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(Yahoo)   Under "What made you decide to join the military?" do not check the box stating "to train my neo-nazi bretheren for the racial holy war"   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2012-08-21 05:58:50 PM  
Don't ask, don't heil?
 
2012-08-21 05:58:53 PM  
"To play slap and tickle in the showers with other sweaty guys FIGHT AND DIE FOR MY COUNTRY SIR!!!"
 
2012-08-21 06:00:30 PM  
It's obviously common enough if there is a box dedicated to it.

/amirite?
 
2012-08-21 06:11:29 PM  
So the small government, states rights bigots join the largest socialistic government run organization to learn to share, take commands and uphold the constitution all in an effort to overthrow the government?
 
2012-08-21 06:32:27 PM  
I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,KILL, KILL.
 
2012-08-21 06:59:03 PM  
You're our boy.
 
2012-08-21 07:01:22 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,KILL, KILL.


When can you start?
 
2012-08-21 07:05:53 PM  

gopher321: "To play slap and tickle in the showers with other sweaty guys FIGHT AND DIE FOR MY COUNTRY SIR!!!"


Def saw more balls in basic than in my entire life combined outside of that place.

Nadie_AZ: So the small government, states rights bigots join the largest socialistic government run organization to learn to share, take commands and uphold the constitution all in an effort to overthrow the government?


Funny how that never comes up. "The Pentagon is the world's largest centrally planned economy," my Comparative Econ prof was fond of saying.
 
2012-08-21 07:20:29 PM  
I'd rather they did check that box. Makes it much easier to spot them.
 
2012-08-21 07:56:17 PM  
Well wait why is this the choice if this is not something upon which they would desire you to check? It is the likelihood that if this was the tricking question then the test would be administered by General Loki Johnson who would do the tricking of others to select this option. However I would argue that this person should not have the trouble due to the technicality upon which I do not predict the next holy war for at least 300 years because the leading scholars on the issue of this have made the suggestion that without the chicken pie on the year of the Dragon would not the war be designed and for this reason I believe that this individual was doing the trolling. Inappropriate? Perhaps and I believe this individual should have the public shaming of he by being on the Fark.com website LAUGHTER OL OH WAIT THIS HAS HAPPENED! But really can the military be the picky organization currently with the upcoming invasion of Madagascar? Oh you have not heard of this? Well you will the friends of me. You will.
 
2012-08-21 08:09:12 PM  
Identify them at recruitment. Put them into special units. Indoctrinate them and turn them from their nazi views. Why turn them away if they're agreeing to give their lives to you for three years? Send em all to antarctica.
 
2012-08-21 08:11:33 PM  
Meow: You are awesome. As I sit here on hold with microsoft getting angry with them I read your post and made things better.
 
2012-08-21 08:11:38 PM  
A) For the insurance / GI BILL
B) For the plane ticket out of this shiathole town
C) For the skills to one day lead an armed insurrection against the US.
D) I'm running from the law or don't know what I want to be when I grow up but my dad says that military training will get me a job in almost any field and I'm tired of hearing him go on and on about starting school or finding a job, I mean, damn just give me a chance to breathe man, but okay, I'll sign so long as you promise I'll get stationed at one of those cool bases by the beach and that my job never requires going to war.
 
2012-08-21 08:11:39 PM  
Actually DO click that box. It's good to know where these fruit loops are.
 
2012-08-21 08:12:05 PM  
We certainly wouldn't want any small-minded racists in the military, would we? How on Earth would they handle such a thing?
 
2012-08-21 08:12:37 PM  

Dixie_Wrecked: Meow: You are awesome. As I sit here on hold with microsoft getting angry with them I read your post and made things better.


Oh you are welcome for this. If they give to you the trouble say to them that you know this guy in the linked article and are not afraid to use this.
 
2012-08-21 08:12:53 PM  
No man, I really like adventure and making less than minimum wage.
 
2012-08-21 08:12:57 PM  
Look for the swastika and 14CV88 tattoos.
 
2012-08-21 08:12:58 PM  

halB: Identify them at recruitment. Put them into special units. Indoctrinate them and turn them from their nazi views. Why turn them away if they're agreeing to give their lives to you for three years? Send em all to antarctica.


They would just kill the penguins for being half white/black.

"Race traitors!"
 
2012-08-21 08:14:43 PM  
Surely if gays can serve their country with honor and dignity, so can racists.
 
2012-08-21 08:15:57 PM  
Somebodies got to clear minefields...
 
2012-08-21 08:16:03 PM  
Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.
 
2012-08-21 08:16:35 PM  
Most people join the military because in our current economy it's the best financial choice.
 
2012-08-21 08:16:43 PM  

halB: Identify them at recruitment. Put them into special units. Indoctrinate them and turn them from their nazi views. Why turn them away if they're agreeing to give their lives to you for three years? Send em all to antarctica.


You want to group all the neo nazis together and send them to the whitest place on earth? How is that going to re-indoctrinate them?

/ship'em off to frozen hell anyway.
 
2012-08-21 08:17:06 PM  
I love how the Yahoo comments on the article are all about how bad blacks and liberals are
 
2012-08-21 08:17:32 PM  

pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.


This.
 
2012-08-21 08:18:34 PM  
"We don't really think this is a huge problem, at Bragg, and across the Army," said Colonel Kevin Arata, a spokesman for Fort Bragg.

"In my 26 years in the Army, I've never seen it," the former company commander said.


It's because you've never been looking for it, Colonel.
 
2012-08-21 08:19:11 PM  

Dixie_Wrecked: Meow: You are awesome. As I sit here on hold with microsoft getting angry with them I read your post and made things better.


Yeah, his schtick was pretty funny the first 300 times, wasn't it?
 
2012-08-21 08:19:15 PM  
Fit them with explosive collars and send them into downtown Faluja.
 
2012-08-21 08:19:30 PM  
Wait a minute, haven't the more established gangs been doing this exact thing since forever ago?

Or is it because these are white supremacist types, so now it's suddenly a problem?
 
2012-08-21 08:20:19 PM  
1488 reasons you are retarded.
 
2012-08-21 08:21:38 PM  

marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.


This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.
 
2012-08-21 08:22:29 PM  
lol... I remember when I was preparing to go to the recruiters office, i was having trouble deciding how to answer that question. The real reasons I wanted to enlist were

A) Financial security... I really liked the idea of never having to worry about a roof over my head or food in my stomach.
B) I was an angry young man who wanted to fark shiat up / test myself The Most Dangerous Game style.
C) I was never really a confrontational person, and I wanted the training to hold my own. Being able to kill people can be a valuable skillset. Once you've been through combat... wtf else in life would you ever be afraid of?

I think I ended up mumbling something about serving my country and that I felt a sense of duty. I think i mentioned 9/11 too, even though I knew it had absolutely nothing to do with our actual military actions.
 
2012-08-21 08:23:05 PM  

the box stating "to train my neo-nazi bretheren for the racial holy war"


This is what happens when forms are designed by committee.
 
2012-08-21 08:26:13 PM  

rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.


Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?
 
2012-08-21 08:28:55 PM  
3sidednickel.com
1st Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Sangin district, Afghanistan 2010.
 
2012-08-21 08:29:45 PM  

marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?


My highly promising and extremely intelligent nephew does not like to read and hates to study. He wants to enlist because he can have a promising career in the military without taking the college track his brothers are doing. He does NOT want to go to college, and he doesn't want to be a semi-skilled laborer like his dad.

We're encouraging him to do so, although we haven't told him about all the reading he'll have to do once they've got him.
 
2012-08-21 08:31:15 PM  
Tattoo Decision Support Matrix

This sums up everything I adored about the Army.
 
2012-08-21 08:31:51 PM  
So ya, thought ya, might like tooo -- go to the war??
 
2012-08-21 08:32:22 PM  

MorePeasPlease: Wait a minute, haven't the more established gangs been doing this exact thing since forever ago?

Or is it because these are white supremacist types, so now it's suddenly a problem?


The racists have been doing this forever ago as well and the article does mention the gang problem as well.
 
Biv
2012-08-21 08:32:54 PM  

marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?


I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.
 
2012-08-21 08:35:35 PM  

Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.


Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!
 
2012-08-21 08:36:42 PM  
was that wrong? should i not have done that?
 
2012-08-21 08:37:41 PM  

marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!


Well that is kind of how a military works, yes.
A lot of other things go on in there too, to be fair.
 
2012-08-21 08:38:01 PM  

marius2: Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?


Even if you aren't poor, someone else footing the bill for college is a great way to make sure your education doesn't _make_ you poor.
 
2012-08-21 08:38:03 PM  
Having had once worked for a tattoo shop in NC, we had this one girl come in and want an Iron Cross with a ying yang symbol in the middle.

Yet, we also had a girl who was in the Kappa Kappa Kappa sorority, a primarily african american sorority... she wanted the initials in large block letters on her ankle.

Neither one of them got those. From our shop, at least.
 
Biv
2012-08-21 08:38:19 PM  

marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!


You are a disgusting human being.
 
2012-08-21 08:39:09 PM  

Jim_Callahan: marius2: Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

Even if you aren't poor, someone else footing the bill for college is a great way to make sure your education doesn't _make_ you poor.


You got me there. I've always understood why people go into the military in order to pay for their education.
 
2012-08-21 08:40:02 PM  

Biv: marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!

You are a disgusting human being.


Why's that?
 
2012-08-21 08:41:40 PM  

marius2: Jim_Callahan: marius2: Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

Even if you aren't poor, someone else footing the bill for college is a great way to make sure your education doesn't _make_ you poor.

You got me there. I've always understood why people go into the military in order to pay for their education.


My dad did. It was either that or work on a dairy farm.

He became a doctor instead. Then again, he was enlisted in 1950s post-war Germany. Enlist today and you're likely to go straight to the Suck.
 
2012-08-21 08:42:09 PM  

Biv: marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!

You are a disgusting human being.


You do not seem as though you are the individual who views the issues from one side and then also from the other side.
 
2012-08-21 08:42:24 PM  
Wouldn't recruiting skinheads and racists interfere with the republican agenda of the US Military; namely, building an army of holy warriors to battle for Jerusalem and kick-start Armageddon?
 
2012-08-21 08:42:39 PM  

marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.


lots join for other reason, but good to know that you're a tard. lots join because it's the only way out of a shiathole town/situation, what's the problem with that?
 
2012-08-21 08:42:44 PM  

nytmare: Dixie_Wrecked: Meow: You are awesome. As I sit here on hold with microsoft getting angry with them I read your post and made things better.

Yeah, his schtick was pretty funny the first 300 times, wasn't it?


After 300 times you should realize that Meow is a she.

/big Meow fan.
 
2012-08-21 08:43:29 PM  

marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!


For someone

marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!


You would think that someone studying history, even if it's just ancient history, would be familiar with the concept of people desiring to serve a cause greater than themselves. Guess not. Another wasted education.
 
2012-08-21 08:45:19 PM  
Balances out the minority gang members that joined in order to receive military training. Which was all the press hoopla a couple of years ago.
 
2012-08-21 08:46:07 PM  
I honestly love the military hate on this thread, why people?

It doesn't have the greatest pay available but for a young person with a limited skill-set out of high school and a family that doesn't want to mortgage their futures for college it makes a lot of financial sense, it provides a fairly nice standard of living for a person, 14,000+ of spending money is significant and it is all basically spending money as basic needs are met.

I would think that race hate motivations are rather slender as well, in my time in the military there were a few people who were somewhat racist but for the most part you will be in constant contact with a mixed race group, that tends to have a larger than base population % of motivated and skilled minorities.

I'm not saying that a few aren't suggested to join by their hate organizations to pick-up and disseminate war-fare weapons and tactics skills but for the most part there really can't be huge numbers of truly dedicated racists in the military due to current minority population in the military. Your intolerance would be rapidly noticed and acted upon unless you were a very good actor.
 
2012-08-21 08:47:21 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: Balances out the minority gang members that joined in order to receive military training. Which was all the press hoopla a couple of years ago.


to be fair both are potential problems...
 
2012-08-21 08:48:33 PM  

pxlboy: marius2: Jim_Callahan: marius2: Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

Even if you aren't poor, someone else footing the bill for college is a great way to make sure your education doesn't _make_ you poor.

You got me there. I've always understood why people go into the military in order to pay for their education.

My dad did. It was either that or work on a dairy farm.

He became a doctor instead. Then again, he was enlisted in 1950s post-war Germany. Enlist today and you're likely to go straight to the Suck.


Blah blah blah. I can just take out student loans for college. Obama will make mah payments.

/GI Bill is a phenomenal deal
 
2012-08-21 08:49:50 PM  

marius2: Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"


Believe me, it's not chock full of rocket scientists (well, except for DARPA, MI, SIGINT, ect), I definitely saw fellas wash out of the ASVAP for not being able to count to potato.

marius2: Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?


I did. I'm a lawyer with degrees from a public Ivy university. We exist, trust me. And I know lots of people, male and female, just like me. You just have to understand that it's a big, big world out there and lots of different types of people coexist in it.
 
Biv
2012-08-21 08:51:28 PM  

rickycal78: marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!

For someone marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!

You would think that someone studying history, even if it's just ancient history, would be familiar with the concept of people desiring to serve a cause greater than themselves. Guess not. Another wasted education.


You said it better than I would have.

I would have just called them more names.

I hope they realize those people who "sign up to kill" are the only reason they have the right to criticize their betters.
 
2012-08-21 08:51:46 PM  
 
2012-08-21 08:52:29 PM  

meow said the dog: Biv: marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!

You are a disgusting human being.

You do not seem as though you are the individual who views the issues from one side and then also from the other side.


Plus, that type of treatment to veterans is common and helps perpetuate PTSD in many.

/grandpa was in the Normandy Push
//cousin is a medic in the marine corps
///other cousin is a lieutenant colonel in the airforce
////and many other friends and family too.
 
2012-08-21 08:52:57 PM  
Under "What made you decide to join the military?" do not check the box stating "to train my neo-nazi bretheren for the racial holy war

Why have that box there at all then? It seems kind of silly to me.
 
2012-08-21 08:53:00 PM  
In the Core there was no white, black, brown; just light green and dark green.

Seriously though I never really encountered real hate within the military. Plenty of jokes and horseplay and even a bunch of people with stupid stereotypes (Texans do make up the largest contribution of recruits to the Marines) but not real hate. There was probably a random asshole or two here or there like there is in life as a whole but I didn't see any sort of pattern of white power types trying to prepare for whatever coming racist fantasy war the article referenced. Maybe that's why there weren't any numbers or percentages in that article, they managed to find three examples and expand it into a full submission by deadline.

Contempt for you disgusting civilians though, that I can verify. ;-)

/bright and talented yet decided to serve
//I don't expect everyone here to understand that
 
2012-08-21 08:53:07 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: Balances out the minority gang members that joined in order to receive military training. Which was all the press hoopla a couple of years ago.


Not really. White supremacists and minority criminal gangs are not opposing forces.
Hence, they do not "balance" each other.
 
2012-08-21 08:56:08 PM  
Who wouldn't want a free education?
 
2012-08-21 08:56:21 PM  

jso2897: Red Shirt Blues: Balances out the minority gang members that joined in order to receive military training. Which was all the press hoopla a couple of years ago.

Not really. White supremacists and minority criminal gangs are not opposing forces.
Hence, they do not "balance" each other.


True, the gangs kill more minorities then the neo-nazis can ever hope to.
 
2012-08-21 08:58:34 PM  
No surprise here. This is what happens when any multi- racial empire is in its decline; the various ethnic groups toughen up for the final fight over the spoils. The Hispanic gangs have also been infiltrating the US military for training purposes. Sadly, for all the white- supremacist talk over "rahowa", some sort of mass conflict is inevitable over the next few decades and it will be anything but holy.

That being said, it's pretty funny to see the SPLC cited yet again as some kind of serious authority on what consitutes "hate" -- these are the same people who've identified Christians with traditional views on homosexuality (i.e., the same views shared by 99% of the world's people throughout history) and internet "pick- up artist" bloggers as threats to America, while refusing to consider left- wing and Islamic jihadist groups under the same rubric. They have no credibility and do exactly nothing of consequence other than raise ever more money for their founders to spend on themselves; ultimately they are really no more than a kind of Witchfinder- General for cultural Marxists.
 
2012-08-21 08:59:14 PM  
RELIGION OF PEACE
 
2012-08-21 09:01:48 PM  
The US military is just another welfare program - handouts to dumbasses who did zero planning for life, and at 18 showed up with their hands out to a recruiter. Like weaver95 with the air force - zero skill, zero plans, a total sunk cost on a dumbass. Whine, complain, contribute *zero* - a typical liberal dumbass getting a check for nothing. The US military - attracting the usual non-contributors and dumbasses - at taxpayer expense.
 
2012-08-21 09:02:03 PM  
bie lets go shiat terrorist tase
and clothes for the beath

they have to pet
 
2012-08-21 09:04:39 PM  
Oh, and "right wing extremist" is not a synonym for racist (article seemed to use them interchangeably). Both are nutty but the fat guy running around the woods in cammies preparing to go to war against the tri-lateral commission doesn't necessarily hate brown people.
 
2012-08-21 09:05:03 PM  

marius2: Why's that?


The U.S. military is pretty much solely responsible for maintaining the present world order; it ensures that America and its allies have access to a disproportionate share of vital natural resources, thus maintaining a high standard of living. In addition, the threat of military force acts as a deterrent to otherwise belligerent nations, ensuring that there are fewer and less brutal wars. Of course, every few years we tend to murder thousands of unfortunate Third World citizens, because our politicians are invariably stupid, evil, or both, but overall the world is a much better place with the United States military than it would be without. Assuming you live in the Western world you personally benefit enormously from the military, but you insult its members. That's why you are a piece of shiat.
 
2012-08-21 09:05:46 PM  
I did it to pickup chicks... they're still suckers for uniforms and guns
 
2012-08-21 09:05:59 PM  

All_Farked_Up: jso2897: Red Shirt Blues: Balances out the minority gang members that joined in order to receive military training. Which was all the press hoopla a couple of years ago.

Not really. White supremacists and minority criminal gangs are not opposing forces.
Hence, they do not "balance" each other.

True, the gangs kill more minorities then the neo-nazis can ever hope to.


Anyway, their agendas don't even intersect, let alone conflict. One group has a political, social, and cultural agenda - the other gives not a shiat about any of that, and desires money, power, and "territory".
 
2012-08-21 09:06:16 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Surely if gays can serve their country with honor and dignity, so can racists.


Well done that man!

And as a bonus for their service they just may grow and learn a thing or two.
 
2012-08-21 09:06:27 PM  
Just wanna kill brown people sir!
 
2012-08-21 09:06:31 PM  

crazytrain: The US military is just another welfare program - handouts to dumbasses who did zero planning for life, and at 18 showed up with their hands out to a recruiter. Like weaver95 with the air force - zero skill, zero plans, a total sunk cost on a dumbass. Whine, complain, contribute *zero* - a typical liberal dumbass getting a check for nothing. The US military - attracting the usual non-contributors and dumbasses - at taxpayer expense.


You're thinking of the National Guard, the rest of us have a real job to do.

/I'll see your troll and raise you a bigger troll
 
2012-08-21 09:07:38 PM  
Wade Michael Page, 40, is seen ...

Is seen what? Don't leave me hanging!
 
2012-08-21 09:07:46 PM  
It doesn't have the greatest pay available but for a young person with a limited skill-set out of high school and a family that doesn't want to mortgage their futures for college it makes a lot of financial sense, it provides a fairly nice standard of living for a person, 14,000+ of spending money is significant and it is all basically spending money as basic needs are met.

Nephew joined the Airforce. He's getting trained as a helicopter mechanic. His wife, who needs to have good medical coverage due to an organ transplant when she was 17, gets medical coverage. How much would this have cost him if he had to pay for the training and the insurance himself? What kind of job could he get just out of high school that would pay enough to support himself, his wife, her medical requirements and training for a real job? He's a good, bright kid, using the best option available to him. I'd guess when he gets out he'll have some good jobs available as I don't think the helicopter repair man market is too glutted.


Under "What made you decide to join the military?" do not check the box stating "to train my neo-nazi bretheren for the racial holy war
Why have that box there at all then? It seems kind of silly to me.


I find it amusing that people are calling people who enlist dumb while we have others in the same thread who actually think this is a box on the form.
 
2012-08-21 09:10:03 PM  
This is unfortunately common, and the neo-nazi's aren't the only ones doing it.

Around here, the larger fundie/dominionist churches have a recent tradition of raising their kids to join up to go learn skills for the coming "Christian Revolution" they will join back home.

Considering the go-to reading of my neighbors is the "Turner Diaries" as well as the "Left Behind" series, I am not really sure how much different their vision is from the supremacists vision of "RAHOWA", but they claim it is anyway.
(Probably only because they want a -theocratic- RAHOWA as opposed to a secular one, but whatever)
 
2012-08-21 09:15:10 PM  

Jimmy_James: Oh, and "right wing extremist" is not a synonym for racist (article seemed to use them interchangeably). Both are nutty but the fat guy running around the woods in cammies preparing to go to war against the tri-lateral commission doesn't necessarily hate brown people.


Nah, I think at this point anyone who doesn't buy into the whole platform of the left- liberal consensus is basically considered to be a dangerous extremist in certain quarters. Don't like abortion? Must want to kill abortionists and control women's bodies. Don't like homosexual marriage? Must condone gay- bashing and be secretly gay yourself. Don't like runaway deficit spending to fund social programs? Must hate the poor (or the old, or minorities, or women, or whoever). Don't like Obama? Must be a racist who thinks the president is a Kenyan Muslim. This is what our political discourse has been reduced to: demanding a rigid conformity to the political orthodoxy prevalent among much of our political, academic, and media elites, and ruthlessly trying to suppress any sign of dissent through whatever means are at hand. Crying "hate", and pretending to discern the dark hearts of those on the Right through some kind of magical clairvoyance, is just the most popular of these stratagems.
 
2012-08-21 09:15:29 PM  
kisseswookies

cousin is a medic in the marine corps

You misspelled corpsman in the navy.
 
2012-08-21 09:23:51 PM  
They call it "rahowa" - short for racial holy war - and they are preparing for it by joining the ranks of the world's fiercest fighting machine, the U.S. military.

Wouldn't that be the Israeli army?
 
2012-08-21 09:24:02 PM  
This is no different than La Raza
 
2012-08-21 09:26:32 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: kisseswookies

cousin is a medic in the marine corps

You misspelled corpsman in the navy.


And you misspelled Navy.
 
2012-08-21 09:27:26 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Crying "hate", and pretending to discern the dark hearts of those


Isn't that sort of, um, what you're doing in your very post?
 
2012-08-21 09:29:36 PM  

Meatybrain: Wouldn't that be the Israeli army?


By definition, the US military includes the US Army, US Marines, US Navy, US Air force and the US Coast Guard.

That's a bit bigger than the Israeli Army.
 
2012-08-21 09:30:49 PM  

Gyrfalcon: My highly promising and extremely intelligent nephew does not like to read and hates to study. He wants to enlist because he can have a promising career in the military without taking the college track his brothers are doing. He does NOT want to go to college, and he doesn't want to be a semi-skilled laborer like his dad.

We're encouraging him to do so, although we haven't told him about all the reading he'll have to do once they've got him.


Don't worry, he'll stall out at Specialist, and either voluntarily leave once his "peers" are making nearly twice his pay, or get HYT and hold a grudge against the military for the rest of his life because they "screwed him over". Be ready for some irate discussions at family gatherings.
 
2012-08-21 09:31:54 PM  
Captain_Ballbeard

Pas de touché. It was their convention.
 
2012-08-21 09:35:01 PM  

Nadie_AZ: So the small government, states rights bigots join the largest socialistic government run organization to learn to share, take commands and uphold the constitution all in an effort to overthrow the government?


In my early 20's I was acquanted with members of the Patriot Movement, which are typically linked to these groups. There were a surprising number of people I met who had taken the attitude of pretending to work for "the system" to "infiltrate" the military, police, and government jobs.

Much like how I had earned their trust by playing along with the conspiracies, the distrust of laws, the bizarre parts of their beliefs (gold fringed flags, 9/11 being a massive conspiracy, government support of sports at the NCAA and professional levels being a manipulation to distract from "real" issues, etc).

This doesn't seem very different. I wanted to learn about the militia movement, so I played their game. The militia movement learning from the military to learn their techniques just leads me to believe they've read The Art of War.
 
2012-08-21 09:35:12 PM  

Wittenberg Dropout: Fit them with explosive collars and send them into downtown Faluja.


We have no combat presence in Iraq anymore. Our SOFA is strictly for security for the few outposts we have in Iraq. Your suggestion would involve invading a sovereign country and killing its citizens for no justifiable reason. Which would be a war crime. You wouldn't go around suggesting we commit war crimes, now, would you?
 
2012-08-21 09:36:15 PM  
Just ignore all the members of the black LA street gangs, MS13, etc, and focus on the whites. because the truth is racist.
 
2012-08-21 09:37:04 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: marius2: Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Believe me, it's not chock full of rocket scientists (well, except for DARPA, MI, SIGINT, ect), I definitely saw fellas wash out of the ASVAP for not being able to count to potato.

marius2: Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I did. I'm a lawyer with degrees from a public Ivy university. We exist, trust me. And I know lots of people, male and female, just like me. You just have to understand that it's a big, big world out there and lots of different types of people coexist in it.


Yeah, but you commissioned as an officer, right? Big difference. Then again, if you enlisted after already having a JD (or any four year degree), that would be rather highly unusual.
 
2012-08-21 09:38:27 PM  
Nadie_AZ:

So the small government, states rights bigots

Most neo-Nazis don't fit that description, and not all white racialists are Nazified. For example, many neo-Confederates ("states rights bigots") are horrified by Nazism and/or regard their international allegiance as treason, as in "my father didn't fight the Nazis to see them take over here."


join the largest socialistic government run organization

I'm not aware that many white racialists consider the military as socialist, but I do know a lot of them think it's too pro-Israel at least ("ZOG").

Again, you're lumping too many disparate enemies together, reducing opposition to them as caricatures much like the caricature you draw of them.


to learn to share, take commands

And, among other things, learn to handle rifles and other infantry weapons that will be useful in the house-to-house fighting of the RaHoWa. Remember, most American people live in metropolitan areas where it's illegal to fire a gun in your own basement, and there aren't enough target ranges to go around: this is one big reason why so many gang-bangings injure or kill more bystanders than anything else.

Also, it helps to know how to work as part of an armed group, as opposed to a being a "lone nut gone berzerk." All the Wade Pages under the sun won't overthrow "ZOG" by individual massacres.

Incidentally, as long as the only armed and active white racialist opposition consists of "lone nuts" who go around shooting people until they go down in a blaze of glory the "ZOG" is safe. Even if you get the Big One you'll only change figureheads: it wasn't assassinating the Tsar that worked, it was a military mutiny coupled with lots of civilian politicking.


and uphold the constitution all in an effort to overthrow the government?

Most religions have a doctrine of "internal reservation," as in "beg forgiveness of Allah in your head but act like you love the pork they force you to eat." Or as in "oaths to powers you consider illegitimate aren't really real oaths at all." It's also known as "crossing one's fingers behind one's back."

Besides, like I said, most successful "revolutions" of the 19th and 20th centuries were actually military mutinies or "internal" coups. The rise of Bashir Al-Assad's daddy and his cronies and relatives is a case in point.

What do you think would happen to any uprising that the predominant force in the military was dead set against?

So I can't help jumping to the conclusion that you're very young and that this subject is new to you. Even despite your 38 approved links, whatever they were. Please have patience with yourself, and remember the Internet can also be used to learn what you're talking about.
 
2012-08-21 09:39:19 PM  
a big part of the america freedom thing is getting to have your own opinions. so if you are proud of this or that or hate this or that i say good for you. you know what you like (or don't like) and you are being honest about it.

i celebrate that in america we are free to love or hate this or that, and to talk about it amongst ourselves. not all citizens under all governments get to enjoy what we have. i'm thankful that accident of birth landed me in the land of milk and honey. life is sweet here and i love it.

it may sound odd but IMHO we are better off with all the different types and groups we have. if i woke up tomorrow and everyone was pretty much all the same from a cookie cutter mold well life would be pretty damn boring.

meanwhile i'm glad we have all sorts of people from everywhere in the world here in america. i don't have to agree with them. i don't have to like them, what they say or what they stand for. still i'm glad that there is room for everybody, and i'm happy we are free to biatch and moan about this stuff. beware of the day when these freedoms are gone.
 
2012-08-21 09:41:22 PM  

fnottr: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: marius2: Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Believe me, it's not chock full of rocket scientists (well, except for DARPA, MI, SIGINT, ect), I definitely saw fellas wash out of the ASVAP for not being able to count to potato.

marius2: Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I did. I'm a lawyer with degrees from a public Ivy university. We exist, trust me. And I know lots of people, male and female, just like me. You just have to understand that it's a big, big world out there and lots of different types of people coexist in it.

Yeah, but you commissioned as an officer, right? Big difference. Then again, if you enlisted after already having a JD (or any four year degree), that would be rather highly unusual.


Or he could have been enlisted then went to college and law school using money saved while in the military and the GI Bill. You act as if the people who enlist are worthless dirtbags who will do nothing after they get out of the military and learned nothing from their experience.
 
2012-08-21 09:41:37 PM  

Felgraf: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Crying "hate", and pretending to discern the dark hearts of those

Isn't that sort of, um, what you're doing in your very post?


Do you dispute that there are people are claiming to be able to discern "hate" in many different kinds of statements and activities? (I don't think those on the Left would deny this; if anything, they would be proud of it). More to the point, do you dispute that there are people who claim to be able to discern ignoble motives in many apparently innocuous kinds of political expression (i.e., because the latter are "coded", "dog-whistles", "historically" suspect, etc.)? Remember, we live in the kind of society where the most fantastic and flimsy reasons can be concocted for accusing someone of "racism", a charge that can destroy someone's career and/or livelihood -- and which is a charge that, like that of "witchcraft" centuries ago, cannot even be denied by the accused without thereby compounding his guilt. (After all, isn't anyone who says "I am not a racist" automatically deemed to be a racist by the very act of saying so)?

I don't claim to be able to look into anyone's hearts. I don't need to, because the words and actions of most people tell me all I need to know. It's only those who are desperately hunting for grievances who pretend to be able to read the minds of others, because they are making it up as they go along.
 
2012-08-21 09:42:17 PM  
RACE WAR! Whites won again!

/Cartman
 
2012-08-21 09:45:01 PM  

Biv: I hope they realize those people who "sign up to kill" are the only reason they have the right to criticize their betters.


profile.ak.fbcdn.net
I don't believe that you have to be retarded or bloodthirsty to join the military, but come on dude
 
2012-08-21 09:46:42 PM  
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2012-08-21 09:50:02 PM  

Jimmy_James: Oh, and "right wing extremist" is not a synonym for racist (article seemed to use them interchangeably). Both are nutty but the fat guy running around the woods in cammies preparing to go to war against the tri-lateral commission doesn't necessarily hate brown people.


You're correct that not every nut who is a right wing extremist is also a racist, but there is a huge overlap between the racist typr militia members and the conspiracy type militia members. In my experience that doesn't seem to be a sticking point for many.
 
2012-08-21 09:50:12 PM  

Jimmy_James: In the Core there was no white, black, brown; just light green and dark green.


So we're just ignoring the fact that Jimmy_James' wife apparently got her hands on the keyboard?
Also, did 6 years in the Air Force (Go ahead and laugh, I made it to Staff Sergeant on my first test cycle) and the military is basically a cross-section of the U.S. as a whole. Knew a fair number of upstanding people, and knew at least as many scumbags. I could tell stories of a few people I was in tech training with, but they'd probably just bore you.
 
2012-08-21 09:50:22 PM  
So he is applying for a chaplaincy position?
 
2012-08-21 09:52:21 PM  

halB: Identify them at recruitment. Put them into special units. Indoctrinate them and turn them from their nazi views. Why turn them away if they're agreeing to give their lives to you for three years? Send em all to antarctica.


Wait -- you want to send violent, armed racists to a continent filled with peaceful, half-black birds? 

/that were probably hatched in Kenya.
 
2012-08-21 09:53:27 PM  
That is classic if my boy is ever drafted I'm filling out the paperwork and putting that!
 
2012-08-21 09:54:03 PM  

zzrhardy: halB: Identify them at recruitment. Put them into special units. Indoctrinate them and turn them from their nazi views. Why turn them away if they're agreeing to give their lives to you for three years? Send em all to antarctica.

They would just kill the penguins for being half white/black.

"Race traitors!"


Ha, good to see you already had that angle covered.
 
2012-08-21 09:55:36 PM  

A Fark Handle: Red Shirt Blues: Balances out the minority gang members that joined in order to receive military training. Which was all the press hoopla a couple of years ago.

to be fair both are potential problems...


Put both groups in the same unit, perhaps in Greenland.
 
2012-08-21 09:55:49 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,KILL, KILL.


Son, you're our boy.
 
2012-08-21 09:56:45 PM  
(After all, isn't anyone who says "I am not a racist" automatically deemed to be a racist by the very act of saying so)?

It isn't the "I'm not a racist" that does it. It is the "BUT..." that follows that does. Someone on FARK actually said "I'm not racist, but I think that almost 100% of people of a certain race are evil"
Yes, I told them they WERE indeed racist, and I really don't think it affected their career at all.
 
2012-08-21 09:57:08 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-21 09:57:46 PM  

Arumat: Jimmy_James: In the Core there was no white, black, brown; just light green and dark green.

So we're just ignoring the fact that Jimmy_James' wife apparently got her hands on the keyboard?
Also, did 6 years in the Air Force (Go ahead and laugh, I made it to Staff Sergeant on my first test cycle) and the military is basically a cross-section of the U.S. as a whole. Knew a fair number of upstanding people, and knew at least as many scumbags. I could tell stories of a few people I was in tech training with, but they'd probably just bore you.


Yeah, but you can count to potato and get promoted to E-5 in the Chair Force.

I will agree that the military is a cross section of the US. Knew lots of dirtbags, and a few decent folks.

/I keed about the Chair Force comment, obviously.
 
2012-08-21 09:59:41 PM  
The military also has this problem with gang and drug cartel members, off-the-grid militia types, and Left Behind apocalypse Christians.

Turns out when you run an operation that trains people to kill, you get recruits who want to kill.
 
2012-08-21 10:09:50 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The military also has this problem with gang and drug cartel members, off-the-grid militia types, and Left Behind apocalypse Christians.


This amuses me.
It's kind of like the "9 out of 10 militia members are FBI agents" joke, I'm just picturing the US military being made up of almost entirely subversive elements and when the shiat hits the fan they learn that all of their training was useless because every rival group they have to face used the same idea they did.
 
2012-08-21 10:18:58 PM  

m2313: It's kind of like the "9 out of 10 militia members are FBI agents" joke, I'm just picturing the US military being made up of almost entirely subversive elements and when the shiat hits the fan they learn that all of their training was useless because every rival group they have to face used the same idea they did.


Yeah, the idea has some serious flaws if you don't intend to just randomly shoot up a coffee shop or something.
 
2012-08-21 10:19:41 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Actually DO click that box. It's good to know where these fruit loops are.


I've always wondered how much they use to profile the personnel (for future use). When I was in basic training we had to fill out a chart with general questions. I only remember one of the questions but it stuck out... "What is your greatest fear?" I always wondered what it was for. To torment me if they need to get something out of me? I wrote down Spiders. Little do they know, I will kill all spiders that they decided to throw at me. muahahaha.

/In the military I had to go see 2 psychs. I tried to get the records when I was discharged but apparently the records "don't exist".
 
2012-08-21 10:22:22 PM  

fnottr: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: marius2: Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Believe me, it's not chock full of rocket scientists (well, except for DARPA, MI, SIGINT, ect), I definitely saw fellas wash out of the ASVAP for not being able to count to potato.

marius2: Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I did. I'm a lawyer with degrees from a public Ivy university. We exist, trust me. And I know lots of people, male and female, just like me. You just have to understand that it's a big, big world out there and lots of different types of people coexist in it.

Yeah, but you commissioned as an officer, right? Big difference. Then again, if you enlisted after already having a JD (or any four year degree), that would be rather highly unusual.


No I enlisted when I was 19... I dropped out of college for a couple of years. But I pretty much knew where I was going at that point... and I had to earn trust from the other guys in my unit that I was somebody who had their back in a fight. I went from a public ivy in May to bunking with a guy in August who was ordered to enlist by a judge, or else he'd go to jail for felony aggravated battery (with a baseball bat, if you need to know). Took a little while to adjust, but there were a variety of stories.
 
2012-08-21 10:23:36 PM  
I want to spy on your country so Russia rises again--- Er, I mean, kill, maim, burn! Kill! Maim! Burn! Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne! And oil for the oil lords!
 
2012-08-21 10:25:20 PM  
pippi longstocking:

Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

Poor and crazy has nothing to do with the "radical right-wing." I myself am very poor and even crazier, but I'm an anarchist communist.

Oh and before y'all post something like "But 'anarchist communist' is a contradiction in terms!" please at least scan the Wikipedia article I just linked to. With the proper attitude even Fark can be an educational opportunity.

Anyway. Being poor and crazy (and living in KY), along with the fact that my skin lacks melanin and that my genetic profile shows no markers for anything but western European ancestry, has nothing to do with what's "in my heart." Indeed, my father's lineage is Celtic and my mother's is Nordic, both lines having been in this country since the 1700s, so racially speaking I'm as "white American" as it's possible to get. And once again I'm outing myself as a "race traitor": I love my white people so I oppose white racism. My uniform is what I say it is. So there!

All that said, I didn't join the Army because I've always been lazy, disorganized, pain-shunning and "not a team player," and I like it that way. Even in peace time, when the CIA was paying the Contras to do the Gummint's fighting instead, I just couldn't be bothered. Maybe if there'd been a gay recruit battalion to put me in, or better yet a coed pansexual brigade like they have in Israel...
 
2012-08-21 10:26:08 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,KILL, KILL.


(chorus)

If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends
etc, etc
 
2012-08-21 10:29:13 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Jimmy_James: Oh, and "right wing extremist" is not a synonym for racist (article seemed to use them interchangeably). Both are nutty but the fat guy running around the woods in cammies preparing to go to war against the tri-lateral commission doesn't necessarily hate brown people.

Nah, I think at this point anyone who doesn't buy into the whole platform of the left- liberal consensus is basically considered to be a dangerous extremist in certain quarters. Don't like abortion? Must want to kill abortionists and control women's bodies. Don't like homosexual marriage? Must condone gay- bashing and be secretly gay yourself. Don't like runaway deficit spending to fund social programs? Must hate the poor (or the old, or minorities, or women, or whoever). Don't like Obama? Must be a racist who thinks the president is a Kenyan Muslim. This is what our political discourse has been reduced to: demanding a rigid conformity to the political orthodoxy prevalent among much of our political, academic, and media elites, and ruthlessly trying to suppress any sign of dissent through whatever means are at hand. Crying "hate", and pretending to discern the dark hearts of those on the Right through some kind of magical clairvoyance, is just the most popular of these stratagems.

My Username
Please note, my username is meant to be ironic, i.e. taking the piss out of the moronic left-wingers who lacking any semblance of rational argument can only offer the same old tired insults. If you reply to my posts -- in your emasculated kazoo voice, and with your hipster pigeon chest huffing in righteous indignation -- by saying something like "I see your username is well chosen", then you've missed the point and, more importantly, you've clowned yourself, you brainless PC drone.

COOL
 
2012-08-21 10:29:49 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Poor and crazy has nothing to do with the "radical right-wing." I myself am very poor and even crazier, but I'm an anarchist communist.

Oh and before y'all post something like "But 'anarchist communist' is a contradiction in terms!" please at least scan the Wikipedia article I just linked to. With the proper attitude even Fark can be an educational opportunity.



classicfun.ws
Without adjectives, but probably half red/black, green/black (not primitivist though).
 
2012-08-21 10:32:00 PM  
Great_Milenko:

Wouldn't recruiting skinheads and racists interfere with the republican agenda of the US Military; namely, building an army of holy warriors to battle for Jerusalem and kick-start Armageddon?

It sounds like it would, but remember: "There's the right way, the wrong way, and the Army way!" I'm sure they'll think of something. Like, oh, "We'll seem to be allies of the Jews as long as they're useful, then we'll wipe them out too."

The only real promise a racist can make is to another racist of the same race. That's in the Bible somewhere, along with "That dog won't hunt."
 
2012-08-21 10:35:24 PM  

davidphogan: Jimmy_James:

Oh, and "right wing extremist" is not a synonym for racist (article seemed to use them interchangeably). Both are nutty but the fat guy running around the woods in cammies preparing to go to war against the tri-lateral commission doesn't necessarily hate brown people.

You're correct that not every nut who is a right wing extremist is also a racist, but there is a huge overlap between the racist typr militia members and the conspiracy type militia members. In my experience that doesn't seem to be a sticking point for many.


Congratulations, you've discovered stupidity.
 
2012-08-21 10:38:45 PM  

marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.


Or a teen male with enough testosterone to cause brain damage...

/There's a reason they recruit from high schools.
//Happens to girls, too, but we tend to end puberty more quickly.
 
2012-08-21 10:41:36 PM  

CygnusDarius: I want to spy on your country so Russia rises again--- Er, I mean, kill, maim, burn! Kill! Maim! Burn! Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne! And oil for the oil lords!


A few years ago I was stationed at Elmendorf AFB. The security was poor, not because of the AFB but because of Fort Richardson being attached to it. Any civilian could get through Fort Rich because when you drive up to their gate all you have to do is say that you are going to visit a friend and let you right through. Now you have free access to not only Fort Rich but the road that connects to Elmendorf since they were fenced in together. My squadron commander had a problem with this when he discovered this out from me, probably because we were an intel squadron.

/Now that the two have joined and formed JBER I wonder if the security measures have been fixed at all entrances.
 
2012-08-21 10:46:58 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: kisseswookies

cousin is a medic in the marine corps

You misspelled corpsman in the navy.


You are absolutely correct. That still doesn't negate my point, nor does it make my cousins job any less pertinent. He lost his roommate last week.
 
2012-08-21 10:47:16 PM  

Gyrfalcon: "We don't really think this is a huge problem, at Bragg, and across the Army," said Colonel Kevin Arata, a spokesman for Fort Bragg.

"In my 26 years in the Army, I've never seen it," the former company commander said.

It's because you've never been looking for it, Colonel.


White supremacists in the armed services are a threat to national security. Someone who views anyone outside the Master Race as subhuman might engage in wartime atrocities. The kind that enrage the local population and led to people taking shots at Collation soldiers.

The threat of domestic terrorism perpetrated by military trained white supremacists is something the DOD and law enforcement cannot ignore. Washing these idiots out before the taxpayers train them in weapon handling, assault tactics and explosives might prevent another Oklahoma City Bombing before it happens.
 
2012-08-21 10:47:31 PM  
As the only person posting that seems to have read the post, I found this shocking:

A member of the Hammerskin Nation, a skinhead group, he said he hung a swastika from his locker, taking it down only when his commander politely asked him to ahead of inspections by the commanding general.

WTF? I would have thought that showing the swastika would be grounds for a foot up your ass.
 
2012-08-21 10:50:23 PM  
 
2012-08-21 10:56:59 PM  

FrostyBarleyPop: You want to group all the neo nazis together and send them to the whitest place on earth? How is that going to re-indoctrinate them?


Don't worry. The ones that aren't killed by the Elder Things will be eaten by the Shoggoths.
 
2012-08-21 11:03:19 PM  
The obvious solution: enlist lots of Jews.
 
2012-08-21 11:11:50 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: kisseswookies

cousin is a medic in the marine corps

You misspelled corpsman in the navy.


Beat me to it (my stepbrother was a corpsman)
 
2012-08-21 11:11:52 PM  
media.247sports.com

Sorry I spoiled your black panther Party.
 
2012-08-21 11:14:31 PM  

The One True TheDavid: The obvious solution: enlist lots of Jews.


Worked real well for the Ottoman Empire, yeah?
 
2012-08-21 11:19:24 PM  

Maxor: I honestly love the military hate on this thread, why people?

It doesn't have the greatest pay available but for a young person with a limited skill-set out of high school and a family that doesn't want to mortgage their futures for college it makes a lot of financial sense, it provides a fairly nice standard of living for a person, 14,000+ of spending money is significant and it is all basically spending money as basic needs are met.

I would think that race hate motivations are rather slender as well, in my time in the military there were a few people who were somewhat racist but for the most part you will be in constant contact with a mixed race group, that tends to have a larger than base population % of motivated and skilled minorities.

I'm not saying that a few aren't suggested to join by their hate organizations to pick-up and disseminate war-fare weapons and tactics skills but for the most part there really can't be huge numbers of truly dedicated racists in the military due to current minority population in the military. Your intolerance would be rapidly noticed and acted upon unless you were a very good actor.


Because approving of the military is wrong because sometimes they have to kill people, which is wrong. And they do what they are told instead of questioning everything, which is wrong. And because sometimes our leaders have engaged in questionable wars and military actions, which is wrong. So basically choosing to stand between your home and any danger which you don't personally approve of and choose is therefore not only wrong, but stupid and evil.

My friend just made it home safe from a reserve tour in Afghanistan, where he did not kill people and actually may have won some hearts and minds, so f*ck all the naysayers.
 
2012-08-21 11:20:00 PM  

The One True TheDavid: davidphogan: Jimmy_James:

Oh, and "right wing extremist" is not a synonym for racist (article seemed to use them interchangeably). Both are nutty but the fat guy running around the woods in cammies preparing to go to war against the tri-lateral commission doesn't necessarily hate brown people.

You're correct that not every nut who is a right wing extremist is also a racist, but there is a huge overlap between the racist typr militia members and the conspiracy type militia members. In my experience that doesn't seem to be a sticking point for many.

Congratulations, you've discovered stupidity.


What was really bizarre to me was how many of the extremist nuts that I met who were well traveled and well educated. They're not stupid by any means, they just seem to all be pretty warped. It's not just a Southern or rural thing either. The ones I've personally met (both white supremacists and conspiracy/militia nuts) have been located around Buffalo, San Diego/LA, and Portland.

Weirder yet, many of them own their own companies and are quite successful. Until you sit down, and smile and nod at the crazy shiat they're saying they usually don't open up. Several I've found by asking "what do you think about..." and then mentioned something Alex Jones has been ranting about.

Every one of them is delusional in some way, and incredibly paranoid about a lot of things, but they don't show it in day to day life. It takes the right questions, and being able to play along with their theories for a bit. It's to the point I could probably indoctrinate someone to the Patriot movement if I wanted to, but I save it for explaining people away from it mostly.

I do enjoy lurking (and occasionally trolling) on conspiracy theorist/ZOG type sites, just cause it's amusing. The Alex Jones followers are especially fun to make up some crazy shiat for.
 
2012-08-21 11:30:47 PM  

ThePuceGuardian: [i.imgur.com image 262x213]


Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

thetitan.titanfusion.net

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmy traaaaaaaaaaaaaing, sir!

vancouverpeakoil.org

As for the rest of you idiots arguing about whether it's rationale to join the military, abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
 
2012-08-21 11:33:16 PM  

gadian: A) For the insurance / GI BILL
B) For the plane ticket out of this shiathole town
C) For the skills to one day lead an armed insurrection against the US.
D) I'm running from the law or don't know what I want to be when I grow up but my dad says that military training will get me a job in almost any field and I'm tired of hearing him go on and on about starting school or finding a job, I mean, damn just give me a chance to breathe man, but okay, I'll sign so long as you promise I'll get stationed at one of those cool bases by the beach and that my job never requires going to war.


You forgot the alcoholic/abusive dad scenario. Otherwise, good work.
 
2012-08-21 11:39:21 PM  

rolladuck: Wittenberg Dropout: Fit them with explosive collars and send them into downtown Faluja.

We have no combat presence in Iraq anymore. Our SOFA is strictly for security for the few outposts we have in Iraq. Your suggestion would involve invading a sovereign country and killing its citizens for no justifiable reason. Which would be a war crime. You wouldn't go around suggesting we commit war crimes, now, would you?


Priorities in this country are totally farked up since the Bush administration.

My sofa is strictly for lounging, reading books, and occasional makeouts. It was purchased specifically for that purpose, and armchairs in the living room were shuffled around expressly to support that agenda.

I hope the next administration reevaluates how and where we're buying furniture.
 
2012-08-21 11:40:36 PM  
There was a good documentary out in the 70's about neonazis in California. Some were apparently openly in the military, collecting training for the big "race war" they believed was coming.
 
2012-08-21 11:41:14 PM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_California_Reich
 
2012-08-21 11:53:22 PM  

Maxor: It doesn't have the greatest pay available but for a young person with a limited skill-set out of high school and a family that doesn't want to mortgage their futures for college it makes a lot of financial sense, it provides a fairly nice standard of living for a person, 14,000+ of spending money is significant and it is all basically spending money as basic needs are met


It actually pays better than $14k because of the benefits you get (heath care, college, work experience, veterans preference at future jobs). Also if you have any health issues you can try and claim disability from the VA after you get out. That is why it is very important that it is documented in your medical profile before you are discharged/retire. How much does the VA pay someone with service connected 100% disability? $3,000 a month, tax free! (dad has it and is a civ contractor doing the same job he did as a chief)... talk about being able to make some nice money.

There is also the possibility that you enlisted to go to college but then eventually got kicked out before your term was up. If it was a general under honorable conditions discharge then you are going to lose your GI Bill. BUT if meet the criteria to become a veteran and if you have anything that is documented to give you at least 10% service connected disability then you can submit paperwork to the Vocational Rehabilitation program. They will pay for your tuition, books, supplies and they will give you a stipend while you are in school. Word of advice, if you goes this route DON'T talk to the interviewer with an interest in getting a college degree. They will deny your application. You need to talk to them like you haven't been able to find a career with the skill set you learned in the military and you want to go back to college to get a solid foundation in *insert career here* to look more prospective for employers. My case worker told me that they are paying for my first 2 years and if I still have above a 3.0 after that then they will pay for my 4 year degree.

/My short 2 1/2 years in the service was a damn good move and it's still paying for my future. muahaha :)
 
2012-08-21 11:56:51 PM  

Tenatra: How much does the VA pay someone with service connected 100% disability? $3,000 a month, tax free! (dad has it and is a civ contractor doing the same job he did as a chief)... talk about being able to make some nice money.


Unless I'm totally misinterpreting "100% disability," that means "I was injured in the service and I'm totally unable to seek outside work," correct?
 
2012-08-21 11:59:08 PM  
Here is where these sick farks are right: there is a zionist element that bends our country to the will of isreal. This can't be contriversial since lobbying is well known. It is no different then banking, agriculture or military production lobbing congress.

Here is where they are sick farks: just because you are born to something doesn't mean you own it. Jews are not zionists. Blacks are not lazy. Mexicans are not drug runners. Whites aren't choosen. Your anger at loss of institutional advantage should be aimed at the real issue, the privileged. They have coordinated your loss of purchasing power for decades. Race is a distraction to keep both sides of the debate in check.
 
2012-08-22 12:01:46 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Tenatra: How much does the VA pay someone with service connected 100% disability? $3,000 a month, tax free! (dad has it and is a civ contractor doing the same job he did as a chief)... talk about being able to make some nice money.

Unless I'm totally misinterpreting "100% disability," that means "I was injured in the service and I'm totally unable to seek outside work," correct?


No minor problems can add up quick.I get 20% disability for high blood pressure. I get 10% for my thyroid. Just under $400 free every month because of 30%. My dad has minor issues also but overall they added up to 100% through knee, back and other sorts of problems.  Of course you can't do heavy lifting and whatnot but a desk job is still allowed. It's 110% disability that you can't do anything.
 
2012-08-22 12:17:40 AM  
Make sure those white supremacists are identified while ignoring a Muslim fanatic, Maj. Nadal Hasan, and.he kills 13 soldiers at Fort Hood.
 
2012-08-22 12:43:08 AM  

NotARocketScientist:
Under "What made you decide to join the military?" do not check the box stating "to train my neo-nazi bretheren for the racial holy war
Why have that box there at all then? It seems kind of silly to me.

I find it amusing that people are calling people who enlist dumb while we have others in the same thread who actually think this is a box on the form.


As heartwarming as I find what occurred for your nephew [edited out of his quote for space] I would like to point out that the headline seemed like a very loose homage to the Family Guy sketch where a job interviewer asks Peter Griffin: Where do you see yourself in three years?

To which Peter Griffin thinks in his head, while looking at a picture on the interviewer's desk: Don't say doing his wife, don't say doing his wife.

At which point Peter Griffin's eyes shift to ANOTHER person in the picture and he says... well I can't spoil it for you! These Family Guy jokes are too timeless to spoil for other poeple. You simply must youtube it this second.
 
2012-08-22 12:46:58 AM  

Tenatra: No minor problems can add up quick.I get 20% disability for high blood pressure. I get 10% for my thyroid. Just under $400 free every month because of 30%. My dad has minor issues also but overall they added up to 100% through knee, back and other sorts of problems. Of course you can't do heavy lifting and whatnot but a desk job is still allowed. It's 110% disability that you can't do anything.


Ah, that makes a sort of demented government sort of sense. Although I find it hilarious that 110% is the cutoff.

It makes me think VA benefits were crafted by Yogi Berra.
 
2012-08-22 12:50:11 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Army Pamphlet 600-15


I can't help but wonder if everyone in the military has to be able to read this stuff just to do their jobs; If so, might as well be a lawyer - it's less paperwork.
 
2012-08-22 01:19:10 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,KILL, KILL.


Have you ever been arrested?
 
2012-08-22 01:20:33 AM  

dshriner: Make sure those white supremacists are identified while ignoring a Muslim fanatic, Maj. Nadal Hasan, and.he kills 13 soldiers at Fort Hood.


We know about him, he's been arrested and charged, and that is not what this discussion is about so why do we need to bring him in anyway, except you have this weird idea that "If you don't talk about everything it means you're biased!" is some kind of defense.
 
2012-08-22 01:22:13 AM  

davidphogan: Nadie_AZ: So the small government, states rights bigots join the largest socialistic government run organization to learn to share, take commands and uphold the constitution all in an effort to overthrow the government?

In my early 20's I was acquanted with members of the Patriot Movement, which are typically linked to these groups. There were a surprising number of people I met who had taken the attitude of pretending to work for "the system" to "infiltrate" the military, police, and government jobs.

Much like how I had earned their trust by playing along with the conspiracies, the distrust of laws, the bizarre parts of their beliefs (gold fringed flags, 9/11 being a massive conspiracy, government support of sports at the NCAA and professional levels being a manipulation to distract from "real" issues, etc).

This doesn't seem very different. I wanted to learn about the militia movement, so I played their game. The militia movement learning from the military to learn their techniques just leads me to believe they've read The Art of War.


I had a friend in high school who was being courted by a Skinhead-ish group and started spouting off nonsense about how they were going to infiltrate the government by choosing certain member of their group to not get tattoos, keeping them clean, and as sleepers they would get voted in to office and take over the country for them. I laughed at her and told her she was crazy and that would never happen and she should not hang around with them.

Then twenty years later I saw what the religious right has done this under the name of the Tea Party and their numbers are getting voted into government positions. Now look what is happening to our government.
 
2012-08-22 01:22:54 AM  
I knew one of these guys when I was in. He had some odd tattoos of eagles and crosses and other strange things. Later he would confide to me they were aryan nation stuff, and I told him that if I were him I would never mention that again while in the military and pretended I didn't hear it. I almost felt bad for him, he was some little twerp with a huge problem towards authority, thus he wasn't well liked and spent many nights low crawling outside the barracks.

In the end, he didn't even deploy with us due to an asthma condition. Why he was let in in the first place I will never understand. Ran into him a few years later and apparently he was a state contractor washing vehicles doing pretty well. Which is good I guess, as i cant see him offering any thing of value in traditional employment. I don't know who his friends were prior to enlisting that caused him to get those tats, but honestly I think the whole things is overblown.

I'm sure he's on a government watch list now, as well all the rest of us probably are.
 
2012-08-22 01:37:53 AM  

On Balance: You forgot the alcoholic/abusive dad scenario. Otherwise, good work.


I think that falls under B).
 
2012-08-22 01:46:55 AM  

sonorangal: davidphogan: Nadie_AZ: So the small government, states rights bigots join the largest socialistic government run organization to learn to share, take commands and uphold the constitution all in an effort to overthrow the government?

In my early 20's I was acquanted with members of the Patriot Movement, which are typically linked to these groups. There were a surprising number of people I met who had taken the attitude of pretending to work for "the system" to "infiltrate" the military, police, and government jobs.

Much like how I had earned their trust by playing along with the conspiracies, the distrust of laws, the bizarre parts of their beliefs (gold fringed flags, 9/11 being a massive conspiracy, government support of sports at the NCAA and professional levels being a manipulation to distract from "real" issues, etc).

This doesn't seem very different. I wanted to learn about the militia movement, so I played their game. The militia movement learning from the military to learn their techniques just leads me to believe they've read The Art of War.

I had a friend in high school who was being courted by a Skinhead-ish group and started spouting off nonsense about how they were going to infiltrate the government by choosing certain member of their group to not get tattoos, keeping them clean, and as sleepers they would get voted in to office and take over the country for them. I laughed at her and told her she was crazy and that would never happen and she should not hang around with them.

Then twenty years later I saw what the religious right has done this under the name of the Tea Party and their numbers are getting voted into government positions. Now look what is happening to our government.


The Teahadists are not stupid enough to be Skinheads. They are the dumbest box of rocks you could ever hope to meet.

Which is not to say they didn't quit the Skin movement and get just enough edjumacashun to pull it off.
 
2012-08-22 01:56:33 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Ah, that makes a sort of demented government sort of sense. Although I find it hilarious that 110% is the cutoff.

It makes me think VA benefits were crafted by Yogi Berra.


Yes, I've always found that amusing myself although It's rare to see the 110% rate, a friend of mine got it while he was over in the desert. Saw too many of his buddies get blown up and other crap. He doesn't have to do anything anymore except sit on his ass and collect money but that comes with a price, he's extremely unstable now. Hell the issues he was going through even got him a get out of jail card when he was drinking heavily and rolled his truck.

A lot of people can get high disability rates on individual problems but the way the formulas work it will more than likely give you 100% or even less. They reserve that extra disability rate for extreme cases.

sonorangal: about how they were going to infiltrate the government by choosing certain member of their group to not get tattoos, keeping them clean, and as sleepers they would get voted in to office and take over the country for them. I laughed at her and told her she was crazy and that would never happen and she should not hang around with them.


If you ever have a chance to talk to older gentlemen that refer to themselves as 'Green Beanies' ask them about their purpose. These are Vietnam vets and you could label them as a sleeper cell also. Their goals are to take over control of the government when it can't take care of itself any longer. I've been invited by a few different ones to come learn how to make explosives and target practice. This makes me think that they are trying to teach a younger generation their expertise in bomb making, bridge demolition, etc that they learned back in the day and have young blood take the reigns. The ones I ran into were located in Alaska.
 
2012-08-22 02:23:12 AM  

Tenatra: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Ah, that makes a sort of demented government sort of sense. Although I find it hilarious that 110% is the cutoff.

It makes me think VA benefits were crafted by Yogi Berra.

Yes, I've always found that amusing myself although It's rare to see the 110% rate, a friend of mine got it while he was over in the desert. Saw too many of his buddies get blown up and other crap. He doesn't have to do anything anymore except sit on his ass and collect money but that comes with a price, he's extremely unstable now. Hell the issues he was going through even got him a get out of jail card when he was drinking heavily and rolled his truck.

A lot of people can get high disability rates on individual problems but the way the formulas work it will more than likely give you 100% or even less. They reserve that extra disability rate for extreme cases.

sonorangal: about how they were going to infiltrate the government by choosing certain member of their group to not get tattoos, keeping them clean, and as sleepers they would get voted in to office and take over the country for them. I laughed at her and told her she was crazy and that would never happen and she should not hang around with them.

If you ever have a chance to talk to older gentlemen that refer to themselves as 'Green Beanies' ask them about their purpose. These are Vietnam vets and you could label them as a sleeper cell also. Their goals are to take over control of the government when it can't take care of itself any longer. I've been invited by a few different ones to come learn how to make explosives and target practice. This makes me think that they are trying to teach a younger generation their expertise in bomb making, bridge demolition, etc that they learned back in the day and have young blood take the reigns. The ones I ran into were located in Alaska.


Not surprised. And no I had not talked to a member of a militia group (as far as I know), although I have read about them in the news.
 
2012-08-22 02:56:29 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,KILL, KILL.


Excellent, another Marine...
 
2012-08-22 03:19:11 AM  

Piestar: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,KILL, KILL.

Excellent, another Marine...


We're usually being really sarcastic when we talk like that... unless you've been in for less than six months, or more than six years.
 
2012-08-22 06:05:16 AM  

Jim_Callahan: marius2: Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

Even if you aren't poor, someone else footing the bill for college is a great way to make sure your education doesn't _make_ you poor.


Thatt, and and a pension by 40.
 
2012-08-22 07:39:34 AM  

FauxReal: [3sidednickel.com image 640x360]
1st Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Sangin district, Afghanistan 2010.


While I do not endorse using Nazi symbols, you have to give background with that image.

That is a group of scout snipers (one of the units in a recon bn). For whatever reason, the two lightning bolts have been a scout sniper symbol for a Very long time. Much in the same way that the band KISS uses the lightning bolt s's.

When that photo came out, there was a shiatstorm of WTF going on in the Marine Corps. We all got to sit through many classes about how bad the Nazis were, and how horrible the holocaust was. In this case, it is not a unit of white supremacists, it was a group of really farking stupid Marines, combined with a poorly chosen job field symbol.

Of course now it is just a public relations disaster, because the image alone sends a Really bad message.

Also, they do screen you with your ink in boot camp. They look at all your tattoos and brands to ensure that you don't have gang/hate group related symbols.
 
2012-08-22 08:04:03 AM  
Buried in the article . . . .

"Experts have identified the presence of street gang members as a more widespread problem. "

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-22 08:25:34 AM  
My dad said not to join the military, he said he killed enough Germans for everyone. Then he told me how he killed them. Fascinating!
 
2012-08-22 09:13:48 AM  

Arumat: the military is basically a cross-section of the U.S. as a whole


So much truth there.

In my few years of service, I've seen a wide variety of the people of this country, and probably a pretty good cross section of America:

A nice guy who was dumb as a bag of rocks, but would move Heaven and Earth to help you.
A staunch atheist intellectual married to a Muslim from Kenya
A CPT who was a barely closeted lipstick lesbian
Too many junior NCO's who were on a power trip that they were now in a position of authority
A LTC who was a genuinely great guy, and always regretted that oak leaf kept people at a distance from him.
A very round, very out-of-shape PFC that I wondered how he even passed Basic and AIT and hated being in the military, but was a real nice guy and hard worker.
A pudgy, lazy guy who would always find ways to get hurt on the job so he wouldn't have to work.
A surly, angry Hispanic guy from Texas who was pissed off at everyone and everything.
A happy-go-lucky, easygoing mailman from Puerto Rico
A surfer dude from Hawaii
Several stereotypical "gangsta" types in the Army as their only way to get out from "the Street."
An Amish girl who decided to enlist because she wanted no part of their way of life.
A former college football player who was a nice guy, but found every way to sneak alcohol and avoid work possible.
A guy from Southern California who claimed to be a small-time actor about to make it big, who had no IMDB entry and whose only part he could substantiate was an uncredited nonspeaking role on one episode of Law & Order.
A guy who self-published truly awful political and techno-thriller novels, wanted to be the next Tom Clancy, but his novels would be barely passable as High School writing projects.
A hardworking immigrant from China who spoke very little English, but wanted to do her best.
A lazy immigrant from Albania who only wanted to be in so she could get her citizenship.
A jovial old man near retirement who didn't give a crap about rank or protocol, just let him do his job in peace and everything would be A-OK.
A bitter old man who hated everybody younger than him, and was counting the days until retirement.
A hardworking grandmother (in her mid 40's) who was the unofficial "denmother" of the unit: always looking after everybody like a mom would her family.
 
2012-08-22 09:29:44 AM  

Silverstaff: Arumat: the military is basically a cross-section of the U.S. as a whole

So much truth there.

In my few years of service, I've seen a wide variety of the people of this country, and probably a pretty good cross section of America:

A nice guy who was dumb as a bag of rocks, but would move Heaven and Earth to help you.
A staunch atheist intellectual married to a Muslim from Kenya
A CPT who was a barely closeted lipstick lesbian
Too many junior NCO's who were on a power trip that they were now in a position of authority
A LTC who was a genuinely great guy, and always regretted that oak leaf kept people at a distance from him.
A very round, very out-of-shape PFC that I wondered how he even passed Basic and AIT and hated being in the military, but was a real nice guy and hard worker.
A pudgy, lazy guy who would always find ways to get hurt on the job so he wouldn't have to work.
A surly, angry Hispanic guy from Texas who was pissed off at everyone and everything.
A happy-go-lucky, easygoing mailman from Puerto Rico
A surfer dude from Hawaii
Several stereotypical "gangsta" types in the Army as their only way to get out from "the Street."
An Amish girl who decided to enlist because she wanted no part of their way of life.
A former college football player who was a nice guy, but found every way to sneak alcohol and avoid work possible.
A guy from Southern California who claimed to be a small-time actor about to make it big, who had no IMDB entry and whose only part he could substantiate was an uncredited nonspeaking role on one episode of Law & Order.
A guy who self-published truly awful political and techno-thriller novels, wanted to be the next Tom Clancy, but his novels would be barely passable as High School writing projects.
A hardworking immigrant from China who spoke very little English, but wanted to do her best.
A lazy immigrant from Albania who only wanted to be in so she could get her citizenship.
A jovial old man near retirement who didn't give a crap about r ...


What about the wacky neighbour?
 
2012-08-22 09:48:26 AM  

Charles Martel: Buried in the article . . . .

"Experts have identified the presence of street gang members as a more widespread problem. "

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 250x400]


Came to say this.
 
2012-08-22 10:28:26 AM  

marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!


As a 19 year old, I was working with more expensive, and more technical equipment than you will ever touch.
 
2012-08-22 11:00:27 AM  

Gyrfalcon: dshriner: Make sure those white supremacists are identified while ignoring a Muslim fanatic, Maj. Nadal Hasan, and.he kills 13 soldiers at Fort Hood.

We know about him, he's been arrested and charged, and that is not what this discussion is about so why do we need to bring him in anyway, except you have this weird idea that "If you don't talk about everything it means you're biased!" is some kind of defense.


Thank you for being the arbiter for what can be discussed and for knowing why I mentioned it. I will try to ask your permission in the future to what can and cannot be mentioned.
 
2012-08-22 11:35:00 AM  

meow said the dog: But really can the military be the picky organization currently with the upcoming invasion of Madagascar? Oh you have not heard of this? Well you will the friends of me. You will.


i52.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-22 11:41:28 AM  
 
2012-08-22 12:12:42 PM  

Combustion: marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!

As a 19 year old, I was working with more expensive, and more technical equipment than you will ever touch.


When I was 21 I was working for a company that built a great deal of that equipment.
/was head of a department and everything
//they needed a bright young man to take the job
 
2012-08-22 01:19:54 PM  

Meatybrain: They call it "rahowa" - short for racial holy war - and they are preparing for it by joining the ranks of the world's fiercest fighting machine, the U.S. military.

Wouldn't that be the Israeli army?


Not after they got their asses kicked by Hezbolla in Lebanon II. They did do pretty well against the little kids and old men in Gaza a couple of yearsl later though.
 
2012-08-22 01:27:02 PM  

Combustion:
As a 19 year old, I was working with more expensive, and more technical equipment than you will ever touch.


For me it was the opposite, I joined a bit later than most and turned 21 during bmt.
6 months later I was working on equipment that had been built before I was born.
 
2012-08-22 01:27:35 PM  

marius2: Combustion: marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!

As a 19 year old, I was working with more expensive, and more technical equipment than you will ever touch.

When I was 21 I was working for a company that built a great deal of that equipment.
/was head of a department and everything
//they needed a bright young man to take the job


Going to have to ask what company you're talking about here. There's shiat ton's of extremely expensive equipment in the military made by numerous companies. He didn't specify what he worked on but somehow you automatically know that you worked for the company that built a lot of it? Is this before or after going to college to be an ancient history teacher? If it was before, why leave a promising career as a head of a department in a company with a juicy military contract to learn ancient history?
 
2012-08-22 01:29:45 PM  

Arumat: Combustion:
As a 19 year old, I was working with more expensive, and more technical equipment than you will ever touch.

For me it was the opposite, I joined a bit later than most and turned 21 during bmt.
6 months later I was working on equipment that had been built before I was born.


Just curious, generator mechanic? I know there were still loads of vietnam era 5 and 10k generators when I got out in 2005. It's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that's old as dirt and still being used.
 
2012-08-22 01:43:05 PM  

rickycal78: Just curious, generator mechanic? I know there were still loads of vietnam era 5 and 10k generators when I got out in 2005. It's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that's old as dirt and still being used.


www.airnewstimes.co.uk

/yeah, I know what you meant, but still...
 
2012-08-22 02:01:24 PM  

rickycal78: Arumat: Combustion:
As a 19 year old, I was working with more expensive, and more technical equipment than you will ever touch.

For me it was the opposite, I joined a bit later than most and turned 21 during bmt.
6 months later I was working on equipment that had been built before I was born.

Just curious, generator mechanic? I know there were still loads of vietnam era 5 and 10k generators when I got out in 2005. It's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that's old as dirt and still being used.


Well, besides the B-52 "BUFF" that MorePeasPlease noted, the C-130 "Herky bird", C-5 Galaxy, CH-47 Chinook and OH-58 Kiowa from Vietnam are still in service. They are still actually building new C-130 airframes, a half-century after it debuted.

While it's a very slightly updated model, the Modern M-16's and M-4's are mechanically the same as the Vietnam era weapons, just with different fittings (and modern weapons got rid of the fully automatic setting as a waste of ammo). The M-67 "Baseball" fragmentation hand grenade is still in use.

The M35 2½ "Deuce and a Half" is still around, and it dates to Korea-era.

Most of the same actual artillery guns are the same.

Yeah, a lot of weapons and equipment are the same. An awful lot has changed, but it's more than just the generators that are vintage.
 
2012-08-22 02:37:10 PM  

rickycal78: marius2: Combustion: marius2: Biv: marius2: rickycal78: marius2: pippi longstocking: Aren't a huge portion of entrants part of some form of radical right-wing group anyway? I mean you're either poor or crazy to join the army.

This.

This sort of weapons grade derp belongs in the politics tab.

Also, "well I'm not smart enough to do anything else"

Who, with a promising career ahead of them, joins the Army other than crazy lads?

I don't know, maybe they want to serve their country. Crazy thought, I know.

Hmm, "I want to serve my country by killing the people they tell me to!" Sure sounds like a bright bunch. Free-thinkers and all!

As a 19 year old, I was working with more expensive, and more technical equipment than you will ever touch.

When I was 21 I was working for a company that built a great deal of that equipment.
/was head of a department and everything
//they needed a bright young man to take the job

Going to have to ask what company you're talking about here. There's shiat ton's of extremely expensive equipment in the military made by numerous companies. He didn't specify what he worked on but somehow you automatically know that you worked for the company that built a lot of it? Is this before or after going to college to be an ancient history teacher? If it was before, why leave a promising career as a head of a department in a company with a juicy military contract to learn ancient history?


Not going to say the company or what it was we dealt with. So yes, you got me there, I was wrong in assuming it was the same technology. But I got to work with (and help build in some cases) a lot of cool military tech.

Why did I leave? It wasn't for me. I didn't get much joy out of it. I was constantly under the clock and since I was dealing with government shiate, I was constantly being inspected/tested. Had always wanted to be a professor, decided the time was right to go back to school. It's twice the amount of work I was doing before, but it is a lot more fun and interesting to me. I don't mind spending 8 hours reading about the Peloponnesian War(s), but 8 hours reading government regulations and ensuring they were met was equal to a slow death.
 
2012-08-22 02:49:55 PM  

rickycal78: Arumat:
Just curious, generator mechanic? I know there were still loads of vietnam era 5 and 10k generators when I got out in 2005. It's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that's old as dirt and still being used.


Pretty close. A.G.E. Had a couple different models of am32a-86 that we had to keep running. No idea how old some of the aircraft jacks were, but I know they were old before I got to my duty station.
 
2012-08-22 05:47:39 PM  

Silverstaff: rickycal78: Arumat: Combustion:
As a 19 year old, I was working with more expensive, and more technical equipment than you will ever touch.

For me it was the opposite, I joined a bit later than most and turned 21 during bmt.
6 months later I was working on equipment that had been built before I was born.

Just curious, generator mechanic? I know there were still loads of vietnam era 5 and 10k generators when I got out in 2005. It's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that's old as dirt and still being used.

Well, besides the B-52 "BUFF" that MorePeasPlease noted, the C-130 "Herky bird", C-5 Galaxy, CH-47 Chinook and OH-58 Kiowa from Vietnam are still in service. They are still actually building new C-130 airframes, a half-century after it debuted.

While it's a very slightly updated model, the Modern M-16's and M-4's are mechanically the same as the Vietnam era weapons, just with different fittings (and modern weapons got rid of the fully automatic setting as a waste of ammo). The M-67 "Baseball" fragmentation hand grenade is still in use.

The M35 2½ "Deuce and a Half" is still around, and it dates to Korea-era.

Most of the same actual artillery guns are the same.

Yeah, a lot of weapons and equipment are the same. An awful lot has changed, but it's more than just the generators that are vintage.


Well I took his meaning as the equipment itself was older than him, not the design of the equipment.
The deuce and a half, at least from what I remember back when I was still in was still being made. I doubt active duty stations have deuce and a halves that are older than 20 some odd years. National Guard and Reserve units on the other hand....

Same goes for the M16 and M4's. I doubt active duty stations still have any of them that are actually over 20 years old, simply because of how much abuse they get put through.

I remember some of the generators we had to haul with us every time we did field training. There were some that no shiat had manufacturing dates from the late 70's stamped on them. This was back in early 97 when I got to my first duty station in Germany.

You're right though, I didn't think of the aircraft right away, although I'm sure some of the planes themselves are pretty old.

Arumat: rickycal78: Arumat:
Just curious, generator mechanic? I know there were still loads of vietnam era 5 and 10k generators when I got out in 2005. It's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that's old as dirt and still being used.

Pretty close A.G.E. Had a couple different models of am32a-86 that we had to keep running. No idea how old some of the aircraft jacks were, but I know they were old before I got to my duty station.


Hehe, not surprising.
 
2012-08-22 06:44:51 PM  

Silverstaff: While it's a very slightly updated model, the Modern M-16's and M-4's are mechanically the same as the Vietnam era weapons, just with different fittings (and modern weapons got rid of the fully automatic setting as a waste of ammo).


Most of your examples are spot-on, but I've got to disagree with you regarding the M16A2 & M4 being essentially the same weapon as the M16 & M16A1.

They are superficially the same, and the newer weapons can still fire the old ammo (albeit with some range loss). The newer .556mm weapons have more rifling [more twisty groves to make the bullet spin more and be more accurate, for those unfamiliar] and a thicker barrel to support that greater stress. The added barrel weight further enhances accuracy because of better balance and increased inertia of the weapon. With the increased rifling came new ammo. It's still .556mm, but with a considerably greater charge -- fire that through an old M16A1 and it will fly all over the damn place, with no accuracy at-farking-all).

The M16 / M16A1 (the latter having the forward assist in the upper receiver) was a crappy weapon that didn't live up to hopes, much less decent standards. The modern members of the family however, are actually quite good. Alternatively, compare to a rough draft that made it into production, versus the finished product.

Meanwhile, the military is not entirely happy with the 9mm round (whether fired from the standard Baretta M9 or the Browning), and have placed an order for new .45 cal. M1911s. That was first fielded more than a century ago. It has a lot of drawbacks in terms of versatility, accuracy, penetration, modern safety features, inter alia, but it is extraordinarily durable, reliable, and will stop one it actually. Even older than that pre-WWI weapon coming back is a vehicle some SF types have used in Afghanistan: actual old-timey, cavalry-style, cowboys-and-Indians, horseback fighting.
 
2012-08-22 07:09:15 PM  
I was always wary of the m-16s, but I only had to deal with them during qualifying. Too prone to jamming, and except in those cases where it was preceded by a class where we took apart and cleaned the guns ourselves, I never knew what kind of moron had done maintenance on it prior to me getting it.
 
2012-08-22 07:55:11 PM  
"No one knows how many white supremacists have served since then."

Actually, we do know.
 
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