Aarontology: DammitIForgotMyLogin: It's not that they're refusing to let officers in, it's that they're refusing to come and answer the door.And?
GAT_00: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: GAT_00: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Aarontology: DammitIForgotMyLogin: It just strikes me as an incredibly stupid move.Think like a college student. Opening the door to the cops means they could see something illegal.Or maybe they're just hoping they'll go away and think it's too much of a hassle to get a warrant over a noise complaint.But surely making it so that they'll show up with a warrant to actually come in makes it more likely they'd see something illegal?Yeah, it doesn't matter what the warrant is for, any criminal activity is considered a valid search under our absurd laws. The warrant can really be for anything, once inside it's all fair game.Give it five years tops, and you'll see these hard on crime conservatives asking why we need warrants at all.For the first part, warrants aren't free tickets to search for anything the police feel like. The nature of the warrant and the specifics of the search parameters have to be defined.For the second, that's an awfully generous assumption. I'd argue less than 2 years.That's cute, you think there are still limits to the power of a police search.
DammitIForgotMyLogin: Aarontology: DammitIForgotMyLogin: It just strikes me as an incredibly stupid move.Think like a college student. Opening the door to the cops means they could see something illegal.Or maybe they're just hoping they'll go away and think it's too much of a hassle to get a warrant over a noise complaint.But surely making it so that they'll show up with a warrant to actually come in makes it more likely they'd see something illegal?
DammitIForgotMyLogin: It's not that they're refusing to let officers in, it's that they're refusing to come and answer the door.
cig-mkr: And just who are they going to fine the $1000?I wasn't home at the time and didn't authorize any party your Honor.
Mangoose: Elandriel: Gonna have to second this. The cops can come back with a warrant. It's not illegal to ignore someone at your front door, last I checked.At the moment, anyways. The law is not some stone tablet forged upon a mountain top. It's a book written and rewritten by millions upon millions of people every day. If enough people want to make a law, they will. Whether the legality of that law holds can take a long time to decide.
Elandriel: Gonna have to second this. The cops can come back with a warrant. It's not illegal to ignore someone at your front door, last I checked.
Tumunga: I remember the good old days when the cops would come to the front door, teenage drinking all about, and tell you the neighbors are complaining, turn the noise down, then leave. Also, I remember when you got pulled over, open booze containers in the car, and the cops would make you pour your booze out, then tell you to drive straight home.What the fark happened?/onion on my belt, etc.
Selector: Is there any college kid in america under 21 who hasn't had at least one alcoholic drink?? Can't we just get rid of stupid laws already??
consider this: lennavan: Heh yeah, the only people who need rights are the guilty ones. Repeal the 5th amendment, right?Yeah, that's exactly what that means. Holy hell, these threads really do turn some of you retarded.
consider this: have an idea that's just crazy enough to work, how about you don't do illegal shiat
SpectroBoy: This boils down to cops who are too lazy to spend a few hours to stay within the constitution.
fireclown: CSB: I made a policeman get a warrant to search my car once. I just sort of wanted to see what would happen. He radioed in, and the legal aces back at the station got a judge to issue a warrant. A cruiser dropped it off about an hour and a half later, they searched my trunk and found nothing. Looking back, it wasn't a good way to spend an afternoon.
DammitIForgotMyLogin: It's not that they're refusing to let officers in, it's that they're refusing to come and answer the door.Personally, having lived next door to some annoying farktards who loved playing loud music at all hours of the night, i'd support just evicting the douchebags, rather than pansying around with a small fine.
Giltric: Solution.....talk to all local landlords and ask them for a key to the house/apartment and permission to enter their property to answer a complaint.
consider this: lennavan: I love that you keep pretending like this is about some guy at home alone playing his music too loud so the cop shows up to politely ask him to stop. Frickin love it. Hey man, I can't argue against your imagination. When reality comes back to you, we can talk about how they want you to answer the door so they can look beyond you for all the tickets they can write. I now return you to your imagination that actually thinks cops can't just knock on the door and use their voice through the door to demand they turn the music down.Yes, cops are out to fark you over any chance they get. Let it go man, they were just doing their job when they told you not to skateboard in the bank parking lot.
The Muthaship: cig-mkr: And just who are they going to fine the $1000?I wasn't home at the time and didn't authorize any party your Honor.In other news, it just got harder to get your roommate to put his name on the lease....
consider this: lennavan: Their current method has a 95% success rate of preventing future noise violations and a 100% success rate after the second time.Those stats do not include cases where officers can't make contact with the people in the home.
DammitIForgotMyLogin: Scenario 1: The cops knock on your door, you open it, they tell you they've had some noise complaints and don't come into the house and discover anything that you might be doing that they'd have grounds to arrest you for.
Mr Guy: lennavan: The current system has higher than a 95% success rate. You say it's not good enough. Care to explain that one to me?The current numbers are for people who participated in the current system. The current numbers do not capture the people who figured out they can just ignore the cops.
consider this: Does everybody just go full retard whenever there's an article involving the police?
consider this: The simple solution here is for the cops to show up, tell the people to keep the noise down and then be on their way. Dickheads are being dicks and not answering the door, meaning that the only way the cops can make contact is to get a warrant and kick in the door.
consider this: Once word gets around the the dickheads that there's a substantial fine for being a dick, they'll stop being dicks and answering the door. Better yet, maybe they'll stop being dicks and not make so much noise in the first place.College dicks are dicks./dicks
Sybarite: I don't see why they have to bother with the provision about whether or not someone answers the door. Why not just set clear noise ordinance guidelines and fines for violating them, then have the cops write a citation and leave in on the front door the same way you would a parking ticket on a car?
Flakeloaf: Dogberry: "The City Council voted 7-0 Tuesday night on the first consideration of an ordinance amending the city's nuisance rental property regulations to allow for a civil citation for disorderly house when occupants do not answer the door."This is who can enact ordinances, biatch about them.^^Read this.This situation has nothing to do with cops kicking down doors looking for a roach and a penny-sleeve full of stems. This is about people in noisy houses who can't or won't answer teh door when someone asks them to turn their shiat off. Usually that's a courtesy call before your loud noise by-law kicks in and people start getting fines. This city's council has just taken away that privilege.Solution: Turn your stereo down or invite your neighbours over.
Mangoose: Also, what happened to the ol' "smelled marijuana" tactic?
Vodka Zombie: Looks like some people will be getting $1000 back from the Constitutionally-illiterate police.
DammitIForgotMyLogin: It just strikes me as an incredibly stupid move.
Aarontology: Elandriel: Gonna have to second this. The cops can come back with a warrant. It's not illegal to ignore someone at your front door, last I checked.Yeah, if the cops had a warrant it'd be another matter entirely.
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