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(Tech Stew)   Microsoft to offer Personal Licenses for home-built PCs with Windows 8, changes EULA so simple people can understand   (tech-stew.com ) divider line
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5200 clicks; posted to Geek » on 21 Aug 2012 at 6:03 PM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-08-21 05:00:14 PM  
3 votes:
If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.
2012-08-21 11:14:00 PM  
2 votes:
It's times like these that I love being in college for my CS/Programming degree.

I :heart: the free products through Microsoft Dreamspark :)

s15.postimage.org
2012-08-21 04:32:14 PM  
2 votes:
If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.
2012-08-21 10:56:07 PM  
1 vote:

thrasherrr: Kazan: thrasherrr: New OEM PCs will have the Windows 8 key burned into the BIOS. The OEMs will report which keys have been used, and only those keys will be enabled for online activation. Duped keys get killed on activation. As a result, OEMs won't be able to dump overbought Windows 8 into the gray market.

i don't think secure boot works the way you think it works.

Only someone who doesn't know what secure boot actually does would reply with a statement that irrelevant to my post.

/it is also true that OEMs are expected to implement secure boot for Windows 8
//Secure boot has nothing to do with the Windows 8 licensing mechanism


it sounded like some of the paranoid rants i've heard about secure boot. secure boot is only required for Windows RT, it's recommended but not required for x86/x64
2012-08-21 10:17:43 PM  
1 vote:
I have a theory. Now, I'm serious here, so hear me out.

DJs, when presented with poop songs to play, will play a *very* poop song just before they have to play something that sucks less. The reason for this is, contrast. Poop song B is less poopy than supreme Poop song A. Statistically, B flies and is accepted because compared to A, B is tolerable.

Microsoft has been doing this for years. Years. I'm completely convinced that they release a good, OK to use OS, then follow it with utter, utter crap, so that when the next OS comes along, everyone flocks to it.

Just look at the list:

Windows 3.0 - clunky
Windows 3.1 - Better
95 - good
98 - awful
NT - mmmm hokaaaayyy
2000 /XP - good
Vista - awful
Seven - good

So, again, I think it's done on purpose, they know it sucks, it's all just crude behaviorism. The poop sandwich to make the spam sandwich that follows more appealing.
2012-08-21 09:32:19 PM  
1 vote:
Honest questions:

How many of you guys that hate Windows 8 have actually tried it?

How many of you would switch to Linux?

How many of you would customize the Linux interface?
2012-08-21 09:00:51 PM  
1 vote:

change1211: xenovalent: cretinbob: If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.

THIS

ceebeecates4: If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.

NOT this.

Seriously. Software under $30 is an impulse buy while you're shopping at Best Buy/Target/Fry's/MicroCenter/wherever. $400 for the full version of Photoshop is seriously farked up (and I think it used to be MORE). I understand that they want to make back their money. They can do that a lot better by providing a PDF manual and selling 30 or 40 times as many copies as they would at the higher prices.

People aren't the target market for Photoshop, businesses are. There's no way that they can make any sort of profit if they start charging $60 per copy.

Also, what does a PDF manual have to do with anything?


Adobe is actually doing some neat stuff with their Creative Cloud option where you can rent the entire Creative Suite collection for $75 a month ($50 per month if you do a 1 year contract). I'm actually pitching this to my boss as an option for an upcoming project where it would be nice for me to have some better video editing software, but we don't have the budget to drop hundreds or thousands of bucks for the software. We can pay for the subscription for the month or two when I need the software and then let it lapse until we have another big project on the radar.
2012-08-21 08:49:32 PM  
1 vote:

SirTanon: [oi49.tinypic.com image 850x478]

FREE


good for you, do you want a cookie for being able to install an operating system?

hint: most of us that work on windows have used or do use things other than windows at times. use the OS you want if it suits your needs. no skin off our back.
2012-08-21 08:48:26 PM  
1 vote:

theorellior: Kazan: (i used to be a huge critic.. now i work for the company he made)

Why in the wide, wide world of sports would you work for Ballmer, of all people?

For the life of me, I have no idea why the Frankenstein of Redmond is still lurching through the C-level suite.


i'm not a fan of ballmer.. but the pay and benefits are great, i like my coworkers, the work i do is interesting and i get to live in one of the best parts of the country.
2012-08-21 08:34:34 PM  
1 vote:

xenovalent: cretinbob: If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.

THIS

ceebeecates4: If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.

NOT this.

Seriously. Software under $30 is an impulse buy while you're shopping at Best Buy/Target/Fry's/MicroCenter/wherever. $400 for the full version of Photoshop is seriously farked up (and I think it used to be MORE). I understand that they want to make back their money. They can do that a lot better by providing a PDF manual and selling 30 or 40 times as many copies as they would at the higher prices.


People aren't the target market for Photoshop, businesses are. There's no way that they can make any sort of profit if they start charging $60 per copy.

Also, what does a PDF manual have to do with anything?
2012-08-21 08:30:10 PM  
1 vote:

cretinbob: If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.


THIS

ceebeecates4:
If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.

NOT this.

Seriously. Software under $30 is an impulse buy while you're shopping at Best Buy/Target/Fry's/MicroCenter/wherever. $400 for the full version of Photoshop is seriously farked up (and I think it used to be MORE). I understand that they want to make back their money. They can do that a lot better by providing a PDF manual and selling 30 or 40 times as many copies as they would at the higher prices.
2012-08-21 08:09:40 PM  
1 vote:
Or... I could stay with Windows 7
2012-08-21 08:09:11 PM  
1 vote:
Won't matter anyways, I don't even think pirates want to touch that steaming pile.
2012-08-21 07:50:03 PM  
1 vote:

Lanadapter: Now there's some strange logic "we're losing sales to piracy so let's make it so less people can afford our product!"

Raising prices because of piracy makes even less sense when you realise that a pirated copy is not always the same thing as a lost sale.

For example, something that the pirate couldn't or wouldn't buy anyway is not a loss.

Or when piracy is the RESULT of a sale already made.(For example, buying something only to find the DRM is absurd and D/Ling a crack copy of the series of tubes)


Not even that. Microsoft always acknowledged that personal use had a lot of piracy and pretty much shrugged (just did the classic verification thing which can be easily bypassed to at least put a facade of fighting it, but they know pirated windows is a cashflow in terms of how entrenched it gets among the individuals, so enterprise always has to stuck with it since people don't need training). they didn't really lose money in that regard.

What they're doing here is even smarter. They're offering a cheap license to capture some of the pirates who may decide that 80 bucks or whatever is a sensible price to pay. So MS ends up with even more money and assures more penetration into the personal field.
2012-08-21 07:49:49 PM  
1 vote:

Kanemano: FTFA Can I downgrade the software? Instead of using the Windows 8 Pro software, you may use one of the following earlier versions: Windows 7 Professional or Windows Vista Business

if $50 this is a cheap way to get windows 7 Pro.


That EULA is for Win 8 preinstalled on a new PC.

Thank you for choosing a computer preinstalled with Microsoft Windows 8 Pro....

The cheap Win 8 licence may or may not have the same downgrade option.
2012-08-21 07:47:28 PM  
1 vote:

BumpInTheNight: /this OS is still going to bomb and hard so long as they keep insisting on you using the interface that shall not be named.


"Server 8", now Server 2012, is pretty cool. I'm using the last RC for testing as we speak. Some of the new Powershell improvements are just awesome. I haven't gotten into the new Hyper-V stuff yet, but I won't know the difference anyway because we've always been a VMWare shop. After their last licensing clusterfark, though, I'm seriously considering moving to Hyper-V.

Of course... I've only ever installed Core which has almost no interface outside the shell....
2012-08-21 07:40:45 PM  
1 vote:
weclock
"Windows 8, it's cheap shiat!"

This. I hate to say it, but it's like MS isn't even trying anymore. They're perennially that guy who shows up at a party wearing the height of fashion from a few years ago that doesn't fit quite right. 2012 is pretty late to be getting into the ballgame of touch interfaces, and Ubuntu's already sort of served as a lesson for the entire industry about why they shouldn't be foisted hamhandedly onto end users of general purpose computers.

Also:

tlchwi02
if he can really create a superior pooping experience, i will personally lead the drive to place a statue to him in every town square in this nation

Your personal hero is a guy who installs bidets?
2012-08-21 07:07:56 PM  
1 vote:
FTFA Can I downgrade the software? Instead of using the Windows 8 Pro software, you may use one of the following earlier versions: Windows 7 Professional or Windows Vista Business

if $50 this is a cheap way to get windows 7 Pro.
2012-08-21 07:07:20 PM  
1 vote:

thrasherrr: New OEM PCs will have the Windows 8 key burned into the BIOS. The OEMs will report which keys have been used, and only those keys will be enabled for online activation. Duped keys get killed on activation. As a result, OEMs won't be able to dump overbought Windows 8 into the gray market.


i don't think secure boot works the way you think it works.
2012-08-21 07:05:39 PM  
1 vote:

choo: ceebeecates4: it'd be a lot less pricey.

Woah buddy, I gotta stop you right there. Please think of the billionaires and millionaires. This year, because of piracy, Bill Gates had to settle for a Gulfstream G550 instead of a Gulfstream G650 jet. HOW DARE THEY!

*sniffles*


you mean the guy who is giving away most his wealth?

say what you will about his past (i used to be a huge critic.. now i work for the company he made) ..... the man isn't exactly the poster child of the "clueless 1%"
2012-08-21 07:03:17 PM  
1 vote:

kroonermanblack: So, is this part of an even bigger push to get people to use the new-terrible-you-should-skip-me OS? If it's going to be a 'new thing' that's awesome. I'd totally pay 50$ for a new OS (but, uh, not 8, sorry guys. I'm not using that one at all, even if you give it to me, glass/metro = no thanks) rather than glue out a license from the grey market for 10.


It's actually Microsoft responding to the thought that said gray market won't exist for Windows 8. While Microsoft disapproved of that market, they made a lot of profit on OEMs who overbought.

New OEM PCs will have the Windows 8 key burned into the BIOS. The OEMs will report which keys have been used, and only those keys will be enabled for online activation. Duped keys get killed on activation. As a result, OEMs won't be able to dump overbought Windows 8 into the gray market.

Microsoft is so convinced that this new licensing scheme will prevent AR piracy that for the first time in 10 years they are encouraging OEMs to include Windows 8 backup media.
2012-08-21 06:54:19 PM  
1 vote:

LoneVVolf: "so, for example, you may not make the software available for simultaneous use by multiple users over a network"

Awesome. So when tech support asks your grandmother if they can RemotePC/WebEx/Netmeeting/etc... into her PC to uninstall the 45 browser toolbars that are bogging down her system, she now has to say "I'm sorry, that would violate my EULA".


To be fair: This is for non-OEM computers, ie ones that people built themselves and therefore are their own tech support and likely better at tech supporting then an OEM's tech support. What about geek squad you might ask: Microsoft is doing the user a favour.

/this OS is still going to bomb and hard so long as they keep insisting on you using the interface that shall not be named.
2012-08-21 06:47:47 PM  
1 vote:
"so, for example, you may not make the software available for simultaneous use by multiple users over a network"

Awesome. So when tech support asks your grandmother if they can RemotePC/WebEx/Netmeeting/etc... into her PC to uninstall the 45 browser toolbars that are bogging down her system, she now has to say "I'm sorry, that would violate my EULA".
2012-08-21 06:47:37 PM  
1 vote:
That's actually a really good idea, if its priced right and flexible.
2012-08-21 06:25:58 PM  
1 vote:
Now there's some strange logic "we're losing sales to piracy so let's make it so less people can afford our product!"

Raising prices because of piracy makes even less sense when you realise that a pirated copy is not always the same thing as a lost sale.

For example, something that the pirate couldn't or wouldn't buy anyway is not a loss.

Or when piracy is the RESULT of a sale already made.(For example, buying something only to find the DRM is absurd and D/Ling a crack copy of the series of tubes)
2012-08-21 06:21:17 PM  
1 vote:
So, is this part of an even bigger push to get people to use the new-terrible-you-should-skip-me OS? If it's going to be a 'new thing' that's awesome. I'd totally pay 50$ for a new OS (but, uh, not 8, sorry guys. I'm not using that one at all, even if you give it to me, glass/metro = no thanks) rather than glue out a license from the grey market for 10.
 
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