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(Gizmodo)   So Samsung replicates Apple products. Who cares and why should this be illegal? Harvard author claims the world would be better if more companies just copied, like Samsung   (gizmodo.com) divider line 233
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2012-08-22 01:19:29 PM  

zvoidx: [i.imgur.com image 532x349]


Even funnier to me is it looks more like a Palm Pre.
 
2012-08-22 01:20:49 PM  

BeesNuts: farkingatwork: BeesNuts: zarberg: I'd rather fix the absolutely broken patent system instead. There are companies that are putting more money into lawyers to argue near-irrelevant minutia than they put into R&D

Yep. Patents should exist to protect your ideas. Not your market share.

Uh, no. Ideas are not patentable. See: Bilski. Nor do they actually show ideas, since a software patent describes how something works but doesn't show the source code. Thus, there's no benefit under the current system.

Not all patent law is created equal. Apple's is a design patent, which has been discussed above. If you came up with a process that fundamentally changed some material, say... silica... and gave it properties that are beneficial to certain applications, you are directly skirting the (very specific, by the way) nature of the Bilski ruling. .


This is wrong. Their patent is a DESIGN patent. Design patents cannot be functional. If your new ipad4™ uses silica instead of aluminum that is a functional issue and not patentworthy as a DESIGN. Why do you think apple keeps trying to say that rounded corners are simply a design aesthetic as opposed to "it prevents devices from breaking when dropped on their corners"?

That's not bilski, that's just the nature of "patents that matter and patents that don't". A design patent cannot have anything to do with function.
 
2012-08-22 01:21:36 PM  

Babwa Wawa: In most cases, the engineers don't think them worth patenting, but the company wants them patented - if we get sued for infringement, we can search our war chest to look for some of our IP that our competitor infringed. It has zip point sh*t to do with innovation.


The typical engineer's filter for what's worth patenting is usually set way too narrow. It's a result of how we're educated - in school, you get homework with dozens of problems to solve every night, so you tend to think of those little problems as routine and only big, thesis-level stuff as "patentable". But as I said above, it's those little problems that are constantly duplicated by engineers everywhere and therefore, those little problems that really eat up tremendous amounts of manhours.

Perhaps a solution is to graduate the cost of patent applications in accordance with the number of patents held by the applicant organization. I should patent that idea.

Not a bad idea, but the easy answer is that companies would either spin off subsidiaries to get the patent, each of which don't actually hold them, or they'd keep the patent in the name of the inventor until it's granted.
 
2012-08-22 01:22:07 PM  

Theaetetus: It's a good thing, too. Design patents are narrow and only last 14 years.


We've been through this and you've never missed the opportunity to dance around it. The iPad design patent is not narrow at all. It is broad by design.

And this is where you appeal to authority rather than defend your position...
 
2012-08-22 01:23:16 PM  

farkingatwork: Why do you think apple keeps trying to say that rounded corners are simply a design aesthetic as opposed to "it prevents devices from breaking when dropped on their corners"?


And don't forget "it prevents people from accidentally stabbing themselves with a corner."
But contrary to Fark and Slashdot wisdom, Apple's not claiming they have a patent on "rounded corners". It's FUD, nothing more.
 
2012-08-22 01:24:23 PM  

JackieRabbit: It didn't steal anything.


Yeah, I know. I said that.

Point is: they still stood on a lot of shoulders for those "innovations".

If you're going to get your panties in a knot over what defines "stealing ideas" in a legal sense, go right ahead. I'm not a lawyer and I'm not qualified to debate that.

If what all this indignity is over regards "creative purity", then, well, Apple doesn't have many good legs to stand on here. That's the point.
 
2012-08-22 01:25:15 PM  

Theaetetus: e

They show flow charts, and frequently include pseudocode. You shouldn't need the actual source.

If you can't implement the "invention" via the patent, the patent is invalid. This isn't difficult. Pseudocode will not do that.
 
2012-08-22 01:25:52 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Theaetetus: It's a good thing, too. Design patents are narrow and only last 14 years.

We've been through this and you've never missed the opportunity to dance around it. The iPad design patent is not narrow at all. It is broad by design.

And this is where you appeal to authority rather than defend your position...


Nope, nor have I ever appealed to authority on this*. I'll happily defend my position. Would you like to start with some sort of rebuttal for my contention, or would you like me to start?

*unless you're saying that quoting patent law and court decisions on patents is an "appeal to authority"... in which case, you're essentially demanding that I defend the law while not discussing the law, which is just insane. Is that what you're doing? Are you actually wanting me to defend the contention that design patents are narrow without actually quoting any sort of patent law? Please answer so that I know how seriously to take you.
 
2012-08-22 01:26:33 PM  

tgambitg: cman: For example, I have a Mac (going back to Hackintoshes soon enough). When I add a new contact using the Contact application, it automatically gets sent to my iPhone and my iPad. Same goes for notes. iTunes purchases are defaulted to not download automatically, but you can set it to when if you buy content on iTunes it will also download it on your other devices. I can make a bookmark in Safari and it also shows up on my iPhone and iPad (ok, many other browsers now do this, but Apple was the best one). Set an alarm on your computer? Yep, iCloud takes care of that, too. iCloud is pretty damn awesome.

Adding a contact through Google -> wirelessly syncs to any Android device signed in with that Google account.
Purchase an app through Google Play Store -> it automatically gets downloaded any and all devices you specify attached to that Google account.
Bookmarking with different browsers will automatically sync if the browsers are capable of it (Firefox and Firefox Mobile will do this)
Set an alarm in Google Calendar -> Automatically synced to any device signed in with that Google Account.

All these features were there before iCloud.


You think pulling out an Android is gonna get you laid?
 
2012-08-22 01:28:18 PM  
Apple products are for people that don't really know what they're doing, but still want to participate in the modern technological world.
 
2012-08-22 01:28:33 PM  
More importantly we should be asking this. Is anyone else terrified that 12 retards off the street will be delivering a verdict about patent law, intellectual property, and technology prior art that will likely change the industry?

I am.
 
2012-08-22 01:28:57 PM  

farkingatwork: Theaetetus: e
They show flow charts, and frequently include pseudocode. You shouldn't need the actual source.

If you can't implement the "invention" via the patent, the patent is invalid. This isn't difficult. Pseudocode will not do that.


No, it's not difficult. One of skill in the art reading the pseudocode could easily implement that code in any language they care to. It's not a requirement that you have to be able to copy-paste out of the patent. Otherwise, how could you ever patent a machine? It's not like you can actually use a drawing of a gear to drive your car.
 
2012-08-22 01:30:16 PM  

AngryDragon: More importantly we should be asking this. Is anyone else terrified that 12 retards off the street will be delivering a verdict about patent law, intellectual property, and technology prior art that will likely change the industry?

I am.


9 technically.
 
2012-08-22 01:31:33 PM  

Theaetetus: farkingatwork: Theaetetus: e
They show flow charts, and frequently include pseudocode. You shouldn't need the actual source.

If you can't implement the "invention" via the patent, the patent is invalid. This isn't difficult. Pseudocode will not do that.

No, it's not difficult. One of skill in the art reading the pseudocode could easily implement that code in any language they care to. It's not a requirement that you have to be able to copy-paste out of the patent. Otherwise, how could you ever patent a machine? It's not like you can actually use a drawing of a gear to drive your car.


No. That is not implementing the invention. That is coding an obvious feature, which invalidates the patent. Hello obviousness? It is like you can use a drawing of a gear to design that gear. That's the point.

Also, apple is trying to claim the design patent as design and not functional - otherwise it would not be a design patent. That is what they're trying to claim and assert, as affirmed by groklaw in various instances such as http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20120814110227662 .
 
2012-08-22 01:33:24 PM  

cman: tgambitg: cman: For example, I have a Mac (going back to Hackintoshes soon enough). When I add a new contact using the Contact application, it automatically gets sent to my iPhone and my iPad. Same goes for notes. iTunes purchases are defaulted to not download automatically, but you can set it to when if you buy content on iTunes it will also download it on your other devices. I can make a bookmark in Safari and it also shows up on my iPhone and iPad (ok, many other browsers now do this, but Apple was the best one). Set an alarm on your computer? Yep, iCloud takes care of that, too. iCloud is pretty damn awesome.

Adding a contact through Google -> wirelessly syncs to any Android device signed in with that Google account.
Purchase an app through Google Play Store -> it automatically gets downloaded any and all devices you specify attached to that Google account.
Bookmarking with different browsers will automatically sync if the browsers are capable of it (Firefox and Firefox Mobile will do this)
Set an alarm in Google Calendar -> Automatically synced to any device signed in with that Google Account.

All these features were there before iCloud.

You think pulling out an Android is gonna get you laid?


No, not any more than pulling out an iPhone would.
 
2012-08-22 01:36:05 PM  
He's not the first to come out against intellectual monopoly.
/copy it all you want.
 
2012-08-22 01:38:00 PM  

Theaetetus: AngryDragon: More importantly we should be asking this. Is anyone else terrified that 12 retards off the street will be delivering a verdict about patent law, intellectual property, and technology prior art that will likely change the industry?

I am.

9 technically.


Plus alternates
 
2012-08-22 01:45:08 PM  
Oh I see this is the thread where you can't say that your Apple products do something, because something else does something similar or the same. Thanks, that's relevant.
 
2012-08-22 01:46:33 PM  

tgambitg: cman: tgambitg: cman: For example, I have a Mac (going back to Hackintoshes soon enough). When I add a new contact using the Contact application, it automatically gets sent to my iPhone and my iPad. Same goes for notes. iTunes purchases are defaulted to not download automatically, but you can set it to when if you buy content on iTunes it will also download it on your other devices. I can make a bookmark in Safari and it also shows up on my iPhone and iPad (ok, many other browsers now do this, but Apple was the best one). Set an alarm on your computer? Yep, iCloud takes care of that, too. iCloud is pretty damn awesome.

Adding a contact through Google -> wirelessly syncs to any Android device signed in with that Google account.
Purchase an app through Google Play Store -> it automatically gets downloaded any and all devices you specify attached to that Google account.
Bookmarking with different browsers will automatically sync if the browsers are capable of it (Firefox and Firefox Mobile will do this)
Set an alarm in Google Calendar -> Automatically synced to any device signed in with that Google Account.

All these features were there before iCloud.

You think pulling out an Android is gonna get you laid?

No, not any more than pulling out an iPhone would.


You win
 
2012-08-22 01:55:58 PM  

cman: Kevin72: As of today, 13 out of 13 people have recommended for me to get a Samsung Galaxy instead of iphone i5 to replace the Palm Pre I've been using.

Make it 1 out of 14

Apple has a TREMENDOUS advantage when it comes to their platform. Everything works with each other in such ways that no one else can come close to. The walled in approach, although a bit draconian at times, can help keep things working rightly and smoothly.

For example, I have a Mac (going back to Hackintoshes soon enough). When I add a new contact using the Contact application, it automatically gets sent to my iPhone and my iPad. Same goes for notes. iTunes purchases are defaulted to not download automatically, but you can set it to when if you buy content on iTunes it will also download it on your other devices. I can make a bookmark in Safari and it also shows up on my iPhone and iPad (ok, many other browsers now do this, but Apple was the best one). Set an alarm on your computer? Yep, iCloud takes care of that, too. iCloud is pretty damn awesome.


One area where Apple has all the others beat (and beat BAD) is music. I really thought that by now Google would have a good music app, including a syncing tool (which iTunes does on Mac/PC). While the Android OS has come a LONG way, there is still no good way to manage a music collection on those devices, especially a large one.

I constantly update my music library on my PC in iTunes. I add new songs, replace others, update album art, fix errors in the tags, etc. When I am done, I sync my iPhone, iPad, and iPods by plugging them in and then pressing one button. I don't need to know what I changed. iTunes just copies over all the changes for me. I don't need to keep track of anything. I just press one button.

Google's solution to music management is a joke. I am supposed to upload 30+ GB's of music files to their servers using a shiatty tool? And what if I change something in my library? Also, why does Google keep adding stupid free shiat to my music account that I don't want? I don't want to see music that I didn't put there!

Seriously, why is it that Apple is the only company that could figure this out? And they did it YEARS ago!

I've never even owned a Mac. People can call me a sheep or whatever. I am sticking with Apple devices because they WORK, and they offer me a GREAT way to manage my music library.
 
2012-08-22 01:58:39 PM  
The sooner we realize that everything is a remix, the better off we'll be.
 
2012-08-22 02:00:00 PM  

RRedline: I've never even owned a Mac. People can call me a sheep or whatever. I am sticking with Apple devices because they WORK, and they offer me a GREAT way to manage my music library.


You're the exact kind of consumer Apple products are designed for. You just wanna do your stuff and not give a crap what happens behind the scenes. For those of us that do care what happens behind the scenes, Apple isn't the product for us. I don't like the whole Apple vs PC mentality. Different tools for different people. Room for both.
 
2012-08-22 02:03:28 PM  
So where did the researcher plagiarize his report from?
 
2012-08-22 02:06:44 PM  

RRedline: cman: Kevin72: As of today, 13 out of 13 people have recommended for me to get a Samsung Galaxy instead of iphone i5 to replace the Palm Pre I've been using.

Make it 1 out of 14

Apple has a TREMENDOUS advantage when it comes to their platform. Everything works with each other in such ways that no one else can come close to. The walled in approach, although a bit draconian at times, can help keep things working rightly and smoothly.

For example, I have a Mac (going back to Hackintoshes soon enough). When I add a new contact using the Contact application, it automatically gets sent to my iPhone and my iPad. Same goes for notes. iTunes purchases are defaulted to not download automatically, but you can set it to when if you buy content on iTunes it will also download it on your other devices. I can make a bookmark in Safari and it also shows up on my iPhone and iPad (ok, many other browsers now do this, but Apple was the best one). Set an alarm on your computer? Yep, iCloud takes care of that, too. iCloud is pretty damn awesome.

One area where Apple has all the others beat (and beat BAD) is music. I really thought that by now Google would have a good music app, including a syncing tool (which iTunes does on Mac/PC). While the Android OS has come a LONG way, there is still no good way to manage a music collection on those devices, especially a large one.

I constantly update my music library on my PC in iTunes. I add new songs, replace others, update album art, fix errors in the tags, etc. When I am done, I sync my iPhone, iPad, and iPods by plugging them in and then pressing one button. I don't need to know what I changed. iTunes just copies over all the changes for me. I don't need to keep track of anything. I just press one button.

Google's solution to music management is a joke. I am supposed to upload 30+ GB's of music files to their servers using a shiatty tool? And what if I change something in my library? Also, why does Google keep adding stupid free shiat ...


When you sync your iTunes to Google Music, any changes are noted and the change is applied to your Google Music. Also you don't need to actively upload anything, the program does that all for you. The nice thing about the app is I never have to plug a phone/tablet into a computer, I never have to choose what songs I need, I just open the app and start streaming. If I want something saved locally, I click "Keep on Device" and it wirelessly downloads.

I think people try to make this all much harder than it really is.
 
2012-08-22 02:09:19 PM  
It's still illegal for a poor, starving person to steal a loaf of bread. The law is blind.

Don't think it's a big deal for Samsung to copy apple's IP? OK, then fine them a buck...but you can't say they didn't infringe.
 
2012-08-22 02:12:01 PM  

IamAwake: They may have had similar bezels before...so what? Is that really supposed to matter?


It would seem so, given the brazillion dollars that's been spent on this trial over trivial shiat like that.

I'm still wondering just how many farking shapes beyond a rectangle one is supposed to choose from to make a tablet.
 
2012-08-22 02:21:14 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: It's still illegal for a poor, starving person to steal a loaf of bread. The law is blind.

Don't think it's a big deal for Samsung to copy apple's IP? OK, then fine them a buck...but you can't say they didn't infringe.


Back when I gave it a shot, I had nothing but problems with it. It wouldn't pick up changes that I made, at least not automatically. It wasn't deleting songs from the cloud when I deleted them on my PC, and it wasn't updating changes I made on my PC. Maybe they added all these "features" recently?

And I was constantly going online to delete songs that I DID NOT PUT THERE. How would you like it if I put my music in your library? Hahaha, I hope you like Kenny G and Color Me Badd, because that's what just started playing on your stereo at your party. Explain that to your friends.

Let's also not overlook the obvious. Google's tool is used to sync your iTunes library to their cloud. Your ITUNES library. ITUNES. APPLE. Google is HUGE. Why do they still not have their own music management tool that does what iTunes does? They are leveraging Apple's library management tool because that's what most people use!
 
2012-08-22 02:22:47 PM  
I love my galaxy s3, custom roms, custom kernels. The google market has some serious issues that need to be worked out but it's working great for me. I just like the fact that I have complete control over this phone, avast! mobile is so awesome. I can block network access to apps with a firewall, I can track my lost phone from the web, all kinds of neat stuff.

I'd totally recommend this phone over an iphone5. Apple and their patent trolls can go eat a bag of dicks.
 
2012-08-22 02:22:51 PM  

RRedline: Let's also not overlook the obvious. Google's tool is used to sync your iTunes library to their cloud. Your ITUNES library. ITUNES. APPLE. Google is HUGE. Why do they still not have their own music management tool that does what iTunes does? They are leveraging Apple's library management tool because that's what most people use!


It's not your iTunes library. It's Apple's.
 
2012-08-22 02:28:25 PM  

stonicus: You're the exact kind of consumer Apple products are designed for. You just wanna do your stuff and not give a crap what happens behind the scenes. For those of us that do care what happens behind the scenes, Apple isn't the product for us. I don't like the whole Apple vs PC mentality. Different tools for different people. Room for both.


First of all, I am not a tech novice. I am a computer programmer (C# mostly). I know what I am doing, and a large, well-cared-for music library is a beautiful thing.

Would you seriously prefer to manually copy music "files" onto a device, rather than press one button and have it all done automatically? I spend hours every day trouble-shooting complex problems at work. When it comes to music on my devices, I want simplicity, and Apple gives me that.

What on Earth is going on behind the scenes that you need to know? I just want my library sent over to my devices, exactly as is. I don't want to keep track of what I changed and when, and I don't want music that I didn't add to my library to suddenly appear there. Thanks for offering me free music, but please at least save it somewhere off to the side. I don't want it to just show up in my library.
 
2012-08-22 02:32:18 PM  

RRedline: Would you seriously prefer to manually copy music "files" onto a device, rather than press one button and have it all done automatically?


I can get that without Apple Products, or iTunes.

In fact, I can probably get that and quite a bit more of the things I want, honestly.
 
2012-08-22 02:32:52 PM  

SkunkWerks: It's not your iTunes library. It's Apple's.


No it isn't. It is MY music. I don't have a single song that was downloaded from Apple/iTunes. I just use iTunes (the software, not the service) to manage my library.

I know there are some really annoying Apple fans out there, but the anti-Apple bandwagon is far more ridiculous than they ever were.
 
2012-08-22 02:35:16 PM  
But the LAWYERS, sheeples! Won't anyone think of the lawyers? Or their rape babies?
/First cousin's a lawyer-retiring to Barbados already
//Younger than I am (Grumble, grumble)
 
2012-08-22 02:36:36 PM  

RRedline: No it isn't. It is MY music.


ohwaityoureserious.jpg

RRedline: the anti-Apple bandwagon is far more ridiculous than they ever were.


There's an anti-apple bandwagon? No offense, but this sounds like something an apple bandwagon person would make up.
 
2012-08-22 02:51:51 PM  

Rurouni: Didn't Samsung prove in court last week that Apple essentially stole most of their patients from other companies like Mitsubishi?


Well, if Mitsubishi had kept their patients properly medicated, they wouldn't have been so easy to steal.
 
2012-08-22 02:56:57 PM  

SkunkWerks: RRedline: No it isn't. It is MY music.

ohwaityoureserious.jpg

RRedline: the anti-Apple bandwagon is far more ridiculous than they ever were.

There's an anti-apple bandwagon? No offense, but this sounds like something an apple bandwagon person would make up.

Anti

-Apple bandwagon? Lol.

Thats like saying astronomers are part of the Anti-Flat-Earther-Bandwagon.

You have to hand it to apple though. Even though their products are overpriced and less capable than many other better competing products in the same categories, they still make a TON of money from the people they've convinced otherwise through their marketing genius. Thats really where they dominate - marketing. I wonder if they'll keep it up with Jobs gone.

The Irony of that 1984 commercial, with the lone runner throwing a hammer into the big screen drips with Irony these days - and most anti-anti-apple-bandwagoner-hater-haters cant see it.
 
2012-08-22 02:57:43 PM  

cman: One of the staples of a capitalist system is protection of patent rights. If you allow anyone anywhere to copy anything then why would companies put any money into research and development?

Advances would halt as there is no more incentive to research new things.


I can tell you didn't bother reading the article...

(Assuming you're a rabid Apple fanboi) So Apple stopped innovating when Microsoft copied them, right?
(Assuming you're a rational person) So IBM and Xerox stopped innovating when Apple copied them, right?
 
2012-08-22 03:11:48 PM  
cman: Apple has a TREMENDOUS advantage when it comes to their platform.

For example, I have a Mac (going back to Hackintoshes soon enough).

Got to love when idiots contradict themselves in their own post.
 
2012-08-22 03:12:40 PM  

SkunkWerks: RRedline: No it isn't. It is MY music.

ohwaityoureserious.jpg

RRedline: the anti-Apple bandwagon is far more ridiculous than they ever were.

There's an anti-apple bandwagon? No offense, but this sounds like something an apple bandwagon person would make up.


Anyone who has spent more than 20 minutes in the mobile industry knows they're an anti-apple bandwagon. Open your eyes.
 
2012-08-22 03:13:02 PM  

Trashy: [img9.joyreactor.com image 702x433]


Apple even copied the background.
 
2012-08-22 03:14:57 PM  

tortilla burger: you'd need Apple's buying power and supply chain to get the cost low enough to sell at the price they do (assuming you're making the same product with same specs).


Utterly false. Apple sells at 54% margin.
 
2012-08-22 03:16:42 PM  

RRedline: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: It's still illegal for a poor, starving person to steal a loaf of bread. The law is blind.

Don't think it's a big deal for Samsung to copy apple's IP? OK, then fine them a buck...but you can't say they didn't infringe.

Back when I gave it a shot, I had nothing but problems with it. It wouldn't pick up changes that I made, at least not automatically. It wasn't deleting songs from the cloud when I deleted them on my PC, and it wasn't updating changes I made on my PC. Maybe they added all these "features" recently?

And I was constantly going online to delete songs that I DID NOT PUT THERE. How would you like it if I put my music in your library? Hahaha, I hope you like Kenny G and Color Me Badd, because that's what just started playing on your stereo at your party. Explain that to your friends.

Let's also not overlook the obvious. Google's tool is used to sync your iTunes library to their cloud. Your ITUNES library. ITUNES. APPLE. Google is HUGE. Why do they still not have their own music management tool that does what iTunes does? They are leveraging Apple's library management tool because that's what most people use!


Cant even quote the right post. You are definitely Apple's kind of customer.
 
2012-08-22 03:16:52 PM  

RRedline: Let's also not overlook the obvious. Google's tool is used to sync your iTunes library to their cloud. Your ITUNES library. ITUNES. APPLE. Google is HUGE. Why do they still not have their own music management tool that does what iTunes does? They are leveraging Apple's library management tool because that's what most people use!


Ummm... no. It's not. It's used to sync your music files to the cloud.

Believe it or not, some of us have music files in various formats that we use programs other than iTunes to listen to.
 
2012-08-22 03:19:49 PM  

HeartBurnKid: RRedline: Let's also not overlook the obvious. Google's tool is used to sync your iTunes library to their cloud. Your ITUNES library. ITUNES. APPLE. Google is HUGE. Why do they still not have their own music management tool that does what iTunes does? They are leveraging Apple's library management tool because that's what most people use!

Ummm... no. It's not. It's used to sync your music files to the cloud.

Believe it or not, some of us have music files in various formats that we use programs other than iTunes to listen to.


They don't believe it... They have no clue...
 
2012-08-22 03:20:40 PM  

ISO15693: Even though their products are overpriced and less capable than many other better competing products in the same categories


Eh, I wouldn't go that far, that may very well be the "anti-Apple bandwagon" if such a thing does exist. Apple does indeed make some good products, or even some mediocre products that have their various merits over similar products. I've got one of the older iPod shuffles, and I have to say, the simplicity of its design (I mean how it functions, not how it looks) is really impressive to me. I don't embrace apple products simply because they are Apple products. I won't dismiss them on the same basis.

But in the end, they're just products. If I find something that can do better, or has more of the features I want, I'm going to buy that product. Clinging to company loyalty for the sake of itself is just not something I do- with any company.

Apple-fetishists don't bother me because they picked Apple to idolize. Apple fetishists bother me because they idolize their favorite company to the exclusion of other companies/products which may be as good, if not in some cases, better. My brother's brainwashed this way. It's pretty sad, because I've looked up to him as being smarter than this most of my life. This is a subject I just never bother touching with him, you can't talk to him, you can't reason with him on it. Rather like my Catholic Mother on the subject of why I left the church years ago.

If believing that Steve Jobs is not God, nor Apple Computer the fountainhead of all creation is being on the "Anti-Apple Bandwagon" then I guess I'm just going to have to ride that wagon.
 
2012-08-22 03:21:45 PM  

stonicus: Apple products are for people that don't really know what they're doing, but still want to participate in the modern technological world.


so basically Apple corners 90% of the market? sucks for samsung then
 
2012-08-22 03:22:19 PM  

SkunkWerks: If believing that Steve Jobs is not God, nor Apple Computer the fountainhead of all creation is being on the "Anti-Apple Bandwagon" then I guess I'm just going to have to ride that wagon.


What a lovely straw man.
 
2012-08-22 03:23:17 PM  

LasersHurt: Anyone who has spent more than 20 minutes in the mobile industry knows they're an anti-apple bandwagon. Open your eyes.


Okay, I've opened them. I still have a distinct lack of long spokes, iron shod wheels, or canvas canopies.

Actually, one of my earliest experiences with computers involved the Apple IIe. Oregon Trail... man oh man is that some nostalgia.

That said, Steve Jobs can still die of dysentery.
 
2012-08-22 03:23:52 PM  

LasersHurt: SkunkWerks: If believing that Steve Jobs is not God, nor Apple Computer the fountainhead of all creation is being on the "Anti-Apple Bandwagon" then I guess I'm just going to have to ride that wagon.

What a lovely straw man.


What a lovely missin'-the-point?
 
2012-08-22 03:25:55 PM  
If it were Apple copying from Samsung, this guy would be crying blasphemie.
 
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