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(Tech Stew)   Microsoft to offer Personal Licenses for home-built PCs with Windows 8, changes EULA so simple people can understand   (tech-stew.com) divider line 120
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2012-08-22 11:12:45 AM

SirTanon: BumpInTheNight: DjangoStonereaver: HeartBurnKid: BumpInTheNight: SirTanon: [oi49.tinypic.com image 850x478]

FREE

(if your time is worthless)

And Windows is $200+ ($100+ for OEM or upgrade versions) if your time is worthless. Your point?

The point is that he's a knee-jerk MS fan who is parroting anti-Linux propaganda from the late 1990s.

Canonical has done amazing things to make sure that Ubuntu can load seamlessly on almost any
hardware made in the last 5-10 years.

The only reason I would still run MS Windows is because there isn't yet a version of gtkpod that will
work with iOS 5, but that's ultimately Apple's fault, not MS's

Look if some linux fanboi wants to crash a thread about the worst microsoft operating system to date to spout his love for linux then I'll respond in kind, that's all.

/welcome to fark

Fanboi? Nahh...

But let's face it - This thread is a discussion about Windows 8 and how Microsoft is forcing its users to adopt yet another new, shiatty, version with an over-the-top-ridiculous interface, and trying to polish it up with a nice new pricing scheme.

$200 - It's crap
$100 - It's STILL crap
$40 - It's cheap crap and people will hate it just as much.

I posted my Linux image because it's free and it's not crap.

Is it perfect? No, and I never said it was perfect, but neither is Windows XP or Windows 7, and I use and support both in my job, and I like both of them a lot.

Does it work very well and provide a great operating system with a ton of flexibility and lots of eye-candy? Hell yes.

...and for the record, I have MS Office 2007 and WoW installed on one of my Linux boxes, and they both run great. I still tend to play most of my games on my Win7 box, but that's to be expected. You don't use a mitre box as a hammer.


Listen, I get that people don't like the interface, but Windows 8 isn't crap. Not by a long shot.

Want a crappy OS? Try Windows ME. Now that... THAT was a shiatty OS. There was literally no way to make that garbage run right. There was no hardware configuration, no set of drivers, no magic word that you could use to get it to be stable. Hell, even Vista could be made to run well if you were willing to invest in a quad core and some RAM.

People forget what crappy software is these days. People born after 1995 or so won't have any recollection of it at all. If you don't like the interface, fine, but don't call it a pile of crap. It ignores all of the work that's been done over the last fifteen years to make software better.
 
2012-08-22 11:21:30 AM

Marine1: If you don't like the interface, fine, but don't call it a pile of crap. It ignores all of the work that's been done over the last fifteen years to make software better.


A meal created by the best chef in the world, which was then slathered in excrement, is still inedible.

Put another way, if the interface is crap, the backend doesn't matter.
 
2012-08-22 11:26:19 AM
Pirate Windows 8? I wouldn't take it if they gave it away.
 
2012-08-22 11:39:34 AM

Marine1: SirTanon: BumpInTheNight: DjangoStonereaver: HeartBurnKid: BumpInTheNight: SirTanon: [oi49.tinypic.com image 850x478]

FREE

(if your time is worthless)

And Windows is $200+ ($100+ for OEM or upgrade versions) if your time is worthless. Your point?

The point is that he's a knee-jerk MS fan who is parroting anti-Linux propaganda from the late 1990s.

Canonical has done amazing things to make sure that Ubuntu can load seamlessly on almost any
hardware made in the last 5-10 years.

The only reason I would still run MS Windows is because there isn't yet a version of gtkpod that will
work with iOS 5, but that's ultimately Apple's fault, not MS's

Look if some linux fanboi wants to crash a thread about the worst microsoft operating system to date to spout his love for linux then I'll respond in kind, that's all.

/welcome to fark

Fanboi? Nahh...

But let's face it - This thread is a discussion about Windows 8 and how Microsoft is forcing its users to adopt yet another new, shiatty, version with an over-the-top-ridiculous interface, and trying to polish it up with a nice new pricing scheme.

$200 - It's crap
$100 - It's STILL crap
$40 - It's cheap crap and people will hate it just as much.

I posted my Linux image because it's free and it's not crap.

Is it perfect? No, and I never said it was perfect, but neither is Windows XP or Windows 7, and I use and support both in my job, and I like both of them a lot.

Does it work very well and provide a great operating system with a ton of flexibility and lots of eye-candy? Hell yes.

...and for the record, I have MS Office 2007 and WoW installed on one of my Linux boxes, and they both run great. I still tend to play most of my games on my Win7 box, but that's to be expected. You don't use a mitre box as a hammer.

Listen, I get that people don't like the interface, but Windows 8 isn't crap. Not by a long shot.

Want a crappy OS? Try Windows ME. Now that... THAT was a shiatty OS. There was literally no way to make that g ...


I am sorry... but this I have to disagree with. It may be rock stable, but most people hate the interface, and it is being made much worse by being shoved down our throats with no way to disable it. I understand that how I like an interface may just be my opinion, but it also happens to be the opinion of most people that have tried it out... Windows 8 is like a sturdy chair that hurts me when I sit down. Windows ME is like a flimsy chair that is comfortable but breaks all the time. Both are crap for different reasons.
 
2012-08-22 11:45:32 AM

TsukasaK: Marine1: If you don't like the interface, fine, but don't call it a pile of crap. It ignores all of the work that's been done over the last fifteen years to make software better.

A meal created by the best chef in the world, which was then slathered in excrement, is still inedible.

Put another way, if the interface is crap, the backend doesn't matter.


Whining about the interface is just that: whining. People spend time customizing interface anyways. Spend three extra minutes downloading and configuring Classic Shell and be done with it. Or, stick with Windows 7. Either one works. Just don't act like it's complete shiat (it's not) or that it's unavoidable (it isn't). You'll spend more time getting used to OS X or Linux than you will doing the above.

/Launchpad and Unity both suck as well
 
2012-08-22 11:53:44 AM

Marine1: TsukasaK: Marine1: If you don't like the interface, fine, but don't call it a pile of crap. It ignores all of the work that's been done over the last fifteen years to make software better.

A meal created by the best chef in the world, which was then slathered in excrement, is still inedible.

Put another way, if the interface is crap, the backend doesn't matter.

Whining about the interface is just that: whining. People spend time customizing interface anyways. Spend three extra minutes downloading and configuring Classic Shell and be done with it. Or, stick with Windows 7. Either one works. Just don't act like it's complete shiat (it's not) or that it's unavoidable (it isn't). You'll spend more time getting used to OS X or Linux than you will doing the above.

/Launchpad and Unity both suck as well


really? I need to go download 3rd party software to get my desktop to work the way it has been for the past ~20 years? And its not crap?
 
2012-08-22 11:59:46 AM

Marine1:

Listen, I get that people don't like the interface, but Windows 8 isn't crap. Not by a long shot.

Want a crappy OS? Try Windows ME. Now that... THAT was a shiatty OS. There was literally no way to make that garbage run right. There was no hardware configuration, no set of drivers, no magic word that you could use to get it to be stable.


I don't deny that ME was a steaming bowl of turds.. it was pure fail..

Hell, even Vista could be made to run well if you were willing to invest in a quad core and some RAM.

LMAO - you nailed Vista. Whereas XP, its predecessor, AND Windows 7, it's successor would run just fine on a single-core CPU with 1GB of RAM, Vista pretty much REQUIRED a dual-core and 4GB of RAM to run with satisfactory speed. .. and it was almost as bad with drivers and hardware. I call Vista pure fail as well.

People forget what crappy software is these days. People born after 1995 or so won't have any recollection of it at all. If you don't like the interface, fine, but don't call it a pile of crap. It ignores all of the work that's been done over the last fifteen years to make software better.

Nah, I don't forget was crappy software is at all. I grew up with the Apple ][, IBM PC, XT, AT, etc.. Been through every iteration of DOS and Windows... XP was a huge win, and Windows 7 is very well made and works great. I can actually forgive how Microsoft has randomly re-located a bunch of their tools for no obvious reason..

I haven't forgotten how much software has improved in the past decade or two..

HOWEVER..

TsukasaK:

A meal created by the best chef in the world, which was then slathered in excrement, is still inedible.

Put another way, if the interface is crap, the backend doesn't matter.


THIS

Nowadays, the Interface IS the operating system to most people. If they can't figure out the interface, can't navigate it, or aren't comfortable with it, they WON'T USE the Operating System... or at least they'll waste lots of time trying to use it.

For a conventional PC (desktop/laptop) I still call it crap, and I'm not alone. For a tablet, maybe.
 
2012-08-22 12:06:08 PM

Marine1: TsukasaK: Marine1: If you don't like the interface, fine, but don't call it a pile of crap. It ignores all of the work that's been done over the last fifteen years to make software better.

A meal created by the best chef in the world, which was then slathered in excrement, is still inedible.

Put another way, if the interface is crap, the backend doesn't matter.

Whining about the interface is just that: whining. People spend time customizing interface anyways. Spend three extra minutes downloading and configuring Classic Shell and be done with it. Or, stick with Windows 7. Either one works. Just don't act like it's complete shiat (it's not) or that it's unavoidable (it isn't). You'll spend more time getting used to OS X or Linux than you will doing the above.


That's funny. I didn't read any of that as whining. Seems like honest critique of a poorly-thought-out product... and critique that seems to be the widespread opinion.

If the average home-user can't use it, it's shiat. Remember, Windows PCs get used by a lot of people who aren't computer savvy. They don't want to have to learn a completely new interface every time a new version comes out.

/Launchpad and Unity both suck as well

Yeah, they kinda do - BUT I can turn those off with a simple mouse-click at login.. and it takes about 15 seconds. :-)


//You work for Microsoft, don't you?
 
2012-08-22 12:06:39 PM

Maul555: Marine1: TsukasaK: Marine1: If you don't like the interface, fine, but don't call it a pile of crap. It ignores all of the work that's been done over the last fifteen years to make software better.

A meal created by the best chef in the world, which was then slathered in excrement, is still inedible.

Put another way, if the interface is crap, the backend doesn't matter.

Whining about the interface is just that: whining. People spend time customizing interface anyways. Spend three extra minutes downloading and configuring Classic Shell and be done with it. Or, stick with Windows 7. Either one works. Just don't act like it's complete shiat (it's not) or that it's unavoidable (it isn't). You'll spend more time getting used to OS X or Linux than you will doing the above.

/Launchpad and Unity both suck as well

really? I need to go download 3rd party software to get my desktop to work the way it has been for the past ~20 years? And its not crap?


People do that shiat all the time. Walking around the department lab here, people have screwed with their task bars in all sorts of ways. There are entire sites dedicated to Windows Explorer customizations. This isn't any different. And let's not forget that all of the shells for Linux are third party software themselves, in effect.
 
2012-08-22 12:07:32 PM

Marine1: Whining about the interface is just that: whining. People spend time customizing interface anyways. Spend three extra minutes downloading and configuring Classic Shell and be done with it. Or, stick with Windows 7. Either one works. Just don't act like it's complete shiat (it's not) or that it's unavoidable (it isn't). You'll spend more time getting used to OS X or Linux than you will doing the above.

/Launchpad and Unity both suck as well


For OS X at least, Launchpad is really easy to ignore. Hell, if you want you can drag it to the DOck and never see it again. I actually find it a little useful, because it gives me a good shortcut to some occasionally used apps that aren't worth dragging to the Dock because they aren't used often enough, like Disk Utility and the Airport Utility.
 
2012-08-22 12:08:56 PM

SirTanon:
//You work for Microsoft, don't you?


If I did, I wouldn't be arguing over the 3-minute installation process of a small third-party tool with a few guys on the internet, especially when a good number of them spend far more time than that customizing how Windows looks and works anyways.

Hell, you guys probably wouldn't ever see my ass again. I'd be too busy screwing with all of the opportunities that sort of job would provide.
 
2012-08-22 12:17:15 PM

Marine1: SirTanon:
//You work for Microsoft, don't you?

If I did, I wouldn't be arguing over the 3-minute installation process of a small third-party tool with a few guys on the internet, especially when a good number of them spend far more time than that customizing how Windows looks and works anyways.

Hell, you guys probably wouldn't ever see my ass again. I'd be too busy screwing with all of the opportunities that sort of job would provide.


LOL okay.

www.freud-sigmund.com

Frustrated?
 
2012-08-22 12:21:12 PM

SirTanon: Marine1: SirTanon:
//You work for Microsoft, don't you?

If I did, I wouldn't be arguing over the 3-minute installation process of a small third-party tool with a few guys on the internet, especially when a good number of them spend far more time than that customizing how Windows looks and works anyways.

Hell, you guys probably wouldn't ever see my ass again. I'd be too busy screwing with all of the opportunities that sort of job would provide.

LOL okay.

[www.freud-sigmund.com image 300x300]

Frustrated?


... no?
 
2012-08-22 02:33:19 PM

Marine1: Maul555: Marine1: TsukasaK: Marine1: If you don't like the interface, fine, but don't call it a pile of crap. It ignores all of the work that's been done over the last fifteen years to make software better.

A meal created by the best chef in the world, which was then slathered in excrement, is still inedible.

Put another way, if the interface is crap, the backend doesn't matter.

Whining about the interface is just that: whining. People spend time customizing interface anyways. Spend three extra minutes downloading and configuring Classic Shell and be done with it. Or, stick with Windows 7. Either one works. Just don't act like it's complete shiat (it's not) or that it's unavoidable (it isn't). You'll spend more time getting used to OS X or Linux than you will doing the above.

/Launchpad and Unity both suck as well

really? I need to go download 3rd party software to get my desktop to work the way it has been for the past ~20 years? And its not crap?

People do that shiat all the time. Walking around the department lab here, people have screwed with their task bars in all sorts of ways. There are entire sites dedicated to Windows Explorer customizations. This isn't any different. And let's not forget that all of the shells for Linux are third party software themselves, in effect.


What I want from windows 8 is very simple. When I turn on my computer i want it to go straight to my big beautiful desktop with the wallpaper that I selected sitting lovingly in the background, unobstructed. Sitting in various locations are only the icons I want, where I want them.
 
2012-08-22 02:42:41 PM
oh yeah.... and a start menu with some functionality... even if its just an option somewhere that needs to be turned on. and just because I can jump through hoops to get windows 8 running somewhat the way I like it, does not make it fun or help me. I have to go help other poor fools use this thing, and configure it, and live with it. so no matter what, i hope it fails so horribly that I never have to hear about it again in my life.
 
2012-08-22 04:43:28 PM
How do I turn off this machine?
How do I exit this program?
How do I log in?
How do I get this device to work?
How do I uninstall this program?

I will get used to using Windows 8, but the very first impression of the IU is... why the heck do I have to "swipe" a screen to get to a log-in. Seriously?

For the love of all that is holy, stop trying to copy a UI for a phone/tablet that isn't even very well designed for a phone.
 
2012-08-23 12:01:20 AM

Marine1: People do that shiat all the time. Walking around the department lab here, people have screwed with their task bars in all sorts of ways. There are entire sites dedicated to Windows Explorer customizations. This isn't any different. And let's not forget that all of the shells for Linux are third party software themselves, in effect.


This is the first time in memory that Microsoft has gone out of their way to keep people from disabling Metro.

Pretty shiatty, IMAO.

/Metro is still crap
 
2012-08-23 09:10:10 AM

TsukasaK: Marine1: People do that shiat all the time. Walking around the department lab here, people have screwed with their task bars in all sorts of ways. There are entire sites dedicated to Windows Explorer customizations. This isn't any different. And let's not forget that all of the shells for Linux are third party software themselves, in effect.

This is the first time in memory that Microsoft has gone out of their way to keep people from disabling Metro.

Pretty shiatty, IMAO.

/Metro The interface that shall not be named is still crap


FTFM
 
2012-08-23 10:47:59 AM
Microsoft is apparently making a move to come up with a new name for their oft-maligned interface, formerly known as "Metro"...


blog.vigillo.com
 
2012-08-24 07:22:49 AM

change1211: There's no way that they can make any sort of profit if they start charging $60 per copy.


www.countdowntokittyhawk.com
lolwut?
 
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