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(Slate)   Why do Liberals Hate Ayn Rand? Out of Fear   (slate.com ) divider line
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2012-08-22 11:18:37 AM  
Liberals fear strong conservative women; everybody knows that.
 
2012-08-22 11:21:07 AM  
Because Conservatives worship inert ideology while Liberals understand that situations and needs change over time.
 
2012-08-22 11:29:57 AM  
Actually because she epitomizes the selfish, fark everyone i got mine conservitard mentality.
 
2012-08-22 11:31:51 AM  
Fear? No
Mock as a self -centered amoralistic nitwit masquerading as a pseudointellectual promoting philosophy with no basis in actual reality? Yes
 
2012-08-22 11:38:09 AM  
Playing a little fast and loose with the definition of the word "fear" there, Subby.
 
2012-08-22 11:38:17 AM  
I don't fear her any more than I fear God.

Their zealous followers, on the other hand...
 
2012-08-22 11:50:24 AM  
i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-22 11:59:01 AM  
I don't think anyone hates Ayn Rand, they just hate people who think her writings are models for society.


/obvious point is obvious
 
2012-08-22 12:00:56 PM  
I'm afraid of a country governed by Ayn Rand's philosophy. Hey mom, look, I'm a liberal!
 
2012-08-22 12:02:05 PM  
Stupid people are dangerous, and should be feared.
 
2012-08-22 12:02:10 PM  
Remember when liberals used to have a canon of idealistic literature? Remember when they steadily lost power for 30 years?

So yeah, I won't weep for the loss of idealism among liberals.
 
2012-08-22 12:02:30 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: I don't fear her any more than I fear God.

Their zealous followers, on the other hand...


Prety much this. And one of them is the VP candidate for the GOP.
 
2012-08-22 12:02:39 PM  

skullkrusher: I'm afraid of a country governed by Ayn Rand's philosophy.


That might be the first coherent thing you've posted to fark. New meds?
 
2012-08-22 12:02:48 PM  
*sigh* Because what the conservatives and media dub liberals today are really right leaning centrists.
 
2012-08-22 12:03:03 PM  
ayn rand's objectivist philosophy has been used by conservatives for years to justify greed and selfishness. there is no fear, only disgust.
 
2012-08-22 12:03:04 PM  
I thought it was because she was the author of badly written polemical books supporting an ill thought out impractical philosophy that would be intensely harmful if ever put into practice.
 
2012-08-22 12:03:18 PM  

gameshowhost: [i48.tinypic.com image 276x201]


For some reason that image made me giggle hysterically

/and Ayn Rand's writing bored me to f*cking tears
//worse than L. Ron as a writer
 
2012-08-22 12:03:32 PM  

Fjornir: skullkrusher: I'm afraid of a country governed by Ayn Rand's philosophy.

That might be the first coherent thing you've posted to fark. New meds?


Oh, it wasn't. Probably just the first that you understood. *pat*
 
2012-08-22 12:03:37 PM  
It's the kind of ideology that imbeciles believe to be brilliant without comprehending the ramifications beyond their own narrow little sphere of existence.
It is the ideology of a sociopath, or a psychopath. One's own needs ahead of any/all other considerations.
 
2012-08-22 12:04:46 PM  
Who?
 
2012-08-22 12:04:53 PM  
The biggest irony is that the vast majority of people who love her philosophy proclaim a devout love of God. They do this while ignoring the fact that she was a self-proclaimed Atheist who said the idea of God was irrelevant and stupid.
 
2012-08-22 12:05:29 PM  
Fear? No.

Consider an author of legitimate policy or philosophy? Also no.

Disregard and hate are very different things, I don't hate the students that can't work out how to do a basic conservation of mass problem in a fluids class, either, I just fail them and move on with my life.
 
2012-08-22 12:06:31 PM  
FTFA: In the current election this means that liberals also run the unnecessary risk of ceding intellectual authority to the right.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2012-08-22 12:06:32 PM  
FTA: American conservatives have a canon. Why don't American liberals?


Uuuuuhhhhh....... Is this for real?
 
2012-08-22 12:07:29 PM  
Funny that they should bring up Paul Ryan's obsession with Ayn Rand as something to be looked up to about a week after he denounces her in favor of the other guy. Now he's back to worshipping her again?

Make up your mind, motherfarkers. You can't both be the etch-a-sketch.
 
2012-08-22 12:07:31 PM  
Both sides are bad - vote Sociopath.
 
2012-08-22 12:08:24 PM  
You can trust a free market corporation to be your friend. They will do no harm, unlike Government. If they do harm, another company will sumply take their place. Size doesn't matter.
 
2012-08-22 12:09:13 PM  
It's not so much that I fear her, but I've read Atlas Shrugged, and that's several weeks of my life I want back. I got about 2 pages into John Galt's 70 page rant and shouted "shut the fark up!"
 
2012-08-22 12:09:45 PM  

vartian: Because Conservatives worship inert ideology while Liberals understand that situations and needs change over time.


This, and the fact that the GOP doesn't understand the personal freedoms part of Rand......they just pick out the parts that create fascism.
 
2012-08-22 12:09:49 PM  

skullkrusher: I'm afraid of a country governed by Ayn Rand's philosophy. Hey mom, look, I'm a liberal!


This. Except my mom has known I'm a liberal for some time now. And since I'm from the redneck part of Virginia, I doubt that she's proud of it.
 
2012-08-22 12:09:55 PM  
I don't fear guns; I fear stupid people with guns.

I don't fear The Fountainhead; I fear people who base their entire political and social ideology off of it.
 
2012-08-22 12:11:44 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Remember when liberals used to have a canon of idealistic literature? Remember when they steadily lost power for 30 years?

So yeah, I won't weep for the loss of idealism among liberals.


WTF...

Bleak House, The Jungle, 1984 and A Clockwork Orange were not liberal ideals for society. They were examples of things to avoid.
 
2012-08-22 12:11:57 PM  
We know if Ayn Rand had a chance she would kill us and everyone we love.

/colbert
 
2012-08-22 12:11:59 PM  

mr bad example: skullkrusher: I'm afraid of a country governed by Ayn Rand's philosophy. Hey mom, look, I'm a liberal!

This. Except my mom has known I'm a liberal for some time now. And since I'm from the redneck part of Virginia, I doubt that she's proud of it.


my parents both think I am a hopeless, godless liberal which is pretty funny (and scary) if ya think about it
 
2012-08-22 12:12:25 PM  
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
 
2012-08-22 12:12:49 PM  

amiable: We know if Ayn Rand had a chance she would kill us and everyone we love.

/colbert


she's like a cow in that regard
 
2012-08-22 12:12:55 PM  
Why would I hate an author of fiction? I hate idiots who try to make it real.
 
2012-08-22 12:13:59 PM  

skullkrusher: mr bad example: skullkrusher: I'm afraid of a country governed by Ayn Rand's philosophy. Hey mom, look, I'm a liberal!

This. Except my mom has known I'm a liberal for some time now. And since I'm from the redneck part of Virginia, I doubt that she's proud of it.

my parents both think I am a hopeless, godless liberal which is pretty funny (and scary) if ya think about it


They got 2 outa 3 right, that's not a bad average.
 
2012-08-22 12:15:04 PM  
I read Atlas Shrugged when I was nineteen. It took me 150 pages to realize it was a complete and total farce. It took me 450 pages to realize she had just copypasta'ed the first 150 pages and changed some of the names around to simulate actual plot progression. By the time I was done with it my face and palm were sore.

The entire bulk of the philosophy was encapsulated in a specific scene near the end: Eddie Willers, Dagny Taggart's loyal Man Friday, is stranded out in the middle of the desert southwest on a dead train, after giving everything he has to the railroad and the Taggart family. The assumption is that he starves to death as civilization collapses. Meanwhile, Dagny and the other 1%ers blithely drink martinis in Galt's Gulch, unconcerned with anything but their smug superiority.

Fark Ayn Rand.
 
2012-08-22 12:15:15 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-22 12:15:21 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: FTA: American conservatives have a canon. Why don't American liberals?


Uuuuuhhhhh....... Is this for real?


Yeah, there's no one everyone on the left reads.  No one that scares reactionaries so much that they have written books titled "The Anti-soandso Reader."

www.nndb.com

/seriously - the left does have a canon - it's called "the Fricking Canon" - read critically - Starting with Plato, not Hayek
 
2012-08-22 12:15:24 PM  
I don't hate Ayn Rand...

I think she was piss a poor writer with a ridiculous, unrealistic ideology and a hypocrite.

I do enjoy mocking and ridiculing people over the age of 16, who still think her work of fiction is somehow a valid ideology to base a society on, though.
 
2012-08-22 12:17:00 PM  
Ask Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan how he became a conservative and he'll probably answer by citing a book. It might be Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. Or perhaps he'll come up with Friedrich Hayek's Road to Serfdom, or even Barry Goldwater's Conscience of a Conservative. All of these books are staples of the modern conservative canon, works with the reputed power to radicalize even the most tepid Republican.

Funny, considering that Rand, Hayek and Goldwater would have nothing to do with most modern Republicans.

Hayek called them on their BS over 50 years ago. Take this little gem...

Personally, I find that the most objectionable feature of the conservative attitude is its propensity to reject well-substantiated new knowledge because it dislikes some of the consequences which seem to follow from it - or, to put it bluntly, its obscurantism. I will not deny that scientists as much as others are given to fads and fashions and that we have much reason to be cautious in accepting the conclusions that they draw from their latest theories. But the reasons for our reluctance must themselves be rational and must be kept separate from our regret that the new theories upset our cherished beliefs. I can have little patience with those who oppose, for instance, the theory of evolution or what are called "mechanistic" explanations of the phenomena of life because of certain moral consequences which at first seem to follow from these theories, and still less with those who regard it as irrelevant or impious to ask certain questions at all. By refusing to face the facts, the conservative only weakens his own position.

Or another bit which could have been written last week...

Connected with the conservative distrust if the new and the strange is its hostility to internationalism and its proneness to a strident nationalism. Here is another source of its weakness in the struggle of ideas. It cannot alter the fact that the ideas which are changing our civilization respect no boundaries. But refusal to acquaint one's self with new ideas merely deprives one of the power of effectively countering them when necessary. The growth of ideas is an international process, and only those who fully take part in the discussion will be able to exercise a significant influence. It is no real argument to say that an idea is un-American, or un-German, nor is a mistaken or vicious ideal better for having been conceived by one of our compatriots.
 
2012-08-22 12:17:16 PM  

theorellior: I read Atlas Shrugged when I was nineteen.


I watched Atlas Shrugged Pt. 1 on Netflix.

It was farking hilarious.
 
2012-08-22 12:17:59 PM  

Lurking Fear: Actually because she epitomizes the selfish, fark everyone i got mine conservitard mentality.


They played a snippet of an interview with her on NPR the other day. Her outlook on death was something akin to it's not that I'm ending but the world is ending instead. Something like that, it was crazy and you can see how the logical extension of it was basically fark everthing but me.
 
2012-08-22 12:18:02 PM  
Pete?
 
2012-08-22 12:19:01 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Remember when liberals used to have a canon of idealistic literature? Remember when they steadily lost power for 30 years?


I think Steinbeck is the iconoclast of liberal American literature, and they did pretty well in the aftermath of his work.

I do think it hurts the left (and I include myself) that we don't have a common touchstone philosophy to rally behind. That's why I couldn't really get behind Occupy Wall Street. There wasn't any "there" there, other than some performance art, generic trolling and, later, a place for gutter punks to crash and get some free food.
 
2012-08-22 12:19:17 PM  

sprawl15: theorellior: I read Atlas Shrugged when I was nineteen.

I watched Atlas Shrugged Pt. 1 on Netflix.

It was farking hilarious.


You managed to stay awake? I applaud you.
 
2012-08-22 12:19:55 PM  
Ayn Rand is a tool... like a chainsaw.
Ayn Rand's followers are morons.
Moron + Chainsaw = Fear.

That seems normal.
 
2012-08-22 12:20:32 PM  
FTA:

American conservatives have a canon. Why don't American liberals? 

They do:

a4cgr.files.wordpress.com
 
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