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(ESPN)   Strasburg wins his 15th Strasburg as the Washington Strasburgs extend their Strasburg Division lead to 7 Strasburgs. Favre   (scores.espn.go.com) divider line 60
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2012-08-22 08:23:51 AM
When the DC News reporters treated Strasburg like the second coming when he was called up from the minors, I figured it was just more hype that would never pan out.

Damn, they might have been right for once.
 
2012-08-22 08:59:40 AM

FirstNationalBastard: When the DC News reporters treated Strasburg like the second coming when he was called up from the minors, I figured it was just more hype that would never pan out.

Damn, they might have been right for once.


And he hasn't even been the best pitcher on the team this year.
 
2012-08-22 09:08:19 AM
it's funny because the only place i ever really hear about strasburg anymore is when fark posts its weekly strasburg mad lib headline.
 
2012-08-22 09:17:43 AM
Don't Farve with the Strasburgs, subby.
 
2012-08-22 09:23:39 AM
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2012-08-22 09:33:52 AM
I don't hear any talk about Strasburg other than his inning count. These headlines are dumb.

If it was Favre/Tebowish they would be breaking in everytime he finished another inning.
 
2012-08-22 09:37:36 AM
Why don't they just have him pitch once a week for the rest of the season.. pull him after 6 innings. He'll be right around 180 for the year and then let him pitch the playoffs.

Max, he'll end up with around 220 (assuming world series and all long series), which isn't a crazy number.
 
2012-08-22 09:39:02 AM
His stuff last night was (hate to use this word) filthy. He threw a curve to Martin Prado, one of the best hitters in the game, that had him backing away so as not to get hit and the ball curved right over the plate for a strike. The look on Prado's face as he walked away was priceless. Stras has done this to a couple of other pretty good hitters. When I was in high school in 1968 I had to play against Jackie Brown, who was the first player taken that year in the draft. He had a 94 mph and a wicked 10-8 curve ball with a Koufax like drop. He threw me a fast ball, I couldn't even see it. Next pitch a curve, I dropped like a sack of wheat, and heard the ump say "strike two" and then heard the fans (probably 500 or so, very large crowd for HS game) and the whole stand of fans was laughing and pointing at me. After a quick strike three I was fully aware that I was not going to be a big league ball player. Being a lifelong Senators and now Nats fan, I truly hope we get the chance to play the Rangers and down in Hell Bill Short will be given the chance to watch the game, his first game in 20 years or so since he died of lung cancer. At the time I heard he had cancer I made the statement "good, I hope it's long and painful." He was the scum of the Earth. And Strasburg, when he's right, is the best pitcher in baseball (R.A. Dickey has some claim here). Gio and Jordan are, however, VERY close to his ability, VERY. It's an amazing staff, deep and fast.
 
2012-08-22 09:42:04 AM

MugzyBrown: Why don't they just have him pitch once a week for the rest of the season.. pull him after 6 innings. He'll be right around 180 for the year and then let him pitch the playoffs.

Max, he'll end up with around 220 (assuming world series and all long series), which isn't a crazy number.


You can't do that. Pitching is a muscle memory even and you can't screw up the whole rotation by adding an extra day. I suspect he's on a season pitch count rather than an innings count, which is why the Nationals have made no prediction about innings, some say 160, some 180. Truth is, while Stras is great, the number of pitchers who pitch too many innings right after TJ surgery that end up with shoulder problems is very long and conspicuous. They did the right thing last year with Zimmermann and the same thing will be done was Stras and next year we'll be the best team in baseball again.
 
2012-08-22 09:43:27 AM
They did the right thing last year with Zimmermann and the same thing will be done was Stras and next year we'll be the best team in baseball again.

What possition do you play?

Ya know "Stras" could blow out his arm in spring training next year, right?
 
2012-08-22 09:51:53 AM
Well, I'm 61, so I play couch. I did, however, have a fairly successful career as a little league pitcher and HS right fielder and I coached my sons. My oldest was the catcher and clean up hitter for his HS team and had the chance to play in college but decided he didn't want to be owned by a coach. Since you're being snarky, I'll ask you where you got your medical degree since you seem to know and preach more than ALL the major experts in reconstruction surgery. I had a tendon surgery to reconnect a torn tendon. I played baseball too soon after than and re-tore the tendon (it's torn forever now). So, I have at least a little experience here. Stras would be my more likely to blow his arm out next spring if he over uses his arm this year - at least according to ALL the medical experts. Oh, and I had a wicked curve ball until I farked up my arm circa age 16.
 
2012-08-22 10:04:14 AM

MugzyBrown: Why don't they just have him pitch once a week for the rest of the season.. pull him after 6 innings. He'll be right around 180 for the year and then let him pitch the playoffs.

Max, he'll end up with around 220 (assuming world series and all long series), which isn't a crazy number.


It will be interesting to see how they handle the transition, depending on who they bring in/up to fill the spot and based on when they decide to do it, and what the standings and remaining schedule look like as the time approaches. Those are management decisions, but the dugout decisions about hooking him in games or starting him in the rotation shouldn't be affected by any of this.

As far as the big picture, it is what it is. The Rizzo has spoken. Scott Boras may have been the one moving his lips for him, but Rizzo takes all the responsibility.
 
2012-08-22 10:09:45 AM

MartinD-35: Stras would be my more likely to blow his arm out next spring if he over uses his arm this year - at least according to ALL the medical experts.


All of the medical experts can see into the future now? How will not throwing the rest of this year protect him from screwing up his shoulder next year, or his forearm, or maybe blowing out his achilles or his groin? Maybe he'll drop dead in his hotel like Darryl Kyle.

Also, all of the medical experts don't agree btw.

"It's been conservative, more conservative than what we've done in the past," said Kevin Wilk, whose group, Champion Sports Medicine, handles rehabilitation for the practice of James Andrews, one of the nation's foremost orthopedic surgeons.

"There is no book, no number, no magic, no 'you can pitch all the way until October,' " said Timothy Kremchek, the Cincinnati Reds' team doctor. He performs nearly 60 Tommy John surgeries a year on major and minor league pitchers from across the country. "Nobody knows that and many of us are afraid to take the chance with these guys."

[Texas Rangers team doctor Keith Meister] said he generally sticks to the 150- to 200-inning range in the first full season back, and anything beyond that is worrisome. "I wish I could tell you there was science behind it," he said. "But there is none."
 
2012-08-22 10:25:21 AM
List of hopeful seasons for this franchise: 1981,1994, 2012.

Strasburg will be retired by the next time they get a chance.
 
2012-08-22 10:29:08 AM
MugzyBrown is from Philly and probably a Phillies fan. Take his opinions about Washington sports teams and players with a grain of salt. Dude doesn't know what he's talking about and I trust the Nats management to do the right thing rather than run him into the ground a la the Cubs and Dusty Baker.
 
2012-08-22 10:37:15 AM

Stimied in a Rut: MugzyBrown is from Philly and probably a Phillies fan. Take his opinions about Washington sports teams and players with a grain of salt. Dude doesn't know what he's talking about and I trust the Nats management to do the right thing rather than run him into the ground a la the Cubs and Dusty Baker.


You caught me, I'm trying to trick the Nats via my Fark posts to run Strasburg into the ground.

fyi There really isn't some big rivalry between the Phils and the Nats from our perspective. Just because the Nats try to use Philly to get SOMEBODY to show up to the ball yard down there doesn't mean Philly gives a shiat about the Nats.

/Not even a big phillies fan
//Phillies rivals go a good 5, 6 teams..at least.. deep before you get to the Nats.
 
2012-08-22 10:38:22 AM

Decillion: List of hopeful seasons for this franchise: 1981,1994, 2012.

Strasburg will be retired by the next time they get a chance.


The pundits thought that next year would be the Nats break-out year, not this year. Everyone in DC before this season was talking about the Nats maybe being above .500, flirting with a wild card, possibly. Now, 7 on top of Atlanta, and 20(!) above the Mets and Phillies (lol), the sky's the limit. At the beginning of the season, when the pitching was just unstoppable, I said that if the Nats could score 5 runs a game, they'd be in good shape for a wild card. Now, the bats are killing it, the pitching (and relieving in August) is rock-solid, and they are winning games that come down to the wire. I'm excited to see how far these guys go. Keep in mind the Nats got manhandled by the Yankees, and I'm sure the same situation would occur with the Rangers, but wow, what fun it would be if the Nats played an AL team again ;)
 
2012-08-22 10:43:50 AM

MartinD-35: Oh, and I had a wicked curve ball until I farked up my arm circa age 16.


And that's why we discourage kids from throwing a curve. Learn it when you're more mature physically.
 
2012-08-22 11:22:58 AM
I loved this headline for some reason.
 
2012-08-22 11:38:37 AM
his change up that tails away from lefties (or into righties) just before the plate is perhaps the most unhittable pitch i have ever seen.
 
2012-08-22 11:42:36 AM

SlothB77: his change up that tails away from lefties (or into righties) just before the plate is perhaps the most unhittable pitch i have ever seen.


Pedro in his prime had the most unhittable stuff I've ever seen. Link

Amazing combo of power it by you + knee benders.

I love a good knee-bender. Or when the batter just walks away on a called strike 3 before the ump even rings him up.
 
2012-08-22 11:45:40 AM
if they shut down strasburg, and i think they should, the rest of the regular season will be:

Gonzalez 16-6/ 3.23/ 1.16/ 161
Zimmerman 9-7/ 2.54/ 1.12/ 116
Detwiler 7-5/ 3.25/ 1.16/ 75
Jackson 7-8/ 3.69/ 1.17/ 121
Lannan 2-0/ 3.46/ 1.23/ 7

Playoffs rotation will be:

Gonzalez
Zimmerman
Detwiler
Jackson
 
2012-08-22 11:46:34 AM

Galloping Galoshes: MartinD-35: Oh, and I had a wicked curve ball until I farked up my arm circa age 16.

And that's why we discourage kids from throwing a curve. Learn it when you're more mature physically.


50 years or so ago they didn't do that. I didn't let my son's throw curves, they never had arm problems. Son 1 was a very good pitcher but great catchers are harder to find (especially ones that can hit) so he was a catcher in HS. When he did pitch against HS hitters in Legion ball he was very successful. Had no curve yet. I still get tendonitis in my right elbow if I play with my chainsaw too much.
 
2012-08-22 11:48:36 AM

MugzyBrown: MartinD-35: Stras would be my more likely to blow his arm out next spring if he over uses his arm this year - at least according to ALL the medical experts.

All of the medical experts can see into the future now? How will not throwing the rest of this year protect him from screwing up his shoulder next year, or his forearm, or maybe blowing out his achilles or his groin? Maybe he'll drop dead in his hotel like Darryl Kyle.

Also, all of the medical experts don't agree btw.

"It's been conservative, more conservative than what we've done in the past," said Kevin Wilk, whose group, Champion Sports Medicine, handles rehabilitation for the practice of James Andrews, one of the nation's foremost orthopedic surgeons.

"There is no book, no number, no magic, no 'you can pitch all the way until October,' " said Timothy Kremchek, the Cincinnati Reds' team doctor. He performs nearly 60 Tommy John surgeries a year on major and minor league pitchers from across the country. "Nobody knows that and many of us are afraid to take the chance with these guys."

[Texas Rangers team doctor Keith Meister] said he generally sticks to the 150- to 200-inning range in the first full season back, and anything beyond that is worrisome. "I wish I could tell you there was science behind it," he said. "But there is none."


Now I know two things about you: 1. You are a troll; 2. You are an idiot (all Philly fans are idiots). Hope you enjoy your last place teams the next few years.
 
2012-08-22 11:48:57 AM
Eric Gagne with drugs had the most unhittable stuff I've seen.
 
2012-08-22 11:54:58 AM
Now I know two things about you: 1. You are a troll; 2. You are an idiot (all Philly fans are idiots). Hope you enjoy your last place teams the next few years.

I'm sure Dr. James Andrews always hires idiots to do rehab for is patients.
 
2012-08-22 12:02:35 PM

Trivia Jockey: I loved this headline for some reason.


well the good news is that you'll get to love it again next week.
 
2012-08-22 12:24:00 PM

SlothB77: his change up that tails away from lefties (or into righties) just before the plate is perhaps the most unhittable pitch i have ever seen.


MugzyBrown: Pedro in his prime had the most unhittable stuff I've ever seen


In the late 80's the Orioles had this kid, Gregg Olson who threw a huge curve; looked like it was going right at the head, then dived over the plate. Batters' knees just buckled, guys would dive out of the way, over and over.
 
2012-08-22 12:34:02 PM

SlothB77: his change up that tails away from lefties (or into righties) just before the plate is perhaps the most unhittable pitch i have ever seen.


I didn't know F.P. Santangelo was a farker.
 
2012-08-22 12:36:18 PM

MugzyBrown: Now I know two things about you: 1. You are a troll; 2. You are an idiot (all Philly fans are idiots). Hope you enjoy your last place teams the next few years.

I'm sure Dr. James Andrews always hires idiots to do rehab for is patients.


An internet doctor now, dolt.
 
2012-08-22 12:39:52 PM

Galloping Galoshes: SlothB77: his change up that tails away from lefties (or into righties) just before the plate is perhaps the most unhittable pitch i have ever seen.

MugzyBrown: Pedro in his prime had the most unhittable stuff I've ever seen

In the late 80's the Orioles had this kid, Gregg Olson who threw a huge curve; looked like it was going right at the head, then dived over the plate. Batters' knees just buckled, guys would dive out of the way, over and over.


Olson was great but eventually his arm couldn't take the strain and he had a fairly short career I recall. But he was very very good. The most unhittable pitch I ever saw was Koufax's curve ball; Pedro was pretty amazing too. And I agree with the post about Strasburg's change - it's frigging 90 MPH and tails away at the very last minute. Old guys will remember Sparky Lyle - his slider was just amazing. Also, back in my day we called the Strasburg change a screw ball. I think they stopped using the phrase screw ball out of Victorian stupidity. When you watch Strasburg's change in super slo mo (that's amazing stuff) you can clearly see him turning the ball over like a screw ball. Bring back the term screw ball!
 
2012-08-22 12:41:17 PM

lunchinlewis: SlothB77: his change up that tails away from lefties (or into righties) just before the plate is perhaps the most unhittable pitch i have ever seen.

I didn't know F.P. Santangelo was a farker.


I really have come to like F.P. He's got a pretty good grasp of the strategy of baseball and speaks in a nice melodious voice. Knight knows the game but his voice doesn't belong on radio or TV.
 
2012-08-22 12:51:01 PM

MartinD-35: An internet doctor now, dolt.


If you read the quotes I provided, one was from Kevin Wilk, whose group, Champion Sports Medicine, handles rehabilitation for the practice of James Andrews, dolt.
 
2012-08-22 12:51:34 PM

Galloping Galoshes: MartinD-35: Oh, and I had a wicked curve ball until I farked up my arm circa age 16.

And that's why we discourage kids from throwing a curve. Learn it when you're more mature physically.


Query: Why can't you teach kids to throw a change-up instead? Same arm speed as the fastball, right? Unless the grip and possible twisting motion on a young arm would have the same effect as throwing the curveball at that age.
 
2012-08-22 01:14:59 PM

MartinD-35: Galloping Galoshes: MartinD-35: Oh, and I had a wicked curve ball until I farked up my arm circa age 16.

And that's why we discourage kids from throwing a curve. Learn it when you're more mature physically.

50 years or so ago they didn't do that. I didn't let my son's throw curves, they never had arm problems. Son 1 was a very good pitcher but great catchers are harder to find (especially ones that can hit) so he was a catcher in HS. When he did pitch against HS hitters in Legion ball he was very successful. Had no curve yet. I still get tendonitis in my right elbow if I play with my chainsaw too much.


Try mure lube.
 
2012-08-22 01:21:30 PM

Rwa2play: Galloping Galoshes: MartinD-35: Oh, and I had a wicked curve ball until I farked up my arm circa age 16.

And that's why we discourage kids from throwing a curve. Learn it when you're more mature physically.

Query: Why can't you teach kids to throw a change-up instead? Same arm speed as the fastball, right? Unless the grip and possible twisting motion on a young arm would have the same effect as throwing the curveball at that age.


Learning to throw a change up properly is very hard - many major league pitchers can't do it and almost no HS pitchers have anything like a decent change. I was trying to throw screwballs when I was 14 and that probably farked up my arm more than the curves did. But I wasn't going to be a big league pitcher in any event, I never had more than about 85 and when I threw that I couldn't control it at all.
 
2012-08-22 01:22:33 PM

bacongood: MartinD-35: Galloping Galoshes: MartinD-35: Oh, and I had a wicked curve ball until I farked up my arm circa age 16.

And that's why we discourage kids from throwing a curve. Learn it when you're more mature physically.

50 years or so ago they didn't do that. I didn't let my son's throw curves, they never had arm problems. Son 1 was a very good pitcher but great catchers are harder to find (especially ones that can hit) so he was a catcher in HS. When he did pitch against HS hitters in Legion ball he was very successful. Had no curve yet. I still get tendonitis in my right elbow if I play with my chainsaw too much.

Try mure lube.


What's mure lube and how does that help tendonitis? Otherwise, I don't get the remark - is it a joke or serious or trolly or what?
 
2012-08-22 01:26:54 PM

MartinD-35: lunchinlewis: SlothB77: his change up that tails away from lefties (or into righties) just before the plate is perhaps the most unhittable pitch i have ever seen.

I didn't know F.P. Santangelo was a farker.

I really have come to like F.P. He's got a pretty good grasp of the strategy of baseball and speaks in a nice melodious voice. Knight knows the game but his voice doesn't belong on radio or TV.


My main problem is with his hyperbole, similar to the post I quoted. But it shows up all across the board in his analysis. "That was the hardest hit ball by a left handed right fielder hitting 6th that I have seen in the past 3 1/2 years". Stuff like that.

And he does know the game, but sometimes it just becomes too pitch-by-pitch with his analysis and he ends up talking more than I expect a color guy to talk. I'm digging Ray Knight this week, and it's letting Bob Carpenter get a few more words in, and he is pretty good when he gets a chance to talk.
 
2012-08-22 01:31:48 PM
Pedro's curve doesn't have as much movement as other curveballers i have seen. It is a hard, tight curve with decent movement and speed so it doesn't hang, but it doesn't have the 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock range of movement that Josh Beckett's or Chris Carpenter's curves have. And I think Strasburg has Pedro on power pitching too. Pedro had a nice refined climbing the ladder rising high fastball that a hitter simply couldn't catch up to, but Strasburg throws 101. I am sure he will refine that too. Right now his changeup is his go to out pitch. And it is probably harder to hit.
 
2012-08-22 01:54:23 PM

MugzyBrown: If you read the quotes I provided, one was from Kevin Wilk, whose group, Champion Sports Medicine, handles rehabilitation for the practice of James Andrews, dolt.


The James Andrews who was one of the many doctors who advised Mike Rizzo in developing Strasburg's rehabilitation plan?
 
2012-08-22 02:08:41 PM

MartinD-35: Also, back in my day we called the Strasburg change a screw ball. I think they stopped using the phrase screw ball out of Victorian stupidity.


Nah, there just aren't many pitchers that throw it. Fernando Valenzuela was the last screwball pitcher I recall. It's a backward breaking curve, and it's hard on the arm.
 
2012-08-22 02:09:43 PM

MartinD-35: I never had more than about 85 and when I threw that I couldn't control it at all.


That's what kills me about Strasburg. He throws his CHANGE-UP at 90!
 
2012-08-22 02:13:17 PM

Rwa2play: Galloping Galoshes: MartinD-35: Oh, and I had a wicked curve ball until I farked up my arm circa age 16.

And that's why we discourage kids from throwing a curve. Learn it when you're more mature physically.

Query: Why can't you teach kids to throw a change-up instead? Same arm speed as the fastball, right? Unless the grip and possible twisting motion on a young arm would have the same effect as throwing the curveball at that age.


It's the same motion as a fastball, with one or two fingers held off the ball. It is taught at the little league level. Second pitch you teach, very easy on the arm.
 
2012-08-22 02:14:41 PM

MartinD-35: What's mure lube and how does that help tendonitis? Otherwise, I don't get the remark - is it a joke or serious or trolly or what?


No, it's Fark. Sexual innuendo.
 
2012-08-22 02:18:35 PM

lunchinlewis: I'm digging Ray Knight this week, and it's letting Bob Carpenter get a few more words in, and he is pretty good when he gets a chance to talk.


He's not polished at all, and not comfortable on TV, but he's comfortable to listen to. Kinda like if you had a former big-leaguer in your neighborhood who would drop by to watch a game with you. He's pretty good at explaining, which is more interesting than war stories or color being whispered into his ear by some producer for him to regurgitate.
 
2012-08-22 02:32:35 PM

MugzyBrown: I don't hear any talk about Strasburg other than his inning count. These headlines are dumb.


Agreed, especially since there is another guy on his own team that has had quite a bit of publicity this season.

These Strasburg headlines are written by a complete moron.
 
2012-08-22 02:33:49 PM

srhp29: These Strasburg headlines are written by a complete moron.


Agreed. I'm shocked anyone finds that meme amusing in the least.
 
2012-08-22 02:34:43 PM

Decillion: List of hopeful seasons for this franchise: 1981,1994, 2012.

Strasburg will be retired by the next time they get a chance.


94 - the year Montreal would have broken the Braves division streak at 2 years...That strike put a stop to that.
 
2012-08-22 02:53:36 PM

Decillion: List of hopeful seasons for this franchise: 1981,1994, 2012.

Strasburg will be retired by the next time they get a chance.


Different city, different ownership, different management, different philosophy, different roster. Yeah, comparing "this franchise" to Montreal makes sense.
 
2012-08-22 03:07:08 PM

srhp29: Decillion: List of hopeful seasons for this franchise: 1981,1994, 2012.

Strasburg will be retired by the next time they get a chance.

94 - the year Montreal would have broken the Braves division streak at 23 years...That strike put a stop to that.


FTFM
 
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