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(Des Moines Register)   Dear Madam, Gems, tuning forks and vitamins are not viable health treatments. Stop claiming it is. Sincerely, The Iowa Board of Medicine   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 145
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2012-08-22 11:28:09 AM
fc05.deviantart.net
 
2012-08-22 11:33:47 AM
Vitamens?

I thought those worked?
 
2012-08-22 11:34:01 AM
Suppressing crwative altenative medicines to keep people sick and line big pharmas pockets? Must be a day that ends in 'y'.
 
2012-08-22 11:35:19 AM
Tuning forks can be used to detect fractures in bones.
 
2012-08-22 11:35:46 AM
If "alternative medicine" worked, it would be taken up by hospitals and called "medicine."
 
2012-08-22 11:35:51 AM
Gems? Gems are truly, truly, truly outrageous. Same with Jem.
 
2012-08-22 11:36:05 AM

mcreadyblue: Vitamens?

I thought those worked?


Not excessive suggestions of fat soluble vitamins.
 
2012-08-22 11:36:55 AM

Treygreen13: Tuning forks can be used to detect fractures in bones.


Vibrating a fracture at a resonance frequency sounds more painful than an X-Ray to me.
 
2012-08-22 11:37:52 AM
Teach the Controversy!!!!
 
2012-08-22 11:38:00 AM

Ned Stark: Suppressing crwative altenative medicines to keep people sick and line big pharmas pockets? Must be a day that ends in 'y'.


But they paid big money for their knowledge so everyone else has to be stupid!
 
2012-08-22 11:38:22 AM

Mr Guy: Treygreen13: Tuning forks can be used to detect fractures in bones.

Vibrating a fracture at a resonance frequency sounds more painful than an X-Ray to me.


I've never had a fracture, let alone had one vibrated at a certain frequency. I would assume it would be painful.
/handy if you can't get to an X-Ray machine or don't want to bombard yourself with radiation
 
2012-08-22 11:39:02 AM
praying still ok?
 
2012-08-22 11:40:21 AM
"The medical industry definitely has a place in our society, but a pill doesn't always solve everything."

"and prescribe a high-dose vitamin regimen to your clients"

hmm... sounds like pills to me.
 
2012-08-22 11:41:17 AM
If only big gov't would get their noses out of health care and stop hassling poor honest business men and women like this lady. Thanks Obozo!
 
2012-08-22 11:41:24 AM
 
2012-08-22 11:42:03 AM

Ehcks: If "alternative medicine" worked, it would be taken up by hospitals and called "medicine."


Hospitals still take it up to make money off of morons. Check your local hospital, I bet they offer acupuncture.
 
2012-08-22 11:42:19 AM
I would have submitted this with the hero tag.
 
2012-08-22 11:42:20 AM

Ned Stark: Suppressing crwative altenative medicines to keep people sick and line big pharmas pockets? Must be a day that ends in 'y'.


2/10
 
2012-08-22 11:43:14 AM

Ned Stark: Suppressing crwative altenative medicines quack "doctors" and scam artists to keep people sick and line big pharmas pocketsseeking scientifically valid medical treatment? Must be a day that ends in 'y'.


FTFY. Might wanna adjust your tinfoil hat.
 
2012-08-22 11:44:15 AM

Ned Stark: Suppressing crwative altenative medicines to keep people sick and line big pharmas pockets? Must be a day that ends in 'y'.



So when it's your side doing it, it's not "science hating" or "war on science;" then it's "heroic protest against evil corporate oppressors"? Cool.
 
2012-08-22 11:44:18 AM
Do people forget that China had medicine and a thriving culture thousand of years before modern western medicine. Anyways, color therapy sounds kinda bogus but herbs and acupuncture and acupressure do work.
 
2012-08-22 11:45:23 AM

Ehcks: If "alternative medicine" worked, it would be taken up by hospitals and called "medicine."


Also consider it was around for thousands of years prior to germ theory and the resulting medicine yet the life expectancy and infant mortality rates remained abysmal.

It's almost as if one way is actually "right" and the other way is "wrong" and looking for "different" remedies doesn't work for shiat.

There IS something to be said for various forms of meditation, no matter what you want to call it "relaxing" helps the body heal. Sound therapy, color therapy, aromatherapy all "work" because you're just relaxing and meditating. A good massage or just sitting alone and quiet or with a book can get the same results.
 
2012-08-22 11:46:12 AM

Ned Stark: Suppressing crwative altenative medicines to keep people sick and line big pharmas pockets? Must be a day that ends in 'y'.


Alternative medicine has either been shown not to work, or has not been shown to work. You know what they call alternative medicine that has been shown to work? Medicine.

-Tim Minchin
 
2012-08-22 11:46:48 AM
The big issue with these things is how they are presented. If you tell people, "Don't go to a doctor. Just bang this tuning fork twice a day. The vibrations will kill the cancer cells. That'll be $250," then you are preying on stupid people. If you are offering it up as a non-science based alternative or supplemental treatment, have at it.
 
2012-08-22 11:48:37 AM

heyheyjerky: Do people forget that China had medicine and a thriving culture thousand of years before modern western medicine. Anyways, color therapy sounds kinda bogus but herbs and acupuncture and acupressure do work.


The Chinese also believe rhino horns and tiger balls will prevent impotence. That doesn't mean it works.
 
2012-08-22 11:48:39 AM
The Iowa Board of Medicine, which licenses physicians, sent a letter this month warning Erin Goatse that she is breaking state law.
 
2012-08-22 11:48:45 AM

Treygreen13: Tuning forks can be used to detect fractures in bones.


You got some literature to back that up there Sparky?
 
2012-08-22 11:49:01 AM

Ehcks: If "alternative medicine" worked, it would be taken up by hospitals and called "medicine."


Not really, Hospitals want to make money. If you were able to grow a home remedy just as good as the hospitals who would spend money on it. Or even if there was a market it would be pretty small.
 
2012-08-22 11:51:19 AM

Ned Stark: Suppressing crwative altenative medicines to keep people sick and line big pharmas pockets? Must be a day that ends in 'y'.


Wow. You actually believe this?

Well, let us all know how well crystals cure your cancer...
 
2012-08-22 11:52:04 AM

heyheyjerky: Do people forget that China had medicine and a thriving culture thousand of years before modern western medicine. Anyways, color therapy sounds kinda bogus but herbs and acupuncture and acupressure do work.


The Western world had thriving cultures and medicine as well. Read a book. Practicing ancient Chinese medicine makes as much sense as practicing ancient Roman medicine. Get scientific data to support a therapy or you're just gambling with your life.
 
2012-08-22 11:53:36 AM
SnakeOil? Scientific evidence for health supplements. (takes a few seconds to load)
Hover your mouse over each bubble to see which treatment the supplement relates.

Still Image Version:
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-08-22 11:54:10 AM

NuttierThanEver: Treygreen13: Tuning forks can be used to detect fractures in bones.

You got some literature to back that up there Sparky?


I'm really sorry to hear that Google is not functioning for you.

U.S. National Library of Medicine
 
2012-08-22 11:54:23 AM

Nhojwolfe: Ehcks: If "alternative medicine" worked, it would be taken up by hospitals and called "medicine."

Not really, Hospitals want to make money. If you were able to grow a home remedy just as good as the hospitals who would spend money on it. Or even if there was a market it would be pretty small.


Good luck getting precise dosages with home grown herbs.
 
2012-08-22 11:56:06 AM

mcreadyblue: Vitamens?

I thought those worked?


Of course they work, they work to turn your pee into expensive pee.
 
2012-08-22 11:57:38 AM
heyheyjerky....

It would be interesting to see what kind of medical treatment the ruling party members receive as opposed to the workers.
 
2012-08-22 11:57:52 AM
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-08-22 11:59:29 AM
a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7281459/78872686#c78872686" target="_blank">Treygreen13: NuttierThanEver: Treygreen13: Tuning forks can be used to detect fractures in bones.

You got some literature to back that up there Sparky?

I'm really sorry to hear that Google is not functioning for you.

U.S. National Library of Medicine


Sad to see you don't understand statistics either

Sensitivity was 0.83 (1012), specificity was 0.80 (2025), positive likelihood ratio was 4.2, negative likelihood ratio was 0.21, and diagnostic accuracy was 81% (3037).



The article claims that it is an acceptable "screening" method for fracture (which in light of the sensitivity and specificity numbers I find suspect) it does not claim that you can use them solely to diagnose a fracture.

The article also does not compare the use of a tuning fork to palpation alone and the clinicians best guess.
 
2012-08-22 12:00:37 PM

mgshamster: Hover your mouse over each bubble to see which treatment the supplement relates.

PROMISING: Cinnamon, Type II diabetes


F*ck yeah, Cinnabons prevent fatabetes! SIGN ME THE F*CK UP!!!
 
2012-08-22 12:02:06 PM
So this double-ended 10 inch long quartz crystal I put up my ass every day is doing nothing for my colon cancer and swollen prostrate?
 
2012-08-22 12:03:54 PM

Lone Stranger: So this double-ended 10 inch long quartz crystal I put up my ass every day is doing nothing for my colon cancer and swollen prostrate?


Ouch!
 
2012-08-22 12:04:11 PM

mgshamster: SnakeOil? Scientific evidence for health supplements. (takes a few seconds to load)
Hover your mouse over each bubble to see which treatment the supplement relates.

Still Image Version:
[s3.amazonaws.com image 850x1463]


Thanks for the infographic.

I know a lot of study has gone into many different vitamins, minerals, and also herbs, despite some naysayers claims that science ignores things.

The problem I see is that once science has put something in the none category, cries of "big pharma conspiracy" pop up.

Then you have "doctors" like this, that prescribe crystal therapy and other long debunked crap.

And let's not get started that in on the FDA treating homeopathy like it is real medicine because some senator in the early 1900's was also a homeopath and got his practice protected as medicine under law.

//I overdosed on a homeopathic remedy once. I took too little.
 
2012-08-22 12:04:13 PM

NuttierThanEver: a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7281459/78872686#c78872686" target="_blank">Treygreen13: NuttierThanEver: Treygreen13: Tuning forks can be used to detect fractures in bones.

You got some literature to back that up there Sparky?

I'm really sorry to hear that Google is not functioning for you.

U.S. National Library of Medicine

Sad to see you don't understand statistics either

Sensitivity was 0.83 (1012), specificity was 0.80 (2025), positive likelihood ratio was 4.2, negative likelihood ratio was 0.21, and diagnostic accuracy was 81% (3037).



The article claims that it is an acceptable "screening" method for fracture (which in light of the sensitivity and specificity numbers I find suspect) it does not claim that you can use them solely to diagnose a fracture.

The article also does not compare the use of a tuning fork to palpation alone and the clinicians best guess.


Fine. Tuning forks can be used in some cases as a preliminary method for determining if there is a fracture in some cases.

Happy?
 
2012-08-22 12:06:29 PM

heyheyjerky: Do people forget that China had medicine and a thriving culture thousand of years before modern western medicine. Anyways, color therapy sounds kinda bogus but herbs and acupuncture and acupressure do work.


And I hear ground up horse dong is just as good as viagra.
 
2012-08-22 12:09:48 PM
Vitamin E topically and Vitamin A internally cleared up my adult acne. Just sayin.
 
2012-08-22 12:10:00 PM

heyheyjerky: Do people forget that China had medicine and a thriving culture thousand of years before modern western medicine. Anyways, color therapy sounds kinda bogus but herbs and acupuncture and acupressure do work.


And the life expectancy of the average Chinese has doubled since the introduction of Western medicine.
 
2012-08-22 12:13:14 PM
"The board has serious concerns that the use of such high-dose vitamins may be toxic and could cause serious harm to your clients."
I can't help but wonder if she is 'prescribing' Vitamin A. High doses can be toxic.
 
2012-08-22 12:21:04 PM
She has had the most success with sound therapy, which is said to heal the physical, mental, emotional and etheric aspects of a person and lead to a state of harmony through the use of sound frequencies.

The most success?

She has studied outcomes?

Is this published?
 
2012-08-22 12:22:29 PM
When is somebody going to make it illegal for places that sell real medicine to sell homeopathic placebos in the same rack?

I don't care if stupid people with brains the size of walnuts want to stay miserable and sick with that bullshiat, just stop mixing it with things that actually do something. I'm tired of going to get some cold or allergy medicine and thinking "oh, is this some new...." and then finding out it's just some fake crap being sold as medicine.
 
2012-08-22 12:25:03 PM
Dumbasses. It's magnets
 
2012-08-22 12:25:21 PM
Iowa Medical Board = Licensed Killers with Drugs, Knives and Legislation
 
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