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(Boston Herald)   Sportswriter to Roger Clemens: Stop enjoying sports and stop making me write about you. Did I mention he was a Boston sportswriter?   (bostonherald.com) divider line 51
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2012-08-22 02:14:30 PM
yawn
 
2012-08-22 02:35:46 PM
There's certainly no reason for him to play baseball when he's proven that he can pitch better than most pitchers in the majors, now is there?. As long as he's clean, there's precedent for letting douche-bags play baseball (ahem...Ty Cobb).
 
2012-08-22 04:47:31 PM
Actually, he's a national Associated Press writer. Even putting "Paul Newberry sports writer boston" into Google doesn't bring up many stories he's written about Boston sports. Some Celtics blurbs back when the playoffs were going on is about it.
 
2012-08-22 05:30:40 PM
Clemens is a colossal douche, but playing in the minors just for the hell of it is pretty cool.
 
2012-08-22 05:37:31 PM
Nuke. Boston. Now.
 
2012-08-22 05:50:58 PM
white knighting Roger Clemens subby? Really?
 
2012-08-22 05:53:54 PM
Read a theory that Clemens was coming back to push back his inclusion on the HOF ballot so that it would not coincide with Bonds and Sosa (also on the ballot for the first time) as all would likely be voted down. Push back his ballot 5 years so the smoke could clear, and then add some nice stats like "pitched in x decades and collected 2 wins as a 50-year old? Not a bad plan, even if that isn't his goal.
 
2012-08-22 06:12:05 PM
Roger's not very bright if he thinks the pencil-necked geeks of the BBWAA are going to forget their stupid, illogical grudge against an entire era of players in 5 years

Pretty soon the baseball HOF is going to be an even bigger joke than the rock and roll HOF.
 
2012-08-22 06:17:59 PM
I'm sure the pitcher who got bumped from the rotation isn't to thrilled either.
 
2012-08-22 06:23:34 PM

jaylectricity: Actually, he's a national Associated Press writer. Even putting "Paul Newberry sports writer boston" into Google doesn't bring up many stories he's written about Boston sports. Some Celtics blurbs back when the playoffs were going on is about it.


Besides he writes for the Herald which is like the National Enquirer of Boston Newspapers.

/or NY Daily News or NY post, I'm not certain which one is more of a joke.
//paging Yanks_RSJ
 
2012-08-22 06:24:09 PM

fatalvenom: jaylectricity: Actually, he's a national Associated Press writer. Even putting "Paul Newberry sports writer boston" into Google doesn't bring up many stories he's written about Boston sports. Some Celtics blurbs back when the playoffs were going on is about it.

Besides he writes for the Herald which is like the National Enquirer of Boston Newspapers.

/or NY Daily News or NY post, I'm not certain which one is more of a joke.
//paging Yanks_RSJ


Besides (if) he writes...

Damn.
 
2012-08-22 06:27:56 PM
Going to Constellation Field friday night for Scout Night with my son. Won't get to see Clemens pitch but will get to see him in uniform.

Then we get to camp out in the outfield.

Gotta love the minor leagues. :-)
 
2012-08-22 06:43:48 PM

fatalvenom: jaylectricity: Actually, he's a national Associated Press writer. Even putting "Paul Newberry sports writer boston" into Google doesn't bring up many stories he's written about Boston sports. Some Celtics blurbs back when the playoffs were going on is about it.

Besides he writes for the Herald which is like the National Enquirer of Boston Newspapers.


But again...he's not writing for the Herald. He's writing for the AP and websites are picking it up. It's also on Huffington Post.
 
2012-08-22 06:53:31 PM

ElwoodCuse: Roger's not very bright if he thinks the pencil-necked geeks of the BBWAA are going to forget their stupid, illogical grudge against an entire era of players in 5 years

Pretty soon the baseball HOF is going to be an even bigger joke than the rock and roll HOF.


There's nothing stupid or illogical about keeping guys who built stats on juice rather than talent out of the HOF.
 
2012-08-22 07:01:03 PM

boyofd: Read a theory that Clemens was coming back to push back his inclusion on the HOF ballot so that it would not coincide with Bonds and Sosa (also on the ballot for the first time) as all would likely be voted down. Push back his ballot 5 years so the smoke could clear, and then add some nice stats like "pitched in x decades and collected 2 wins as a 50-year old? Not a bad plan, even if that isn't his goal.


Bad theory, since he has to play in the majors for it to reset that HoF vote. He's not getting to the majors. Heck, this one game could be it.
 
2012-08-22 07:05:06 PM

tenton: boyofd: Read a theory that Clemens was coming back to push back his inclusion on the HOF ballot so that it would not coincide with Bonds and Sosa (also on the ballot for the first time) as all would likely be voted down. Push back his ballot 5 years so the smoke could clear, and then add some nice stats like "pitched in x decades and collected 2 wins as a 50-year old? Not a bad plan, even if that isn't his goal.

Bad theory, since he has to play in the majors for it to reset that HoF vote. He's not getting to the majors. Heck, this one game could be it.


You're forgetting Steve Lyons. I think that if that guy could come back as often as he did, anything could happen.
 
2012-08-22 07:30:19 PM

PowerSlacker: ElwoodCuse: Roger's not very bright if he thinks the pencil-necked geeks of the BBWAA are going to forget their stupid, illogical grudge against an entire era of players in 5 years

Pretty soon the baseball HOF is going to be an even bigger joke than the rock and roll HOF.

There's nothing stupid or illogical about keeping guys who built stats on juice rather than talent out of the HOF.


Yes there is. Like it or not, it happened. It was a part of baseball, and people will not just forget the people who shined during that time. But I will say, no steroid players until Pete Rose gets in.
 
2012-08-22 07:56:49 PM

babysealclubber: But I will say, no steroid players until Pete Rose gets in.


Don't put Pete Rose in until he's dead.
 
2012-08-22 08:08:12 PM
Not one AW photo? Fark, I am disapoint.
 
2012-08-22 08:12:11 PM
I had actually pretty much forgotten about Clemens. Now Curt Schilling, on the other hand, he can DIAF.
 
2012-08-22 08:21:25 PM

jaylectricity: babysealclubber: But I will say, no steroid players until Pete Rose gets in.

Don't put Pete Rose in until he's dead.


I think Rose should be in already anyways because of his numbers. It's a museum. Let em all in as far as Im concerned. But I can handle "lifetime ban" means not in until dead. But Shoeless Joe Jackson had a lifetime ban, and he died December 5, 1951 and still isn't in. The guy's been dead almost as long as he was alive. The guy deserves recognition in a museum.
 
2012-08-22 08:58:36 PM
Did I mention he was a Boston sportswriter?

No, and why would you, really?
 
2012-08-22 09:05:50 PM

tenton: Bad theory, since he has to play in the majors for it to reset that HoF vote. He's not getting to the majors. Heck, this one game could be it.


If the Astros are playing a meaningless game that is only going to sell 8000 tickets they may call him up to try and increase attendance.
 
2012-08-22 09:32:58 PM

tenton: boyofd: Read a theory that Clemens was coming back to push back his inclusion on the HOF ballot so that it would not coincide with Bonds and Sosa (also on the ballot for the first time) as all would likely be voted down. Push back his ballot 5 years so the smoke could clear, and then add some nice stats like "pitched in x decades and collected 2 wins as a 50-year old? Not a bad plan, even if that isn't his goal.

Bad theory, since he has to play in the majors for it to reset that HoF vote. He's not getting to the majors. Heck, this one game could be it.


Wrong. He'll pitch one or two innings for the Astros and then hang it up. boyoed has it right, he's tight with the owners (unofficial coach), publicity going into the AL, and he'll fill the stands the day he pitches, Then he'll see how Sosa and Bonds fair in HOF voting and have five years to plot his course.
 
2012-08-22 09:37:52 PM

Suicide of a Phoenix: jaylectricity: babysealclubber: But I will say, no steroid players until Pete Rose gets in.

Don't put Pete Rose in until he's dead.

I think Rose should be in already anyways because of his numbers. It's a museum. Let em all in as far as Im concerned. But I can handle "lifetime ban" means not in until dead. But Shoeless Joe Jackson had a lifetime ban, and he died December 5, 1951 and still isn't in. The guy's been dead almost as long as he was alive. The guy deserves recognition in a museum.


Well, there's also the fact that most of the evidence against Jackson is not in any official record from any trial or hearing. If i had to swear my life on it, I'd probably go with him being innocent of it.

Rose...it's a screwed up situation. Can't prove that he bet against the Reds, but you can prove he bet on them, and a bunch of other things. Him being a prick since then doesn't help his cause.
 
2012-08-22 09:51:47 PM

FriarReb98: Suicide of a Phoenix: jaylectricity: babysealclubber: But I will say, no steroid players until Pete Rose gets in.

Don't put Pete Rose in until he's dead.

I think Rose should be in already anyways because of his numbers. It's a museum. Let em all in as far as Im concerned. But I can handle "lifetime ban" means not in until dead. But Shoeless Joe Jackson had a lifetime ban, and he died December 5, 1951 and still isn't in. The guy's been dead almost as long as he was alive. The guy deserves recognition in a museum.

Well, there's also the fact that most of the evidence against Jackson is not in any official record from any trial or hearing. If i had to swear my life on it, I'd probably go with him being innocent of it.

Rose...it's a screwed up situation. Can't prove that he bet against the Reds, but you can prove he bet on them, and a bunch of other things. Him being a prick since then doesn't help his cause.


I think Jackson took the money. Not much doubt there. I don't think he fully understood what it meant he was supposed to do for it. I don't think he actively tried to throw the series.
 
2012-08-22 10:48:41 PM
I think he's bored, in good shape and said fark it, why not? The stadium is 30 minutes from his house. The Skeeters are new in town and most people, even in Houston, haven't even heard of them or had any interest in going to a game. scalpers have flipped their shiat on this one. 8 dollar tickets are goin for 100 bucks for the saturday game.
 
2012-08-22 11:13:16 PM
I like how people whine about steroids while ignoring the fact that A WORLD SERIES WAS FIXED and if we're being honest with ourselves probably more than one was. But let's go on pretending there's only been cheating in one era of baseball.
 
2012-08-23 12:39:41 AM

jaylectricity: babysealclubber: But I will say, no steroid players until Pete Rose gets in.

Don't put Pete Rose in until he's dead.


If Pete Rose doesn't belong in the hall of fame, no one does.
 
2012-08-23 01:55:45 AM

Rent Party: jaylectricity: babysealclubber: But I will say, no steroid players until Pete Rose gets in.

Don't put Pete Rose in until he's dead.

If Pete Rose doesn't belong in the hall of fame, no one does.


I wouldn't say that. I mean I do think he belongs in the hall. Just that I don't think he's anywhere near one of my top twenty hitters or anything. But yeah, he belongs in the hall fer chrissakes already. The hall isn't for the players, it's for the fans. Those dickbags seem to have forgotten that.
 
2012-08-23 02:08:37 AM

chevydeuce: white knighting Roger Clemens subby? Really?


White Knighting douchebag overjealous sportswriters? Really?

Rent Party: jaylectricity: babysealclubber: But I will say, no steroid players until Pete Rose gets in.

Don't put Pete Rose in until he's dead.

If Pete Rose doesn't belong in the hall of fame, no one does.


See previous description of sportswriters. NONE of which has ever done ANYTHING immoral in THEIR lives.
 
2012-08-23 02:32:43 AM

JohnBigBootay: Rent Party:

If Pete Rose doesn't belong in the hall of fame, no one does.

I wouldn't say that. I mean I do think he belongs in the hall. Just that I don't think he's anywhere near one of my top twenty hitters or anything.


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You know, the closest active player to Rose'shiats record is Derek Jeter. He only needs 1000 more hits to catch him. And that's just one of the 16 different MLB career records he holds.

If Rose doesn't belong in the HoF, no one does.
 
2012-08-23 03:23:12 AM

Rent Party: JohnBigBootay: Rent Party:

If Pete Rose doesn't belong in the hall of fame, no one does.

I wouldn't say that. I mean I do think he belongs in the hall. Just that I don't think he's anywhere near one of my top twenty hitters or anything.

[notsureifserious.jpg]

You know, the closest active player to Rose'shiats record is Derek Jeter. He only needs 1000 more hits to catch him. And that's just one of the 16 different MLB career records he holds.

If Rose doesn't belong in the HoF, no one does.


Lets say you are starting a brand new hall of fame, the only catch is your first ceremony only inducts one guy. Are you going to tell me you'd pick Rose over Ruth, Aaron, Cobb, Mays, DiMaggio, Williams or Musial?
 
2012-08-23 07:12:41 AM

Rent Party: You know, the closest active player to Rose'shiats record is Derek Jeter. He only needs 1000 more hits to catch him.


There's no chance he's going to break Rose's record. He's great and all, but 200+ hits for the next 5 years? Not going to happen.
 
2012-08-23 08:37:27 AM

Rent Party: Clemens is a colossal douche, but playing in the minors just for the hell of it is pretty cool.


He does have form for it, you know.
 
2012-08-23 09:23:46 AM
An over-the-hill retired pro jock decides to suit up with a minor league team to prove "he still has it"? What kind of arrogant, self-centered douchebag would do that?

tedsobel.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-23 09:33:23 AM

WinoRhino: Rent Party: You know, the closest active player to Rose'shiats record is Derek Jeter. He only needs 1000 more hits to catch him.

There's no chance he's going to break Rose's record. He's great and all, but 200+ hits for the next 5 years? Not going to happen.


I tend to agree.
 
2012-08-23 10:44:40 AM

Suicide of a Phoenix: Rent Party: JohnBigBootay: Rent Party:

If Pete Rose doesn't belong in the hall of fame, no one does.

I wouldn't say that. I mean I do think he belongs in the hall. Just that I don't think he's anywhere near one of my top twenty hitters or anything.

[notsureifserious.jpg]

You know, the closest active player to Rose'shiats record is Derek Jeter. He only needs 1000 more hits to catch him. And that's just one of the 16 different MLB career records he holds.

If Rose doesn't belong in the HoF, no one does.

Lets say you are starting a brand new hall of fame, the only catch is your first ceremony only inducts one guy. Are you going to tell me you'd pick Rose over Ruth, Aaron, Cobb, Mays, DiMaggio, Williams or Musial?


I'd take Rose over Cobb, for obvious reasons. Musial was a great player, but holds no records. Same thing with Williams as well. Williams hit for .400, but he wasn't the first guy to do it, he was just the last guy to do it.

So out of that group, my four would be Ruth, Aaron, Mays, and Rose.
 
2012-08-23 10:46:13 AM

WinoRhino: Rent Party: You know, the closest active player to Rose'shiats record is Derek Jeter. He only needs 1000 more hits to catch him.

There's no chance he's going to break Rose's record. He's great and all, but 200+ hits for the next 5 years? Not going to happen.


That is exactly my point. "He only needs 1000 more hits!" is my bit of snark.

It is akin to "ONE HUNDRED BEEEELION DOLLARS!!!"
 
2012-08-23 11:33:59 AM

Rent Party: JohnBigBootay: Rent Party:

If Pete Rose doesn't belong in the hall of fame, no one does.

I wouldn't say that. I mean I do think he belongs in the hall. Just that I don't think he's anywhere near one of my top twenty hitters or anything.

[notsureifserious.jpg]

You know, the closest active player to Rose'shiats record is Derek Jeter. He only needs 1000 more hits to catch him. And that's just one of the 16 different MLB career records he holds.

If Rose doesn't belong in the HoF, no one does.


This.

I don't think that nobody else is or ever will be better than Rose and that if he isn't in there nobody should, I just think that by having no real reason to keep him out except a grudge shows how tainted the hall itself is, if you want to publicly show politics has its place in the hall over Pete Rose then don't demand respect for the hall itself.

/Would be great if after all the years and fighting they finally elect Rose and he declines....
 
2012-08-23 03:05:30 PM

protectyourlimbs:
I just think that by having no real reason to keep him out except a grudge shows how tainted the hall itself is


There's more to it than just a "grudge." Rose bet on baseball, a rule against which IS POSTED IN EVERY CLUBHOUSE, and repeatedly denied it. MLB let him on the field during the 1999 World Series as part of their All-Century team (does that sound like someone holding a grudge?) , which led to this memorable interview where he denied betting on baseball again. Then a couple of years later, after years of denials, he finally admits everything in his book.

/everybody forgets that the Black Sox were acquitted in court
//Shoeless Joe goes in the Hall before Rose
 
2012-08-23 03:11:41 PM

puckrock2000: protectyourlimbs:
I just think that by having no real reason to keep him out except a grudge shows how tainted the hall itself is

There's more to it than just a "grudge." Rose bet on baseball, a rule against which IS POSTED IN EVERY CLUBHOUSE, and repeatedly denied it. MLB let him on the field during the 1999 World Series as part of their All-Century team (does that sound like someone holding a grudge?) , which led to this memorable interview where he denied betting on baseball again. Then a couple of years later, after years of denials, he finally admits everything in his book.

/everybody forgets that the Black Sox were acquitted in court
//Shoeless Joe goes in the Hall before Rose


The HoF didn't formally change their rule banning admittance to banned players until 1991, specifically in response to the Rose situation. Prior to that, it was pure grudge. That they actually changed their rules is even more evidence of it. Rose is an asshole's asshole, but if he doesn't belong in the hall, no one does.
 
2012-08-23 03:54:40 PM

puckrock2000: protectyourlimbs:
I just think that by having no real reason to keep him out except a grudge shows how tainted the hall itself is

There's more to it than just a "grudge." Rose bet on baseball, a rule against which IS POSTED IN EVERY CLUBHOUSE, and repeatedly denied it. MLB let him on the field during the 1999 World Series as part of their All-Century team (does that sound like someone holding a grudge?) , which led to this memorable interview where he denied betting on baseball again. Then a couple of years later, after years of denials, he finally admits everything in his book.

/everybody forgets that the Black Sox were acquitted in court
//Shoeless Joe goes in the Hall before Rose


I have so much trouble working up any outrage for Pete Rose. The worst thing people level against his activities (not any lies about it), was that, "Well, gamblers could tell if he didn't bet, he didn't think they were going to win." Gee. So gamblers could use Pete Rose to tell if the team thought they had a tough game coming up. Well golly.
 
2012-08-23 04:05:34 PM
Shoeless Joe doesn't get in because he never actually got to finish out his career, so he's only borderline on his career stats anyway.

Mr Guy: I have so much trouble working up any outrage for Pete Rose. The worst thing people level against his activities (not any lies about it), was that, "Well, gamblers could tell if he didn't bet, he didn't think they were going to win."


Right, because a manager managing a game based on whether or not he has money on it isn't a problem.

If you think gambling on games YOU'RE INVOLVED IN is less of an offense than steroids (not saying you're saying this, but a lot of people do say it), you should probably not be allowed to even voice your opinion.
 
2012-08-23 04:25:59 PM

IAmRight: Shoeless Joe doesn't get in because he never actually got to finish out his career, so he's only borderline on his career stats anyway.

Mr Guy: I have so much trouble working up any outrage for Pete Rose. The worst thing people level against his activities (not any lies about it), was that, "Well, gamblers could tell if he didn't bet, he didn't think they were going to win."

Right, because a manager managing a game based on whether or not he has money on it isn't a problem.

If you think gambling on games YOU'RE INVOLVED IN is less of an offense than steroids (not saying you're saying this, but a lot of people do say it), you should probably not be allowed to even voice your opinion.


A manager managing a game that profits him to lose is a problem. A manager managing a game that it profits him to win is built into all their contracts, as long as the money doesn't come from other gamblers.
 
2012-08-23 04:27:15 PM

IAmRight: Shoeless Joe doesn't get in because he never actually got to finish out his career, so he's only borderline on his career stats anyway.



G AB H 2B 3B HR R RBI BB SO AVG OBP SLG
1,332 4,981 1,772 307 168 54 873 785 519 158 .356 .423 .517

I always thought he had monster numbers, but other than career average, you're right.
 
2012-08-23 05:16:53 PM

puckrock2000: protectyourlimbs:
I just think that by having no real reason to keep him out except a grudge shows how tainted the hall itself is

There's more to it than just a "grudge." Rose bet on baseball, a rule against which IS POSTED IN EVERY CLUBHOUSE, and repeatedly denied it. MLB let him on the field during the 1999 World Series as part of their All-Century team (does that sound like someone holding a grudge?) , which led to this memorable interview where he denied betting on baseball again. Then a couple of years later, after years of denials, he finally admits everything in his book.

/everybody forgets that the Black Sox were acquitted in court
//Shoeless Joe goes in the Hall before Rose


Rent Party beat me to it, if he bet against his team you'd have a better argument but no, its personal only... In my opinion the HoF is tainted once personal feelings become a part of it.
 
2012-08-24 07:15:06 AM

protectyourlimbs: puckrock2000: protectyourlimbs:
I just think that by having no real reason to keep him out except a grudge shows how tainted the hall itself is

There's more to it than just a "grudge." Rose bet on baseball, a rule against which IS POSTED IN EVERY CLUBHOUSE, and repeatedly denied it. MLB let him on the field during the 1999 World Series as part of their All-Century team (does that sound like someone holding a grudge?) , which led to this memorable interview where he denied betting on baseball again. Then a couple of years later, after years of denials, he finally admits everything in his book.

/everybody forgets that the Black Sox were acquitted in court
//Shoeless Joe goes in the Hall before Rose

Rent Party beat me to it, if he bet against his team you'd have a better argument but no, its personal only... In my opinion the HoF is tainted once personal feelings become a part of it.


I am sure that Rose never bet AGAINST the Reds. The point is that when he DIDN'T bet on the Reds, he was working with the gamblers nonetheless. Further, Rose put himself in a situation in which he could easily have been manipulated by the gamblers. Even further, he burned out his pitchers and made managerial choices based upon the bets he placed, an interest not always in line with the team's best interest.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:02 AM

Mr Guy: A manager managing a game that profits him to lose is a problem. A manager managing a game that it profits him to win is built into all their contracts, as long as the money doesn't come from other gamblers.


Unless you're betting the same amount on every game on your team to win, it absolutely alters how you manage a game, how you manage the season, and it creates a massive problem for the league. Perhaps everyone now thinks that leagues can't fail, but back in the day, gambling scandals did threaten to take down major sports leagues.

I wonder if he turned some Reds prospects into pre-Mark Priors by working them extra hard in games he bet on?
 
2012-08-24 03:38:25 PM

IAmRight: Mr Guy: A manager managing a game that profits him to lose is a problem. A manager managing a game that it profits him to win is built into all their contracts, as long as the money doesn't come from other gamblers.

Unless you're betting the same amount on every game on your team to win, it absolutely alters how you manage a game, how you manage the season, and it creates a massive problem for the league. Perhaps everyone now thinks that leagues can't fail, but back in the day, gambling scandals did threaten to take down major sports leagues.

I wonder if he turned some Reds prospects into pre-Mark Priors by working them extra hard in games he bet on?


I was thinking about that, and I guess, if we allow that he's stupid, and no one else was paying attention to his performance, that's true. Otherwise, it's in his selfish best interest to win the games either way, and he's financially motivated similarly either way. Your contract and your bonuses are already directly ties to the same kind of statistics he was betting on. It's very hard to me to understand any sport that allows built in incentives in their contracts, but makes gambling illegal. In either situation, he's directly financially rewarded for BOTH winning as many games as possible, AND for winning as long into the post season as possible. In either situation, selfish behavior should motivate the decisions to be pretty similar, since basically he was rewarding himself for doing what he was already being directly rewarded for. If he was making harmful decisions, it should be immediately obvious to anyone monitoring the team and realizing he wasn't acting in the best interests of the team. Was that how he was caught?
 
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