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(ESPN)   Jacksonville's offense wants to be traded   (espn.go.com) divider line 86
    More: Florida, Maurice Jones-Drew, Jacksonville, Mike Mularkey, DeAngelo Williams, LeSean McCoy, Marshawn Lynch, Arian Foster, receiving yards  
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2012-08-22 10:00:27 AM  
Maybe Maurice can use the extra money to get another last name.

I suggest Dreyfus.
 
2012-08-22 10:02:17 AM  
Honest question... Why isn't Jacksonville up for sale? It seems like Khan (I think that's the owner's name) could give a shiat about his team.
 
2012-08-22 10:04:09 AM  

digistil: Honest question... Why isn't Jacksonville up for sale? It seems like Khan (I think that's the owner's name) could give a shiat about his team.


Didn't he just buy the team, like, last year?
 
2012-08-22 10:07:21 AM  
Well im 50/50, MJD is greedy for wanting the contract he signed for a good amount of money redone, but he has literally carried their team over the years... pay, trade or have him sit but coming out publicly and telling the media its no big deal is going full retarded...
 
2012-08-22 10:08:38 AM  
I wonder how concerned he is about his ADP as a result of this holdout. I know he's a HUGE fantasy nerd.
 
2012-08-22 10:10:03 AM  

Arkanaut: digistil: Honest question... Why isn't Jacksonville up for sale? It seems like Khan (I think that's the owner's name) could give a shiat about his team.

Didn't he just buy the team, like, last year?


Yup. He bought the team mid-season last year. And his mustache is glorious.
 
2012-08-22 10:10:55 AM  
I'm torn on these holdouts. On the one hand, you signed the damned contract, play it out. On the other hand, the owners can drop players at any point and NOT honor the contract, so if you're a player get as much out of them while you're hot. Meh.
 
2012-08-22 10:12:48 AM  
Usually I feel no sympathy for athletes who front-load contracts and then whine about restructuring or demand a new deal, but I make an exception for running backs on permanently crappy teams. Jones-Drew's had three years of about three hundred carries with 1000+ yards. The odds say he's nearing the end of his prime. Nobody goes to Jaguars games, and if he holds out, NOBODY will go to the games. He's the only offense on the team, and he's about to go through another year with Yo Gabba Gabbert, who will be out of the league in two or three years. Their leading receiver last year was a TE who caught for 460 yards for the season. RELEASE MAURICE!
 
2012-08-22 10:13:25 AM  

protectyourlimbs: Well im 50/50, MJD is greedy for wanting the contract he signed for a good amount of money redone, but he has literally carried their team over the years...


Is the contract gauranteed? I doubt it. NFL players aren't being greedy unless they contracts are gauranteed. They're playing by the same rules as the owners when the hold out.
 
2012-08-22 10:15:44 AM  
Maybe he should change his name to Maurice Jones-Jew
 
2012-08-22 10:17:34 AM  
Trade him to the Steelers.
 
2012-08-22 10:25:21 AM  
The most replaceable piece on an NFL team is the RB, most of the time. There are exceptions, but not many. You're not going to find an AP every year, but other than the really, really elite guys, a halfback's a halfback.

MJD's good, but there are dudes all over the league who can go for 1,000. If he won't play, trade him to Cleveland.
 
2012-08-22 10:33:12 AM  

Arkanaut: digistil: Honest question... Why isn't Jacksonville up for sale? It seems like Khan (I think that's the owner's name) could give a shiat about his team.

Didn't he just buy the team, like, last year?


Doh, you're right. I must be thinking of the last owner.

/looooong day
 
2012-08-22 10:43:07 AM  
He's my starter in my keeper league. I don't care WHO he's playing for week 1 as long as higs happy ass is PLAYING.
 
2012-08-22 10:43:17 AM  

MugzyBrown: protectyourlimbs: Well im 50/50, MJD is greedy for wanting the contract he signed for a good amount of money redone, but he has literally carried their team over the years...

Is the contract gauranteed? I doubt it. NFL players aren't being greedy unless they contracts are gauranteed. They're playing by the same rules as the owners when the hold out.



Some of it was, did they stop paying him or did he decide later he wanted more money? I said I was 50/50 but if the team cut him as soon as a big pay year came up I would say they were greedy also, one doesn't excuse the other...
 
2012-08-22 10:44:41 AM  
Jags owner watches tape of Chris Johnson from last season, tells MJD to go f*ck himself.
 
2012-08-22 10:48:03 AM  

protectyourlimbs: one doesn't excuse the other...


It really does, though. It has nothing to do with greed, it's the stupid system they have put in place.

Both sides sign the deal knowing the big money at the end will never be paid, they player will be cut or they will renegotiate at some point.
 
2012-08-22 10:56:38 AM  
You must have been asleep this pre-season subby. The Jacksonville offense is doing just fine. Gabbert and Blackmon have a rhythm and they're just fine at running back too. Jones-Drew went all in on a pair of twos.
 
2012-08-22 10:56:54 AM  

js34603: Trade him to the Steelers.


The Short Bus?
 
2012-08-22 10:56:54 AM  

greenbowlpacker: Maybe he should change his name to Maurice Jones-Jew


Seriously?
 
2012-08-22 11:00:33 AM  

MugzyBrown: protectyourlimbs: one doesn't excuse the other...

It really does, though. It has nothing to do with greed, it's the stupid system they have put in place.

Both sides sign the deal knowing the big money at the end will never be paid, they player will be cut or they will renegotiate at some point.


His contract was front-loaded, which the teams often insist upon for salary cap reasons & the players go along with because the teams are less likely to cut them soon after signing the deal. I'm not as sympathetic towards the players as some because while in this case he is clearly outplaying his deal, he already received the bulk of the money due & should be set for life regardless (and even under this deal, stands to make more than $8 million over the final two seasons). If the player wants to ensure that he's always being payed in line with other players of his caliber, he should insist on 1-year contracts. Or the players union should insist upon redoing the salary cap system to avoid these kind of front-loaded scenarios in the future (weighing a player's average salary over the course of his contract against each season, for example).

I don't blame him for trying to get more money & I certainly understand his being upset over the owner's public comments, but I'm not very sympathetic.
 
2012-08-22 11:03:45 AM  

rjakobi: Maybe Maurice can use the extra money to get another last name.

I suggest Dreyfus.


I suggest Curtis.

Also, I saw a special on ESPN about MJD. He seemed like a great guy. However, I'm not a fan of holding out like this when it affects your team. Additionally, it could (but probably won't) cost him $870,000. Congrats, dude, you just blew through 1/6th of your salary. Maybe when you signed your huge front-loaded contract you should have put in large performance-based bonuses. (That goes for all players.)
 
2012-08-22 11:05:40 AM  

protectyourlimbs: Well im 50/50, MJD is greedy for wanting the contract he signed for a good amount of money redone, but he has literally carried their team over the years... pay, trade or have him sit but coming out publicly and telling the media its no big deal is going full retarded...


Carried their team....to......multiple losing seasons in a row? Sure, he's good, but he's not the indispensable cog to a perennial championship contender. The team is in serious rebuild mode right now, and by the time the team is half-way decent, MJD WILL be past his prime and worth considerably less. Why make a RB one of the highest paid in the league if you know full well that he's not carrying you anywhere? Just cut the greedy bastard and save some money, while also eliminating some soon-to-be locker room cancer. For the record, I think the Jags will be vastly more entertaining this year, and could even break even, especially considering how bad their division is right now. I don't think this will affect ticket sales in the slightest, MJD is not a flashy, exciting player that people come just to watch put on a show. He got 100 yards a game 4.7 yards at a time, and rarely much over that. His longest run wasn't over 14 yards for every game but 3, and none of them were over 50. Only 8 TDs on the year. He is a workhorse back, but he does not put many people in the seats.
 
2012-08-22 11:07:30 AM  

Mentat: You must have been asleep this pre-season subby. The Jacksonville offense is doing just fine. Gabbert and Blackmon have a rhythm and they're just fine at running back too. Jones-Drew went all in on a pair of twos.


The Jags rank 10th in yards/game halfway through their preseason schedule.

Last year's preseason top 10 offenses included Arizona, Washington, St. Louis, and Tampa Bay, all of whom averaged more yards/game than the Jags in 2012.
 
2012-08-22 11:08:48 AM  

skrame: rjakobi: Maybe Maurice can use the extra money to get another last name.

I suggest Dreyfus.

I suggest Curtis Carey


Maurice Jones-Drew-Carey. Would be particularly great if he got traded to the Browns.
 
2012-08-22 11:09:02 AM  

Gonz: The most replaceable piece on an NFL team is the RB, most of the time. There are exceptions, but not many. You're not going to find an AP every year, but other than the really, really elite guys, a halfback's a halfback.

MJD's good, but there are dudes all over the league who can go for 1,000. If he won't play, trade him to Cleveland.


Very true. RB success is mostly about the circumstances out of their control- O-line, Offensive philosophy, injuries. I'd say AP, DMC, Rice, and McCoy are the exceptions. Every other RB in the league (including backups) probably wouldn't differ by more than .1 or .2 YPC's if given a chance to start for the Jaguars this year.
 
2012-08-22 11:10:36 AM  

digistil: Honest question... Why isn't Jacksonville up for sale? It seems like Khan (I think that's the owner's name) could give a shiat about his team.


With them now going to play games in London, I think the end goal is to move the team...maybe not there but he is going to leverage the NFL to make money....A losing team can sellout year after year if it is in the right city....but they are not in the right city, so why pay MJD the money and lose-lose money...
 
2012-08-22 11:13:33 AM  

karmaceutical: greenbowlpacker: Maybe he should change his name to Maurice Jones-Jew

Seriously?


What? Yes, Seriously.
 
2012-08-22 11:18:26 AM  

Carl Winslow's .9 MM: Gonz: The most replaceable piece on an NFL team is the RB, most of the time. There are exceptions, but not many. You're not going to find an AP every year, but other than the really, really elite guys, a halfback's a halfback.

MJD's good, but there are dudes all over the league who can go for 1,000. If he won't play, trade him to Cleveland.

Very true. RB success is mostly about the circumstances out of their control- O-line, Offensive philosophy, injuries. I'd say AP, DMC, Rice, and McCoy are the exceptions. Every other RB in the league (including backups) probably wouldn't differ by more than .1 or .2 YPC's if given a chance to start for the Jaguars this year.


AP is goof for 1,300 + yards per year and we have had a shiatty OL for about 3 years now.
 
2012-08-22 11:18:58 AM  

MugzyBrown: It really does, though. It has nothing to do with greed, it's the stupid system they have put in place.


The system isn't stupid, the reporting on contracts is stupid (8 year 120 million dollar deal!!!). But I think the fact you can cut unproductive/uncooperative players is the very essence of why the NFL is so successful. It isn't like it's a completely one way street. Most big contracts do have huge signing bonuses and SOME guaranteed money, they just don;t guarantee the whole thing and I strongly prefer they keep doing it that way. I have no interest whatsoever in seeing an nfl with nba style contracts.
 
2012-08-22 11:19:31 AM  
I wonder if sitting out for a year would extend his career for a year.
 
2012-08-22 11:21:19 AM  

MugzyBrown: protectyourlimbs: one doesn't excuse the other...

It really does, though. It has nothing to do with greed, it's the stupid system they have put in place.

Both sides sign the deal knowing the big money at the end will never be paid, they player will be cut or they will renegotiate at some point.


Ok, so if I buy a car and set up a 7yr payment plan to have smaller payements I can stop paying after say 5yrs because I dont plan on driving that car for more than 5?
 
2012-08-22 11:24:21 AM  
Ok, so if I buy a car and set up a 7yr payment plan to have smaller payements I can stop paying after say 5yrs because I dont plan on driving that car for more than 5?

Why are you questioning me on this? Ask the NFL owners.
 
2012-08-22 11:26:02 AM  

AddictedToFoobies: js34603: Trade him to the Steelers.

The Short Bus?


Nice. Start printing the t-shirts.
 
2012-08-22 11:29:15 AM  

protectyourlimbs: Ok, so if I buy a car and set up a 7yr payment plan to have smaller payements I can stop paying after say 5yrs because I dont plan on driving that car for more than 5?


Sure you can. But you have to give the car back.
 
2012-08-22 11:29:51 AM  

Harv72b: Mentat: You must have been asleep this pre-season subby. The Jacksonville offense is doing just fine. Gabbert and Blackmon have a rhythm and they're just fine at running back too. Jones-Drew went all in on a pair of twos.

The Jags rank 10th in yards/game halfway through their preseason schedule.

Last year's preseason top 10 offenses included Arizona, Washington, St. Louis, and Tampa Bay, all of whom averaged more yards/game than the Jags in 2012.


Which has no bearing at all on this season.
 
2012-08-22 11:33:55 AM  

AddictedToFoobies: js34603: Trade him to the Steelers.

The Short Bus?

 

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2012-08-22 11:45:16 AM  

Mentat: Which has no bearing at all on this season.


Preseason stats have no bearing at all on this season, you are correct.
 
2012-08-22 11:55:42 AM  

JohnBigBootay: protectyourlimbs: Ok, so if I buy a car and set up a 7yr payment plan to have smaller payements I can stop paying after say 5yrs because I dont plan on driving that car for more than 5?

Sure you can. But you have to give the car back.


Why?
 
2012-08-22 11:57:26 AM  

Sm3agol85: Carried their team....to......multiple losing seasons in a row? Sure, he's good, but he's not the indispensable cog to a perennial championship contender. The team is in serious rebuild mode right now, and by the time the team is half-way decent, MJD WILL be past his prime and worth considerably less. Why make a RB one of the highest paid in the league if you know full well that he's not carrying you anywhere? Just cut the greedy bastard and save some money, while also eliminating some soon-to-be locker room cancer.


That pretty much covers it, yeah. The Jags have ZERO reason to cave in to MJD's demands, they can finish 5-11 with or without him.
 
2012-08-22 12:00:26 PM  

protectyourlimbs: JohnBigBootay: protectyourlimbs: Ok, so if I buy a car and set up a 7yr payment plan to have smaller payements I can stop paying after say 5yrs because I dont plan on driving that car for more than 5?

Sure you can. But you have to give the car back.

Why?


So you understand: your analogy is not analogous at all
 
2012-08-22 12:01:27 PM  

rjakobi: Maybe Maurice can use the extra money to get another last name.

I suggest Dreyfus.


Curtis.

Maurice Jones-Drew Curtis
 
2012-08-22 12:05:41 PM  
Mentat: You must have been asleep this pre-season subby. The Jacksonville offense is doing just fine. Gabbert and Blackmon have a rhythm and they're just fine at running back too. Jones-Drew went all in on a pair of twos.

I have yet to see them play this year, and preseason is a whole lot different from the regular season. And perhaps Rashard Jennings will be adequate enough to replace Drew-Jones. But their trouble was not in the running game, it was that they couldn't throw. They were dead last by far in the NFL last year in passing. Bringing in the offensive minded Mularkey as head coach may be their biggest asset, and having Blackmon, Robinson, Thomas and Lewis to throw to this year will help, but I am convinced that the Jaguars have hitched their wagon to a tree stump with Gabbert. Last year he wasn't just bad, he was embarrassingly bad. He had a rag arm so he couldn't throw deep, he bailed at the first sign of pressure, and he was the worst decision maker since Donald Rumsfeld. I strongly suspect that by the bye week that Mularkey will be forced to bring in Henne to replace him.
 
2012-08-22 12:07:55 PM  
If the jags are serious about rebuilding, they should trade him now. I think some teams would look at trading for him for a 1st and a 4th rounder. or a 1st and a player to be named later.

Top suiters would be teams that need a runningback, think thats a big piece of what they need to go over the hump, but have a history of having a high draft pick.

Lions would be potential suitors
so would Green Bay
Not so sure about the Colts, and their thoughts about Donald Brown-- but if I were their brass, i'd kick it around a bit.
Dolphins have no WR-- and will put the brunt of the work on Reggie Bush at Running back... A retake at Thunder and Lightning?
Its uncommon for the Steelers to trade first round picks for a player--- but maybe trading a starter in a position thats pretty deep, and a mid round pick will work.

If I were Jacksonville, the Lions would be my #1 choice.
 
2012-08-22 12:11:37 PM  

grinding_journalist: I wonder how concerned he is about his ADP as a result of this holdout. I know he's a HUGE fantasy nerd.


"Running with MJD" On Sirius XM Fantasy Sports Radio.

I assume us highborne all have satellite radio.. right? All of us real fantasy geeks listen to the show son there.. right?
Tell me I'm amongst other real nerds with a better taste in music and radio content delivery?
 
2012-08-22 12:20:49 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: r.

That pretty much covers it, yeah. The Jags have ZERO reason to cave in to MJD's demands, they can finish 5-11 with or without him.


I thought Blaine Gabbert cut his beautiful, flowing locks specifically to raise money and awareness to get MJD a new deal.
 
2012-08-22 12:23:49 PM  

Sergeant Crash: If the jags are serious about rebuilding, they should trade him now. I think some teams would look at trading for him for a 1st and a 4th rounder. or a 1st and a player to be named later.

Top suiters would be teams that need a runningback, think thats a big piece of what they need to go over the hump, but have a history of having a high draft pick.

Lions would be potential suitors
so would Green Bay
Not so sure about the Colts, and their thoughts about Donald Brown-- but if I were their brass, i'd kick it around a bit.
Dolphins have no WR-- and will put the brunt of the work on Reggie Bush at Running back... A retake at Thunder and Lightning?
Its uncommon for the Steelers to trade first round picks for a player--- but maybe trading a starter in a position thats pretty deep, and a mid round pick will work.

If I were Jacksonville, the Lions would be my #1 choice.


I actually would not be opposed to the Steelers trading a late first round pick and a player or later pick for MJD. He probably has a couple or three productive years left and they certainly have RB issues.

They could pay him less than they are offering to Mike Wallace too, I'd bet.

/Never going to happen...but fun to think about
 
2012-08-22 12:26:31 PM  

Sergeant Crash: Lions would be potential suitors
so would Green Bay
Not so sure about the Colts, and their thoughts about Donald Brown-- but if I were their brass, i'd kick it around a bit.
Dolphins have no WR-- and will put the brunt of the work on Reggie Bush at Running back... A retake at Thunder and Lightning?
Its uncommon for the Steelers to trade first round picks for a player--- but maybe trading a starter in a position thats pretty deep, and a mid round pick will work.


Detroit may be interested and Green Bay.

No way Miami or Colts. They're both trying to rebuild

Maybe the Jets. They still think they're a good team and Green sucked last year.
 
2012-08-22 12:29:17 PM  

MugzyBrown: protectyourlimbs: JohnBigBootay: protectyourlimbs: Ok, so if I buy a car and set up a 7yr payment plan to have smaller payements I can stop paying after say 5yrs because I dont plan on driving that car for more than 5?

Sure you can. But you have to give the car back.

Why?

So you understand: your analogy is not analogous at all


So you can figure out why my analogy doesn't make sense and still don't understand the definition of signing a contract?

I am not agreeing with either side, just Greed on both ends with one side holding a trump card

/trump card= signed contract...
 
2012-08-22 12:31:24 PM  

varmitydog: I have yet to see them play this year, and preseason is a whole lot different from the regular season. And perhaps Rashard Jennings will be adequate enough to replace Drew-Jones. But their trouble was not in the running game, it was that they couldn't throw. They were dead last by far in the NFL last year in passing. Bringing in the offensive minded Mularkey as head coach may be their biggest asset, and having Blackmon, Robinson, Thomas and Lewis to throw to this year will help, but I am convinced that the Jaguars have hitched their wagon to a tree stump with Gabbert. Last year he wasn't just bad, he was embarrassingly bad. He had a rag arm so he couldn't throw deep, he bailed at the first sign of pressure, and he was the worst decision maker since Donald Rumsfeld. I strongly suspect that by the bye week that Mularkey will be forced to bring in Henne to replace him.


Gabbert was thrown in too soon into a situation that any rookie would have problems with. Some of the things you mentioned are issues he had at Mizzou and time will tell if he can correct them (especially the happy feet), but when he has his confidence (and a good receiver) he can be very good. He also tends to play better when he has a chip on his shoulder, which he does after last year. I doubt the Jags win the division, but I think you'll see real improvement in Gabbert's game this year.
 
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