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2012-08-22 03:52:00 PM
HailRobonia: RolandGunner: Bonobo also happens to be the famously sex crazed primate that has the distinction of being the only other animal that is known to masturbate.

You mean aside from dolphins, orangutans, elk, walruses, bears, boars, cats, bats, dogs, hogs, elephants, antelopes, pheasants, ferrets, giraffes, gazeles, stats, goats, shoats, ostriches, penguins, people, warthogs, yaks, wildebeests..... and especially rabbits!

Link


I can confirm this, in relevant part, to be true.
 
2012-08-22 03:53:39 PM
dittybopper: Valiente: dittybopper: Valiente: Making tools, hunting deer, watching FOX. Too bad they don't believe in evolution. Who knows how far they'd go?

Careful. Hunting is actually increasing in popularity after a number of years in decline.

/Was hunting before hunting was cool.
//Went primitive 10 years ago.

You missed the joke where watching fox followed hunting deer, of which I actually approve when said deer are eaten and their skins are turned into nice coats and mocs.

Actually, I don't care if the only result is a trophy hanging on a wall. In fact, pure trophy hunters are *GOOD* from a conservation standpoint.

To understand why, we have to understand that not all hunting is equal. There are three main kinds of hunting:

1. Subsistence Hunting
2. Market Hunting
3. Sport Hunting.


Favorited. Should have happened long ago. :)

/biologist
//wildlife and ecology geeks unite!
///carnivorous slashies.
 
2012-08-22 03:55:49 PM
UberDave: Pffft! That's nothing. If you go to the politics threads, there's apparently a bunch who already know how to use a computer...

I bet most of them couldn't be taught to make stone tools though.
 
2012-08-22 03:58:08 PM
Hugemeister: Hugemeister: swangoatman: Being democrat President 2008 - 2012 2016 FTFY...

P.S. You can thank me later. Now you can go back to looking for the 'birth certificate'...


he still running? Cops must be chasing.
 
2012-08-22 03:59:30 PM
ManateeGag: swangoatman: Being democrat President 2008-2012

0/10 - too obvious . try again


How about being lured on a bus and taken some place so they can be walked by the hand through the process of voting for the full Democrat slate through absentee ballot without having to show a single piece of ID or proof of residence of any kind?
 
2012-08-22 04:00:08 PM
dittybopper: cman: Just now, or could it be that this is the first time that we have witnessed this and they have been doing this for centuries?

RTF: Someone taught this particular chimp how to make and use primitive stone tools, probably along the lines of the Oldowan industry. It's actually a neat experiment, because Kanzi, the Bonobo they taught, was able to better exploit hidden and inaccessible food because he could make stone tools that would allow him to get at the food, having a 10x greater success rate than his non-tool making peers.


Damn I'm smart:

Kanzi's accomplishments also include tool use and tool crafting. Kanzi is an accomplished stone tool maker and can flake Oldowan style cutting knives. He learned this skill from Dr. Nick Toth, who is an anthropologist with the Stone Age Institute in Bloomington, Indiana. The stone knives Kanzi creates are very sharp and can cut animal hide and thick ropes.
 
2012-08-22 04:08:31 PM
Magorn: Still this is what I find fascinating: Chimp and Bonobos are biologically identical but behaviorially they could not be more different: Chimps are violent, territorial, hirearchical and the only species other than man known to engage in organzed warfare against its own species. Bonobos are peaceful, collborative, and tend to take a "hug it out biatches" approach to conflict resolution and generally live in pursuit of happiness and pleasure.

Sounds like the chimps need to fix their culture.
 
2012-08-22 04:11:17 PM
Okay, now the aliens are just farking with us.

i257.photobucket.com 

/Q&D
 
2012-08-22 04:14:12 PM
farkindood: Favorited. Should have happened long ago. :)

/biologist
//wildlife and ecology geeks unite!
///carnivorous slashies.


Thanks.

I'm not a scientician by any means, I've just given a lot of thought to how and why people hunt, and why I hunt personally. Most people, including some very smart people, don't understand the difference between the different sorts of hunting, or most probably it just never occurred to them that there was a difference: The guy who goes after that elusive Boone and Crockett set of antlers to mount on his wall is the same to them as the guy slaughtering bison by the hundreds from a train in order to sell the hides.
 
2012-08-22 04:26:23 PM
hdhale: ManateeGag: swangoatman: Being democrat President 2008-2012

0/10 - too obvious . try again

How about being lured on a bus and taken some place so they can be walked by the hand through the process of voting for the full Democrat slate through absentee ballot without having to show a single piece of ID or proof of residence of any kind?


better, but a bit wordy.
 
2012-08-22 04:35:25 PM
That's an insult to my simian brothers!
 
2012-08-22 04:50:58 PM
www.ganayo.com

Soon.
 
2012-08-22 04:55:47 PM
dittybopper: Yeah, but we had to teach Kanzi how to do it. And I bet they didn't look as good as these:

My first attempts at making stone tools:

[i56.tinypic.com image 640x480]

My first "good" projectile point:

[i56.tinypic.com image 640x480]


I bet humans didn't discover how to make sharp tools very often either. Most were probably taught, saw how it was done and copied it, or saw the end product and tried to replicate. Bonobos can be taught, but whether they can learn how to do it through mere observation or reverse engineering is another thing.
 
2012-08-22 04:56:28 PM
dittybopper: Yeah, but we had to teach Kanzi how to do it. And I bet they didn't look as good as these:

My first attempts at making stone tools:



I hate to be the one to drop bad news on you but those aren't stone tools. That semi-transparent material is known to modern humans as glass.
 
2012-08-22 05:01:31 PM
Jubeebee: In a few generations, the tool use will spur accelerated brain development, and our ancestors will get to watch a new primate species evolve in real time.

Yeah, super idea. Do you know what happened the last time homo sapiens found themselves living near another upright walking, language forming animal? They saw a few of them looking at their women and then there was only one upright walking, language forming animal species.
 
2012-08-22 05:15:57 PM
So somebody taught em to use frogs as tools?
 
2012-08-22 05:43:00 PM
PYROY: [www.ganayo.com image 300x300]

Soon.


Fortunately, they will achieve exactly one shot before being incapacitated from a broken eyesocket.
 
2012-08-22 05:46:05 PM
Seraphym: Okay, now the aliens are just farking with us.

[i257.photobucket.com image 600x300] 

/Q&D


Came for the 2001 reference. Leave satisfied.

/Cue Also Sprach Zarathustra
 
2012-08-22 06:22:17 PM
WhippingBoy: Vlad_the_Inaner: Where this will all end up

[i.imgur.com image 700x500] 

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x273]


What I was thinking
 
2012-08-22 07:00:25 PM
traylor: dittybopper: Yeah, but we had to teach Kanzi how to do it. And I bet they didn't look as good as these:

My first attempts at making stone tools:


I hate to be the one to drop bad news on you but those aren't stone tools. That semi-transparent material is known to modern humans as glass.


You know what obsidian is? Naturally occurring volcanic glass. There is *ZERO* difference between working a piece of obsidian (the black shiny stuff), and a beer bottle bottom (the green ones). They flake identically, because they are both glass.
 
2012-08-22 07:12:47 PM
dittybopper: traylor: dittybopper: Yeah, but we had to teach Kanzi how to do it. And I bet they didn't look as good as these:

My first attempts at making stone tools:


I hate to be the one to drop bad news on you but those aren't stone tools. That semi-transparent material is known to modern humans as glass.

You know what obsidian is? Naturally occurring volcanic glass. There is *ZERO* difference between working a piece of obsidian (the black shiny stuff), and a beer bottle bottom (the green ones). They flake identically, because they are both glass.


Good. Next, tell me, that there's no difference between stone and glass.
 
2012-08-22 07:22:27 PM
I'm not sure a bonobo can be legitimately raped by another bonobo. Those are the chimps that have sex with each other all the time, from saying "hello" to establishing the pecking order. Also of note is that they have no apparent sexual preference and engage in mutual masturbation, oral sex, and many other things humans credit themselves with.

The bonono preference for no-nonsense orgies is what biologists give credit to for their very low prevelence of violence when compared to other apes.

We can learn much from them.
 
2012-08-22 08:02:31 PM
HailRobonia: RolandGunner: Bonobo also happens to be the famously sex crazed primate that has the distinction of being the only other animal that is known to masturbate.

You mean aside from dolphins, orangutans, elk, walruses, bears, boars, cats, bats, dogs, hogs, elephants, antelopes, pheasants, ferrets, giraffes, gazeles, stats, goats, shoats, ostriches, penguins, people, warthogs, yaks, wildebeests..... and especially rabbits!

Link



I'm not going to your Rule 34 deviant art page. You can't fool me.
 
2012-08-22 08:34:36 PM
TheJoe03: whoops, wrong thread.

False. It's perfect
 
2012-08-22 08:55:36 PM
traylor: Good. Next, tell me, that there's no difference between stone and glass.

The one by itself? That's flint, not obsidian. And yeah, it's a stone.
 
2012-08-22 09:02:42 PM
BTW, I'm finally gonna do it this year: Use knapped arrowheads for hunting:

i45.tinypic.com

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-22 11:39:32 PM
RolandGunner: Bonobo also happens to be the famously sex crazed primate that has the distinction of being the only other animal that is known to masturbate.

You haven't been around goats. Billies masturbate constantly.
 
2012-08-23 11:51:21 AM
dittybopper: You know what obsidian is?

I know it takes farking forever to mine! And, you have to be careful, because there's usually lava underneath it! And, you can construct nether portals with it...

media-mcw.cursecdn.com
 
2012-08-23 12:37:26 PM
RobSeace: dittybopper: You know what obsidian is?

I know it takes farking forever to mine! And, you have to be careful, because there's usually lava underneath it! And, you can construct nether portals with it...

[media-mcw.cursecdn.com image 150x150]


I just buy spalls of it from 3Rivers Archery. Much safer that way.
 
2012-08-23 12:44:31 PM
So if a guy wanted to get into knapping flint and obsidian would you suggest them making their own tools or buying a kit like that site sells? I have thought about trying this before and have never found the materials to start. The tools look easy enough to create on your own. the reason I ask is the kit they sell seems to use aluminum instead of copper like most of the home made sets have.
 
2012-08-23 03:15:34 PM
lokisbong: So if a guy wanted to get into knapping flint and obsidian would you suggest them making their own tools or buying a kit like that site sells? I have thought about trying this before and have never found the materials to start. The tools look easy enough to create on your own. the reason I ask is the kit they sell seems to use aluminum instead of copper like most of the home made sets have.

I made my own tools, mainly because I did it on a whim at first.

Grab a piece of nice thick leather or get some good leather gloves with nice thick palms. You can make a pressure flaker from a piece of thick, stiff copper wire and a dowel. You can buy antler billets specifically for knapping. 3Rivers Archery sells them, for one. My dad happened to have an old antler around from making a knife handle, so I use that. Then all you need is a decent rock for a hammer stone, if you chose to do hard-hammer percussion.
 
2012-08-23 03:16:17 PM
I should point out that there is nothing wrong with buying the tools, I just don't have any experience with them, and I'm still learning the craft myself.
 
2012-08-23 03:50:43 PM
traylor:

Good. Next, tell me, that there's no difference between stone and glass.


geology.com first paragraph
 
2012-08-23 06:00:42 PM
skwerlmaster: traylor:

Good. Next, tell me, that there's no difference between stone and glass.

geology.com first paragraph


I find it funny he questions this when most people know that even man made glass is made from silica sand which is just ground down stone
 
2012-08-24 10:26:05 AM
OK, sorry, now I get it.

Glass, as a material, is indistinguishable from stone. Actually, there's no material called glass.

This is shattered stone:

gossipgirlsss.com

This is also made of stone:

www.groworganic.com

Fancy a stone of beer?
 
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