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(Mother Jones)   Guns don't kill people, they start wildfires in Utah   (motherjones.com) divider line 22
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2012-08-22 01:52:19 PM
Lead and gilding metal (what the jackets are made off) don't spark when they hit rocks or metal. In fact, that's why lead and brass or bronze tools are used in areas where sparking is a concern. It *COULD* happen with steel jacketed ammo, but that's usually pretty mild. And certainly, tracer ammo or exploding targets could easily do it, but it's more likely to happen from a carelessly tossed cigarette butt, or even a water bottle left out in the sun.

And in looking at the sources in the Mother Jones article, it does indeed appear to be that steel jacketed ammo being shot at metallic targets is indeed the cause of at least some of them, and Utah is asking that people use non-steel jacketed ammo.

Oh, and they were *MAYBE* responsible for 4.4% of the fires, a very tiny fraction.
 
2012-08-22 02:08:39 PM
Oh look, not only can guns commit assault, now they are committing arson. Full blown treason can't be far behind.
 
2012-08-22 02:19:48 PM
I'd also point out that a BB gun shooting at a hard enough rock will also spark, and could cause a problem like this, as could any number of other human activities (at least one fire is being blamed on a chainsaw).
 
2012-08-22 02:35:47 PM

dittybopper: I'd also point out that a BB gun shooting at a hard enough rock will also spark, and could cause a problem like this, as could any number of other human activities (at least one fire is being blamed on a chainsaw).


It is just so dry. A couple years ago a golfer sparked a fire by clubbing a rock.
 
2012-08-22 02:58:08 PM

dittybopper: I'd also point out that a BB gun shooting at a hard enough rock will also spark,


Makes sense. BBs are just copper washed steel balls.
 
2012-08-22 03:06:51 PM

jbuist: dittybopper: I'd also point out that a BB gun shooting at a hard enough rock will also spark,

Makes sense. BBs are just copper washed steel balls.


I've seen them do it. I used to shoot them obliquely at asphalt when I was a kid. They'd spark quite easily.

/Way out in the country.
 
2012-08-22 04:18:49 PM

violentsalvation: Oh look, not only can guns commit assault, now they are committing arson. Full blown treason can't be far behind.


Guns don't prevent forest fires. Only YOU can prevent forest fires.
 
2012-08-22 05:32:48 PM
The trees should have been given guns.
 
2012-08-22 05:33:39 PM
Then don't shoot the trees, duh.
 
2012-08-22 05:34:16 PM
Guns don't kill people. I kill people.

/oblig?
 
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2012-08-22 05:49:54 PM
The gun also has to be dressed up formally and wear special underwear in Utah.
 
2012-08-22 05:56:15 PM

dittybopper: and Utah is asking that people use non-steel jacketed ammo.


That is actually now a law in many areas
 
2012-08-22 06:03:33 PM
Of course, one of the links in the story "showing" that a shooter caused a fire... said that it was caused by someone using a chainsaw. With no mention of a shooter at all.

Anyone want to bet that "shooting" as a cause usually includes "people camping out in the wilderness and shooting firearms, while their campfires start the actual fires"?
 
2012-08-22 06:04:29 PM
I hope the one person that admitted to sparking a fire made some effort to put it out.

When I was a teenager,A relative and I were left to babysit some particularly unruly younger cousins. We promptly took our school books and homework into a room with a lock, announced that we were not to be disturbed and locked ourselves in. Shortly, thereafter, we heard shouts. A couple of the kids we were supposedly supervising had set off a small explosive during a drought. The resulting fire was racing across a parched field toward the neighbors' house in a county that had no fire department at all - not even a volunteer fire department.We made the kids help us with a bucket brigade and managed to put the fire out just as it had reached, oh, I don't know, maybe 4 to 6 feet of the neighbors' house.

I can see inadvertently setting a fire with no nefarious intent, but try to put the fire out, for heavens' sake.
 
2012-08-22 06:35:18 PM
Probably some MoJo reader who tossed his spliff out the window of his VW van.
 
2012-08-22 08:45:18 PM

RedPhoenix122: violentsalvation: Oh look, not only can guns commit assault, now they are committing arson. Full blown treason can't be far behind.

Guns don't prevent forest fires. Only YOU can prevent forest fires.


shiat, my bad, sorry guys. Got busy at work.
 
2012-08-22 09:28:23 PM
Meh, there was almost aways a fire when we did night ranges at Fort Hood. I think we spent more time waiting around for range control to put out the fires than we did actually shooting our M-16s.
 
2012-08-22 10:19:46 PM
Came for gun nuts flipping out on the notion that small hand cannons could possibly start fires.
Only found one.
Still leaving satisfied.
/CalmDownDittybopper
 
2012-08-22 10:42:39 PM

SageC: Came for gun nuts flipping out on the notion that small hand cannons could possibly start fires.
Only found one.


Methinks that you are stretching the truth here. As was stated, there are issues with the dumbasses that are shooting steel core ammo, tracers or using exploding targets (all of which are outlawed in many areas of public land). For standard copper jacketed lead, you risk is almost nil. Likely more risk of starting a fire from your vehicle as you park it than from your standard weekend target shooter.
 
2012-08-22 10:44:26 PM
Now that idiot in, what was it, Arizona? The one shooting Dragon's Breath shotgun rounds (fire, fire, some more fire, and let's not worry about projectiles) was a particular Nimrod who started one of 'em.
 
2012-08-22 11:22:30 PM

stevarooni: Now that idiot in, what was it, Arizona? The one shooting Dragon's Breath shotgun rounds (fire, fire, some more fire, and let's not worry about projectiles) was a particular Nimrod who started one of 'em.




3 or 4 wildfilres were started here by Boise by exploding targets. Seriously, folks. Use your noggin. It is more than a hat rack.
 
2012-08-23 07:16:35 AM

SageC: Came for gun nuts flipping out on the notion that small hand cannons could possibly start fires.
Only found one.
Still leaving satisfied.
/CalmDownDittybopper


I didn't flip out. I thought that was actually a well-reasoned response.

Oh, and I don't use a small hand cannon. After all, if you are going to use a cannon, use an actual cannon:

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