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(Bay News 9)   Dare to imagine, if you will, 50,000 national Republican delegates stranded in downtown Tampa without power or water in the aftermath of a hurricane strike. Go on, dare, because forecasters now say it really could happen   (baynews9.com) divider line 426
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2012-08-22 10:58:33 AM

sprawl15: Mugato: I've heard that before. We'll see.

"We'll see" what? Are you going to magically elevate Tampa up 30 feet if a storm surge hits?

You're saying the effect of a storm surge hitting the area is lessened because they don't happen that often. That makes absolutely zero sense, and you're an imbecile for even suggesting it.


You sound very concerned.

And I appreciate that and your assessment of my mental condition but this storm is no bigger than most of the many storms that have come around here and it hasn't even hit Cuba yet. Yes, there will probably be some flooding but there's no reason to wake the President and call Bruce Willis out of retirement just yet.
 
2012-08-22 10:59:35 AM

Mugato: sprawl15: Mugato: sprawl15: You honestly think "Tampa bay is particularly susceptible to storm surge flooding due to its low elevation" is nonsense because you've never seen it happen?

Yes.

Then you're pretty farking stupid.

I've heard that before. We'll see.


Its hard to see what the point of your argument is here. No one is saying Tampa is doomed because Isaac will hit it. What people are saying is that if a storm manages to thread up into the Bay just right Tampa is going to suffer from enhanced storm surge effects due to the natural geography of the bay. It isn't a debatable topic. If a hurricane hits in the right spot a lot of water "carried" by the storm (called storm surge when it hits shore) is going to be funneled into the bay. Because the bay is shallow, and closed, that increased volume has nowhere to go because of the winds and atmospheric pressure driving it forward. This results in it piling up in the bay washing onto shore. Its like a firecracker going off in your hand vs. on it.
 
2012-08-22 10:59:49 AM

Head_Shot: Will it sweep them into the sea?

How do we get rid of the Democrats next?


There is a Tropical Depression lining up behind this one, with about a 99.9% chance of becoming a tropical cyclone of some sort, but it probably won't wait until the Dems Convention. But it the pattern holds, there could be another one . . .

/We could hope
//I like the Democrats, but I also like symmetry
///Remember, Hurrecanes, the highest form of Cyclyonic.
 
2012-08-22 11:00:34 AM
beta_plus: This sounds like good news for Tampa Bay. The Republicans can show how one is supposed to handle a natural disaster.

And maybe we'll get a chance to see how a FEMA director who has 2 decades of emergency management experience compares with the former Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association.  It would be fun to watch Obama's FEMA people airlifting hundreds of hoverrounds to safety, even as their owners continue to gripe and b#tch about big government interfering in their lives.
 
2012-08-22 11:01:02 AM
At the last city to host the RNC Convention, a bridge collapsed. Now a hurricane is bearing down in them. Sometimes the metaphors just write themselves.
 
2012-08-22 11:01:24 AM

SFSailor: tricycleracer: They even got a travel day wiped from the Rays schedule because of it.

Dammitsomuch. I already had enough reasons to dislike them, and now they're farking with baseball? F them. And I ain't even a Rays fan.

lordaction: Nothing bad. When Katrina hit you saw the difference between Republicans and Democrats. The heavy republican areas took care of each other, were peaceful, and rebuilt quickly. The democrats looted, burned buildings, shot at the police and raped children. This reaction has been shown over and over again, most recently the wildfires out west.

For my own mental health, I'm going to believe you're trolling (and quite successfully). But setting aside the fact that (a) you're full of shiat and (b) you're trolling, there are people who make arguments similar to yours. These arguments should do nothing more than reveal massive, fundamental racism and ignorance on the part of the people making them, but, unfortunately, other racist, uninformed people will be swayed by them.

They are, inherently, wrong. R/D blame COMPLETELY OVERLOOKS socioeconomic status and population density. Even if your bullshiat were true, it's a lot easier to "take care of each other" and "[rebuild] the city" if you start off with resources, space and a hearty shared-fear-of-Other monoculture than if you're already poor, packed in a metropolis and dealing with a variety of other people with different beliefs, needs and priorities.

So, TLDR: Even if you're trolling, go fark yourself.


Then how do explain the lack of Cro-Magnon DNA, which it directly tied to intelligence, in certain groups of people?
 
2012-08-22 11:03:38 AM

Mugato: this storm is no bigger than most of the many storms that have come around here and it hasn't even hit Cuba yet. Yes, there will probably be some flooding but there's no reason to wake the President and call Bruce Willis out of retirement just yet.


I'll use small words:

I WAS NEVER TALKING ABOUT JUST THIS STORM

I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT HOW HIGH THE TAMPA BAY AREA IS ABOVE SEA LEVEL

MANY PARTS ARE NOT THAT HIGH

IF A STORM SURGE HITS TAMPA IT COULD BE BAD

Mugato: You sound very concerned.


hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
2012-08-22 11:03:55 AM

wxboy: It should be noted that the current official forecast has Isaac going right to Miami and probably not all that close to Tampa. It won't take much of a shift, though, to get it to go to the other side of FL and really threaten Tampa.


It should also be noted that at worst, the forecast has Isaac as a Cat 1 storm and passing over the rest of the state to hit Tampa would mean it'd be little more than some heavy rain with a little wind thrown in...or as it's better known as "pretty much every summer afternoon in west central Florida".

Unless it gets up to a Cat 3 storm and comes in via the Gulf and not overland, the delegates may get a little wet...which given the locale and time of year they were going to likely get anyway.

/Florida native, Tampa expat
//glad I'm not there for the convention
///traffic was awful before...don't even wanna imagine what it'll be like during the convention
 
2012-08-22 11:05:59 AM

shotglasss: You don't pay attention, do you? Look at what Obambalam is running on. Republicans will take your health care, social security, welfare checks, you name it. It's been that way for decades.


Actually you don't read very well do you? I openly said that I understand why the parties put out the propaganda.

My issue is with the people who actually believe the idiotic fear mongering. That [fear topic of the week] is going to "destroy America".

How pathetic do you think your country is that if the opposing political party gets into power it will destroy your country?? I am rarely happy with the politicians that get into power in my country but I have no fear that they will destroy it.

/then again, I have no fear of people who ask me if I've been to the stampede yet.
//cannot fathom living in such a culture of fear
 
2012-08-22 11:07:52 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: Its hard to see what the point of your argument is here.


It's like he's arguing that Ebola doesn't have a high mortality rate because he's never seen someone catch Ebola.
 
2012-08-22 11:08:25 AM
The Republican Party's worst nightmare

factmag-images.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-08-22 11:09:45 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: lordaction: You're right. I must have imagined the week of 24 hours news that showed the cannibalism and head hunting at the super dome.

You're just now realizing that most of your memories are completely made up inside your own head? Because it's been pretty obvious to the rest of us for quite some time now that you're completely and utterly deluded.


Really? I've got proof. My friend took this in his backyard during the hurricane. Can't argue with fact, can ya?

steadfastfinances.com
 
2012-08-22 11:11:35 AM

give me doughnuts: Sucks to your asthma asthmar, Piggy.


Srry, pet peave.
 
2012-08-22 11:11:43 AM

sprawl15: Mugato: this storm is no bigger than most of the many storms that have come around here and it hasn't even hit Cuba yet. Yes, there will probably be some flooding but there's no reason to wake the President and call Bruce Willis out of retirement just yet.

I'll use small words:

I WAS NEVER TALKING ABOUT JUST THIS STORM

I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT HOW HIGH THE TAMPA BAY AREA IS ABOVE SEA LEVEL

MANY PARTS ARE NOT THAT HIGH

IF A STORM SURGE HITS TAMPA IT COULD BE BAD

Mugato: You sound very concerned.

hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr



No, I understand. Completely. Tell all of your loved ones in that area to head to the nearest bunker. Better safe than drowned.
 
2012-08-22 11:12:20 AM

lordaction: Really? I've got proof. My friend took this in his backyard during the hurricane. Can't argue with fact, can ya?


I now need one of those codpieces.

img440.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-22 11:12:48 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: Mugato: sprawl15: Mugato: sprawl15: You honestly think "Tampa bay is particularly susceptible to storm surge flooding due to its low elevation" is nonsense because you've never seen it happen?

Yes.

Then you're pretty farking stupid.

I've heard that before. We'll see.

Its hard to see what the point of your argument is here. No one is saying Tampa is doomed because Isaac will hit it. What people are saying is that if a storm manages to thread up into the Bay just right Tampa is going to suffer from enhanced storm surge effects due to the natural geography of the bay. It isn't a debatable topic. If a hurricane hits in the right spot a lot of water "carried" by the storm (called storm surge when it hits shore) is going to be funneled into the bay. Because the bay is shallow, and closed, that increased volume has nowhere to go because of the winds and atmospheric pressure driving it forward. This results in it piling up in the bay washing onto shore. Its like a firecracker going off in your hand vs. on it.


What is wrong with you, Mugato? You sound like an ignorant little boy refusing to believe that hurricanes are real. I grew up in Florida too, you know, and I've seen the house I grew up in get destroyed by the bayou I played in. I've seen passes open and close, barrier islands shift and move. I'm only 42 years old.

You sound like you know absolutely nothing about the environment of Florida. I'd recommend you stop talking because you embarrass yourself.
 
2012-08-22 11:14:07 AM

craig328: wxboy: It should be noted that the current official forecast has Isaac going right to Miami and probably not all that close to Tampa. It won't take much of a shift, though, to get it to go to the other side of FL and really threaten Tampa.

It should also be noted that at worst, the forecast has Isaac as a Cat 1 storm and passing over the rest of the state to hit Tampa would mean it'd be little more than some heavy rain with a little wind thrown in...or as it's better known as "pretty much every summer afternoon in west central Florida".

Unless it gets up to a Cat 3 storm and comes in via the Gulf and not overland, the delegates may get a little wet...which given the locale and time of year they were going to likely get anyway


What he said with one exception. It's been raining like hell here for the last couple of months. All the ponds are full or overflowing. The ground is saturated. They're going to get wet no matter what happens.

/Wish I could relocate some of the water out west. They need it
 
2012-08-22 11:15:30 AM
That would SO awesome. Thousands of "small government" assholes trapped in various places, pleading for the government, any government, to do something. If this actually happens, I'd come a little closer to believing in a higher power.
 
2012-08-22 11:18:20 AM
I wonder when Pat Robertson is going to blame all the gay Republicans for inviting God's wrath?

Oh, that isn't going to happen? Surprise, surprise.
 
2012-08-22 11:18:21 AM
Sounds like a recipe for some clandestine butt lovin'.
 
2012-08-22 11:18:35 AM

bigbadideasinaction: I found this funny, and envisioned it happening, and the vision was quickly replaced by the GOP delegates howling from the rooftops that Federal aid should have arrived faster, wasn't enough, and demanding (possibly at the point of a gun) that the FEMA aid for other parts of the city be given to them as well, since they obviously need it more.

They're all bootstrappy until then they need it, then the only good Federal overreach is the overreach that benefits them, and it should be more.


Except that, because you're implicitly comparing this to Katrina, people in Florida know to get the eff out of the way of a major storm. Just so we're clear, Andrew hit a much more populated area, was a much stronger storm (Cat 5...strongest they got) and killed 26 (over three states). Katrina was a weaker storm, hit a less populated area and killed 1800+. Also toss in the fact that forecasting and predicting was much better for Katrina than it was for Andrew and that, apparently unlike Louisiana, Florida has contingency plans for storms that kick the shiat out of them. The Florida National Guard was mobilized before Andrew ever hit shore and was on the scene literally as the winds died down. People left days ahead of the storm and stayed out immediately afterward.

None of that seemed to be the case with Katrina...and for what was easily foreseeable as a much worse worst case scenario (a storm hitting a city whose existence is ensured by decades old under-maintained levies).

Point is, your fantasy about airlifting federal aid to Florida a la the scenes in New Orleans won't be playing out because the people in charge in Florida are incompetent jackwads like they were in Louisiana for Katrina. Florida has taken Mother Nature's best hurricane shot and never came close to needing the Army deployed so people didn't shoot at rescue and relief helicopters coming to help their dumb, I-ain't-'vacuatin'-shiat, asses.

Just sayin'.
 
2012-08-22 11:18:54 AM

indylaw: Virtual_Mischief: Don't worry about Tampa. It's just the toilet flushing, right?

The nice housing and the corporate offices are near the bays (Tampa and Hillsborough). What would survive is where all the seedier elements live. Plant City and the endless meth labs would be untouched by the storm surge.


My comment was meant to be facetious. During Hurricane Katrina, the "toilet flushing" comment was made by some moranic Freeper. Re-purposing it for the lulz.
 
2012-08-22 11:19:30 AM
Live, from Tampa, it's the Republican National Convention!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-22 11:20:32 AM
This storm should be entertaining to watch.

If it gets past the DR with near-hurricane force winds the news is really going to go nuts.

If it then takes a quick zip across Cuba without losing too much energy AND the water south of the Keys is warmer than average - watch out! A cat2-3 charging up the west coast of Florida, making landfall at PCB would wreck havoc - and not just for the convention.
 
2012-08-22 11:21:18 AM

Confabulat: You sound like you know absolutely nothing about the environment of Florida. I'd recommend you stop talking because you embarrass yourself.


Ok, and after this storm plows through Cuba and doesn't in the process get reduced to a tropical depression and instead of heading west, razes all of the Tampa Bay area, I'll be proven wrong and I will enthusiastically apologize.
 
2012-08-22 11:22:43 AM

Mugato: Ok, and after this storm


Why the fark do you think this storm has anything to do with what we're talking about?
 
2012-08-22 11:23:10 AM

dofus: craig328: wxboy: It should be noted that the current official forecast has Isaac going right to Miami and probably not all that close to Tampa. It won't take much of a shift, though, to get it to go to the other side of FL and really threaten Tampa.

It should also be noted that at worst, the forecast has Isaac as a Cat 1 storm and passing over the rest of the state to hit Tampa would mean it'd be little more than some heavy rain with a little wind thrown in...or as it's better known as "pretty much every summer afternoon in west central Florida".

Unless it gets up to a Cat 3 storm and comes in via the Gulf and not overland, the delegates may get a little wet...which given the locale and time of year they were going to likely get anyway

What he said with one exception. It's been raining like hell here for the last couple of months. All the ponds are full or overflowing. The ground is saturated. They're going to get wet no matter what happens.

/Wish I could relocate some of the water out west. They need it


THIS! I've given up on maintaining my lawn, it's turned into a damn pond!
 
2012-08-22 11:24:01 AM

lordaction: Then how do explain the lack of Cro-Magnon DNA, which it directly tied to intelligence, in certain groups of people?


I'm convinced you're trolling, which can be a fine and (ig)noble hobby. Stick to a bit more "funny" and a bit less "wildly-misrepresentative, ignorant, racist and harmful comment about a damned national tragedy" and you'll get the "funny troll" color several other farkers have. In the meantime, you get "not sure if trying to be funny or just ignorant asshole." Good luck going for the upgrade!
 
2012-08-22 11:26:17 AM

Mugato: You sound very concerned.

And I appreciate that and your assessment of my mental condition but this storm is no bigger than most of the many storms that have come around here and it hasn't even hit Cuba yet. Yes, there will probably be some flooding but there's no reason to wake the President and call Bruce Willis out of retirement just yet.


Given that Debby hit just a few months ago and Tampa got some pretty nasty flooding even though it got the weak end of the storm, I think you're minimizing it. You don't need a direct impact from a Category 4 storm to do some real damage there. A category 1 or 2 grazing the coast will be enough to flood downtown and cut off the TBT Forum.
 
2012-08-22 11:26:27 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: BeesNuts: This is gonna be one shiatshow of a convention and I'd like the opportunity to see a political party tear itself apart on live TV at an event that's supposed to be a rally.

Yeah, about that, not going to happen. It's going to be the same carefully scripted infomercial as every modern party convention. The Tea Partiers and the Paulites will be cheering as loudly as anyone.


Probably so. But this is the closest I think they'll ever come to throwing a punch on stage. I will be tuning in right after my fantasy draft.
 
2012-08-22 11:26:58 AM

dofus: What he said with one exception. It's been raining like hell here for the last couple of months. All the ponds are full or overflowing. The ground is saturated. They're going to get wet no matter what happens.

/Wish I could relocate some of the water out west. They need it


True enough to a point. The ground being saturated will make local flooding worse but no matter what, if a Cat 1 storm passes over Tampa and dumps the kind of rains they do, downtown, Bayshore, Davis Island, Harbor Island, Palma Ceia, most of south Tampa and parts of the rest of the city WILL flood.

When I lived there I was in South Seminole Heights only three houses of up from the Hillsborough River. We were maybe 7-8 feet above the high water mark on the river. The family house had been there since 1923 and has never once flooded or even be slightly damaged by a storm. Reason was: the far side river bank sat a good 1-2 feet below our side...which meant that any water backing up the river from the bay was gonna release over that bank and not ours. That's not to say that we eventually wouldn't be wading...but if that had happened it would have meant most of the city was underwater by then...and that would take an assload of rain along with a ridiculous storm surge to make it all happen. The kind that a cat 4 or 5 storm would bring. In which case, I'd have been long gone with a copy of my homeowners and flood insurance policies in a .pdf in a Gmail to myself.
 
2012-08-22 11:28:07 AM
Dare to imagine, if you will, 50,000 national Republican delegates stranded in downtown Tampa without power or water in the aftermath of a hurricane strike. Go on, dare, because forecasters now say it really could happen

PUNCHLINE: It's a good start!

(Cue laugh track)
 
2012-08-22 11:29:51 AM

indylaw: You don't need a direct impact from a Category 4 storm to do some real damage there. A category 1 or 2 grazing the coast will be enough to flood downtown and cut off the TBT Forum.


From what I understand, the geography of the bay is such that it really does take a direct hit to do much of anything because of the narrow mouth + wide bay. A lot of places that have problems like you describe have wider entry points (to get a big surface of surge) that narrows as it enters the population center (increasing intensity).

If a hurricane went right UP the bay, though, it would be totally farked. Even just a category 1. I think the highest elevation on MacDill is something like 20 feet above sea level.
 
2012-08-22 11:31:09 AM

madgonad: This storm should be entertaining to watch.

If it gets past the DR with near-hurricane force winds the news is really going to go nuts.

If it then takes a quick zip across Cuba without losing too much energy AND the water south of the Keys is warmer than average - watch out! A cat2-3 charging up the west coast of Florida, making landfall at PCB would wreck havoc - and not just for the convention.


I hope they can rebuild it themselves. It'd be hypocritical for them to ask the government for help.

/I'd love to see Newt hauling pitch to repair the roads along side Romeny.
 
2012-08-22 11:31:09 AM
Buddha, FSM et al forgive me...
But I can't help thinking
"Alright, god...ya got 'em right where you want 'em. Do your worst stuff."
 
2012-08-22 11:32:40 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

Don't worry, the GOP's hired this experienced expert 

/heckofajob
 
2012-08-22 11:32:49 AM

sprawl15: indylaw: You don't need a direct impact from a Category 4 storm to do some real damage there. A category 1 or 2 grazing the coast will be enough to flood downtown and cut off the TBT Forum.

From what I understand, the geography of the bay is such that it really does take a direct hit to do much of anything because of the narrow mouth + wide bay. A lot of places that have problems like you describe have wider entry points (to get a big surface of surge) that narrows as it enters the population center (increasing intensity).

If a hurricane went right UP the bay, though, it would be totally farked. Even just a category 1. I think the highest elevation on MacDill is something like 20 feet above sea level.


Yeah, but Bayshore and Downtown were flooded out in storms in the past decade that hit 50 miles north or south of the bay.

The Forum is right on the waterfront. Even if the bay itself didn't rise that much, it would force water up higher through the channel were the Convention is situated and it would be a farking mess.

We're not talking a Katrina-like mess, but enough that it could severely disrupt operations in that part of town.
 
2012-08-22 11:34:34 AM

sprawl15: indylaw: You don't need a direct impact from a Category 4 storm to do some real damage there. A category 1 or 2 grazing the coast will be enough to flood downtown and cut off the TBT Forum.

From what I understand, the geography of the bay is such that it really does take a direct hit to do much of anything because of the narrow mouth + wide bay. A lot of places that have problems like you describe have wider entry points (to get a big surface of surge) that narrows as it enters the population center (increasing intensity).

If a hurricane went right UP the bay, though, it would be totally farked. Even just a category 1. I think the highest elevation on MacDill is something like 20 feet above sea level.


You basically mainly need the storm to be in the position to provide W and SW winds to drive the water right into the bay. The absolute worst-case scenario would be to have the storm moving NE right over the top of the city or just to the north so that the strongest winds in the right direction are right over the bay itself. Which still is a distinct possibility with this storm. Such a trajectory could also easily avoid too much Cuba interaction as well, leading to a stronger storm at FL landfall.
 
2012-08-22 11:35:07 AM

indylaw: sprawl15: indylaw: You don't need a direct impact from a Category 4 storm to do some real damage there. A category 1 or 2 grazing the coast will be enough to flood downtown and cut off the TBT Forum.

From what I understand, the geography of the bay is such that it really does take a direct hit to do much of anything because of the narrow mouth + wide bay. A lot of places that have problems like you describe have wider entry points (to get a big surface of surge) that narrows as it enters the population center (increasing intensity).

If a hurricane went right UP the bay, though, it would be totally farked. Even just a category 1. I think the highest elevation on MacDill is something like 20 feet above sea level.

Yeah, but Bayshore and Downtown were flooded out in storms in the past decade that hit 50 miles north or south of the bay.

The Forum is right on the waterfront. Even if the bay itself didn't rise that much, it would force water up higher through the channel were the Convention is situated and it would be a farking mess.

We're not talking a Katrina-like mess, but enough that it could severely disrupt operations in that part of town.


You want to talk 'karma'? THAT would be karma.

The GOP, locked into the Florida version of the Superdome for 3 days with no running water, no power, no food, waiting to be rescued by THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I get tingles just thinking about it.
 
2012-08-22 11:35:33 AM

indylaw: Mugato: You sound very concerned.

And I appreciate that and your assessment of my mental condition but this storm is no bigger than most of the many storms that have come around here and it hasn't even hit Cuba yet. Yes, there will probably be some flooding but there's no reason to wake the President and call Bruce Willis out of retirement just yet.

Given that Debby hit just a few months ago and Tampa got some pretty nasty flooding even though it got the weak end of the storm, I think you're minimizing it. You don't need a direct impact from a Category 4 storm to do some real damage there. A category 1 or 2 grazing the coast will be enough to flood downtown and cut off the TBT Forum.



Alright, I don't need to go around and around on this. I realize that there could be some flooding involved with this storm, maybe more than some people who are visitors are used to. Of course, the utter chaos that this convention has needlessly caused in regards to traffic is in my opinion worse than any storm we've seen in the last couple decades so I guess the two forces joining together aren't helping. But it's not farking Armageddon. Just everyone relax.
 
2012-08-22 11:35:45 AM

dofus: What he said with one exception. It's been raining like hell here for the last couple of months.


Forgot about that. Father's in-law friend... Fark it. Father in-law's friend said its been raining there like Hawaii. Sun, shower, sun - everyday.
 
2012-08-22 11:36:28 AM

indylaw: Yeah, but Bayshore and Downtown were flooded out in storms in the past decade that hit 50 miles north or south of the bay.

The Forum is right on the waterfront. Even if the bay itself didn't rise that much, it would force water up higher through the channel were the Convention is situated and it would be a farking mess.

We're not talking a Katrina-like mess, but enough that it could severely disrupt operations in that part of town.


True dat.
 
2012-08-22 11:37:18 AM

Mugato: this storm


Are you still confused about this?

Farking lol.
 
2012-08-22 11:37:31 AM
i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-22 11:38:51 AM

sprawl15: indylaw: You don't need a direct impact from a Category 4 storm to do some real damage there. A category 1 or 2 grazing the coast will be enough to flood downtown and cut off the TBT Forum.

From what I understand, the geography of the bay is such that it really does take a direct hit to do much of anything because of the narrow mouth + wide bay. A lot of places that have problems like you describe have wider entry points (to get a big surface of surge) that narrows as it enters the population center (increasing intensity).

If a hurricane went right UP the bay, though, it would be totally farked. Even just a category 1. I think the highest elevation on MacDill is something like 20 feet above sea level.


My recollection was that a worst case scenario for the Tampa Bay area has a large eye that skirts the Pinellas coast moving almost due north. That would put the strongest winds blowing straight up Tampa Bay and pulling water from the low pressure dome that's right outside the bay mouth. The wind collects the water from the shallow bay, pushes them (along with some storm surge from the dome) up into upper Tampa Bay and right into and over Davis and Harbor Islands, into downtown and up the Hillsborough River. The river being the windy corridor it is backs up in several places spilling floodwaters both east and west into low lying areas. I seem to recall that Lowry Park was about the extent that authorities thought the river backup would allow salt water from the bay to spill out overland.

What would be infinitely worse though would be the outflow when the storm passes and all that water drains back into the bay. All those nice barrier islands along the Pinellas coast...with all those nifty waterside highrises...yeah, they're gonna get undercut by the water rushing back out to the Gulf and you'll get several new island cuts (think Johns Pass) to boot.
 
2012-08-22 11:39:59 AM

sprawl15: Mugato: this storm

Are you still confused about this?

Farking lol.


Nope, not at all.
 
2012-08-22 11:43:44 AM

homelessdude: Does Tampa have a domed stadium they can evac to? (would be just deserts, albeit about 8 yrs late)


St. Petersburg does - Tropicana Field. And it's already where the St. Pete half of the convention is being held. It's also COMPLETELY buggering up my weekend plans by making traffic and parking in pretty much all of downtown St. Pete a nightmare. I HOPE the hurricane comes this way just to fark with them...

...and sadly, as I posted in another thread, yeah, there are already derptard teabagger mail forwards (which I've gotten from some of my loonier relatives) for the tinfoil-hat set claiming that Obama caused the hurricane just to disrupt the convention. Seriously.
 
2012-08-22 11:44:32 AM
Good thing Romney's magic undies will protect him.
 
2012-08-22 11:44:43 AM
Bet someone peed in the Sea of Galilee.
 
2012-08-22 11:45:47 AM
Electricity and clean drinking water are socialist and no true Republican wants or needs them.

My question is, what is Tampa going to do about all this Marxist oxygen?
 
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