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2012-08-22 01:07:51 PM  
[Insert your own "Vowel Movement" joke here.]
 
2012-08-22 01:32:54 PM  
Good jorb there, guys.
 
2012-08-22 01:36:00 PM  
Ya dere, up by da lakes dere. I mean, criminey.

/my exes stepdad talked like that
//annoyed the shiat out of me when I wasn't laughing at him
 
2012-08-22 01:36:30 PM  
My grandmother was from Syracuse and she used to call a "couch" a "davenport"
 
2012-08-22 01:37:10 PM  

vernonFL: My grandmother was from Syracuse and she used to call a "couch" a "davenport"


You mean a chesterfield?
 
2012-08-22 01:37:39 PM  
People,
Pay attention.
UP is Not a Verb!
You may Not Up, Down, sideways, or diagonally anything. You must use a Verb, then You may modify it.

You may learn a lesson, or loosen your belt, but you may not lessen anything. You must decrease it.

/Grammar Natzi
 
2012-08-22 01:39:09 PM  
so I can not "up the ante"?
 
2012-08-22 01:39:26 PM  
WEST?
Milwaukee is in the WEST now???
 
2012-08-22 01:39:31 PM  
Being born and raised in the Salt City, and living in the Westernmost of the three sisters, until the rest of you learn that it is 'soda' and that 'orange' has one syllable, I refuse to believe this.

/Go oranj
 
2012-08-22 01:39:31 PM  
Most of this sounds like standard northern english, except for "bosses with antennas on tap" which is clearly Seth Effrican.
 
2012-08-22 01:39:41 PM  
I think this article has a whole lot of BS in it.

Meet me at the bubbler - I will explain it to you.
 
Zel
2012-08-22 01:39:45 PM  

Monongahela Misfit: People,
Pay attention.
UP is Not a Verb!
You may Not Up, Down, sideways, or diagonally anything. You must use a Verb, then You may modify it.

You may learn a lesson, or loosen your belt, but you may not lessen anything. You must decrease it.

/Grammar Natzi


I'll lessen your patience.

AND Miwaukee aint got no accent atall.
 
2012-08-22 01:39:59 PM  

vernonFL: My grandmother was from Syracuse and she used to call a "couch" a "davenport"


I really hate how people blame Syracuse for Rochesterisms.

Also, as someone who grew up in Syracuse (and goddamit, that's pronounced "Sarah Cuse" not farking "Sear a cuse"!) and moved to Pittsburgh, I don't want to hear any talk about how my town butchers a language.
 
2012-08-22 01:40:44 PM  
up francis lighten
 
2012-08-22 01:40:47 PM  

jigger: vernonFL: My grandmother was from Syracuse and she used to call a "couch" a "davenport"

You mean a chesterfield?



i116.photobucket.com
Ha!


/close enough
 
2012-08-22 01:40:55 PM  
They should do a study about how their articles seem to just ramble on an on without really saying much.

Besides, everyone knows the Brits are the ones that are completley bastardizing english.

/bunch of wankers they are
 
2012-08-22 01:42:17 PM  
Not surprising at all. Languages are in a constant evolution.

English sound changes have historically been vowels. The only exception to that rule I think is the extinction of the Yogh "gh" (Old English ȝ). Other consonant like the ash, thorn, and the wynn only changed in the written form as they were made extinct by new spelling.

German is the most extreme of all the Germanic languages when it comes to sound change. For instance, "that" versus "das". They both come from the same ancestor word. In parts of southern Germany, it goes even farther, as in English "god" and Bavarian German "kott". Both from the same word again. Dutch was only slightly affected by the consonant changes (they only lost the thorn (th). For example, English "that" Dutch "dat")

One of the most interesting sound changes in English can be found in one word: thou. In old English, Thou was "thu"(Pronounced as "thew" or rhymes with "stew" (too lazy to look up the code for the thorn)). Because of sound changes in German and Dutch, their "thu" became "du", which many mistake as a perfect translation for "you". It is not a perfect translation as you as "du" must have specific inflections (i.e. in the Bible you will see things like "Thou hast" or "he leadeth", those are the last remnants of a once powerful Germanic inflection system)
 
2012-08-22 01:42:42 PM  
It's a cellar, not a basement. 

/'Cuseish
 
2012-08-22 01:42:42 PM  
grew up in rAAAAAAchester, moved south many moons ago. When I visit i still find the accent grating.
 
2012-08-22 01:43:12 PM  
I grew up outside of Detroit. I know I have an accent because when I travel people tell me I do. I live in Atlanta now and the poor 70 year old woman from Tennessee who lives next door can't understand me sometimes.

But I do not hear my accent. I do not hear the accent in other Midwest speakers.

I know I say "sacks" or even "sex" for "socks", but I don't hear it.
I have to really over emphasize (in my mind) an "oh" sound for the word to sound correct to others.
 
2012-08-22 01:43:29 PM  
Hell, I could have told them that American dialects aren't disappearing. Everyone these days can adopt the indistinct, standard American "accent" and speak the standard form. But almost everyone reverts to the dialect of their youth (those who moved around a lot are exceptions of course). People speak of the Southern accent, but in reality, there are at least eight different Southern accents. People in Tennessee sound slightly different than people in Georgia, who sound different than Alabamans. And there are at least three separate dialects in North Carolina alone. South Carolinians, while similar to Georgians, tend to speak more slowly, use longer vowel sounds and insert half syllables -- "boy' ---> bo-wi.

I think the diversity of dialects and the cultural differences in America is awesome.
 
2012-08-22 01:44:00 PM  

jigger: vernonFL: My grandmother was from Syracuse and she used to call a "couch" a "davenport"

You mean a chesterfield?


No, he means a cricket
 
2012-08-22 01:45:30 PM  

Weidbrewer: vernonFL: My grandmother was from Syracuse and she used to call a "couch" a "davenport"

I really hate how people blame Syracuse for Rochesterisms.

Also, as someone who grew up in Syracuse (and goddamit, that's pronounced "Sarah Cuse" not farking "Sear a cuse"!) and moved to Pittsburgh, I don't want to hear any talk about how my town butchers a language.


Yeah, it's actually pronounced "SCARE-A-CUSE"
 
2012-08-22 01:45:32 PM  

AncientLurker: grew up in rAAAAAAchester, moved south many moons ago. When I visit i still find the accent grating.


Amen, brother.
 
2012-08-22 01:45:35 PM  

Weidbrewer: Also, as someone who grew up in Syracuse (and goddamit, that's pronounced "Sarah Cuse" not farking "Sear a cuse"!) and moved to Pittsburgh, I don't want to hear any talk about how my town butchers a language.


Um. Unless you're Westcott nation, University hill, North side or Tip hill, and then it's Syr(Sear)-a-cuse. Just sayin'.

/Want to put fist through television at Buffalo broadcasters who say 'sair- accuse' not kidding. Sair (rhymes with air) accuse, like, I accuse you of something. WTF did that come from?
 
2012-08-22 01:47:00 PM  
I'm not worred unless the rest of you start using the word "bubbler" in your everyday communications.
 
2012-08-22 01:47:28 PM  
How cunning.

/oblig
 
2012-08-22 01:47:38 PM  

Monongahela Misfit: People,
Pay attention.
UP is Not a Verb!
You may Not Up, Down, sideways, or diagonally anything. You must use a Verb, then You may modify it.

You may learn a lesson, or loosen your belt, but you may not lessen anything. You must decrease it.

/Grammar Natzi Nazi


FTFY
/irony
 
2012-08-22 01:47:57 PM  

LabGrrl: Um. Unless you're Westcott nation, University hill, North side or Tip hill, and then it's Syr(Sear)-a-cuse. Just sayin'.


Yeah, but some of those people don't even know which end of a traffic light is supposed to be green, so I've never put much stock in them.
 
2012-08-22 01:51:30 PM  

JackieRabbit: (those who moved around a lot are exceptions of course). .


This is me! or so I have been told. I have lived all across the country while I can sort of mimic certain accents and have a few phrases that are considered regional, I picked up Y'all when living in the south, I really don't have an accent. You would be hard pressed to tell me where I lived the longest.

/get a few drinks in me and one other person from NY or NJ and all bets are off.
 
2012-08-22 01:52:37 PM  

Solchie: I'm not worred unless the rest of you start using the word "bubbler" in your everyday communications.


Not only do I say that word, but it's pronounced "bubblah or bubbla"

Pahk the cah side by each with the other one.

Throw me up the stairs, my shoes.

I looked for my keys, there they were, gone.
 
2012-08-22 01:52:51 PM  

Weidbrewer: LabGrrl: Um. Unless you're Westcott nation, University hill, North side or Tip hill, and then it's Syr(Sear)-a-cuse. Just sayin'.

Yeah, but some of those people don't even know which end of a traffic light is supposed to be green, so I've never put much stock in them.


Come up here and say that with my family behind you. They're all at Coleman's, someone got married.
....like last week, and the week before, and the week before that.

/#%#%@! aren't even Irish. They are Scottish...and if it's not Scottish its-
//You calling me crap? You calling me crap? I'll show you crap!
//Boys, Boys, take that shiat to Rosies.
 
2012-08-22 01:52:58 PM  

Monongahela Misfit: People,
Pay attention.
UP is Not a Verb!
You may Not Up, Down, sideways, or diagonally anything. You must use a Verb, then You may modify it.

You may learn a lesson, or loosen your belt, but you may not lessen anything. You must decrease it.

/Grammar Natzi


i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-22 01:53:27 PM  

Weidbrewer: vernonFL: My grandmother was from Syracuse and she used to call a "couch" a "davenport"

I really hate how people blame Syracuse for Rochesterisms.

Also, as someone who grew up in Syracuse (and goddamit, that's pronounced "Sarah Cuse" not farking "Sear a cuse"!) and moved to Pittsburgh, I don't want to hear any talk about how my town butchers a language.


NYCer here, so what do I know, but I've always pronounced it "serra cuse," is that acceptable? Or is it required that I physically hold my nose on that first A?
 
2012-08-22 01:54:05 PM  

ActionFigure: so I can not "up the ante"?


Only in a card game as a specific term for increasing a wager, or Bat/Bet/Bit depending on Your location specific elocution :-)

/really, I'm far from perfect, but I think it's worth the effort to be as close to established standards as possible.
 
2012-08-22 01:54:59 PM  

IHadMeAVision: Weidbrewer: vernonFL: My grandmother was from Syracuse and she used to call a "couch" a "davenport"

I really hate how people blame Syracuse for Rochesterisms.

Also, as someone who grew up in Syracuse (and goddamit, that's pronounced "Sarah Cuse" not farking "Sear a cuse"!) and moved to Pittsburgh, I don't want to hear any talk about how my town butchers a language.

NYCer here, so what do I know, but I've always pronounced it "serra cuse," is that acceptable? Or is it required that I physically hold my nose on that first A?


And by A I mean Y, of course.
 
2012-08-22 01:55:28 PM  
We should discuss this over a pop.
 
2012-08-22 01:56:03 PM  

Monongahela Misfit: People,
Pay attention.
UP is Not a Verb!
You may Not Up, Down, sideways, or diagonally anything. You must use a Verb, then You may modify it.

You may learn a lesson, or loosen your belt, but you may not lessen anything. You must decrease it.

/Grammar Natzi


Wrong... you suck grammar natzi .. you can lessen many things ...http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lessen
 
2012-08-22 01:56:04 PM  

Solchie: I'm not worred unless the rest of you start using the word "bubbler" in your everyday communications.


Oh, the forever debate of my word is better than yours.

I remember having this debate with my high school friends (and college, too). I grew up calling it a bubbler, until I started reading lots of books. Then the name stuck out as odd to me. When asking my other Wisconsin natives about the situation, apparently a fountain is only a fountain if you can swim in it. If you can not, then it ceases to be a fountain and turns into a bubbler. Or something.

/It's soda
//Not pop
///And if you call it coke, it better be coca-cola you lazy ragamuffin
////pass the Kleenex
 
2012-08-22 01:56:08 PM  

imtheonlylp: Monongahela Misfit: People,
Pay attention.
UP is Not a Verb!
You may Not Up, Down, sideways, or diagonally anything. You must use a Verb, then You may modify it.

You may learn a lesson, or loosen your belt, but you may not lessen anything. You must decrease it.

/Grammar Natzi Nazi

FTFY
/irony


Thank you, I sit Corrected.
 
2012-08-22 01:57:01 PM  

ActionFigure: I grew up outside of Detroit. I know I have an accent because when I travel people tell me I do. I live in Atlanta now and the poor 70 year old woman from Tennessee who lives next door can't understand me sometimes.

But I do not hear my accent. I do not hear the accent in other Midwest speakers.

I know I say "sacks" or even "sex" for "socks", but I don't hear it.
I have to really over emphasize (in my mind) an "oh" sound for the word to sound correct to others.


I didn't know anything about a Michigan accent until I moved from Detroit to NYC after college and would come back for visits. The most obvious Michigan-style pronunciation to me is Deeyad instead of Dad. Then there's the classic I Spelt Melk on my Pellow.
 
2012-08-22 01:57:09 PM  
In California, we speak the world-infecting Western English of the movies, so the best attempt at an accent we have is the occasional "probly" and "grosheries", and of course dropping "like" all over the place.

Boring.

Except in Wal-Marts and truck stops, where you hear inexplicably Southern accents (not hyperbole-WTF is this).
And I guess Mexican Spanish accents all around ... though do accents count in actual Spanish?
 
2012-08-22 01:57:36 PM  

IHadMeAVision: NYCer here, so what do I know, but I've always pronounced it "serra cuse," is that acceptable? Or is it required that I physically hold my nose on that first A?


I will allow it.

LabGrrl: Come up here and say that with my family behind you, etc


Man, I got a good laugh out of that.

Tell ya what - why don't we meet at Hafner's, have a Reece's Flurry and be friends.

\Hafner's still has ice cream, right? Please tell me they do.
 
2012-08-22 01:57:46 PM  

IHadMeAVision: Weidbrewer: vernonFL: My grandmother was from Syracuse and she used to call a "couch" a "davenport"

I really hate how people blame Syracuse for Rochesterisms.

Also, as someone who grew up in Syracuse (and goddamit, that's pronounced "Sarah Cuse" not farking "Sear a cuse"!) and moved to Pittsburgh, I don't want to hear any talk about how my town butchers a language.

NYCer here, so what do I know, but I've always pronounced it "serra cuse," is that acceptable? Or is it required that I physically hold my nose on that first A?


Interesting. I'm from suburban NYC and always pronounced it "sear a cuse". Sorry, Weidbrewer
 
2012-08-22 01:59:09 PM  
Puerto Ricans say "Caesars" for "scissors".

/nothin'
 
2012-08-22 01:59:14 PM  

Monongahela Misfit: imtheonlylp: Monongahela Misfit: People,
Pay attention.
UP is Not a Verb!
You may Not Up, Down, sideways, or diagonally anything. You must use a Verb, then You may modify it.

You may learn a lesson, or loosen your belt, but you may not lessen anything. You must decrease it.

/Grammar Natzi Nazi

FTFY
/irony

Thank you, I sit Corrected.


Dann verstehen Sie meinen Kampf.
 
2012-08-22 01:59:27 PM  

IHadMeAVision: Weidbrewer: vernonFL: My grandmother was from Syracuse and she used to call a "couch" a "davenport"

I really hate how people blame Syracuse for Rochesterisms.

Also, as someone who grew up in Syracuse (and goddamit, that's pronounced "Sarah Cuse" not farking "Sear a cuse"!) and moved to Pittsburgh, I don't want to hear any talk about how my town butchers a language.

NYCer here, so what do I know, but I've always pronounced it "serra cuse," is that acceptable? Or is it required that I physically hold my nose on that first A?


Just do what politicians doing stump speeches say, and say 'the cuse' (rhymes with use.) No one else says it, but you don't take sides.
But repeat after me. "Ornj," One syllable. That's why townies laugh when kids on the hill say 'lets go or-ange.' (same # beats as ornj-men) This is very important. Also, you have to acknowledge it was originally so named to be an insult, then cheer any SU float at the St. Patrick's day parade.

Also, Hoffman's are the best hotdogs ever, only mustard and SODA, damnit. What did I leave out? Dinosaur is the best bbq ever, and fark Buffalo.
 
2012-08-22 01:59:37 PM  
My family moved from a 40 minute commute to Manhattan, to Syracuse when I was 9. My mother's name is Ann and My name is Ian. When someone phoned for either of us, we couldn't tell who they were asking for. Ian and Ann sounded somewhere in-between.

Oh, and sarah-cuse just sounds stupid. Besides, the winter nickname for Syracuse is Siberacuse. Seer is just correct. Yes, the locals are wrong.
 
2012-08-22 02:01:14 PM  
Having grown up in michigan, and mainly around the detroit area, I gotta call shenanigans on some of that. I have never heard anyone in michigan say 'jab' when they were trying to say 'job'. Yes, when you go to the U.P. you do get strong accents, but those are more similar to a canadian/minnesotan pronunciation of things than anything unique.

For several years I also had a job that required me to travel to many different regions of the country, and no one ever had difficulty understanding me or even commented on my accent. I even had a company hire me specifically because of my ability to speak clearly (vendor rep for Marmot outdoor brand).

I swear studies like this find the biggest bumpkins they can who use the furthest from the norm pronunciations in order to make these studies worthwhile.
 
2012-08-22 02:01:16 PM  

Weidbrewer:

I really hate how people blame Syracuse for Rochesterisms.



You mean it's not called Dina-soar Barb Eh Qu?
 
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