Sybarite: I don't see why they have to bother with the provision about whether or not someone answers the door. Why not just set clear noise ordinance guidelines and fines for violating them, then have the cops write a citation and leave in on the front door the same way you would a parking ticket on a car?
Flakeloaf: Dogberry: "The City Council voted 7-0 Tuesday night on the first consideration of an ordinance amending the city's nuisance rental property regulations to allow for a civil citation for disorderly house when occupants do not answer the door."This is who can enact ordinances, biatch about them.^^Read this.This situation has nothing to do with cops kicking down doors looking for a roach and a penny-sleeve full of stems.
Aarontology: Yeah, if the cops had a warrant it'd be another matter entirely.
Mangoose: That's all any cop had to say when I was a young whore..
AverageAmericanGuy: Aarontology: Yeah, if the cops had a warrant it'd be another matter entirely.Yeah, if the cops had a warrant it's be another matter[2.bp.blogspot.com image 484x317]
cig-mkr: And just who are they going to fine the $1000?I wasn't home at the time and didn't authorize any party your Honor.
Selector: Is there any college kid in america under 21 who hasn't had at least one alcoholic drink?? Can't we just get rid of stupid laws already??
Flakeloaf: Dogberry: "The City Council voted 7-0 Tuesday night on the first consideration of an ordinance amending the city's nuisance rental property regulations to allow for a civil citation for disorderly house when occupants do not answer the door."This is who can enact ordinances, biatch about them.^^Read this.This situation has nothing to do with cops kicking down doors looking for a roach and a penny-sleeve full of stems. This is about people in noisy houses who can't or won't answer teh door when someone asks them to turn their shiat off. Usually that's a courtesy call before your loud noise by-law kicks in and people start getting fines. This city's council has just taken away that privilege.Solution: Turn your stereo down or invite your neighbours over.
SandMann: I'm not a lawyer, but if the cops come to a party that is obviously a nuisance, isn't that a violation of the law and aren't they permitted to enter at that point? Just bring a vid cam to CYA and the cops should be fine.
Emposter: Ryan2065: After reading the article, it doesn't sound THAT bad. It looks like the city has an ordinance where, if you are a "disorderly house" you are fined. The rules say the police have to come to your house twice for noise complaints before anything is done, and you aren't instantly fined, there is a review process first.. Now, if you refuse to answer your door, the review process is started right away, and the city housing inspectors are told your house needs to be reviewed to see if it is disorderly and if they should or shouldn't be fined. If you disagree with the fine (if you are eventually fined) you can show up in court and dispute it, like a speeding ticket.The article was a little light on the details, but that's what I pieced together from it.Pretty much came to say this. I was even going to make a comparison to speeding cameras, where they fine you even though they don't know if it was you driving...similar to fining all the tenants even if they don't know you were at the party.
lennavan: The current system has higher than a 95% success rate. You say it's not good enough. Care to explain that one to me?
Hydra: Just call it a $1,000 tax if they refuse to let the police in. Problem solved./what, you thought the Constitution meant anything anymore?
Mangoose: On one hand, that is a blatant violation of the law and the police chief should be let go and then charged. On the other hand, fark teenagers. Those guys suck.Also, what happened to the ol' "smelled marijuana" tactic? That's all any cop had to say when I was a young whore. Well that or, "when the door opened I witnessed ________ in plain sight", with the ____ being filled in with whatever crime you found on the other side of the door.
consider this: Does everybody just go full retard whenever there's an article involving the police?
consider this: The simple solution here is for the cops to show up, tell the people to keep the noise down and then be on their way. Dickheads are being dicks and not answering the door, meaning that the only way the cops can make contact is to get a warrant and kick in the door.
consider this: Once word gets around the the dickheads that there's a substantial fine for being a dick, they'll stop being dicks and answering the door. Better yet, maybe they'll stop being dicks and not make so much noise in the first place.College dicks are dicks./dicks
Mr Guy: lennavan: The current system has higher than a 95% success rate. You say it's not good enough. Care to explain that one to me?The current numbers are for people who participated in the current system. The current numbers do not capture the people who figured out they can just ignore the cops.
violentsalvation: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Question: Under this law, what if you keep the door closed, but only answer verbally?That's usually the best way to handle cops randomly showing up at your house, anyway.
DammitIForgotMyLogin: Scenario 1: The cops knock on your door, you open it, they tell you they've had some noise complaints and don't come into the house and discover anything that you might be doing that they'd have grounds to arrest you for.
consider this: lennavan: Their current method has a 95% success rate of preventing future noise violations and a 100% success rate after the second time.Those stats do not include cases where officers can't make contact with the people in the home.
DammitIForgotMyLogin: It's not that they're refusing to let officers in, it's that they're refusing to come and answer the door.Personally, having lived next door to some annoying farktards who loved playing loud music at all hours of the night, i'd support just evicting the douchebags, rather than pansying around with a small fine.
ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Question: Under this law, what if you keep the door closed, but only answer verbally?
natas6.0: I passionatel yhate college types, so screw them
rubi_con_man: All the cops have to do is take a tape recorded along and record it outside the door. Instant Evidence!
umad: [latimesblogs.latimes.com image 500x287]I AM THE LUH
consider this: lennavan: That is correct, those stats do not reflect any of the cases where the cops have no evidence.Yes responding to a complaint and finding music blaring out of the home isn't proof of anything, especially a noise complaint.
Lunaville: natas6.0: I passionatel yhate college types, so screw themI hate them too. Literate people are so stuck-up and high and mighty with their books and iPads. Screw them.
syberpud: Selector: Is there any college kid in america under 21 who hasn't had at least one alcoholic drink?? Can't we just get rid of stupid laws already??Dude, we have politicians that believe it's their duty to save us from the evils of large soda sizes - you think lowering the alcohol drinking age is going to fly?/wish we could - it's not helping.//thanks MADD - you Neo-Prohibitionists.
GAT_00: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Aarontology: DammitIForgotMyLogin: It just strikes me as an incredibly stupid move.Think like a college student. Opening the door to the cops means they could see something illegal.Or maybe they're just hoping they'll go away and think it's too much of a hassle to get a warrant over a noise complaint.But surely making it so that they'll show up with a warrant to actually come in makes it more likely they'd see something illegal?Yeah, it doesn't matter what the warrant is for, any criminal activity is considered a valid search under our absurd laws. The warrant can really be for anything, once inside it's all fair game.Give it five years tops, and you'll see these hard on crime conservatives asking why we need warrants at all.
robbiex0r: Do you have any idea what happens in a college town when police respond to a "noise complaint"? They breathalyze everyone in that house. Then they ticket the tenants for supplying and other things, often amounting to thousands of dollars per "host". Each underage person in attendance receives a fine no less than $250, and a lot more if it's a second offense. These "noise complaints" can just be cops driving around and hearing the sound of a party.
Headso: local government trampling on rights, we should give them more power
consider this: Mangoose: On one hand, that is a blatant violation of the law and the police chief should be let go and then charged.Amazing how people believe the bullshiat lie in subby's headline instead of reading the farking article.
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