Romney did something unethical, but not necessarily illegal (yes, paying taxes is part of ethics as a citizen of this country, like it or not).

there's no proof he's done anything unethical and there's no proof he isn't under IRS investigation. he very well may be in one of the various voluntary offshore disclosure initiatives that were implemented by the IRS over the past few years. we just don't know and unless he tells us, we won't know.
 
2012-08-22 01:51:31 PM

Nofun: This is the bigger issue here folks:

Romney has denied Reid's tax allegations and said last week that he had paid federal income taxes at a rate of at least 13 percent every year for the past decade.


Actually, he didn't say "federal income tax." He just said taxes.
 
2012-08-22 02:03:57 PM

vpb: Of for those of us who are intelligent enough to think through the implications:

Reid knew exactly what he was talking about when he said Romney paid no taxes, but being authorized to see them doesn't give him the authority to make them public.


If he saw them and made any comment about any aspect of them, he would violating the rules as well.
 
2012-08-22 02:06:22 PM
A request by anyone except a tax-writing committee has to be accompanied by a Senate or House resolution," said Rebecca Wilkins, senior tax counsel at Citizens for Tax Justice.

so basically that's not going to happen in the history of ever.
 
2012-08-22 02:08:12 PM
Senate Republicans, however, would likely filibuster any formal resolution to see their presumptive presidential nominee's returns.

Reid knows this. He knows if he requested it, it would be denied. He also knows how petty it would look for a Democrat to make such a request. It would be politically unwise, especially when he can make Romney look a twat instead.
 
2012-08-22 02:10:44 PM
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We have been TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

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What she said! The only way to get the economy back into shape is to lower taxes on job creators.

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Well Mitt, you were a job creator. How about you show us your taxes so we know what our starting point would be?

thedailybanter.com
THAT'S SOCIALIST CLASS WARFARE

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Son, I am disappoint.

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Salty. Wet. Sad.
Tears? But father, you said crying was something I could never do.
 
2012-08-22 02:24:34 PM
Why is he a dumbass? By putting the onus on Romney, he allows Romney to protray himself as a man with something to hide and insures that the issue remains in the public eye going into the convention.
 
2012-08-22 02:27:24 PM

Mentat: Why is he a dumbass? By putting the onus on Romney, he allows Romney to protray himself as a man with something to hide and insures that the issue remains in the public eye going into the convention.


it's actually rather clever. so much so that i'm having difficulty believing Reid thought it up all on his own.
 
2012-08-22 02:42:15 PM

Weaver95: Mentat: Why is he a dumbass? By putting the onus on Romney, he allows Romney to protray himself as a man with something to hide and insures that the issue remains in the public eye going into the convention.

it's actually rather clever. so much so that i'm having difficulty believing Reid thought it up all on his own.


Of course he didn't. This stuff is cooked up in thinktanks and focus-grouped out to the hilt. On both sides. Which is why I find gaffes like Todd Akin's so amusing because that stuff isn't on script. LOL
 
2012-08-22 02:43:44 PM

make me some tea: Weaver95: Mentat: Why is he a dumbass? By putting the onus on Romney, he allows Romney to protray himself as a man with something to hide and insures that the issue remains in the public eye going into the convention.

it's actually rather clever. so much so that i'm having difficulty believing Reid thought it up all on his own.

Of course he didn't. This stuff is cooked up in thinktanks and focus-grouped out to the hilt. On both sides. Which is why I find gaffes like Todd Akin's so amusing because that stuff isn't on script. LOL


...and you can tell it's nonscripted when the outrage is coming from both sides. If it's only one side that gets angried up it's been focus grouped already.
 
2012-08-22 02:50:16 PM
Maybe I'm reading the article incorrectly, but from what I get, he can't actually do what subby is suggesting.

First:
According to Title 26 of U.S. Code Section 6103, the treasury secretary can disclose any personal tax return to the president "or to such employee or employees of the White House Office as the President may designate."

Harry Reid isn't an employee of the White House. I know some of you don't understand this, but there are three separate branches of government in this country.

Members of ... the Senate Finance Committee, the House Ways and Means Committee, and the Joint Committee on Taxation ... can access individual tax returns. The chairman of any other congressional committee can also obtain access for his or her entire panel, provided the request meets one caveat:

"A request by anyone except a tax-writing committee has to be accompanied by a Senate or House resolution," said Rebecca Wilkins, senior tax counsel at Citizens for Tax Justice.


Since Reid isn't a member of any of the taxation committees, he'd have to get the Senate or House resolution. Good luck with that.

And even if he somehow managed to get them, he couldn't do anything with them:
Members of Congress can see the returns without Romney's consent, provided that any committee viewing the information is "sitting in closed executive session."
 
2012-08-22 02:53:42 PM

timujin: Maybe I'm reading the article incorrectly, but from what I get, he can't actually do what subby is suggesting.


Subby would never do that! *sobbing* Subby?!
 
2012-08-22 03:03:02 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: It would be politically unwise


If you can get the term "tax return" and "Romney" in the news at every chance, it is a politically helpful. Not necessarily for Reid personally but for the DNC you have to play your trump card as frequently as possible.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-22 03:05:41 PM

mrshowrules: vpb: Of for those of us who are intelligent enough to think through the implications:

Reid knew exactly what he was talking about when he said Romney paid no taxes, but being authorized to see them doesn't give him the authority to make them public.

If he saw them and made any comment about any aspect of them, he would violating the rules as well.


If he admitted that, yes. If he saw them but just stated that someone called them and told him that Romney didn't pay taxes, then he isn't violating any law.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-22 03:08:34 PM

Weaver95: A request by anyone except a tax-writing committee has to be accompanied by a Senate or House resolution," said Rebecca Wilkins, senior tax counsel at Citizens for Tax Justice.

so basically that's not going to happen in the history of ever.


Actually, TFA says that the President can authorize someone to see the returns.

According to Title 26 of U.S. Code Section 6103, the treasury secretary can disclose any personal tax return to the president "or to such employee or employees of the White House Office as the President may designate."
 
2012-08-22 03:14:00 PM

vpb: mrshowrules: vpb: Of for those of us who are intelligent enough to think through the implications:

Reid knew exactly what he was talking about when he said Romney paid no taxes, but being authorized to see them doesn't give him the authority to make them public.

If he saw them and made any comment about any aspect of them, he would violating the rules as well.

If he admitted that, yes. If he saw them but just stated that someone called them and told him that Romney didn't pay taxes, then he isn't violating any law.


You said Reid knew it. Which implies that you think he saw them. If he did and talked about it (regardless of his backstory) he violated a rule apparently.

I think he was mostly fishing whether or not he had a Bain source.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-22 03:24:39 PM

mrshowrules: vpb: mrshowrules: vpb: Of for those of us who are intelligent enough to think through the implications:

Reid knew exactly what he was talking about when he said Romney paid no taxes, but being authorized to see them doesn't give him the authority to make them public.

If he saw them and made any comment about any aspect of them, he would violating the rules as well.

If he admitted that, yes. If he saw them but just stated that someone called them and told him that Romney didn't pay taxes, then he isn't violating any law.

You said Reid knew it. Which implies that you think he saw them. If he did and talked about it (regardless of his backstory) he violated a rule apparently..


Not apparent at all. Any more than seeing classified information about Afghanistan would prohibit him from speaking about Afghanistan.

I think he was mostly fishing whether or not he had a Bain source

I'm sure every Romney supporter would agree with you. And no one else.
 
2012-08-22 03:30:49 PM

Nofun: This is the bigger issue here folks:

Romney has denied Reid's tax allegations and said last week that he had paid federal income taxes at a rate of at least 13 percent every year for the past decade.

Last year I paid about 18%. Why does a multimillionaire pay smaller slice of his salary than I do, and in a recession especially? Actually, we're not sure he even paid that much, because he won't release the papers.

Of course the dems are grandstanding this. If the IRS had enough evidence to prosecute tax fraud, they would have. They don't; which means that Romney did something unethical, but not necessarily illegal (yes, paying taxes is part of ethics as a citizen of this country, like it or not).


And the 13 % he "paid" includes, in his own words, the 10% he paid to the Mormon Church. Which is NOT a tax, it's a tax DEDUCTION.

Liar. farking Liar.
 
2012-08-22 03:33:39 PM
Senate Republicans, however, would likely filibuster any formal resolution to see their presumptive presidential nominee's returns.

Even if Reid did request and receive Romney's tax returns, it's unlikely that he would be able to share any information about them with the public, unless Romney himself consented to the disclosure.


So in other words, it wouldn't mean dick, and subby just got a free green.
 
2012-08-22 03:35:29 PM

ghare: And the 13 % he "paid" includes, in his own words, the 10% he paid to the Mormon Church. Which is NOT a tax, it's a tax DEDUCTION.

Liar. farking Liar.


No, I don't think so... I think his quote was something like 'I paid 13%, PLUS what I gave in donations.', but Romney changes his story and his stance on everything so often, he could very well have said both, and we could both technically be correct. I agree with the 'liar' part, but I think you misread the statement.
 
2012-08-22 03:36:32 PM

Nofun:
Last year I paid about 18%. Why does a multimillionaire pay smaller slice of his salary than I do, and in a recession especially?


Romney probably paid a higher rate on his salary than you did. But that was swamped by his capital gains earnings that are taxed at 15%.

According to NPR Obama paid 19% on 1.7 million in income last year, I mention that because as it turns out, I personally paid a shade over 20% on significantly less than Obama made. I guess that means I get to whine and biatch about both of them.
 
2012-08-22 03:36:58 PM
He's obviously waiting until closer to November so Mitt can't spin/lie his way out of them.
 
2012-08-22 03:37:27 PM

Mikey1969: ghare: And the 13 % he "paid" includes, in his own words, the 10% he paid to the Mormon Church. Which is NOT a tax, it's a tax DEDUCTION.

Liar. farking Liar.

No, I don't think so... I think his quote was something like 'I paid 13%, PLUS what I gave in donations.', but Romney changes his story and his stance on everything so often, he could very well have said both, and we could both technically be correct. I agree with the 'liar' part, but I think you misread the statement.


Always possible, but he's still trying to pretend his deductions are taxes, which is my main point.
 
2012-08-22 03:37:42 PM
Politics 101: According to Title 26 of U.S. Code Section 6103, Harry Reid can get his grubby hands on all of Romney's tax returns any time he wants, but he's gonna grandstand about it instead. Suck it, Dems

Politics Tab 101: 1. Submit intentionally intellectually dishonest troll headline
2. ---
3. Profit!
 
2012-08-22 03:38:40 PM
It keeps coming down to the same thing.

Romney is hiding something. Maybe he doesn't want us to know how much he made, or how little he paid, or something else.

But he has calculated that continuing this controversy is less damaging to him than whatever he's hiding would be if it were made public.
 
2012-08-22 03:38:50 PM

vpb: Weaver95: A request by anyone except a tax-writing committee has to be accompanied by a Senate or House resolution," said Rebecca Wilkins, senior tax counsel at Citizens for Tax Justice.

so basically that's not going to happen in the history of ever.

Actually, TFA says that the President can authorize someone to see the returns.

According to Title 26 of U.S. Code Section 6103, the treasury secretary can disclose any personal tax return to the president "or to such employee or employees of the White House Office as the President may designate."


I'm pretty sure Reid can't work for the White House. You're only allowed to be in one branch of gov't at a time.
 
2012-08-22 03:39:58 PM
That seems wrong to me. You can't be looking up people's records for political reasons.

I think it's wrong for Romney not to show him but it's still his choice to make.
 
2012-08-22 03:40:30 PM

What Reid can get is not exactly the tax returns


"Such return information shall be limited to whether such individual-
(A) has filed returns with respect to the taxes imposed under chapter 1 for not more than the immediately preceding 3 years;
(B) has failed to pay any tax within 10 days after notice and demand, or has been assessed any penalty under this title for negligence, in the current year or immediately preceding 3 years;
(C) has been or is under investigation for possible criminal offenses under the internal revenue laws and the results of any such investigation; or
(D) has been assessed any civil penalty under this title for fraud. "


I suspect that Romney the Elder would still be suspicious of things being hidden in the undisclosed portions.
 
2012-08-22 03:41:40 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Nofun:
Last year I paid about 18%. Why does a multimillionaire pay smaller slice of his salary than I do, and in a recession especially?

Romney probably paid a higher rate on his salary than you did. But that was swamped by his capital gains earnings that are taxed at 15%.

According to NPR Obama paid 19% on 1.7 million in income last year, I mention that because as it turns out, I personally paid a shade over 20% on significantly less than Obama made. I guess that means I get to whine and biatch about both of them.


Well, except for the small difference that Obama isn't supporting a plan that would reduce his tax rate to 0.82%.
 
2012-08-22 03:41:41 PM
Subby: Are you really attacking Reid here for not looking up private information on someone to use politically?


Really?
 
2012-08-22 03:42:33 PM

Nofun: Last year I paid about 18%. Why does a multimillionaire pay smaller slice of his salary than I do, and in a recession especially?


Because more than 49% of our society has been convinced to vote in the best interests of a different 1% of our society.

It really is astonishing if you think about it. About half this country has been convinced that it's in their best interest to vote in favor of people who aren't them.....
 
2012-08-22 03:43:52 PM

vpb: You said Reid knew it. Which implies that you think he saw them. If he did and talked about it (regardless of his backstory) he violated a rule apparently..

Not apparent at all. Any more than seeing classified information about Afghanistan would prohibit him from speaking about Afghanistan.

How I know you DRTFA. I did.

I think he was mostly fishing whether or not he had a Bain source

I'm sure every Romney supporter would agree with you. And no one else.


Careful. It sounds like you are saying that only Romney supporters believe that Reid is full of shiat on this one. You might want to double-check your facts on that one.
 
2012-08-22 03:44:10 PM

Mr. Eugenides: According to NPR Obama paid 19% on 1.7 million in income last year, I mention that because as it turns out, I personally paid a shade over 20% on significantly less than Obama made. I guess that means I get to whine and biatch about both of them.


Well Obama want to RAISE the rate he pays, Romney want his lowered even more. Have you missed that part?
 
2012-08-22 03:44:48 PM

Mr. Eugenides: According to NPR Obama paid 19% on 1.7 million in income last year, I mention that because as it turns out, I personally paid a shade over 20% on significantly less than Obama made. I guess that means I get to whine and biatch about both of them.


You could. But then again, he's the only candidate actually advocating raising his own taxes.

So, please, please do
 
2012-08-22 03:45:02 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Nofun:
Last year I paid about 18%. Why does a multimillionaire pay smaller slice of his salary than I do, and in a recession especially?

Romney probably paid a higher rate on his salary than you did. But that was swamped by his capital gains earnings that are taxed at 15%.

According to NPR Obama paid 19% on 1.7 million in income last year, I mention that because as it turns out, I personally paid a shade over 20% on significantly less than Obama made. I guess that means I get to whine and biatch about both of them.


Except Obama isn't out there saying that his taxes are too high.
 
2012-08-22 03:45:16 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Nofun: Last year I paid about 18%. Why does a multimillionaire pay smaller slice of his salary than I do, and in a recession especially?

Because more than 49% of our society has been convinced to vote in the best interests of a different 1% of our society.

It really is astonishing if you think about it. About half this country has been convinced that it's in their best interest to vote in favor of people who aren't them.....


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury.

You, are part of the problem.
 
2012-08-22 03:45:16 PM

palelizard: vpb: Weaver95: A request by anyone except a tax-writing committee has to be accompanied by a Senate or House resolution," said Rebecca Wilkins, senior tax counsel at Citizens for Tax Justice.

so basically that's not going to happen in the history of ever.

Actually, TFA says that the President can authorize someone to see the returns.

According to Title 26 of U.S. Code Section 6103, the treasury secretary can disclose any personal tax return to the president "or to such employee or employees of the White House Office as the President may designate."

I'm pretty sure Reid can't work for the White House. You're only allowed to be in one branch of gov't at a time.


Some one working in the White House (Geitner) who had been a bain investor (Geitner)no citation but possiblecould have told Reid.
 
2012-08-22 03:45:33 PM
When he said 13% taxes I can't find any original reference as to what portion of that is Federal Taxes and not some other taxes like state and possibly local. The quote I got from Romney is "I did go back and look at my taxes," Romney said during a news conference at a South Carolina airport. "And over the past 10 years, I never paid less than 13 percent. I think the most recent year is 13.6 (percent) or something like that."

So when he said 13.6 he could have been including Massachusetts in that rate?
 
2012-08-22 03:46:01 PM
Karac:

And he knocks it out of the park!
 
2012-08-22 03:47:08 PM
Someone keeps submitting headlines that end in "Suck it Dems" or "Suck it Libs"

I think they're trying to tell us something,,,but what?
 
2012-08-22 03:47:26 PM

colon_pow: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Nofun: Last year I paid about 18%. Why does a multimillionaire pay smaller slice of his salary than I do, and in a recession especially?

Because more than 49% of our society has been convinced to vote in the best interests of a different 1% of our society.

It really is astonishing if you think about it. About half this country has been convinced that it's in their best interest to vote in favor of people who aren't them.....

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury.

You, are part of the problem.


What's the matter, did you lose your sheet of talking points and have to go picking through the derpy greenlights to find something to try and replace them for the rest of the day?
 
2012-08-22 03:47:29 PM
Unless Rmoney releases the tax forms, the teabaggers and every other buffoon on the right is going to scream that they are faked.
 
2012-08-22 03:47:56 PM

mrlewish: When he said 13% taxes I can't find any original reference as to what portion of that is Federal Taxes and not some other taxes like state and possibly local. The quote I got from Romney is "I did go back and look at my taxes," Romney said during a news conference at a South Carolina airport. "And over the past 10 years, I never paid less than 13 percent. I think the most recent year is 13.6 (percent) or something like that."

So when he said 13.6 he could have been including Massachusetts in that rate?


It is all meaningless if you can't see the returns anyways. He might have sheltered 90% of his income and paid 14% on the balance. He such a farking liar I don't believe anything he says.
 
2012-08-22 03:48:04 PM
Requesting a candidate's tax returns without their consent is a little too Watergate-ish for my tastes. FTFA, it sounds like it might not technically be illegal, but it would certainly be an abuse of power.

Also, once requested, they could no longer talk about the contents of the tax returns without Romney's consent. So, the Dems would be taking a political loss and look like they were abusing their power in the process.
 
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