ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Question: Under this law, what if you keep the door closed, but only answer verbally?
gretzkyscores: fireclown:CSB: I made a policeman get a warrant to search my car once. I just sort of wanted to see what would happen. He radioed in, and the legal aces back at the station got a judge to issue a warrant. A cruiser dropped it off about an hour and a half later, they searched my trunk and found nothing. Looking back, it wasn't a good way to spend an afternoon.*fist bump to fireclown*Actually, IMO, forcing the cops to follow protocol is an *excellent* way to spend an afternoon. Would that more of us were willing to invest the time necessary to keep our public servants "honest", especially when we have nothing to hide. Perhaps if we did so en masse, over time cops would learn to not be so cavalier about citizen's rights, searches and search warrants.
RandomRandom: Giltric: Solution.....talk to all local landlords and ask them for a key to the house/apartment and permission to enter their property to answer a complaint.That's not how US law works.The resident of a house has 4th amendment rights, not just the landlord. Even if the landlord gives the police a key, they still need a warrant. (And thank god we don't have a 2-class 4th amendment, one for home owners and another for renters. We have enough class division as it is.)The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.The 4th Amendment, it's your friend.
RandomRandom: a very easy fix for the students is to build an temporary wooden alcove inside their front doors,
consider this: BolloxReader: Those are, in my view, far more important violations than anything noise related (unless you are testing sonic weapons). Noise ordinances are about neighbors not being compatible, that is the long and the short of it. And the police shouldn't be the solution to a cultural problem.So I could move in next to you, blast my stereo 24 hours a day, extra loud while you were trying to sleep, just for the lulz, and you'd just accept it and find somewhere else to live?
Aarontology: In those situations, a search warrant would be necessary to get inside, but that could take a couple of hours, if it's successful, and police Chief Sam Hargadine said that wasn't a good use of his officers' time.Following the Constitution is not a good use of his officers' time.
GAT_00: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: GAT_00: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Aarontology: DammitIForgotMyLogin: It just strikes me as an incredibly stupid move.Think like a college student. Opening the door to the cops means they could see something illegal.Or maybe they're just hoping they'll go away and think it's too much of a hassle to get a warrant over a noise complaint.But surely making it so that they'll show up with a warrant to actually come in makes it more likely they'd see something illegal?Yeah, it doesn't matter what the warrant is for, any criminal activity is considered a valid search under our absurd laws. The warrant can really be for anything, once inside it's all fair game.Give it five years tops, and you'll see these hard on crime conservatives asking why we need warrants at all.For the first part, warrants aren't free tickets to search for anything the police feel like. The nature of the warrant and the specifics of the search parameters have to be defined.For the second, that's an awfully generous assumption. I'd argue less than 2 years.That's cute, you think there are still limits to the power of a police search.
ThrobblefootSpectre: College students being self-absorbed asshats annoying everyone within a city block around them while avoiding any social responsibility? Wow, there's a surprise.A noise ordinance. The horror! Someone dust off a copy of the constitution and start gibbering about it.
Sybarite: I don't see why they have to bother with the provision about whether or not someone answers the door. Why not just set clear noise ordinance guidelines and fines for violating them, then have the cops write a citation and leave in on the front door the same way you would a parking ticket on a car?
AverageAmericanGuy: Aarontology: Yeah, if the cops had a warrant it'd be another matter entirely.Yeah, if the cops had a warrant it's be another matter[2.bp.blogspot.com image 484x317]
Mangoose: On one hand, that is a blatant violation of the law and the police chief should be let go and then charged. On the other hand, fark teenagers. Those guys suck.
DammitIForgotMyLogin: It's not that they're refusing to let officers in, it's that they're refusing to come and answer the door.Personally, having lived next door to some annoying farktards who loved playing loud music at all hours of the night, i'd support just evicting the douchebags, rather than pansying around with a small fine.
Mangoose: Also, what happened to the ol' "smelled marijuana" tactic?
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