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2012-08-22 12:08:26 PM
A record since 1979.

That's not very impressive considering how long the earth has been around.
 
2012-08-22 02:09:32 PM
but global warming is a myth! look at all this data i pulled out of my ass after exxon wrote me a $10m check!
 
2012-08-22 02:10:44 PM
strange
what record are they talking about? I know for a fact that during the 40's there was a LOT less sea ice.
WHY the fark do these people continue to present "convenient" subsets of data as important?

I weep for the future of science.

/yes, I know that it is a record for this SET of data which has been collected with this particular method. But the REASON that we combine other data to create longer time-series is so that we can act like scientists when we make claims and predicts.
//that being said, two-mile time machine RULES - we are SO farkED! Europed needs to start movign south. soon.
 
2012-08-22 02:15:46 PM
Just another liberal lie. That ice is still there. It's conservative ice, immune to liberal lies about global warming.
 
2012-08-22 02:34:14 PM
It's actually a win-win for conservatives. Ignore it, or put off doing anything about it long enough and both coasts will go under (predominantly blue states). The heartland survives as redstate America. USA USA.
 
2012-08-22 02:43:34 PM
Herpaderpa chimed in first, I see.
 
2012-08-22 03:21:40 PM
Battend down the hatches and set your phasers for derp, we've got another climate change thread.
 
It's usually devolves into a game of say something so absolutely idiotic that people quote you.  Pretend that your computer screen is a marquee and your name is up in lights.  Imagine the crowd tossing roses to you.
 
Awake from your reverie, thick with your own filth, stuck to your computer chair.
 
2012-08-22 03:22:47 PM

MeinRS6: A record since 1979.

That's not very impressive considering how long the earth has been around.


4000 years?
 
2012-08-22 03:24:27 PM

Kazan: but global warming is a myth! look at all this data i pulled out of my ass after exxon wrote me a $10m check!


No it's real and the current scientific consensus. Look at the computer model I created with my $20 million grant from the National Science Foundation! It works so well I'm getting another $20 million for next year!
 
2012-08-22 03:40:28 PM
What is verifiable is that the ice cores indicate Greenland has experienced dramatic temperature shifts many times over the past 100,000 years. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland

Two projects conducted from 1989 to 1993 collected parallel ice cores-just 30 km apart- from the central part of the Greenland ice sheet. Each core is more than 3 km deep and extends back 110,000 years. In short, the ice cores tell a clear story: humans came of age agriculturally and industrially during the most stable climatic regime recorded in the cores. Change-large, rapid, and global-is more characteristic of the Earth's climate than is stasis. - http://www.agu.org/journals/ABS/1996/96EO00142.shtml
 
2012-08-22 03:47:44 PM

Fo Shiz: Kazan: but global warming is a myth! look at all this data i pulled out of my ass after exxon wrote me a $10m check!

No it's real and the current scientific consensus. Look at the computer model I created with my $20 million grant from the National Science Foundation! It works so well I'm getting another $20 million for next year!


you realize that someone who actually had data contradicting it would get a lot more funding a lot faster, you farking dipshiat. the idea that there that grants are a way to get rich is simply pants-on-head retarded.
 
2012-08-22 04:04:34 PM

Kazan: Fo Shiz: Kazan: but global warming is a myth! look at all this data i pulled out of my ass after exxon wrote me a $10m check!

No it's real and the current scientific consensus. Look at the computer model I created with my $20 million grant from the National Science Foundation! It works so well I'm getting another $20 million for next year!

you realize that someone who actually had data contradicting it would get a lot more funding a lot faster, you farking dipshiat. the idea that there that grants are a way to get rich is simply pants-on-head retarded.


Certainly not about getting rich, but the argument is that the need to pursue grants creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. Thanks for letting me clear that up, you farking dipshiat :)
 
2012-08-22 04:57:18 PM

MeinRS6: A record since 1979.

That's not very impressive considering how long the earth has been around.


Well, I guess that makes it ok then. SUVs and coal plants for everyone then!
 
2012-08-22 05:02:51 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: MeinRS6: A record since 1979.

That's not very impressive considering how long the earth has been around.

Well, I guess that makes it ok then. SUVs and coal plants for everyone then!


No need to get all snarky just because the science doesn't back up your libby fantasy.
 
2012-08-22 05:06:42 PM

MeinRS6: Grand_Moff_Joseph: MeinRS6: A record since 1979.

That's not very impressive considering how long the earth has been around.

Well, I guess that makes it ok then. SUVs and coal plants for everyone then!

No need to get all snarky just because the science doesn't back up your libby fantasy.


4.bp.blogspot.com

Liddy fantasy?
 
2012-08-22 05:20:24 PM
Time to call in the Justice Team !



/"just ice", get it?
 
2012-08-22 05:31:50 PM
I'm pretty sure that you should be banned for posting that pic.
 
2012-08-22 05:39:38 PM
Ohhhh a warming thread. And not even a geek tab warming thread, its front page. I predict civil discourse and rational argument
 
2012-08-22 05:42:35 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: MeinRS6: A record since 1979.

That's not very impressive considering how long the earth has been around.

Well, I guess that makes it ok then. SUVs and coal plants for everyone then!


If plants were made of coal, where would the CO2 go?
 
2012-08-22 05:46:21 PM
But...but...but...

AAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL GOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRE!
 
2012-08-22 05:47:41 PM
This proves EVERYTHING.
 
2012-08-22 05:49:18 PM
September 2007 currently holds the record for the lowest extent of Arctic sea ice, at least since satellite records began in 1979, and probably before.

...and that's where I stopped reading your "scientific" article.
 
2012-08-22 05:49:19 PM
Which runs out first, oil or ice? I can never remember.
 
2012-08-22 05:54:16 PM
Someone do the JonSnow signal.
 
2012-08-22 05:55:41 PM

Fo Shiz: Kazan:
you realize that someone who actually had data contradicting it would get a lot more funding a lot faster, you farking dipshiat.

Certainly not about getting rich, but the argument is that the need to pursue grants creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.


Kazan already pointed out why that argument is wrong. See above.
 
2012-08-22 05:57:19 PM
Honestly, what is the point of these threads anymore?

As far as Fark is concerned, the Golden Age of Climate Change Debate™ was 2005-2006.
 
2012-08-22 05:59:54 PM
ooh are my nipples hard
 
2012-08-22 06:01:23 PM

Kazan: Fo Shiz: Kazan: but global warming is a myth! look at all this data i pulled out of my ass after exxon wrote me a $10m check!

No it's real and the current scientific consensus. Look at the computer model I created with my $20 million grant from the National Science Foundation! It works so well I'm getting another $20 million for next year!

you realize that someone who actually had data contradicting it would get a lot more funding a lot faster, you farking dipshiat. the idea that there that grants are a way to get rich is simply pants-on-head retarded.


LOL you really believe that? No wonder you're a warmer
 
2012-08-22 06:05:45 PM

whidbey: As far as Fark is concerned, the Golden Age of Climate Change Debate™ was 2005-2006.


I recall a big flurry of Fark threads in 2007, after "An Inconvenient Truth" won an Academy Award and the fourth IPCC report was released.
 
2012-08-22 06:08:46 PM
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Al Gore^
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Why aren't you retards buying more carbon credits to fix this shiat?
 
2012-08-22 06:09:49 PM

Ned Stark: Ohhhh a warming thread. And not even a geek tab warming thread, its front page. I predict civil discourse and rational argument

 

i101.photobucket.com
I'm ready!
 
2012-08-22 06:10:54 PM

Ambitwistor: whidbey: As far as Fark is concerned, the Golden Age of Climate Change Debate™ was 2005-2006.

I recall a big flurry of Fark threads in 2007, after "An Inconvenient Truth" won an Academy Award and the fourth IPCC report was released.


Ah well, maybe I was off by a year.
 
2012-08-22 06:11:53 PM
I would have preferred the headline stopped at:

"Arctic sea ice set to hit record"

And then we would all click on a youtube link that would give us a slideshow of arctic ice pictures set to Michael Jackson's "Thriller".

Yeah. That would be awesome.
 
2012-08-22 06:15:17 PM
The US is actually doing a superb job eliminating CO2 emissions on its very own. Thank god we didn't sign up to that stupid Kyoto Protocol. This is one thing that Americans can point at snooty Europeans and Canadians and laugh about.
Now if conservatives could just accept the fact changing the atmosphere's chemical composition is going to have some effect. It is simply impossible for it not to. I know the computer models aren't very accurate but that doesn't change the simple reality. It doesn't make you a sneering hippie to admit it and you don't have to tear down the economy to fix it.

Link

Michael Crichton was right about the human race voluntarily moving towards lower and lower carbon emissions. No economy wrecking, central planning wet dream needed. "Progressives" everywhere wept. :P

But on a more serious note, we can do even better. We need to get the vehicles in this nation switched over to compressed natural gas and we can cut those emissions almost in half again. North America has enormous reserves of the stuff as well as an extensive pipeline system to move it around the country cheaply and safely. For under $2k in modifications almost any new car can be converted to a dual CNG/gasoline fuel system. CNG for when you can get it and gasoline for when you have to travel. The energy equivalence of a gallon of gas will cost you approximately $1.50. You can even get a natural gas compressor installed in your home for about $4k. The big 3 US auto makers are all putting out CNG/gas cars. Honda has one too. Cutting transportation costs of everything dramatically will do more restart the economy than any stimulus the government can hand out. Subsidising CNG vehicles is what Cash for Clunkers should have been. There's a good change we can get emissions down to the point where the environment can actually absorb our output. Yes, we will eventually run our of NG reserves but this does give us another century for materials science to finally catch up. That should be more than enough time.

That doesn't even get into the fact that it would produce complete energy independence for at least a century. NO MORE OPEC!! No more funding our worst enemies who use our own oil money to try and kill us. The amount there is to gain here is so wildly disproportionate compared to the risks I don't know why the hell there isn't some sort of huge program to make this happen.
Real energy independence with insanely lower carbon emissions.
 
2012-08-22 06:15:20 PM

stirfrybry: Kazan: Fo Shiz: Kazan: but global warming is a myth! look at all this data i pulled out of my ass after exxon wrote me a $10m check!

No it's real and the current scientific consensus. Look at the computer model I created with my $20 million grant from the National Science Foundation! It works so well I'm getting another $20 million for next year!

you realize that someone who actually had data contradicting it would get a lot more funding a lot faster, you farking dipshiat. the idea that there that grants are a way to get rich is simply pants-on-head retarded.

LOL you really believe that? No wonder you're a warmer


Huh? Yeah, because its completely true. You really dont think that any reputable, credentialled scientist who had good hard data wouldn't be publicised, feted and revered by all the oil companies and every other prick with a financial stake and deep pockets?
The only reason they dont do that is because the data doesn't exist, so the next best think is to politicise it and to use the willful blindness that that stance brings along with it.
 
2012-08-22 06:17:01 PM
How much ice would have to melt before South Dakota becomes coastal? I've always wanted to own some beachfront property!
 
2012-08-22 06:17:29 PM

Fo Shiz: Kazan: Fo Shiz: Kazan: but global warming is a myth! look at all this data i pulled out of my ass after exxon wrote me a $10m check!

No it's real and the current scientific consensus. Look at the computer model I created with my $20 million grant from the National Science Foundation! It works so well I'm getting another $20 million for next year!

you realize that someone who actually had data contradicting it would get a lot more funding a lot faster, you farking dipshiat. the idea that there that grants are a way to get rich is simply pants-on-head retarded.

Certainly not about getting rich, but the argument is that the need to pursue grants creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. Thanks for letting me clear that up, you farking dipshiat :)


Actually wouldn't the scientists move forward and research for new truths and discoveries? Isn't that the whole point of wanting to become a scientist in the first place?

/science, you can't explain that
 
2012-08-22 06:18:24 PM
Damnit! With the earth warming, millions of Americans will flee across the northern border in the next decade.
 
2012-08-22 06:19:47 PM
How does this relate to the thinning of the ice right before the dust bowl? I wonder if the focus on climate change means we are missing other trends that have happened before and will happen again.
 
2012-08-22 06:22:07 PM
Arctic sea ice set to hit record low within days not seen since 1200 AD and 400 AD and oh every 800 years or so.

There subby I fixed it for ya.
 
2012-08-22 06:23:13 PM
Chill, Earth!

It's not the end of the world...
 
2012-08-22 06:23:16 PM

sectorg: The US is actually doing a superb job eliminating CO2 emissions on its very own.


Not really. Emissions are still basically flat, "20-year lows" notwithstanding. The abatement rate is nothing like what is needed. Fundamentally the market doesn't see a cost to carbon emissions, which is why we do need a price on carbon, on top of existing activities like switching coal to gas.
 
2012-08-22 06:24:09 PM

namatad: strange
what record are they talking about? I know for a fact that during the 40's there was a LOT less sea ice.
WHY the fark do these people continue to present "convenient" subsets of data as important?

I weep for the future of science.

/yes, I know that it is a record for this SET of data which has been collected with this particular method. But the REASON that we combine other data to create longer time-series is so that we can act like scientists when we make claims and predicts.
//that being said, two-mile time machine RULES - we are SO farkED! Europed needs to start movign south. soon.




History of Arctic (and Antarctic) Sea Ice


In short, it is YOU that is cherry-picking your reference time frame.
 
2012-08-22 06:24:38 PM

sectorg: The US is actually doing a superb job eliminating CO2 emissions on its very own. Thank god we didn't sign up to that stupid Kyoto Protocol. This is one thing that Americans can point at snooty Europeans and Canadians and laugh about.
Now if conservatives could just accept the fact changing the atmosphere's chemical composition is going to have some effect. It is simply impossible for it not to. I know the computer models aren't very accurate but that doesn't change the simple reality. It doesn't make you a sneering hippie to admit it and you don't have to tear down the economy to fix it.

Link

Michael Crichton was right about the human race voluntarily moving towards lower and lower carbon emissions. No economy wrecking, central planning wet dream needed. "Progressives" everywhere wept. :P

But on a more serious note, we can do even better. We need to get the vehicles in this nation switched over to compressed natural gas and we can cut those emissions almost in half again. North America has enormous reserves of the stuff as well as an extensive pipeline system to move it around the country cheaply and safely. For under $2k in modifications almost any new car can be converted to a dual CNG/gasoline fuel system. CNG for when you can get it and gasoline for when you have to travel. The energy equivalence of a gallon of gas will cost you approximately $1.50. You can even get a natural gas compressor installed in your home for about $4k. The big 3 US auto makers are all putting out CNG/gas cars. Honda has one too. Cutting transportation costs of everything dramatically will do more restart the economy than any stimulus the government can hand out. Subsidising CNG vehicles is what Cash for Clunkers should have been. There's a good change we can get emissions down to the point where the environment can actually absorb our output. Yes, we will eventually run our of NG reserves but this does give us another century for materials science to finally catch up. That should be ...


I almost forgot to add, NG is expensive and dangerous to transport with a ship. This means most of the NG pulled out of the ground in North America will stay in North America. So we won't get the issue like gasoline where prices continue to rise even while the US is a net exporter of refined gasoline.
 
2012-08-22 06:25:03 PM

namatad: I know for a fact that during the 40's there was a LOT less sea ice.


Really? You were there?

/And if you weren't, you have the data to back it up?
 
2012-08-22 06:25:17 PM
And already we're arguing the merits of various research projects.

It is entirely possible the pack ice was lower in other times. Probable, even. What derails these debates is that someone always trots in and says "O, but see the record only goes back 40 years so there's no evidence and blah blah blah." And if you attempt to insert some logical inferences in about historical times, that same person will say "O, but that's anecdotal evidence, there's no REAL evidence that pack ice receded before blah blah blah."

So here's my logical inferences: During the last known period of global warming, the so-called Medieval Warm Period (800-1300 BC or thereabouts), the pack ice around Greenland was low enough to allow the Vikings to discover a sea route from Iceland to Newfoundland, and to establish viable colonies on Greenland itself. Of course, there is no "hard evidence" to prove that, because the Vikings didn't keep records of how many centimeters thick the ice was; however, a hundred years later, at the start of the Little Ice Age (1450, give or take a few years), the pack ice was preventing the Vikings from fishing near shore or even catching seals to stave off starvation because the ice fields were so big, and the colonies had to be abandoned. Again, there is no "hard evidence" because they didn't leave anything behind except some abandoned villages where they'd eaten their cows right down to the hooves.

If the pack ice is opening up again, then we can safely assume it is because the water is warmer, and WHO CARES what's causing it? What we need to be doing is developing ways to cope with the RESULTS. Which the Vikings did not do.
 
2012-08-22 06:25:58 PM

Baelz: Arctic sea ice set to hit record low within days not seen since 1200 AD and 400 AD and oh every 800 years or so.

There subby I fixed it for ya.


Making stuff up out of thin air: The new climate change denial.
 
2012-08-22 06:27:08 PM

Fo Shiz: Kazan: but global warming is a myth! look at all this data i pulled out of my ass after exxon wrote me a $10m check!

No it's real and the current scientific consensus. Look at the computer model I created with my $20 million grant from the National Science Foundation! It works so well I'm getting another $20 million for next year!


Yes, I'm sure if scientists wanted to get rich, they'd take grants from an entity that can't even pay its bills over kickbacks from the corporation which has posted the largest profits of all time.
 
2012-08-22 06:27:28 PM
*R-mass looks outside*

nope world hasn't ended yet.
 
2012-08-22 06:28:40 PM
History of Arctic Sea Ice, part 2

no, it is not some 800 year cycle, or the glacial cycle, or a solar cycle.

climatologists are, in fact, aware of all these things. amazing, I know.
 
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