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2012-08-21 03:15:48 PM  
Good for them.  That show has just hit rock bottom.  It diserves to go out with a bang.
 
The show is absurd comedy, so lots of options there considering no one will be returning.
 
2012-08-21 03:40:46 PM  
They should have ended it before. It's pathetic as it currently is and I don't see why the writers love Catherine Tate so much.
 
2012-08-21 03:45:35 PM  
Americans just can't fathom having a show with a finite run, with a definite arc with an ending.

British "The Office" knew this. But no, NBC had to grind it into pulp.
 
2012-08-21 03:48:09 PM  
Easy, just fire the Nellie character.  And have Pam lose a few dozen pounds.
 
2012-08-21 03:52:36 PM  

Earguy: Americans just can't fathom having a show with a finite run, with a definite arc with an ending.


We can. It's the network execs who can't. NBC's seem to be especially dense.
 
2012-08-21 04:05:36 PM  

loveblondieo: They should have ended it before. It's pathetic as it currently is and I don't see why the writers love Catherine Tate so much.


Catherine Tate is a farking comedy treasure. They are, sadly, using her skills COMPLETELY wrong on that show. And she looks like a warmed over cadaver after she lost all that weight.

I am interested to see who is behind the documentary. Article says they are going to show who has been doing the filming all this time. I never considered they would reveal that.
 
2012-08-21 04:20:41 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Article says they are going to show who has been doing the filming all this time. I never considered they would reveal that.


It'll be Stephen Merchant and Karl Pilkington.
 
2012-08-21 04:22:08 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I am interested to see who is behind the documentary. Article says they are going to show who has been doing the filming all this time. I never considered they would reveal that.


I'd guess Ricky Gervais, except he has already appeared playing David Brent, so I'm going to guess Martin Freeman. If not him, it'll be some SNL or Judd Apatow related personage.
 
2012-08-21 04:22:11 PM  

Earguy: Americans just can't fathom having a show with a finite run, with a definite arc with an ending.

British "The Office" knew this. But no, NBC had to grind it into pulp.


The Wire, considered by many to be the best american tv show, had a definite arc and ending.
 
2012-08-21 04:22:18 PM  
submitted with a million funnier tags.
 
2012-08-21 04:25:06 PM  
The Office is still on the air? WTF?
 
2012-08-21 04:31:53 PM  
In the spirit of dying American TV shows, it's SPINOFF time!

/pukes
 
2012-08-21 04:41:00 PM  

Carth: Earguy: Americans just can't fathom having a show with a finite run, with a definite arc with an ending.

British "The Office" knew this. But no, NBC had to grind it into pulp.

The Wire, considered by many to be the best american tv show, had a definite arc and ending.


Breaking Bad is ending at 5 on purpose.
 
2012-08-21 04:44:26 PM  
The best way to fix it -- other than cancellation and castrating the writers -- is to fit the director with immovable boxing gloves so he'd leave himself along long enough to hold the camera still. The onanistic lens work on that show would induce a migraine in a statue.
 
2012-08-21 04:45:16 PM  
L O S T ended on purpose as well.
 
2012-08-21 04:47:00 PM  

Philly: In the spirit of dying American TV shows, it's SPINOFF time!

/pukes


Yep. First up is Schrute Farms. I'm sure you've been long wondering about Dwight's family and what's involved in running a beet farm.
 
2012-08-21 04:48:21 PM  
Holy crap, I stopped watching The Office after Jim and Pam got married...then they put Donna from Doctor Who on the show?!?!?!?!!? How did my nerd radar not pick this up...now I gotta slog through the returns, rofl.
 
2012-08-21 04:52:49 PM  

Tarl3k: Holy crap, I stopped watching The Office after Jim and Pam got married...then they put Donna from Doctor Who on the show?!?!?!?!!? How did my nerd radar not pick this up...now I gotta slog through the returns, rofl.


I wouldn't rush. Think more "Donna from the Christmas special" than "Donna from the full-length series". They've tried to humanize her character slightly on The Office, but she is mostly just incredibly obnoxious. And this is coming from someone who thinks Donna was the best modern Who companion and loves the production of Much Ado About Nothing starring her and David Tennant.
 
2012-08-21 04:56:20 PM  

Carth: Earguy: Americans just can't fathom having a show with a finite run, with a definite arc with an ending.

British "The Office" knew this. But no, NBC had to grind it into pulp.

The Wire, considered by many to be the best american tv show, had a definite arc and ending.


No it didn't. HBO cut the episode number for the final season and David Simon put together the worst story arc of the show with the worst characters. It was a big fark you to the audience. We were teased with an investigation into political corruption for 4 seasons then it ended with a blip of the Clay Davis trial with Freamon and Sidnor putting together a paper chase. Some resolution with the Greeks would have been nice too.

Instead we get a season that shows us that the police are corrupt, the press are corrupted and politicians are only out for themselves. It might be true but don't put it on like it is compelling television. The whole newspaper angle was so contrived and self indulgent that David Simon may as well have cast himself as Gus. No one gave a fark about the Baltimore Sun before the final season and no one cared afterwards either.

It only had an ending when HBO told him no more.
 
2012-08-21 04:56:57 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: AdolfOliverPanties: Article says they are going to show who has been doing the filming all this time. I never considered they would reveal that.

It'll be Stephen Merchant and Karl Pilkington.


I really hope that if they do want to reveal who's on the other side of the camera, they tie it back in to the BBC version of The Office.

So what are the odds that the second-to-last or last episode will be a clip show with the cast watching the documentary they've been filming?
 
2012-08-21 05:05:12 PM  

Earguy: Americans just can't fathom having a show with a finite run, with a definite arc with an ending.

British "The Office" knew this. But no, NBC had to grind it into pulp.


That's because the BBC doesn't actually have to make any money on its programming. They could have a channel devoted to nothing but David Cameron pissing on a flaming pile of dollar bills and viewers would still have to pay for it if they wanted to watch anything else on the BBC.
 
2012-08-21 05:05:51 PM  

Faddy: Carth: Earguy: Americans just can't fathom having a show with a finite run, with a definite arc with an ending.

British "The Office" knew this. But no, NBC had to grind it into pulp.

The Wire, considered by many to be the best american tv show, had a definite arc and ending.

No it didn't. HBO cut the episode number for the final season and David Simon put together the worst story arc of the show with the worst characters. It was a big fark you to the audience. We were teased with an investigation into political corruption for 4 seasons then it ended with a blip of the Clay Davis trial with Freamon and Sidnor putting together a paper chase. Some resolution with the Greeks would have been nice too.

Instead we get a season that shows us that the police are corrupt, the press are corrupted and politicians are only out for themselves. It might be true but don't put it on like it is compelling television. The whole newspaper angle was so contrived and self indulgent that David Simon may as well have cast himself as Gus. No one gave a fark about the Baltimore Sun before the final season and no one cared afterwards either.

It only had an ending when HBO told him no more.


In the interviews I read with Simon he said he got exactly the number of episodes he asked for each season including the last and planned it to be a 5 season show. Do you have a link where he talks about how HBO cut him off?
 
2012-08-21 05:15:37 PM  

NeoCortex42: Tarl3k: Holy crap, I stopped watching The Office after Jim and Pam got married...then they put Donna from Doctor Who on the show?!?!?!?!!? How did my nerd radar not pick this up...now I gotta slog through the returns, rofl.

I wouldn't rush. Think more "Donna from the Christmas special" than "Donna from the full-length series". They've tried to humanize her character slightly on The Office, but she is mostly just incredibly obnoxious. And this is coming from someone who thinks Donna was the best modern Who companion and loves the production of Much Ado About Nothing starring her and David Tennant.


Excellent, thank you very much for the warning. I agree with you on her being the best companion and haven't seen the Shakespeare yet...
 
2012-08-21 05:20:14 PM  

pudding7: Easy, just fire the Nellie character.  And have Pam lose a few dozen pounds.


You misspelled "Phyllis" or "Stanley" though I'm not sure why their weight matters either.
 
2012-08-21 05:21:49 PM  

Tarl3k: NeoCortex42: Tarl3k: Holy crap, I stopped watching The Office after Jim and Pam got married...then they put Donna from Doctor Who on the show?!?!?!?!!? How did my nerd radar not pick this up...now I gotta slog through the returns, rofl.

I wouldn't rush. Think more "Donna from the Christmas special" than "Donna from the full-length series". They've tried to humanize her character slightly on The Office, but she is mostly just incredibly obnoxious. And this is coming from someone who thinks Donna was the best modern Who companion and loves the production of Much Ado About Nothing starring her and David Tennant.

Excellent, thank you very much for the warning. I agree with you on her being the best companion and haven't seen the Shakespeare yet...


The Shakespeare play is available from Digital Theatre. It costs a few bucks, but the quality is very good.
 
2012-08-21 05:30:06 PM  

Carth: Faddy: Carth: Earguy: Americans just can't fathom having a show with a finite run, with a definite arc with an ending.

British "The Office" knew this. But no, NBC had to grind it into pulp.

The Wire, considered by many to be the best american tv show, had a definite arc and ending.

No it didn't. HBO cut the episode number for the final season and David Simon put together the worst story arc of the show with the worst characters. It was a big fark you to the audience. We were teased with an investigation into political corruption for 4 seasons then it ended with a blip of the Clay Davis trial with Freamon and Sidnor putting together a paper chase. Some resolution with the Greeks would have been nice too.

Instead we get a season that shows us that the police are corrupt, the press are corrupted and politicians are only out for themselves. It might be true but don't put it on like it is compelling television. The whole newspaper angle was so contrived and self indulgent that David Simon may as well have cast himself as Gus. No one gave a fark about the Baltimore Sun before the final season and no one cared afterwards either.

It only had an ending when HBO told him no more.

In the interviews I read with Simon he said he got exactly the number of episodes he asked for each season including the last and planned it to be a 5 season show. Do you have a link where he talks about how HBO cut him off?


I've never heard this either.  David Simon pretty much had free reign a HBO by that point, and still does.  Treme isn't wildly popular, but its not going away until Simon wants it to (5-6 seasons is the guess.)
 
2012-08-21 05:49:54 PM  
Source

I can't find anything more substantial than this blog written by an insider but in the comments he says the show was cut to 10 episodes from 12 or 13 because HBO didn't want to pay for any more. Now maybe Simon was happy with that but it was strange that the episode number was cut for the last season.

The wider point is that there was hardly an ending for the show, there was a nice montage at the end and McNulty is no longer a cop but things weren't resolved in a satisfactory way. For there to be a proper ending there needs to an over arching plot.

If there is one American show that did have an ending it was The Shield. Nearly all the major storylines came to a head and had a pay off. With The Wire I felt the loose threads were just left hanging and instead we were given a sermon on society by Gus the good newspaper man.
 
2012-08-21 06:01:20 PM  

Faddy: Source

I can't find anything more substantial than this blog written by an insider but in the comments he says the show was cut to 10 episodes from 12 or 13 because HBO didn't want to pay for any more. Now maybe Simon was happy with that but it was strange that the episode number was cut for the last season.

The wider point is that there was hardly an ending for the show, there was a nice montage at the end and McNulty is no longer a cop but things weren't resolved in a satisfactory way. For there to be a proper ending there needs to an over arching plot.

If there is one American show that did have an ending it was The Shield. Nearly all the major storylines came to a head and had a pay off. With The Wire I felt the loose threads were just left hanging and instead we were given a sermon on society by Gus the good newspaper man.


Here is an interview with Simon saying he was offered 8 episodes but said he needed more and they asked him how many. he said 10.5 and they gave it to him. He seemed pretty confident if he asked for 11 or 12 he would have gotten it. Considering they gave him time for Generation Kill and are keeping Treme on despite low ratings I wouldn't be surprised if he is right.

I think the ending was what he wanted revolving some of the bigger plot lines (like having the Greek be captured) would have made the show feel forced and fake. The drug trade keeps going (the kingpins are never caught). McNulty and Marlo both lost their identity, politicians keep lying and the media keeps ignoring what is important. It is a depressing ending but I don't think Simon ever intended it to be anything else.

I
The book The Wire: Truth Be Told is a great accompaniment to the show and talks about why things ended the way they did.
 
2012-08-21 06:08:46 PM  

rugman11: Earguy: Americans just can't fathom having a show with a finite run, with a definite arc with an ending.

British "The Office" knew this. But no, NBC had to grind it into pulp.

That's because the BBC doesn't actually have to make any money on its programming. They could have a channel devoted to nothing but David Cameron pissing on a flaming pile of dollar bills and viewers would still have to pay for it if they wanted to watch anything else on the BBC.


BBC Worldwide is a money-making arm of the organisation that is used to supplement the licence fee to allow all the small-audience programming to be made. They don't have an infinite budget, so they actually do have to make money on programmes when they sell them internationally.
 
2012-08-21 06:14:06 PM  

Spiralmonkey: rugman11: Earguy: Americans just can't fathom having a show with a finite run, with a definite arc with an ending.

British "The Office" knew this. But no, NBC had to grind it into pulp.

That's because the BBC doesn't actually have to make any money on its programming. They could have a channel devoted to nothing but David Cameron pissing on a flaming pile of dollar bills and viewers would still have to pay for it if they wanted to watch anything else on the BBC.

BBC Worldwide is a money-making arm of the organisation that is used to supplement the licence fee to allow all the small-audience programming to be made. They don't have an infinite budget, so they actually do have to make money on programmes when they sell them internationally.


Fair enough, but my point remains that the BBC has a vastly different funding structure which allows it to be far more flexible and experimental with its programming than most American networks.
 
2012-08-21 06:16:00 PM  
I vote they cancel NBC instead.
 
2012-08-21 06:19:46 PM  
The Office should have stopped around 5 or 6 seasons, and Michael shouldn't have left. One of the big themes of the show was how Michael was the Peter Principle crystallized; for him to escape gives him a happy ending he never should have had. The show should have ended with Michael sitting in his office, in perpetuity.

Further, Michael and Dwight were kind of analogous to Bush and Cheney: a nincompoop with too much power who'd rather be liked than respected, and his sycophantic underling with untrustworthy ambitions. When Bush left office, the show lost some metaphorical resonance (damn you, Obama!)
 
2012-08-21 06:23:49 PM  

Carth: Here is an interview with Simon saying he was offered 8 episodes but said he needed more and they asked him how many. he said 10.5 and they gave it to him. He seemed pretty confident if he asked for 11 or 12 he would have gotten it. Considering they gave him time for Generation Kill and are keeping Treme on despite low ratings I wouldn't be surprised if he is right.



Yes, HBO is known for keeping quality programming even if the ratings aren't through the roof.  Then, when introducing a new series their viewers have greater trust in HBO.  I'm a huge fan of Treme (well, I'm living in New Orleans, so its kinda targeted to me)... but because of that I'm more willing to try a new show if its on HBO as compared to NBC.
 
2012-08-21 06:26:11 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: The Office should have stopped around 5 or 6 seasons, and Michael shouldn't have left. One of the big themes of the show was how Michael was the Peter Principle crystallized; for him to escape gives him a happy ending he never should have had. The show should have ended with Michael sitting in his office, in perpetuity.

Further, Michael and Dwight were kind of analogous to Bush and Cheney: a nincompoop with too much power who'd rather be liked than respected, and his sycophantic underling with untrustworthy ambitions. When Bush left office, the show lost some metaphorical resonance (damn you, Obama!)


Although, that did give us one of the best episodes of the show...the Superbowl one where Dwight starts a fire and Stanley has a heart attack.

/STANLEY, YOU WILL NOT DIE
//BARACK IS PRESIDENT
 
2012-08-21 06:29:44 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: AdolfOliverPanties: Article says they are going to show who has been doing the filming all this time. I never considered they would reveal that.

It'll be Stephen Merchant and Karl Pilkington.


That would be awesome. Unfortunately, since almost no one in America knows who they are, I doubt we're going to get that.
 
2012-08-21 06:40:17 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: The Office should have stopped around 5 or 6 seasons, and Michael shouldn't have left. One of the big themes of the show was how Michael was the Peter Principle crystallized; for him to escape gives him a happy ending he never should have had. The show should have ended with Michael sitting in his office, in perpetuity.

Further, Michael and Dwight were kind of analogous to Bush and Cheney: a nincompoop with too much power who'd rather be liked than respected, and his sycophantic underling with untrustworthy ambitions. When Bush left office, the show lost some metaphorical resonance (damn you, Obama!)


Another theme I was hoping they'd follow up on, but they seem to have tossed, is the idea of Jim slowly turning into Michael. His slow realization that this is his career, and that once he's made manager, he really isn't all that different from Michael.
 
2012-08-21 06:43:34 PM  
I believe they should've ended it after the 4th season. After season 4 the show I feel lost its cohesiveness. Felt very fragmented and plot lines were weak. It did have great episodes here and there but didn't work as whole seasons. I'm glad they want it to end and will watch this one as well.

/Has all season DVDs.
 
2012-08-21 06:52:00 PM  
My take.

Jim and Pam have won a couple of million dollars in the state lottery. After the sudden departure of Kelly and a few others, the office is in serious danger of shutting down throwing long time friends and rivals out of work. Jim, Pam and Dwight offer to buy a stake in Dunder Mifflin as long as Michael Scott becomes the full time CEO, working out of his satellite office in Colorado.
Meanwhile, Jim and Pam briefly separate, and it's up to Aaron and Andy to keep them together.
Phyllis has decided to retire and concentrate on becoming an adoptive parent to a little boy from Africa.
Kelly and Ryan have left the office and are concentrating on a series of instructional sex videos that a selling well on the internet. Realizing Ryans dream of becoming wealthy when they parlay their fortune into a porn empire.
Andy and Aaron find true love at last, and shows ends with their wedding and Aaron discovering her long lost mother is really Michael Scotts mother as well. She gave up Aaron just before her wedding to Michael Scotts step dad.
 
2012-08-21 07:02:35 PM  

NeoCortex42:
Another theme I was hoping they'd follow up on, but they seem to have tossed, is the idea of Jim slowly turning into Michael. His slow realization that this is his career, and that once he's made manager, he really isn't all that different from Michael.


I've been wondering how that's going to effect the ending. Clearly Daniels has some plan for giving Jim & Pam a happy ending but, given what we know about them, I'm not sure what it is. My guess is that Jim will end up taking a promotion either in Scranton or in Tallahassee but, with regard to that theme, he'll be able to able to do the one thing Michael never could: understand that his job is just a job, it doesn't define him. Jim will never become Michael because he understands that his work is not his home and that his coworkers are not his family. He has a life and a family so he doesn't need his job to be anything more than the thing that gives him money. It's kind of a bittersweet ending in that he's not doing something he loves (though we don't really know much about Jim at all outside of the office) but Michael's ending was kind of the same way and I think it fits the show's personality.
 
2012-08-21 07:45:29 PM  

pudding7: Easy, just fire the Nellie character.


Preferably out of a cannon.

The last season would have been watchable, even enjoyable, if it weren't for her and Robert California.
 
2012-08-21 07:47:42 PM  
I think Im the only human who has honestly enjoyed the series the entire run.
 
2012-08-21 07:57:34 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: AdolfOliverPanties: Article says they are going to show who has been doing the filming all this time. I never considered they would reveal that.

It'll be Stephen Merchant and Karl Pilkington.


It would be great to see Merchant and Gervais highlighted somehow. Pilk-boys had no connection to The Office, but I will use any excuse to see him in anything.

/has ~120 hours of Merchant/Gervais/Pilkington XFM radio shows and podcasts
//been listening to it on a loop for 5 years, couple of hours a day at work
 
2012-08-21 08:42:36 PM  

NeoCortex42: Another theme I was hoping they'd follow up on, but they seem to have tossed, is the idea of Jim slowly turning into Michael. His slow realization that this is his career, and that once he's made manager, he really isn't all that different from Michael.


Big farking this. The parallels between Jim and Michael were like the show's built in horror elements.
 
2012-08-21 09:05:40 PM  

vd61: I think Im the only human who has honestly enjoyed the series the entire run.


I really enjoy it too...and I HATE sitcoms.
 
2012-08-21 10:07:44 PM  

downstairs: Good for them.  That show has just hit rock bottom.  It diserves to go out with a bang.
 
The show is absurd comedy, so lots of options there considering no one will be returning.


See, two years ago this was true, but the last two seasons have been better, so to me this sounds like whining from someone who doesn't actually watch.
 
2012-08-21 10:13:04 PM  

Endive Wombat: vd61: I think Im the only human who has honestly enjoyed the series the entire run.

I really enjoy it too...and I HATE sitcoms.


Me too
 
2012-08-21 10:14:16 PM  

Earguy: Americans just can't fathom having a show with a finite run, with a definite arc with an ending.

British "The Office" knew this. But no, NBC had to grind it into pulp.


The Office is still one of NBC's highest rated and most profitable scripted shows.Knowing that and considering that NBC pretty much has nothing else, at least nothing else that people watch, why wouldn't they run it into the ground.

That said Greg Daniels is my comedy writing hero (even though I am not a writer). I mean the guy went to Harvard where he was best friends with Conan O'brien. Then they graduated and moved to LA and got jobs writing for the Simpsons where he wrote some classic episodes. Then he helped Mike Judge develop King of the Hill, and was so instrumental in its development that Judge said he could receive credit as co-creator. Then he developed the US version of The Office, and co-created Parks and Recreation. I mean can you have a better resume as a TV comedy writer?
 
2012-08-21 10:50:25 PM  
They just need to show Pam's titties more. Have another beach day with her in a bikini, or a night out with her bouncing around in a halter top. The blond chick too.
 
2012-08-22 12:17:14 AM  

Mr. Chainsaw: pudding7: Easy, just fire the Nellie character. 

Preferably out of a cannon.

The last season would have been watchable, even enjoyable, if it weren't for her and Robert California.


Agreed on Nellie, but Robert California was so delightfully weird. I loved him.
 
2012-08-22 02:52:18 AM  
I liked Robert California. He thrilled me during the episode with all of the interviews for Michael's spot. I was less thrilled during the next season, but never disappointed enough to give up on him. I wish they'd done more with him.

Nellie wasn't a great fit, although I think she's a fantastic comedienne.

Despite its less-than-stellar last few seasons, I'm pretty sure I'll always have a soft spot for the show. Creed was the shiznit.
 
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