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(Telegraph)   Baroness can't understand why the BBC won't put a statue of George Orwell in front of its headquarters, especially since part of his novel 1984 is based on his experiences at the BBC   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 60
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2012-08-22 10:09:52 AM
Orwell was a man who loved his Anglo-Saxon ancestry. Because he refuses to suck French dick really no one important cares about him

/Sort of kidding
 
2012-08-22 10:50:43 AM
Orwell was the most intellectually honest person I've ever read.
 
2012-08-22 11:16:45 AM
But how do Tomax and Xamot feel?
 
2012-08-22 11:17:44 AM
Cobra!
 
2012-08-22 11:17:49 AM
The steed... GOLGOTHA
 
2012-08-22 11:18:13 AM

kid_icarus: Cobra!


Damn you.
 
2012-08-22 11:18:27 AM

Counter_Intelligent: But how do Tomax and Xamot feel?


I'm still mad they were left out of the movie. I refuse to watch it.
 
2012-08-22 11:19:56 AM
t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-08-22 11:19:57 AM
How do Kylesa feel about it?
 
2012-08-22 11:20:35 AM
im just glad they're ok after that bus accident
 
2012-08-22 11:22:20 AM
Did no one consult the East Transcarpathian embassy about this?

'um UMMMM SHE HAD SOMETHING IN HER EYE"
/Lord D
 
2012-08-22 11:22:23 AM
Am I the only one sad at the lack of GI Joe cosplay?
 
2012-08-22 11:22:23 AM
What a Baroness looks like
moviespics.wcgame.ru
 
2012-08-22 11:23:45 AM
www.toplessrobot.com

I sure ain't going to argue with her...
 
2012-08-22 11:25:14 AM
Has anyone asked Destro his opinion yet?
 
2012-08-22 11:25:18 AM

mattg: The steed... GOLGOTHA


What a Baroness may also look like:
media.metalhammer.co.uk
/hot
 
2012-08-22 11:31:51 AM
Her reaction when the word from the BBC came down:

epicbattleaxe.com
 
2012-08-22 11:32:07 AM

Counter_Intelligent: But how do Tomax and Xamot feel?


I thought she was hooked up with Major Bludd and sort of had a thing with Destro?
 
2012-08-22 11:33:37 AM
Came for the G.I. Joe references; leaving satisfied.
 
2012-08-22 11:34:43 AM

Mentat: Orwell was the most intellectually honest person I've ever read.


Pretty much that. I may not have agreed with him on a lot but he seemed like he wasent putting any BS out there and he was very critical of governments that said they were "left"
 
2012-08-22 11:34:48 AM
Maybe she could put the statue on a farm full of animals?
 
2012-08-22 11:34:59 AM

Fragarach: Her reaction when the word from the BBC came down:

[epicbattleaxe.com image 529x300]


I see what you did there.
 
2012-08-22 11:35:01 AM
In case you're wondering, the connection is that while he worked for the BBC, Orwell had to sit through a lot of boring-ass meetings in Room 101 of the building where he worked, so he named the worst torture chamber at the Ministry of Love after it.

I know I'd probably choose having a cage full of starving rats strapped to my face over most of the meetings I have to go to myself.
 
2012-08-22 11:38:49 AM
Since TFA wasn't from BBC.CO.UK, I don't believe it.
/James Naughtie is the new Walter Cronkite, with a MUCH cooler accent.
 
2012-08-22 11:41:37 AM
doublepluss ungood
 
2012-08-22 11:44:44 AM
fta:

"George Orwell is regarded as something of a patron saint of political journalism so his presence near the BBC could surely act as some kind of inspiration to all independent-minded broadcasters."

I didn't know george orwell was a political journalist. if he hadn't have written his fictions, I wonder if there would be such a desire to memorialize him.
 
2012-08-22 11:45:37 AM
Very surprised to see the BBC consider George Orwell "too left wing". The prancing lefties at the BBC must be having a laugh.

Orwell was anti soviet at a time when this was revisionism at the BBC hence no forgiveness.
 
2012-08-22 11:47:57 AM
Sure Not Serious.
/But you must admit, "Naughtie" is the perfect name for a BBC journalist, since Newscorp isn't hiring over there these days.
 
2012-08-22 11:51:04 AM

pute kisses like a man: fta:

"George Orwell is regarded as something of a patron saint of political journalism so his presence near the BBC could surely act as some kind of inspiration to all independent-minded broadcasters."

I didn't know george orwell was a political journalist. if he hadn't have written his fictions, I wonder if there would be such a desire to memorialize him.


Read his essays.
 
2012-08-22 12:01:05 PM
"Down and Out in Paris and London" is a book many, many more people should read. It is a frank, prosaic account of the grimy, day-to-day grind of poverty and low-wage work in a time before the emergence of the modern social safety net. The bad decisions people make because the only alternative is a worse decision. The things they give up to survive, from pawning their warm overcoats for food to being herded like cattle into a filthy "shelter" for the night.

Also it introduced me to the rule that the pricier a restaurant, the more people have touched your food. Not necessarily clean people. And that restauranteurs are cheap assholes, but I kind of knew that from being a plongeur myself for a summer.

texdent:
What a Baroness looks like
[moviespics.wcgame.ru image 280x390]


NO.
 
2012-08-22 12:03:45 PM

pute kisses like a man: fta:

"George Orwell is regarded as something of a patron saint of political journalism so his presence near the BBC could surely act as some kind of inspiration to all independent-minded broadcasters."

I didn't know george orwell was a political journalist. if he hadn't have written his fictions, I wonder if there would be such a desire to memorialize him.


orwell.ru
 
2012-08-22 12:10:26 PM

I am Wee Todd Ed: Counter_Intelligent: But how do Tomax and Xamot feel?

I thought she was hooked up with Major Bludd and sort of had a thing with Destro?


Major Bludd, Destro, Storm Shadow, any number of diplomats, politicians, businessmen (for her "duties"). She gets around.
 
2012-08-22 12:13:07 PM
nerdbastards.com
 
2012-08-22 12:17:25 PM
www.metalsucks.net
 
2012-08-22 12:22:35 PM

amindtat: [www.metalsucks.net image 500x375]


Get well soon guys. If you can't play in early November at least come hang out and show some artwork at Fun Fun Fun Fest.

You know we'll party hard!
 
2012-08-22 12:45:10 PM

SithLord: I am Wee Todd Ed: Counter_Intelligent: But how do Tomax and Xamot feel?

I thought she was hooked up with Major Bludd and sort of had a thing with Destro?

Major Bludd, Destro, Storm Shadow, any number of diplomats, politicians, businessmen (for her "duties"). She gets around.


Dont forget Chuckles, that was sort of a thing there for a while.
 
2012-08-22 12:45:54 PM
 
2012-08-22 12:53:47 PM

Farktastic: [www.toplessrobot.com image 480x653]

I sure ain't going to argue with her...


THE BALLONESS!
 
2012-08-22 12:59:25 PM
I suppose the measure that you might be actually writing truthfully would be when you are a patron saint of both the right and the left wings.

Well done, Eric. All the right people hate and misunderstand you.
 
2012-08-22 01:04:16 PM

Farktastic: [www.toplessrobot.com image 480x653]

I sure ain't going to argue with her...


damn you.
but thank you as well.
 
2012-08-22 01:06:15 PM
Anyone else find these successive lines completely incongruous?

Mr Jennings said: "George Orwell is regarded as something of a patron saint of political journalism so his presence near the BBC could surely act as some kind of inspiration to all independent-minded broadcasters."

Orwell worked for the BBC's Eastern Service from 1941 to 1943, producing broadcasts to India designed to counter Nazi propaganda.
 
2012-08-22 01:12:30 PM

Choo-Choo Bear: Orwell worked for the BBC's Eastern Service from 1941 to 1943, producing broadcasts to India designed to counter Nazi propaganda.


What, you mean he actually had a semi-biographical context for Winston Smiths character? What is so odd about that?
 
2012-08-22 01:29:44 PM

Valiente: I suppose the measure that you might be actually writing truthfully would be when you are a patron saint of both the right and the left wings.

Well done, Eric. All the right people hate and misunderstand you.


Orwell is a patron saint of the right?

Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.

Why would they want him as their patron saint?
 
2012-08-22 01:31:42 PM
Goddamn the Yellow album on their new "Yellow and Green" release is good.
 
2012-08-22 01:37:42 PM

CliChe Guevara: Choo-Choo Bear: Orwell worked for the BBC's Eastern Service from 1941 to 1943, producing broadcasts to India designed to counter Nazi propaganda.

What, you mean he actually had a semi-biographical context for Winston Smiths character? What is so odd about that?


Nah, I was referring to independent-minded broadcaster vs. broadcasts designed to counter Nazi propaganda. Sounds more like he was working in conjunction with the government.

/Not there's anything wrong with that...
 
2012-08-22 01:44:26 PM
The byzantine oligarchical collectivist irrational police state spreads its drape of darkness across the world. As a cabal of banking criminals, new world order elites and crazed technophiles work to end freedom as we know it, we can only stare in disbelief as free life on earth is being deconstructed.
 
2012-08-22 01:47:20 PM

BalugaJoe: Counter_Intelligent: But how do Tomax and Xamot feel?

I'm still mad they were left out of the movie. I refuse to watch it.


of all the things conceivably wrong with that movie, that's your reason for not watching it?

actually the movie isn't all that bad. i was expecting it to be ten times worse.
 
2012-08-22 02:30:39 PM

Bad_Seed: Valiente: I suppose the measure that you might be actually writing truthfully would be when you are a patron saint of both the right and the left wings.

Well done, Eric. All the right people hate and misunderstand you.

Orwell is a patron saint of the right?

Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.

Why would they want him as their patron saint?


Because after seeing the hash of the Spanish Civil War and learning about Stalin's antics and habits involving drowning the Nazis in good Russian blood, he drifted well off the party message with 1984 and Animal Farm, both arguably strong critiques of socialist tyrannies. The "democratic socialism" he understood did not exist in his lifetime, but might resemble today's Canada or one of the Scandinavian democracies. Pretty watered down compared to Communism, which was neither democratic nor particularly socialist, except in name.

covers.openlibrary.org

A good, enlightening read for people who tend left or right. It notes how Orwell evolved as a thinker.
 
2012-08-22 02:37:48 PM

Bad_Seed: Valiente: I suppose the measure that you might be actually writing truthfully would be when you are a patron saint of both the right and the left wings.

Well done, Eric. All the right people hate and misunderstand you.

Orwell is a patron saint of the right?

Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.

Why would they want him as their patron saint?


Orwell has been used as the patron saint of both sides when it's convenient. I found a book in the university library from the 70's written by leftist intellectuals who basically said Orwell was irrelevant and overhyped.

The reason I consider Orwell to be intellectually honest is because even though he had strong beliefs, he was willing to modify them based on reality. When he went to Spain to fight fascists, he didn't really know the differences between the communist (backed by Stalin) and socialist factions and simply signed up with whomever would take him. Once in that environment, he discovered that contrary to propaganda, the communists were acting as a reactionary force who eventually purged the socialists (and almost killed Orwell in the process). It was that incident that pushed him towards an anti-authoritarian brand of socialism. This infuriated the left, particularly during the war when he routinely called out pacifists and leftist intellectuals who sympathized with the Soviet Union. When he died, neither side particularly liked him, but all were more than happy to lionize him to advance their own agendas.
 
2012-08-22 02:39:14 PM
Britain is worries that an large enough George Orwell statue might create a tiny blind spot in their public surveillance network.
 
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