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(WFTV Orlando)   'V for Vendetta'-like image spray-painted on Tampa building days before RNC   (wftv.com) divider line 179
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2012-08-22 03:59:05 PM  

Alonjar: Are all you people stupid, or just blind?

It doesnt say GG. It says 99. As in, the 99%.

farking idiots. Must be part of that group, you know, The Anarchists.

/So much derp I cant control myself


U mad?
 
2012-08-22 04:05:24 PM  

Graffito: It would help if there were a percent sign, otherwise it looks like 'gg' to me.


Sure, but if they had to spell it out for you, it wouldn't be hipster insider code, now would it?You have to use 'insider' symbols and imagery, otherwise it's not clever! duh.

It's clear in the Context. The OWS movement made use of the V for Vendetta Guy Fawkes mask as well and that mask is pretty much synonomous with anarchism long before V for Vendetta or Anonymous hackers. (which is why they use it). "We are the 99" left and right. The whole "99" has become shorthand for the movement.
 
2012-08-22 04:08:37 PM  
Actual sign:

i249.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-22 04:10:16 PM  

dittybopper: Mikey1969: dittybopper: Mikey1969: THIS. THIS is what the decline of the printed newspaper is bringing us, shiat written at a second grade level, welcome to the future.

Bullshiat. It's *ALWAYS* been like that, it's the nature of print journalism. It's just that now, we can easily and individually check out their sources and show them to be full of it.

Nah, when I was a kid, print journalism was held up as an example of quality over quantity, when compared to broadcast journalism. Print journalism used to actually have grammar and fact checking, they didn't slough off the facts and let Spellcheck handle everything else. The shiat has been seriously and noticeably going downhill just in the last 10 years. It was far from perfect before, but it wasn't the total joke it is now.

No, It only *SEEMED* like they had fact-checking. Yellow journalism is as old as journalism itself, and even the so-called gold standards, when held up to a microscope, prove to be iron pyrite. Journalists back before the Internet age were just as biased, just as sloppy, it's just that they were largely the only gatekeepers of information, and thus it was almost impossible to fact-check them in any meaningful way. It would take too long and too much effort to dig up the necessary information quickly, and really the only organizations with the resources to do something like that were the news organizations themselves, and they understandably wouldn't be too keen on making themselves look less trustworthy.


Wow, that's a broad brush you use. It doesn't seem to account for the inherent differences between a monthly, a weekly, a once-daily print, and 24x7 coverage.

As for self-policiing, I'd argue that it's better now in many ways, because in the old days, you didn't have media blogs reporting that so-and-so in San Antonio got canned for lifting grafs from a guy in Boise. It's far from perfect, as we saw with Fareed Zakaria, but overall, the system usually works.

Ever had first hand knowledge of a news story, or even a subject which you have in-depth knowledge of, and subsequently read an article about it or watched a news story, and you notice they got some fundamental fact wrong? But then you believe what they report about something you don't directly know about? Ever wonder about that phenomenon?

You publish the story you have, because you can't publish the story you want to have. Getting a minor detail wrong isn't the end of the world even if it annoys those who think they have perfect knowledge, while getting a fundamental fact wrong will bring in the lawyers; most errors of fact fall between the two.

So, on a personal note, what do you do when they get some fundamental fact wrong? Do you contact them and politely point out their error? Or do you get snotty about it? Because I guarantee you, one works better than the other does.
 
2012-08-22 04:26:20 PM  
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2012-08-22 04:27:49 PM  

dittybopper: Ever had first hand knowledge of a news story, or even a subject which you have in-depth knowledge of, and subsequently read an article about it or watched a news story, and you notice they got some fundamental fact wrong? But then you believe what they report about something you don't directly know about? Ever wonder about that phenomenon?


A few years ago, I was interviewed about a computer security class I took in college in which students had the opportunity to write actual viruses. The reporter asked what sort of work we had found after graduating, and by coincidence, I had gotten a job as a programmer with a defense contractor immediately after I got my degree. By the time the article got to print, it said that I was working as a consultant to the CIA.
 
2012-08-22 04:36:21 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Graffito: It would help if there were a percent sign, otherwise it looks like 'gg' to me.

Sure, but if they had to spell it out for you, it wouldn't be hipster insider code, now would it?You have to use 'insider' symbols and imagery, otherwise it's not clever! duh.

It's clear in the Context. The OWS movement made use of the V for Vendetta Guy Fawkes mask as well and that mask is pretty much synonomous with anarchism long before V for Vendetta or Anonymous hackers. (which is why they use it). "We are the 99" left and right. The whole "99" has become shorthand for the movement.


I'm not in on the plot then. :(
 
2012-08-22 05:31:04 PM  

ringersol: So... plenty of pictures of some graffiti but ... no pictures of the ominous pipe and bricks?
That sure seems... odd.

I mean, the ominous pipe and bricks are the only things that make this anything other than a street artist doing their thing.
You'd think they'd have been documented.


Ahh, the old Pipe & Brick Gang. Sounds like something from a '40s Dick Tracy comic strip...
 
2012-08-22 05:46:21 PM  
Sure, because black bloc people leave spray-painted symbols to mark supply caches. What do they think this is, Half-Life 2?


Jake Havechek
How do you join an anarchist group?

If "New England" translates to "Boston" go to this in November and see what's out there. Then go to some meetings and pitch in. Congratulations, you're now part of an anarchist group.

No meetings

don't we all wish

no rules

No rulers, not no rules.

who cares?

nobody :(


Mr. Eugenides
Why are we hearing about this? Why didn't the police quietly put a surveillance camera pointed at the rocks and let events unfold?

Stage one of the security theater- exposition. How can you be terrified of something that's mostly mythical if it hasn't been properly introduced?
 
2012-08-22 06:01:41 PM  

xanadian: What the fark does the "GG" stand for, anyway?


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2012-08-22 06:10:26 PM  

sp86: I'm sure they'll point to these scrawls when the Black Bloc kiddies show up to crash the party, trying to equate Black Bloc with Anonymous. Not that there's not some overlap.


Black Bloc won't even show up, the closest they got was a few locals and a few Agent provocateurs committing vandalism because they were vandals and then others making up the story that they were part of any organization.

Since Tampa doesn't have a large underclass and massively mutually antagonistic police/citizenry paradigm like Oakland even that won't happen.

You know for street art that ain't bad, skill-wise. I mean it's no Lost Da Vinci, but it has clean lines and doesn't look to have been stenciled.
 
2012-08-22 06:42:03 PM  

TheBigJerk: I mean it's no Lost Da Vinci, but it has clean lines and doesn't look to have been stenciled.


That doesn't look stenciled to you? The mask certainly does to me, as well as the 99 (the stencil breaks are why so many people thing they are "g"s), though the hat, hat and cloak seem to be done by hand.

I see better work everyday driving around Houston. Saw some amazing stuff in Dublin.
 
2012-08-22 08:02:24 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: TheBigJerk: I mean it's no Lost Da Vinci, but it has clean lines and doesn't look to have been stenciled.

That doesn't look stenciled to you? The mask certainly does to me, as well as the 99 (the stencil breaks are why so many people thing they are "g"s), though the hat, hat and cloak seem to be done by hand.

I see better work everyday driving around Houston. Saw some amazing stuff in Dublin.


Stencil-artist here...that's DEFINITELY stenciled. Here's a link to some of my stuff: Link
 
2012-08-22 08:06:49 PM  
You guys speculating about who did this are HILARIOUS BTW...first result under teh google search for Dekko and stencil* is a stencil artist by the name of Dekko from Tampa Bay. DUURRRRRRRR...

Of course he's scrubbed all of the resulting pages of his content by now...

Mighty fine police work there Lou from Tampa Bay!
 
2012-08-22 08:46:56 PM  
FYI:

Anarchists smash windows and rob stores in order to directly attack capitalism in a very real, physical, and financial sense. and to get attention (although T.V.s are nice too). Thuggish psychopaths generally are not willing to go up against riot police just for a T.V., it takes ideological dedication for that. The effectiveness of these kinds of tactics are actually a widespread topic of debate among anarchists, the "violent" ones just get more time on the news.

People wear Guy Fawkes mask because of V for Vendetta. The main character of V for Vendetta wore the mask only to scare the hell out of those in power, and because of the similarities between their plans (blow up parliament), not because he actually liked Guy Fawkes. At least, that's what I got out of the movie, I unfortunately haven't read the comic it was based upon.

Agree or disagree with the philosophies and political views, but know them first.
 
2012-08-22 08:48:46 PM  

SubBass49: You guys speculating about who did this are HILARIOUS BTW...first result under teh google search for Dekko and stencil* is a stencil artist by the name of Dekko from Tampa Bay. DUURRRRRRRR...

Of course he's scrubbed all of the resulting pages of his content by now...

Mighty fine police work there Lou from Tampa Bay!


Who the artist is is not the issue. Who paid them to do it is.
 
2012-08-22 09:01:43 PM  

Marcintosh: To the right was piled up these big bricks, like street bricks. I mean, they were heavy and there was maybe about 12 of them. So, he [officer] said 'Was this here before?' I said, 'No, no, this has got to be that group called the Anarchists Carpenters and Masons,'" said Papia.


Now I'm just imagining an Anarchist Guild.
Although to be fair, your correction is probably alot more appropriate. Considering trade union movements and anarchist movements had alot of overlap to the point that anarcho-syndicalism is it's own school of though and red/black CNT-FAI Spanish Civil War colors are the most recognized symbols of anarchy.
 
2012-08-22 09:06:58 PM  

GardenWeasel: SubBass49: You guys speculating about who did this are HILARIOUS BTW...first result under teh google search for Dekko and stencil* is a stencil artist by the name of Dekko from Tampa Bay. DUURRRRRRRR...

Of course he's scrubbed all of the resulting pages of his content by now...

Mighty fine police work there Lou from Tampa Bay!

Who the artist is is not the issue. Who paid them to do it is.


Knowing as many stencilists as I do, he likely did it for a combination of lulz, fame, and adrenaline rush. He's got all three nailed down as of now, thanks to the news thinking this was worth covering. lol
 
2012-08-22 09:18:21 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: xanadian: What the fark does the "GG" stand for, anyway?

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And here I thought it stood for "Gone Gay." I mean, this IS the RNC that's soon gonna happen....
 
2012-08-22 09:21:12 PM  
The A.I.S.B.
Anarchists smash windows and rob stores in order to directly attack capitalism in a very real, physical, and financial sense. and to get attention (although T.V.s are nice too). Thuggish psychopaths generally are not willing to go up against riot police just for a T.V., it takes ideological dedication for that. The effectiveness of these kinds of tactics are actually a widespread topic of debate among anarchists, the "violent" ones just get more time on the news.

You are the wind beneath my wings.

People wear Guy Fawkes mask because of V for Vendetta. The main character of V for Vendetta wore the mask only to scare the hell out of those in power, and because of the similarities between their plans (blow up parliament), not because he actually liked Guy Fawkes. At least, that's what I got out of the movie, I unfortunately haven't read the comic it was based upon.

You should read it, it's great.

IMO the reason for the mask was to be the original trollface, not because V agreed with Fawkes but because of the "omg why would you ever do that" effect. Just to fark with everyone; to add to the image of invincibility by not only carrying out these incredibly audacious acts but to give the impression he was doing it almost lazily.
 
2012-08-22 09:38:46 PM  

LabGrrl: Don't worry, Issac will clean it up for you.

/Hope it doesn't.
//Appreciates the irony in a hurricane being pointed at same people who claim a hurricane will get their enemies.


Either way, they'll probably claim it was God's will* as "justification"**.

*offer not valid in all 50 states
**YMMV

/used asterisks instead of slashies
//spelled asterisks correctly
///better quit while I'm ahead
 
2012-08-22 09:58:59 PM  

The A.I.S.B.: People wear Guy Fawkes mask because of V for Vendetta. The main character of V for Vendetta wore the mask only to scare the hell out of those in power, and because of the similarities between their plans (blow up parliament), not because he actually liked Guy Fawkes. At least, that's what I got out of the movie, I unfortunately haven't read the comic it was based upon.

Agree or disagree with the philosophies and political views, but know them first.


Well that and like the black bloc is not an organization, just a tactic for protection and anonymity, Anonymous, despite their real life failings and arrests are supposed to be anonymous. The Guy Fawkes mask is a way of staying well, anonymous and also picking up on a viral meme (and even then, it was a leap just for Anonymous to become activists. It was originally just a way of describing the collective attitude/atmosphere of the imageboards people posted on where they were all just labeled "anonymous". The GF mask works because the imageboards pretty much crank out or modify every internet/culture meme). And the author of V for Vendetta is an anarchist himself.
 
2012-08-22 10:04:21 PM  

RanDomino: IMO the reason for the mask was to be the original trollface, not because V agreed with Fawkes but because of the "omg why would you ever do that" effect. Just to fark with everyone; to add to the image of invincibility by not only carrying out these incredibly audacious acts but to give the impression he was doing it almost lazily.


This is another reason it translates well. Anonymous started out as more nihilist trolling than political activists. Something that has a trolling attitude like the GF mask adds to it. Plus since V was a political revolutionary, it ties in even neater with the new purpose of activism.
 
2012-08-22 11:26:28 PM  

dittybopper: cretinbob: 'No, no, this has got to be that group called the Anarchists,'" said Papia.

You know who else wants to get rid of government? 


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President of Congress
(list)


You forgot Sacco and Vanzetti
 
2012-08-23 12:47:07 AM  
Guy Fawkes' intentions were not particularly appealing to those of us who would prefer not to live in a Catholic theocracy. But the meaning of a symbol can change over time.

Exhibit A: the swastika.
 
2012-08-23 06:44:58 AM  
Looks like the brown shirts are getting started early .
 
2012-08-23 07:20:56 AM  

Maechyll: Guy Fawkes' intentions were not particularly appealing to those of us who would prefer not to live in a Catholic theocracy.


Papist smear?
 
2012-08-23 11:36:17 AM  

Maechyll: Guy Fawkes' intentions were not particularly appealing to those of us who would prefer not to live in a Catholic theocracy. But the meaning of a symbol can change over time.

Exhibit A: the swastika.


This. See also: The Che Guevara portrait.

Fascinating concept (Istanbul was once Constantinople), at this rate, in 500 years George Dubya standing on the deck of that aircraft carrier will be the symbol of literacy and higher learning.
 
2012-08-23 12:37:49 PM  

Cybernetic: xanadian: What the fark does the "GG" stand for, anyway?

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This guy?


Dead Poop Eater?
 
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