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2012-08-21 04:32:14 PM
If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.
 
2012-08-21 05:00:14 PM
If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.
 
2012-08-21 05:17:07 PM

ceebeecates4: it'd be a lot less pricey.


Woah buddy, I gotta stop you right there. Please think of the billionaires and millionaires. This year, because of piracy, Bill Gates had to settle for a Gulfstream G550 instead of a Gulfstream G650 jet. HOW DARE THEY!

*sniffles*
 
2012-08-21 06:21:17 PM
So, is this part of an even bigger push to get people to use the new-terrible-you-should-skip-me OS? If it's going to be a 'new thing' that's awesome. I'd totally pay 50$ for a new OS (but, uh, not 8, sorry guys. I'm not using that one at all, even if you give it to me, glass/metro = no thanks) rather than glue out a license from the grey market for 10.
 
2012-08-21 06:25:58 PM
Now there's some strange logic "we're losing sales to piracy so let's make it so less people can afford our product!"

Raising prices because of piracy makes even less sense when you realise that a pirated copy is not always the same thing as a lost sale.

For example, something that the pirate couldn't or wouldn't buy anyway is not a loss.

Or when piracy is the RESULT of a sale already made.(For example, buying something only to find the DRM is absurd and D/Ling a crack copy of the series of tubes)
 
2012-08-21 06:40:56 PM

ceebeecates4: If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.


i52.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-21 06:41:27 PM

Lanadapter: Now there's some strange logic "we're losing sales to piracy so let's make it so less people can afford our product!"

Raising prices because of piracy makes even less sense when you realise that a pirated copy is not always the same thing as a lost sale.

For example, something that the pirate couldn't or wouldn't buy anyway is not a loss.

Or when piracy is the RESULT of a sale already made.(For example, buying something only to find the DRM is absurd and D/Ling a crack copy of the series of tubes)


Uh, they're lowering their prices.
 
2012-08-21 06:43:48 PM
Was meant to be a reply to the "If assfarks didn't pirate as much software" comment but I messed it up
 
2012-08-21 06:47:37 PM
That's actually a really good idea, if its priced right and flexible.
 
2012-08-21 06:47:47 PM
"so, for example, you may not make the software available for simultaneous use by multiple users over a network"

Awesome. So when tech support asks your grandmother if they can RemotePC/WebEx/Netmeeting/etc... into her PC to uninstall the 45 browser toolbars that are bogging down her system, she now has to say "I'm sorry, that would violate my EULA".
 
2012-08-21 06:54:19 PM

LoneVVolf: "so, for example, you may not make the software available for simultaneous use by multiple users over a network"

Awesome. So when tech support asks your grandmother if they can RemotePC/WebEx/Netmeeting/etc... into her PC to uninstall the 45 browser toolbars that are bogging down her system, she now has to say "I'm sorry, that would violate my EULA".


To be fair: This is for non-OEM computers, ie ones that people built themselves and therefore are their own tech support and likely better at tech supporting then an OEM's tech support. What about geek squad you might ask: Microsoft is doing the user a favour.

/this OS is still going to bomb and hard so long as they keep insisting on you using the interface that shall not be named.
 
2012-08-21 07:03:17 PM

kroonermanblack: So, is this part of an even bigger push to get people to use the new-terrible-you-should-skip-me OS? If it's going to be a 'new thing' that's awesome. I'd totally pay 50$ for a new OS (but, uh, not 8, sorry guys. I'm not using that one at all, even if you give it to me, glass/metro = no thanks) rather than glue out a license from the grey market for 10.


It's actually Microsoft responding to the thought that said gray market won't exist for Windows 8. While Microsoft disapproved of that market, they made a lot of profit on OEMs who overbought.

New OEM PCs will have the Windows 8 key burned into the BIOS. The OEMs will report which keys have been used, and only those keys will be enabled for online activation. Duped keys get killed on activation. As a result, OEMs won't be able to dump overbought Windows 8 into the gray market.

Microsoft is so convinced that this new licensing scheme will prevent AR piracy that for the first time in 10 years they are encouraging OEMs to include Windows 8 backup media.
 
2012-08-21 07:03:46 PM
Man this sucks, just when Microsoft starts doing a lot right they go and fark up their desktop interface so I don't feel like using it.

/Some solid improvements in Win 8 that I like a lot, but fark metro right in the ass
 
2012-08-21 07:05:39 PM

choo: ceebeecates4: it'd be a lot less pricey.

Woah buddy, I gotta stop you right there. Please think of the billionaires and millionaires. This year, because of piracy, Bill Gates had to settle for a Gulfstream G550 instead of a Gulfstream G650 jet. HOW DARE THEY!

*sniffles*


you mean the guy who is giving away most his wealth?

say what you will about his past (i used to be a huge critic.. now i work for the company he made) ..... the man isn't exactly the poster child of the "clueless 1%"
 
2012-08-21 07:07:20 PM

thrasherrr: New OEM PCs will have the Windows 8 key burned into the BIOS. The OEMs will report which keys have been used, and only those keys will be enabled for online activation. Duped keys get killed on activation. As a result, OEMs won't be able to dump overbought Windows 8 into the gray market.


i don't think secure boot works the way you think it works.
 
2012-08-21 07:07:56 PM
FTFA Can I downgrade the software? Instead of using the Windows 8 Pro software, you may use one of the following earlier versions: Windows 7 Professional or Windows Vista Business



if $50 this is a cheap way to get windows 7 Pro.
 
2012-08-21 07:19:35 PM

Kazan: say what you will about his past (i used to be a huge critic.. now i work for the company he made) ..... the man isn't exactly the poster child of the "clueless 1%"


if he can really create a superior pooping experience, i will personally lead the drive to place a statue to him in every town square in this nation
 
2012-08-21 07:20:45 PM
"Windows 8, it's cheap shiat!"
 
2012-08-21 07:24:58 PM

ceebeecates4: If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.


Actually it goes the other way around. Software has always been crazy expensive.That's why it started. Yeah it was pretty easy to copy that floppy and it's hard to believe 30 years later they haven't come up with any better solutions. Personally I think that they want software to be pirated to keep the prices high.
Mind you I'm not talking $50 games, I'm talking $800-$1200 apps.
 
2012-08-21 07:40:45 PM
weclock
"Windows 8, it's cheap shiat!"

This. I hate to say it, but it's like MS isn't even trying anymore. They're perennially that guy who shows up at a party wearing the height of fashion from a few years ago that doesn't fit quite right. 2012 is pretty late to be getting into the ballgame of touch interfaces, and Ubuntu's already sort of served as a lesson for the entire industry about why they shouldn't be foisted hamhandedly onto end users of general purpose computers.

Also:

tlchwi02
if he can really create a superior pooping experience, i will personally lead the drive to place a statue to him in every town square in this nation

Your personal hero is a guy who installs bidets?
 
2012-08-21 07:47:28 PM

BumpInTheNight: /this OS is still going to bomb and hard so long as they keep insisting on you using the interface that shall not be named.


"Server 8", now Server 2012, is pretty cool. I'm using the last RC for testing as we speak. Some of the new Powershell improvements are just awesome. I haven't gotten into the new Hyper-V stuff yet, but I won't know the difference anyway because we've always been a VMWare shop. After their last licensing clusterfark, though, I'm seriously considering moving to Hyper-V.

Of course... I've only ever installed Core which has almost no interface outside the shell....
 
2012-08-21 07:49:00 PM

Kazan: (i used to be a huge critic.. now i work for the company he made)


Why in the wide, wide world of sports would you work for Ballmer, of all people?

For the life of me, I have no idea why the Frankenstein of Redmond is still lurching through the C-level suite.
 
2012-08-21 07:49:49 PM

Kanemano: FTFA Can I downgrade the software? Instead of using the Windows 8 Pro software, you may use one of the following earlier versions: Windows 7 Professional or Windows Vista Business



if $50 this is a cheap way to get windows 7 Pro.


That EULA is for Win 8 preinstalled on a new PC.

Thank you for choosing a computer preinstalled with Microsoft Windows 8 Pro....

The cheap Win 8 licence may or may not have the same downgrade option.
 
2012-08-21 07:50:03 PM

Lanadapter: Now there's some strange logic "we're losing sales to piracy so let's make it so less people can afford our product!"

Raising prices because of piracy makes even less sense when you realise that a pirated copy is not always the same thing as a lost sale.

For example, something that the pirate couldn't or wouldn't buy anyway is not a loss.

Or when piracy is the RESULT of a sale already made.(For example, buying something only to find the DRM is absurd and D/Ling a crack copy of the series of tubes)


Not even that. Microsoft always acknowledged that personal use had a lot of piracy and pretty much shrugged (just did the classic verification thing which can be easily bypassed to at least put a facade of fighting it, but they know pirated windows is a cashflow in terms of how entrenched it gets among the individuals, so enterprise always has to stuck with it since people don't need training). they didn't really lose money in that regard.

What they're doing here is even smarter. They're offering a cheap license to capture some of the pirates who may decide that 80 bucks or whatever is a sensible price to pay. So MS ends up with even more money and assures more penetration into the personal field.
 
2012-08-21 07:51:05 PM

mrexcess: This. I hate to say it, but it's like MS isn't even trying anymore. They're perennially that guy who shows up at a party wearing the height of fashion from a few years ago that doesn't fit quite right.


kensegall.com
 
2012-08-21 07:51:46 PM

rocky_howard:
What they're doing here is even smarter. They're offering a cheap license to capture some of the pirates who may decide that 80 bucks or whatever is a sensible price to pay. So MS ends up with even more money and assures more penetration into the personal field.


Like a dealer giving away crack to new customers to get them hooked....
 
2012-08-21 08:09:11 PM
Won't matter anyways, I don't even think pirates want to touch that steaming pile.
 
2012-08-21 08:09:40 PM
Or... I could stay with Windows 7
 
2012-08-21 08:30:10 PM

cretinbob: If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.


THIS

ceebeecates4:
If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.

NOT this.

Seriously. Software under $30 is an impulse buy while you're shopping at Best Buy/Target/Fry's/MicroCenter/wherever. $400 for the full version of Photoshop is seriously farked up (and I think it used to be MORE). I understand that they want to make back their money. They can do that a lot better by providing a PDF manual and selling 30 or 40 times as many copies as they would at the higher prices.
 
2012-08-21 08:34:34 PM

xenovalent: cretinbob: If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.

THIS

ceebeecates4: If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.

NOT this.

Seriously. Software under $30 is an impulse buy while you're shopping at Best Buy/Target/Fry's/MicroCenter/wherever. $400 for the full version of Photoshop is seriously farked up (and I think it used to be MORE). I understand that they want to make back their money. They can do that a lot better by providing a PDF manual and selling 30 or 40 times as many copies as they would at the higher prices.


People aren't the target market for Photoshop, businesses are. There's no way that they can make any sort of profit if they start charging $60 per copy.

Also, what does a PDF manual have to do with anything?
 
2012-08-21 08:36:48 PM

xenovalent: cretinbob: If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.

THIS

ceebeecates4: If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.

NOT this.

Seriously. Software under $30 is an impulse buy while you're shopping at Best Buy/Target/Fry's/MicroCenter/wherever. $400 for the full version of Photoshop is seriously farked up (and I think it used to be MORE). I understand that they want to make back their money. They can do that a lot better by providing a PDF manual and selling 30 or 40 times as many copies as they would at the higher prices.


A couple of years ago I followed a link to the FHM site and saw a banner advertising "Buy FHM as an online download!"
Great, I thought. Cut out the retailer, and eliminate the cost of physically printing, warehousing, transporting a paper copy and you'd be able to charge half the price of the physical copy. Hell, charge a quarter of the cost and you'd sell far more copies and make more profit.
Clicked the link. Bastards wanted the exact same price! Not a penny discount!

They cut out the middle man, and saved all those physical costs, but decided to keep all that as extra profit for themselves!

Fark that. Greedy bastards. And the did a photoshoot a year ago with Summer Glau that they've never published! They should DIAF.
 
2012-08-21 08:45:32 PM
oi49.tinypic.com

FREE
 
2012-08-21 08:48:26 PM

theorellior: Kazan: (i used to be a huge critic.. now i work for the company he made)

Why in the wide, wide world of sports would you work for Ballmer, of all people?

For the life of me, I have no idea why the Frankenstein of Redmond is still lurching through the C-level suite.


i'm not a fan of ballmer.. but the pay and benefits are great, i like my coworkers, the work i do is interesting and i get to live in one of the best parts of the country.
 
2012-08-21 08:48:48 PM

SirTanon: FREE


eric@Minty, you get your temperature in Celsius. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-08-21 08:49:32 PM

SirTanon: [oi49.tinypic.com image 850x478]

FREE


good for you, do you want a cookie for being able to install an operating system?

hint: most of us that work on windows have used or do use things other than windows at times. use the OS you want if it suits your needs. no skin off our back.
 
2012-08-21 09:00:51 PM

change1211: xenovalent: cretinbob: If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.

THIS

ceebeecates4: If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.

NOT this.

Seriously. Software under $30 is an impulse buy while you're shopping at Best Buy/Target/Fry's/MicroCenter/wherever. $400 for the full version of Photoshop is seriously farked up (and I think it used to be MORE). I understand that they want to make back their money. They can do that a lot better by providing a PDF manual and selling 30 or 40 times as many copies as they would at the higher prices.

People aren't the target market for Photoshop, businesses are. There's no way that they can make any sort of profit if they start charging $60 per copy.

Also, what does a PDF manual have to do with anything?


Adobe is actually doing some neat stuff with their Creative Cloud option where you can rent the entire Creative Suite collection for $75 a month ($50 per month if you do a 1 year contract). I'm actually pitching this to my boss as an option for an upcoming project where it would be nice for me to have some better video editing software, but we don't have the budget to drop hundreds or thousands of bucks for the software. We can pay for the subscription for the month or two when I need the software and then let it lapse until we have another big project on the radar.
 
2012-08-21 09:02:29 PM
It's about farking time that Microsoft recognized there are hobbyists out there. Too bad they waited for the steaming turd called Windows 8.

If it came with downgrade rights to 7, that'd be a different story.
 
2012-08-21 09:16:42 PM

change1211: xenovalent: cretinbob: If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.

THIS

ceebeecates4: If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.

NOT this.

Seriously. Software under $30 is an impulse buy while you're shopping at Best Buy/Target/Fry's/MicroCenter/wherever. $400 for the full version of Photoshop is seriously farked up (and I think it used to be MORE). I understand that they want to make back their money. They can do that a lot better by providing a PDF manual and selling 30 or 40 times as many copies as they would at the higher prices.

People aren't the target market for Photoshop, businesses are. There's no way that they can make any sort of profit if they start charging $60 per copy.


Yeah, no; you're wrong. Well, you're right about it not being the target, but you're really really wrong about the profit bit. Sell it for $60-100 and call it a "steam sale" and I can personally name about 25 people who would suddenly have licenses for the copies of PS they're already using.

If you really want ensure it stays profitable, you make that an unsupported version and you keep the enterprise version (identical software+support contract) at full price. Corporate will still buy the $600 version because "SUPPORT!!1"
 
2012-08-21 09:19:16 PM

SirTanon: [oi49.tinypic.com image 850x478]

FREE


(if your time is worthless)
 
2012-08-21 09:20:07 PM

Kazan: thrasherrr: New OEM PCs will have the Windows 8 key burned into the BIOS. The OEMs will report which keys have been used, and only those keys will be enabled for online activation. Duped keys get killed on activation. As a result, OEMs won't be able to dump overbought Windows 8 into the gray market.

i don't think secure boot works the way you think it works.


Only someone who doesn't know what secure boot actually does would reply with a statement that irrelevant to my post.

/it is also true that OEMs are expected to implement secure boot for Windows 8
//Secure boot has nothing to do with the Windows 8 licensing mechanism
 
2012-08-21 09:32:19 PM
Honest questions:

How many of you guys that hate Windows 8 have actually tried it?

How many of you would switch to Linux?

How many of you would customize the Linux interface?
 
2012-08-21 09:37:19 PM

SirTanon: [oi49.tinypic.com image 850x478]

FREE


That does look nice but how does Sleeping Dogs run on it? How about Skyrim? Fallout: New Vegas? Will Guild Wars 2 work with it when released?

I don't care what you do with your system but the ability to play games modern and newly released titles natively is the deciding factor on what OS I run. If Valve gets a real head of Steam going with their attempt at a Linux client, and begins to offer the same library that they currently do on Windows, I'd give it a consideration.

No, a console with five year old hardware, a frame limiter and 1080 resolution is not the same as a real gaming rig.
 
2012-08-21 09:40:17 PM

ProfessorOhki: change1211: xenovalent: cretinbob: If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.

THIS

ceebeecates4: If assfarks didn't pirate as much software, it'd be a lot less pricey.

NOT this.

Seriously. Software under $30 is an impulse buy while you're shopping at Best Buy/Target/Fry's/MicroCenter/wherever. $400 for the full version of Photoshop is seriously farked up (and I think it used to be MORE). I understand that they want to make back their money. They can do that a lot better by providing a PDF manual and selling 30 or 40 times as many copies as they would at the higher prices.

People aren't the target market for Photoshop, businesses are. There's no way that they can make any sort of profit if they start charging $60 per copy.

Yeah, no; you're wrong. Well, you're right about it not being the target, but you're really really wrong about the profit bit. Sell it for $60-100 and call it a "steam sale" and I can personally name about 25 people who would suddenly have licenses for the copies of PS they're already using.

If you really want ensure it stays profitable, you make that an unsupported version and you keep the enterprise version (identical software+support contract) at full price. Corporate will still buy the $600 version because "SUPPORT!!1"


Is there really much of anything that a non-business user is typically going to do with Photoshop CS6 that they can't do with Photoshop Elements 10?
 
2012-08-21 09:41:48 PM

Marine1: Honest questions:

1. How many of you guys that hate Windows 8 have actually tried it?

2. How many of you would switch to Linux?

3. How many of you would customize the Linux interface?


1. I was asked as part of a team to evaluate it for possible future deployment at work. I "used" it for six weeks and one day. I could not recommend it for rollout to our user base.

2. I actually have tried seriously switching to Linux. As my post above yours illustrates, it did not meet my needs.

3. If Linux met my needs as a user and I was also able to customize the interface using only a GUI and built-in-tools with ease of use, then I totally would.
 
2012-08-21 09:53:34 PM

cretinbob: If software weren't sold at assfark prices there'd be a lot less piracy.


$40 till January is pricy
 
2012-08-21 09:53:44 PM
The trick that companies that sell high-dollar software need to do, of course, is to have random crazy discounts a few times a year. I've thought about getting into video/SFX work (well, hobby) but have always been daunted by the barrier to entry. If they did what Steam does, which is have a few crazy-ass low price sales every year and publicize it heavily, they'd get lots of new customers on the teat that would probably gladly shell out cizzash for more stuff.

Same with Microsoft's stuff... if they'd offer the Office suite for $50 bucks a few times every year (at unannounced intervals, but media blitz it when they do) you'd probably find a huge uptake in Office adoption among small business/self-employed types, and those customers will buy in to the next version.

I admit that Microsoft's hooked me with the with the free Office 2013 preview. I had Office 2010 already on my work computer, but I was running OpenOffice on my home computer and work laptop. Now I've got the free Office 2013 preview running on all three and all my work documents are automagically synced via the cloud service. Eventually I will have to pay to keep it on all three machines, and you bet your sweet ass that my company will be paying for it (I manage about $2.5 million a month in purchasing/inventory; I pretty much pay everyone else's salaries by making sure our products stay profitable). What's more is that we've been sharing documents across the office via Google Docs for the past year or so, but frankly MS's Live Office is way better and integrates with Office 2013, which means that within the year everyone will have moved over, which means lots of Office licenses purchased. Discounts/free trials/previews do work.
 
2012-08-21 09:57:28 PM

Marine1: Honest questions:

How many of you guys that hate Windows 8 have actually tried it?

How many of you would switch to Linux?

How many of you would customize the Linux interface?


Yes, no no, I'll keep using win7 thanks.
 
2012-08-21 10:04:49 PM

Marine1: Honest questions:

How many of you guys that hate Windows 8 have actually tried it?

How many of you would switch to Linux?

How many of you would customize the Linux interface?


Right here, f*ck metro every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I'm already running Mac OS, and I already do.
 
2012-08-21 10:09:28 PM

Marine1: Honest questions:

How many of you guys that hate Windows 8 have actually tried it?

How many of you would switch to Linux?

How many of you would customize the Linux interface?


1. Hate, hate, hate Windows 8. Tried the "release to consumer" or whatever version, couldn't stand Metro. And I'm someone who thinks Win7 is a rock-solid OS. I simply have issues with how the tile system looks and acts.

2. I've got a dual-boot machine, but spend a majority of my time in Ubuntu.

3. Not right now. I've got a stable primary OS, and I'm happy with it. I actually kinda like Unity, but that leaves me and Shuttleworth alone in that camp.
 
2012-08-21 10:17:43 PM
I have a theory. Now, I'm serious here, so hear me out.

DJs, when presented with poop songs to play, will play a *very* poop song just before they have to play something that sucks less. The reason for this is, contrast. Poop song B is less poopy than supreme Poop song A. Statistically, B flies and is accepted because compared to A, B is tolerable.

Microsoft has been doing this for years. Years. I'm completely convinced that they release a good, OK to use OS, then follow it with utter, utter crap, so that when the next OS comes along, everyone flocks to it.

Just look at the list:

Windows 3.0 - clunky
Windows 3.1 - Better
95 - good
98 - awful
NT - mmmm hokaaaayyy
2000 /XP - good
Vista - awful
Seven - good

So, again, I think it's done on purpose, they know it sucks, it's all just crude behaviorism. The poop sandwich to make the spam sandwich that follows more appealing.
 
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