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(Newsday)   How the Obama administration can stop an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear facilities in five steps. The question is: Does it have the willpower?   (newsday.com) divider line 62
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2012-08-22 03:36:56 PM  
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2012-08-22 03:37:07 PM  
1. Tell Israel that if they pre-emptively attack Iran, we don't defend them.
 
2012-08-22 03:37:49 PM  
There's more steps than:

1. Tell them if they bomb Iran all aid is cancelled.

?
 
2012-08-22 03:39:33 PM  
Oh FFS
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-08-22 03:41:35 PM  
The US already has a precident for attacking terrorist states before they act.

Bomb Israel today!
 
2012-08-22 03:41:38 PM  

vernonFL: 1. Tell Israel that if they pre-emptively attack Iran, we don't defend them.


Now as much as the pro-Israel lobby here on Fark would like to say "The US won't say that," in an election year where the voting public is tired of wars, what you said will play real well with the public.

So yeah, Israel's on it's own; whether the pro-Israel lobby likes it or not.
 
2012-08-22 03:43:10 PM  
Israel is too focused on self-preservation to take an action like that.
 
2012-08-22 03:43:40 PM  
Writer Amos Yadlin, a former chief of Israeli military intelligence, is director of Israel's Institute for National Security Studies. He wrote this for The Washington Post.
 
2012-08-22 03:45:32 PM  
So the list is quite literally 'the US should preempt Israel and do it themselves'.

Really? Brilliant logic. Know what's a great way to prevent being murdered? Suicide.
 
2012-08-22 03:45:38 PM  
Threaten to cut off all aid, and revoke the automatic veto in the security council. hits them where it counts.
 
2012-08-22 03:47:29 PM  
Let me guess... maximum possible sabre-rattling and fear-mongering, plus a complete acquiescence to every whim of Israel's most strident hardliners?

[reads TFA]

Yeah, that was tough to guess. Thanks, guys.

No.
 
2012-08-22 03:47:39 PM  
1. Do the jerking off hand motion, but really slowly
2. Make eyecontact.
3. Finish.
 
2012-08-22 03:47:54 PM  
But if we don't defend Israel, our drunk Republican congressmen will have to go skinny dipping over here.
 
2012-08-22 03:50:12 PM  
So the article was :The US do it instead.


Really, F' YOU!
 
2012-08-22 03:50:16 PM  

vernonFL: But if we don't defend Israel, our drunk Republican congressmen will have to go skinny dipping over here.


yaling.hawaii-aloha.com I found a great beach for them
 
2012-08-22 03:51:05 PM  
Oy vey. So the GOP will harangue Obama for not being tough enough on Iran before there is major military action, then after there is (and you know there will be, because Iran makes it necessary) the GOP will scream bloody murder that "Obama got us into another war".
 
2012-08-22 03:52:10 PM  
Pretty much let the Iraqi air defenses have their way with them.

Oh wait, that's what would happen with or without US Interference.
 
2012-08-22 03:52:15 PM  
(regardless of whether we have boots on the ground, or it's just missiles and bombs)
 
2012-08-22 03:52:20 PM  

Rwa2play: So yeah, Israel's on it's own; whether the pro-Israel lobby likes it or not.


Only until November 7th, or 8th if you're a Democrat.

That author's got some pretty heavy bias. I see a lot of "give aid to Israel", particularly the military equipment and nothing really doing anything if Israel then still bombs Iran with a huge US force in the vicinity.

It's like that smaller friend you've got who gets a little rowdy in the bar after a few drinks. He's promising you he won't start a fight if you slip him your blackjack, then stand behind him with your brass-knuckles out and loom.
 
2012-08-22 03:53:03 PM  
So...

To prevent Israel from attacking Iran, we have to threaten to attack Iran. How does that work?
 
2012-08-22 03:53:09 PM  
Wait,Wait,Wait! Let me go get some popcorn before this blows up any further!
 
2012-08-22 03:53:39 PM  

Antimatter: Threaten to cut off all aid, and revoke the automatic veto in the security council. hits them where it counts.


Came here to say this.
 
2012-08-22 03:55:56 PM  
1- Stopping Iran from getting a nuke is not a one-time event. It is a perpetual battle.

2- One Iranian nuke aimed at Jerusalem/Israel will put Israel in check and force it to the table on talks about Palestine.

3- Iran will only get one attack off before Israel turns into a sheet of glass.
 
2012-08-22 03:57:23 PM  
i believe we should do whatever it takes to prevent iran from nuking israel.
but that's just me, apparently.
 
2012-08-22 03:58:21 PM  

PanicMan: 1. Do the jerking off hand motion, but really slowly
2. Make eyecontact.
3. Finish.


loyalkng.com
 
2012-08-22 03:59:24 PM  
Israel is going to nuke Iran in celebration of the CIA(at the cute age of 6 years old) overthrowing the legitimate Iranian government and putting in the clusterfark they have now.
 
2012-08-22 04:00:17 PM  

colon_pow: i believe we should do whatever it takes to prevent iran from nuking israel.


I agree, we should do whatever it takes. But, it might only negotiations.Lets see if those work first before we move on the WW3.
 
2012-08-22 04:00:22 PM  

colon_pow: whatever it takes


That's a strange phrase. Everything has it's limits. Would you be willing to sacrifice the entire population of the US in order to prevent it? Of course not. So why not be more descriptive about what you are willing to do
 
2012-08-22 04:00:35 PM  

colon_pow: i believe we should do whatever it takes to prevent iran from nuking israel.
but that's just me, apparently.


I'm so glad you volunteered to be on the first wave into Iran.

Any more volunteers?
 
2012-08-22 04:00:37 PM  

colon_pow: i believe we should do whatever it takes to prevent iran from nuking israel.
but that's just me, apparently.


Except if you let Israel get Nuked, Jerusalem goes with it, too. That farked up center of the whole argeyblargey shaitfest that is the Middle east.

And israel will prob get off a few shots, too.
 
2012-08-22 04:00:43 PM  
Hmmmm, who to support?? The free, tolerant, democratic country, or the intolerant, oppressive, theocratic country? Decisions, decisions...........
 
2012-08-22 04:01:49 PM  

goatleggedfellow: 2- One Iranian nuke aimed at Jerusalem/Israel will put Israel in check and force it to the table on talks about Palestine.


Iran doesn't really give a rat's ass about the Palestinians. They won't fight for them. Never have, never will.
 
2012-08-22 04:03:07 PM  
Can we still use irradiated oil? Like in cars and for gasoline and stuff. Just asking.

mark12A: Hmmmm, who to support?? The free, tolerant, democratic country, or the intolerant, oppressive, theocratic country? Decisions, decisions...........


Which one is which?
 
2012-08-22 04:04:22 PM  

colon_pow: i believe we should do whatever it takes to prevent iran from nuking israel.
but that's just me, apparently.


So, hypothetically, if the only solution was one that would kill thousands of Americans and cost the American taxpayers trillions of dollars and completely destroy America's ability to deal in good faith in the diplomatic arena for generations to come... that's all fine as long as Israel remains (somewhat) safe. For a while longer.

You hate America. Why?
 
2012-08-22 04:05:38 PM  
Oh, it's this thread again.

How exciting.
 
2012-08-22 04:05:50 PM  

mark12A: Hmmmm, who to support?? The free, tolerant, democratic country, or the intolerant, oppressive, theocratic country? Decisions, decisions...........


Crazy thought - how about we "support" neither and let other countries take care of their own farking business?

No where in the Constitution is the Federal government granted the power to be policeman of the farking world. If Israel wants to start a war with Iran we should wish them the best of luck and send them on their merry way.
 
2012-08-22 04:11:56 PM  
Wow, look at all the Jew hate in this thread.

Had to do a double-take. My brain was trying to figure out how I got logged in to stormfront.
 
2012-08-22 04:12:44 PM  

colon_pow: i believe we should do whatever it takes to prevent iran from nuking israel.
but that's just me, apparently.


This ain't Risk; there are no reset buttons to this scenario.
 
2012-08-22 04:13:56 PM  

pxsteel: Wow, look at all the Jew hate in this thread.


Where? Seriously, are you reading something invisible to me?
 
2012-08-22 04:14:15 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: colon_pow: i believe we should do whatever it takes to prevent iran from nuking israel.
but that's just me, apparently.

So, hypothetically, if the only solution was one that would kill thousands of Americans and cost the American taxpayers trillions of dollars and completely destroy America's ability to deal in good faith in the diplomatic arena for generations to come... that's all fine as long as Israel remains (somewhat) safe. For a while longer.

You hate America. Why?


You have a really high opinion of the Iranian army, there, Otter.
 
2012-08-22 04:14:22 PM  

pxsteel: Wow, look at all the Jew hate in this thread.


And here come the "If you're not for Israel, you're an anti-Semite" lot.
 
2012-08-22 04:17:43 PM  

pxsteel: Wow, look at all the Jew hate in this thread.

Had to do a double-take. My brain was trying to figure out how I got logged in to stormfront.


Que?
 
2012-08-22 04:19:23 PM  
Iran is not going to nuke Israel. This is all a bunch of concern trolling by the right.

If Iran nukes Israel:
1:they kill thousands if not millions of muslims
2:the fall out lands on them on their friends
3:they would be turned into a glass parking lot
4:they are surrounded by real enemies
 
2012-08-22 04:20:30 PM  

cchris_39: Mr_Fabulous: colon_pow: i believe we should do whatever it takes to prevent iran from nuking israel.
but that's just me, apparently.

So, hypothetically, if the only solution was one that would kill thousands of Americans and cost the American taxpayers trillions of dollars and completely destroy America's ability to deal in good faith in the diplomatic arena for generations to come... that's all fine as long as Israel remains (somewhat) safe. For a while longer.

You hate America. Why?

You have a really high opinion of the Iranian army, there, Otter.


Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that, right Mr. Rumsfeld?
 
2012-08-22 04:21:18 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: pxsteel: Wow, look at all the Jew hate in this thread.

Where? Seriously, are you reading something invisible to me?


Where? Really.......

vernonFL: 1. Tell Israel that if they pre-emptively attack Iran, we don't defend them.


Philip Francis Queeg: There's more steps than:

1. Tell them if they bomb Iran all aid is cancelled.

?


Ned Stark: The US already has a precident for attacking terrorist states before they act.

Bomb Israel today!


Antimatter: Threaten to cut off all aid, and revoke the automatic veto in the security council. hits them where it counts.


mark12A: Hmmmm, who to support?? The free, tolerant, democratic country, or the intolerant, oppressive, theocratic country? Decisions, decisions...........

 
2012-08-22 04:21:57 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: pxsteel: Wow, look at all the Jew hate in this thread.

Where? Seriously, are you reading something invisible to me?


Not immediately doing whatever Israel wants is a clear and obvious sign of antisemitism.
 
2012-08-22 04:22:27 PM  

colon_pow: i believe we should do whatever it takes to prevent iran from nuking israel.
but that's just me, apparently.


Iran will never nuke Israel. Iran's government is not crazy, no matter what your news outlet of choice tells you. They know it would be suicidal, and the powers in Iran are not interested to be pulled into a war that might end their regime. They want nuclear weapons as a deterrent to prevent other countries from attacking. Which is really the same reason Israel has for its own nukes. Iran doesn't even have a common border with Israel, and they also never said THEY would attack Israel. A war with Iran would only accomplish one thing: More radical muslims willing to fight against the western world.
 
2012-08-22 04:34:31 PM  
A well armed planet is a polite planet.
 
2012-08-22 04:37:37 PM  

sillydragon: Mr_Fabulous: pxsteel: Wow, look at all the Jew hate in this thread.

Where? Seriously, are you reading something invisible to me?

Not immediately doing whatever Israel wants is a clear and obvious sign of antisemitism.


How many decades has Israel had nukes. Has Iran been nuked yet?

Iran threatens Israel with inihilation about every other month. And you think it's OK if Iran gets nukes.
 
2012-08-22 04:40:10 PM  

pxsteel: sillydragon: Mr_Fabulous: pxsteel: Wow, look at all the Jew hate in this thread.

Where? Seriously, are you reading something invisible to me?

Not immediately doing whatever Israel wants is a clear and obvious sign of antisemitism.

How many decades has Israel had nukes. Has Iran been nuked yet?

Iran threatens Israel with inihilation about every other month. And you think it's OK if Iran gets nukes.


Either you support Israel doing whatever, OR you support Iran getting nukes. Those are the only two options - if you disagree, you hate Jews and want Iran to have Nukes.
 
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