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(Washington Post)   How confident is Paul Ryan of victory this November? He's still running to keep his House seat   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 83
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2012-08-21 04:20:42 PM  
Except in the case of incumbency, someone should be forced to resign their position before they can run for another one.
 
2012-08-21 04:25:37 PM  
Is Romney also running for rich, soulless plutocrat, in case for when they lose?
 
2012-08-21 04:29:52 PM  
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2012-08-21 04:30:35 PM  
Eh, not a big deal. Everyone in the the House stands for elections every two years making the conflict unavoidable whereas senators can often miss it. The last House member to run for VP also campaigned for her own seat (and lost). Federal law states that you can campaign for two offices but only hold one at a time, so no problems there.

Of all the things to be pissed off with (or make fun of) Ryan about, this isn't one of them.
 
2012-08-21 04:32:36 PM  
If I'm his opponent, I'd run commercials every day challenging him to a debate.
 
2012-08-21 04:34:19 PM  
What shocks me more is that no one seems to jump ship in the Republican party, no matter what. These guys could come out for removal of all American genitals and Republican voters would be cool with it.
 
2012-08-21 04:34:51 PM  

JerseyTim: If I'm his opponent, I'd run commercials every day challenging him to a debate.


I like the way you think.
 
2012-08-21 04:37:55 PM  
John Kerry and John McCain did not resign from the Senate during their Presidential runs. Okay, not the greatest examples, but you get the point.
 
2012-08-21 04:39:40 PM  

Sgt Otter: John Kerry and John McCain did not resign from the Senate during their Presidential runs. Okay, not the greatest examples, but you get the point.


And how'd they do again?
 
2012-08-21 04:44:43 PM  

Sgt Otter: John Kerry and John McCain did not resign from the Senate during their Presidential runs. Okay, not the greatest examples, but you get the point.


John Kerr was re-elected to the senate in 2002, and was not up for re-election in 2004. So that one not only isn't the greatest example, it isn't a farking example at all.
 
2012-08-21 04:45:46 PM  
Also, Joe Biden has to bring this up at the debate.

Here, I'll even write the line for him. One of you Internet operatives pass this up the organizational chart to Jim Messina or someone. When confronted with a question on the economy, Biden should say this following:

"The economy has gotten better, but we believe it can be even stronger. However, Barack Obama can not do it alone. The Republican party in Congress has done nothing but obstruct since the day the took over the majority. That's why it's important for voters to not just vote to reelect President Obama, but to also vote for representatives who are going to help him bring jobs back to the country, people like Rob Zerban running in Wisconsin's 1st district."
 
2012-08-21 04:45:47 PM  
Why can't Paul Ryan stop living off the taxpayer's dime?

GET A JOB, YOU BUM!
 
2012-08-21 04:46:40 PM  
As pointed out, Biden and Lieberman also did the same thing.... even as someone not voting GOP... this is a total non-issue.
 
2012-08-21 04:46:55 PM  

CommieTaoist: Eh, not a big deal. Everyone in the the House stands for elections every two years making the conflict unavoidable whereas senators can often miss it. The last House member to run for VP also campaigned for her own seat (and lost). Federal law states that you can campaign for two offices but only hold one at a time, so no problems there.

Of all the things to be pissed off with (or make fun of) Ryan about, this isn't one of them.


Yep.
 
2012-08-21 04:47:20 PM  

CommieTaoist: Eh, not a big deal. Everyone in the the House stands for elections every two years making the conflict unavoidable whereas senators can often miss it. The last House member to run for VP also campaigned for her own seat (and lost). Federal law states that you can campaign for two offices but only hold one at a time, so no problems there.

Of all the things to be pissed off with (or make fun of) Ryan about, this isn't one of them.


Plus, all of the stting members of Congress who have run in presidential primaries over the last few election cycles have continued to run for reelection to their Congressional seats (Michelle Bachmann, RON PAUL, Dennis Kucinich, etc.), so this is pretty much the same thing. One exception being John Edwards, who decided not to seek reelection to the Senate in 2004 to concentrate on running for president (and later, serve as VP nominee) that year.
 
2012-08-21 04:47:31 PM  

Karac: Sgt Otter: John Kerry and John McCain did not resign from the Senate during their Presidential runs. Okay, not the greatest examples, but you get the point.

John Kerr was re-elected to the senate in 2002, and was not up for re-election in 2004. So that one not only isn't the greatest example, it isn't a farking example at all.


If they were confident in winning, they would have resigned, since they would have been expecting to move right into the White House. It's just as dumb as TFA.
 
2012-08-21 04:48:28 PM  

Sgt Otter: John Kerry and John McCain did not resign from the Senate during their Presidential runs. Okay, not the greatest examples, but you get the point.


Neither was up for reelection to the Senate the years than ran for president, but if they had been, they probably would've done the same thing Ryan is doing here.
 
2012-08-21 04:50:03 PM  

TimonC346: What shocks me more is that no one seems to jump ship in the Republican party, no matter what. These guys could come out for removal of all American genitals and Republican voters would be cool with it.


Democrats fall in love with their candidates. Republicans fall in line.
 
2012-08-21 04:51:38 PM  

JerseyTim: Also, Joe Biden has to bring this up at the debate.

Here, I'll even write the line for him. One of you Internet operatives pass this up the organizational chart to Jim Messina or someone. When confronted with a question on the economy, Biden should say this following:

"The economy has gotten better, but we believe it can be even stronger. However, Barack Obama can not do it alone. The Republican party in Congress has done nothing but obstruct since the day the took over the majority Barack became President. That's why it's important for voters to not just vote to reelect President Obama, but to also vote for representatives who are going to help him bring jobs back to the country, people like Rob Zerban running in Wisconsin's 1st district."

 
2012-08-21 04:54:21 PM  

Karac: Sgt Otter: John Kerry and John McCain did not resign from the Senate during their Presidential runs. Okay, not the greatest examples, but you get the point.

John Kerr was re-elected to the senate in 2002, and was not up for re-election in 2004. So that one not only isn't the greatest example, it isn't a farking example at all.


Ha. Funny. I was thinking I remembered Republicans decrying Kerry for not dropping out of his Senate race. Now I remember it was that Republicans were butthurt that he didn't resign from his Senate seat first.

Massachusetts Republican urges Kerry to resign Senate seat
 
2012-08-21 05:07:26 PM  
As I'm not voting for him to win either office, I say "meh." Plus, it's fairly common.
 
2012-08-21 05:09:09 PM  

neritz: Democrats fall in love with their candidates.


I wasn't in love with Kerry. He was more like the only person available at last call.
 
2012-08-21 05:10:30 PM  

TimonC346: These guys could come out for removal of all American genitals and Republican voters would be cool with it.


You make it sound like Republicans don't actually want that.
 
2012-08-21 05:15:26 PM  

neritz: TimonC346: What shocks me more is that no one seems to jump ship in the Republican party, no matter what. These guys could come out for removal of all American genitals and Republican voters would be cool with it.

Democrats fall in love with their candidates. Republicans fall in line.


Huh!

I remember in the 90s how Rush was in love with everyone running in '94, '96 and '98. I've never seen or heard anyone who votes Dem that has gushed as much as he did.
 
2012-08-21 05:16:16 PM  
The only reason I give a fark....

Lets say, for the sake of this discussion, Romney/Ryan DOES win the presidential ticket. Let us also assume that Ryan wins his congressional seat.

That would mean a special election to fill the vacant seat.

Now, the big question...how much does it cost the government to run that special election? (I do not know the answer personally). The cost is not $0.

IMHO - for all the spouting off that the Republicans do about fiscal accountability and not wasting money....seems like a waste of money to me.

IMHO - you should only be able to legally run for one political office at a time. I am not a republican, but I still think waste is waste.
 
2012-08-21 05:17:08 PM  

Diogenes: neritz: Democrats fall in love with their candidates.

I wasn't in love with Kerry. He was more like the only person available at last call.


I was just using Kerry for his access to unlimited ketchup packets.
 
2012-08-21 05:42:35 PM  
I have no problem with this.  He was elected by his constituents, and if he's elected again but loses the VP election... the "voice of the people" has been heard.
 
2012-08-21 05:45:09 PM  

NBC/WSJ: 22% of voters say the Ryan pick makes them more likely to vote for Romney (23% less likely, 54% no diff) is.gd/bz1ZrA

- Mike O'Brien (@mpoindc) August 21, 2012



GAME: NOT REALLY ALL THAT CHANGED
 
2012-08-21 06:24:10 PM  

Diogenes: As I'm not voting for him to win either office, I say "meh." Plus, it's fairly common.


Yeah, it's not really an issue but I still think they should have to choose one office or the other.
 
2012-08-21 06:37:10 PM  
By the time the offer was made, he couldn't get off the ticket anyway.

Yes, I read TFA

As much as I hate the smarmy bastard, non issue...

I would take much glee in a double lose tho, but not holding my breath.
 
2012-08-21 07:23:03 PM  

CommieTaoist: Eh, not a big deal. Everyone in the the House stands for elections every two years making the conflict unavoidable whereas senators can often miss it. The last House member to run for VP also campaigned for her own seat (and lost). Federal law states that you can campaign for two offices but only hold one at a time, so no problems there.

Of all the things to be pissed off with (or make fun of) Ryan about, this isn't one of them.


Yeah, this is pretty standard issue.
 
2012-08-21 07:49:24 PM  

Sgt Otter: John Kerry and John McCain did not resign from the Senate during their Presidential runs. Okay, not the greatest examples, but you get the point.


Bob Dole did.
 
2012-08-21 07:52:25 PM  

JerseyTim: Also, Joe Biden has to bring this up at the debate.

Here, I'll even write the line for him. One of you Internet operatives pass this up the organizational chart to Jim Messina or someone. When confronted with a question on the economy, Biden should say this following:

"The economy has gotten better, but we believe it can be even stronger. However, Barack Obama can not do it alone. The Republican party in Congress has done nothing but obstruct since the day the took over the majority. That's why it's important for voters to not just vote to reelect President Obama, but to also vote for representatives who are going to help him bring jobs back to the country, people like Rob Zerban running in Wisconsin's 1st district."


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2012-08-21 07:53:32 PM  
I prefer candidates that understand the concept of contingency plans.
 
2012-08-21 07:53:58 PM  
If Paul Ryan were to be reelected to his house seat, and the electoral college ended up in a tie, would he be allowed to take his house seat on Jan. 3, then vote as part of Wisconsin's delegation for himself as vice-president?
 
2012-08-21 07:56:50 PM  

wxboy: If Paul Ryan were to be reelected to his house seat, and the electoral college ended up in a tie, would he be allowed to take his house seat on Jan. 3, then vote as part of Wisconsin's delegation for himself as vice-president?


Yes, he would be able to vote for himself.
 
2012-08-21 07:57:42 PM  

spongeboob: Bob Dole did.


I read that in Bob Dole's voice.

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2012-08-21 07:57:57 PM  

wxboy: If Paul Ryan were to be reelected to his house seat, and the electoral college ended up in a tie, would he be allowed to take his house seat on Jan. 3, then vote as part of Wisconsin's delegation for himself as vice-president?


No, because the current house, not the new house as of Jan 3, would make the vote.
 
2012-08-21 07:59:29 PM  

farkityfarker: wxboy: If Paul Ryan were to be reelected to his house seat, and the electoral college ended up in a tie, would he be allowed to take his house seat on Jan. 3, then vote as part of Wisconsin's delegation for himself as vice-president?

No, because the current house, not the new house as of Jan 3, would make the vote.


Err, I meant yes, because he's currently a member of the house.
 
2012-08-21 08:01:08 PM  
Interesting thing about Paul Ryan.

He wants to increase the military budget.

Seriously. He doesn't think $2.5 billion is enough.
 
2012-08-21 08:02:12 PM  

farkityfarker: Interesting thing about Paul Ryan.

He wants to increase the military budget.

Seriously. He doesn't think $2.5 billion is enough.


I meant $2.5 billion *per day*
 
2012-08-21 08:02:21 PM  

farkityfarker: Interesting thing about Paul Ryan.

He wants to increase the military budget.

Seriously. He doesn't think $2.5 billion is enough.


Um. Misplace a decimal (or four)?
 
2012-08-21 08:03:00 PM  

farkityfarker: wxboy: If Paul Ryan were to be reelected to his house seat, and the electoral college ended up in a tie, would he be allowed to take his house seat on Jan. 3, then vote as part of Wisconsin's delegation for himself as vice-president?

No, because the current house, not the new house as of Jan 3, would make the vote.


I'm pretty sure it is the new house that gets to do it. However, I forgot that the Senate actually votes for vice president in this situation so it doesn't much matter.
 
2012-08-21 08:14:47 PM  

baka-san: I would take much glee in a double lose tho, but not holding my breath.


What would he do for a living if he wasn't on the Government's dime? I guess he'd have to get bootstrappy...
 
2012-08-21 08:16:20 PM  
Back in 2010, I compiled an overview of the aftermaths of losing VP candidates.

Unless your name is Franklin Delano Roosevelt, it is not pretty.
 
2012-08-21 08:21:12 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: baka-san: I would take much glee in a double lose tho, but not holding my breath.

What would he do for a living if he wasn't on the Government's dime? I guess he'd have to get bootstrappy...


Fox news job.
The book deal.
Speaking fees.

I think he will do all right.
 
2012-08-21 08:22:19 PM  
I'd like to point out to all the conservatards in audience that in this thread liberals are the first to point out what a non-issue this is, which is the exact opposite of what our conservatard friends are wont to do.
 
2012-08-21 08:24:23 PM  
How confident is Paul Ryan of victory this November? He's still running to keep his House seat

So? It's a neck and neck race.
 
2012-08-21 08:25:13 PM  
Oh.....he just plans to be the vice president of congressman elect...of the tea party....elect.

/Obviously
 
2012-08-21 08:31:20 PM  
Do you guys quit your jobs if you get a chance to interview for a new one?

If the Wisconsin voters are ok voting for him knowing if he wins both seats its new election time then let them.

And for the dems if he wins both you get a do over. This is good for you.
 
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