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2012-08-21 01:58:43 PM  
Participants' impressions fell in line with their ideology. For example, conservatives expressed more prejudice than liberals against groups that were identified as liberal (e.g., African-Americans, homosexuals), but less prejudice against groups identified as conservative (e.g., Christian fundamentalists, business people).

So Republicans (they are not really conservatives) are prejudiced against gays and blacks not because they are bigoted shiat-stains but because politics?

Wow, that is FAIL so big it blocks out the whole sky.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-21 02:05:56 PM  

quatchi: Participants' impressions fell in line with their ideology. For example, conservatives expressed more prejudice than liberals against groups that were identified as liberal (e.g., African-Americans, homosexuals), but less prejudice against groups identified as conservative (e.g., Christian fundamentalists, business people).

So Republicans (they are not really conservatives) are prejudiced against gays and blacks not because they are bigoted shiat-stains but because politics?

Wow, that is FAIL so big it blocks out the whole sky.


I don't think the article was solely about racial prejudice., but prejudice in general.
 
2012-08-21 02:08:02 PM  
In the second and third studies, participants were presented with 6 divisive political issues and descriptions of racially diverse target persons for each issue. Neither liberals' nor conservatives' impressions of the target persons were affected by the race of the target, but both were strongly influenced by the target's political attitudes. 

See? No one "sees" color. But everybody sure as shiat sees teammates.
 
2012-08-21 02:12:44 PM  

vpb: quatchi: Participants' impressions fell in line with their ideology. For example, conservatives expressed more prejudice than liberals against groups that were identified as liberal (e.g., African-Americans, homosexuals), but less prejudice against groups identified as conservative (e.g., Christian fundamentalists, business people).

So Republicans (they are not really conservatives) are prejudiced against gays and blacks not because they are bigoted shiat-stains but because politics?

Wow, that is FAIL so big it blocks out the whole sky.

I don't think the article was solely about racial prejudice., but prejudice in general.


He's a liberal. He fails at reading comprehension unless it fits in with his confirmation bias.

The title of the actual press release for the study sums it up pretty succintly: Liberals and Conservatives Both Prejudiced Against Groups with Opposing Values
 
2012-08-21 02:30:48 PM  

Lsherm: The title of the actual press release for the study sums it up pretty succintly: Liberals and Conservatives Both Prejudiced Against Groups with Opposing Values


That's not prejudice, that's just judging someone based on their beliefs. Which I feel is one of the most valid ways to judge someone.
 
2012-08-21 02:34:12 PM  

Lsherm: The title of the actual press release for the study sums it up pretty succintly: Liberals and Conservatives Both Prejudiced Against Groups with Opposing Values


...although possibly not quite accurately in that summation. The abstract from the "journal references" paper actually says:

Myrdal (1944) described the "American dilemma" as the conflict between abstract national values ("liberty and justice for all") and more concrete, everyday prejudices. We leveraged construal-level theory to empirically test Myrdal's proposition that construal level (abstract vs. concrete) can influence prejudice. We measured individual differences in construal level (Study 1) and manipulated construal level (Studies 2 and 3); across these three studies, we found that adopting an abstract mind-set heightened conservatives' tolerance for groups that are perceived as deviating from Judeo-Christian values (gay men, lesbians, Muslims, and atheists). Among participants who adopted a concrete mind-set, conservatives were less tolerant of these nonnormative groups than liberals were, but political orientation did not have a reliable effect on tolerance among participants who adopted an abstract mind-set. Attitudes toward racial out-groups and dominant groups (e.g., Whites, Christians) were unaffected by construal level. In Study 3, we found that the effect of abstract thinking on prejudice was mediated by an increase in concerns about fairness.
www.phdcomics.com


In short, it looks like prejudice results at least in part from difficulties with abstract reasoning... which may occur more often but not exclusively on the conservative side of the political spectrum. This would appear to fit in somewhat with previous studies correlating the "high-RWA" mindset with (in the US and Canada) political conservatism and with poor abstract reasoning skills.

However, that's just from glancing at the abstract; I won't be able to check the actual paper for at least a few hours.
 
2012-08-21 02:43:11 PM  

MacEnvy: Lsherm: The title of the actual press release for the study sums it up pretty succintly: Liberals and Conservatives Both Prejudiced Against Groups with Opposing Values

That's not prejudice, that's just judging someone based on their beliefs. Which I feel is one of the most valid ways to judge someone.


Excuse me, FTFA: "In the second and third studies, participants were presented with 6 divisive political issues and descriptions of racially diverse target persons for each issue. Neither liberals' nor conservatives' impressions of the target persons were affected by the race of the target, but both were strongly influenced by the target's political attitudes"

You see Republicans prejudge blacks and gays, until they hear their individual political belief.
But liberals prejudge Christian fundamentalists and business people, after they learn their individual political belief.
 
2012-08-21 02:44:38 PM  

impaler: MacEnvy: Lsherm: The title of the actual press release for the study sums it up pretty succintly: Liberals and Conservatives Both Prejudiced Against Groups with Opposing Values

That's not prejudice, that's just judging someone based on their beliefs. Which I feel is one of the most valid ways to judge someone.

Excuse me, FTFA: "In the second and third studies, participants were presented with 6 divisive political issues and descriptions of racially diverse target persons for each issue. Neither liberals' nor conservatives' impressions of the target persons were affected by the race of the target, but both were strongly influenced by the target's political attitudes"

You see Republicans prejudge blacks and gays, until they hear their individual political belief.
But liberals prejudge Christian fundamentalists and business people, after they learn their individual political belief.


This.
 
2012-08-21 02:54:42 PM  

impaler: MacEnvy: Lsherm: The title of the actual press release for the study sums it up pretty succintly: Liberals and Conservatives Both Prejudiced Against Groups with Opposing Values

That's not prejudice, that's just judging someone based on their beliefs. Which I feel is one of the most valid ways to judge someone.

Excuse me, FTFA: "In the second and third studies, participants were presented with 6 divisive political issues and descriptions of racially diverse target persons for each issue. Neither liberals' nor conservatives' impressions of the target persons were affected by the race of the target, but both were strongly influenced by the target's political attitudes"

You see Republicans prejudge blacks and gays, until they hear their individual political belief.
But liberals prejudge Christian fundamentalists and business people, after they learn their individual political belief.


I have no idea what you're saying here. Joke?
 
2012-08-21 02:57:37 PM  

Lsherm: He's a liberal. He fails at reading comprehension unless it fits in with his confirmation bias.

The title of the actual press release for the study sums it up pretty succintly: Liberals and Conservatives Both Prejudiced Against Groups with Opposing Values



Leave it to a Republican to only read the headline.

Rather, the conflicting values of liberals and conservatives give rise to different kinds of prejudice, with each group favoring other social groups that share their values.

Hence, Republicans favor the values of Ward and June Cleaver whereas Liberals are a more diverse sort.
 
2012-08-21 03:50:06 PM  
Research has associated political conservatism with prejudice toward various stereotyped groups. But research has also shown that people select and interpret evidence consistent with their own pre-existing attitudes and ideologies. In this article, Chambers and colleagues hypothesized that, contrary to what some research might indicate, prejudice is not restricted to a particular political ideology.

Am I the only one that read this as "Everyone knows Republicans are racist, but after painstaking research we have discovered that some Democrats may also be racist"?
 
2012-08-21 03:55:54 PM  
But research has also shown that people select and interpret evidence consistent with their own pre-existing attitudes and ideologies.

So many conservatives in ability to understand facts and separate them from their fantasies are due to their pre-existing attitudes of bigotry and ignorance? I could have told you that without a study.
 
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2012-08-21 03:56:10 PM  

sprawl15: Research has associated political conservatism with prejudice toward various stereotyped groups. But research has also shown that people select and interpret evidence consistent with their own pre-existing attitudes and ideologies. In this article, Chambers and colleagues hypothesized that, contrary to what some research might indicate, prejudice is not restricted to a particular political ideology.

Am I the only one that read this as "Everyone knows Republicans are racist, but after painstaking research we have discovered that some Democrats may also be racist"?


Yes, I think so.
 
2012-08-21 03:56:28 PM  

impaler: You see Republicans prejudge blacks and gays, until they hear their individual political belief, after which they prejudge them on their political beliefs
But liberals prejudge Christian fundamentalists and business people, after they learn their individual political belief.


FTFY. Conservatives prejudge people because of ethnic group or orientation. Both conservatives and liberals judge people based on political beliefs.
 
2012-08-21 03:57:49 PM  

quatchi: So Republicans (they are not really conservatives) are prejudiced against gays and blacks not because they are bigoted shiat-stains but because politics?

Wow, that is FAIL so big it blocks out the whole sky.


I don't think that's the point of the article. It's about how a target's political beliefs can bias an observer who is sympathetic to those beliefs.

I don't think it should be terribly surprising to anybody that people are biased more toward people they feel a common bond with, though. That human beings tend to support and defend other, like human beings is hardly a novel discovery.
 
2012-08-21 04:01:06 PM  
Humans tend to gather in groups that share the same values and ideas. Ric Romero reporting. Film at 11.
 
2012-08-21 04:02:00 PM  

quatchi: Republicans (they are not really conservatives)


Republicans are not conservatives in the same way that quatchi is not an idiot.

Own it. Own them.
 
2012-08-21 04:04:21 PM  

James F. Campbell: Own them.


OMG SLAVERY
JFC WANTS Y'ALL IN CHAINS
 
2012-08-21 04:10:42 PM  

Epoch_Zero: JFC WANTS Y'ALL IN CHAINS


Just the women, please.
 
2012-08-21 04:10:48 PM  
The study, as described, appears to say very little about perceived racial bias. It would be interesting to note, for example, how each of the "racially diverse" persons were introduced to the subjects.

Was it a photo paired with the belief caption? And, if so, were they instantaneous? Was it a descriptive paragraph of a person including race and belief system? Were there videos? And what were the questions the subjects were supposed to answer. Was it like: "This black person wearing glasses believes Conservative things. Is this black person wearing glasses a Conservative? Yes/No" or was it like: "This person believes Conservative things. Is this person more likely to be a white lawyer or a black plowman?"
 
2012-08-21 04:13:48 PM  
I am a fairly liberal white guy (pro-choice, pro guns, pro healthcare), but if I see a young black person I don't know walking through my neighborhood in the rain, wearing a hooding and drinking tea; I keep my eyes on him. Not because of his political ideology, but because of my prejudgement.
 
2012-08-21 04:13:57 PM  

James F. Campbell: Just the women, please.


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I like your thinking
 
2012-08-21 04:16:47 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: I am a fairly liberal white guy (pro-choice, pro guns, pro healthcare), but if I see a young black person I don't know walking through my neighborhood in the rain, wearing a hooding and drinking tea; I keep my eyes on him. Not because of his political ideology, but because of my prejudgement.


I too fear the tea drinkers.

/they raped my mother
//and kept my father up all night
 
2012-08-21 04:27:22 PM  

impaler: MacEnvy: Lsherm: The title of the actual press release for the study sums it up pretty succintly: Liberals and Conservatives Both Prejudiced Against Groups with Opposing Values

That's not prejudice, that's just judging someone based on their beliefs. Which I feel is one of the most valid ways to judge someone.

Excuse me, FTFA: "In the second and third studies, participants were presented with 6 divisive political issues and descriptions of racially diverse target persons for each issue. Neither liberals' nor conservatives' impressions of the target persons were affected by the race of the target, but both were strongly influenced by the target's political attitudes"

You see Republicans prejudge blacks and gays, until they hear their individual political belief.
But liberals prejudge Christian fundamentalists and business people, after they learn their individual political belief.


Not me. I prejudge everyone ahead of time as useless wastes of oxygen, and then I decide if I even want to get as far as their political beliefs.

It saves me lots of time.
 
2012-08-21 04:28:29 PM  
Honestly, the hard truth is that the Republican party needs to be defeated, and yes, we would have one-party rule for awhile until the people of the United States get off their asses and form another viable political party.

It just doesn't get any simpler than that.
 
2012-08-21 04:30:43 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: I am a fairly liberal white guy (pro-choice, pro guns, pro healthcare), but if I see a young black person I don't know walking through my neighborhood in the rain, wearing a hooding and drinking tea; I keep my eyes on him. Not because of his political ideology, but because of my prejudgement.


I used to feel that way too until the white kid broke into my house, and the white sex offender was arrested in my yard.
 
2012-08-21 04:45:16 PM  

ghare: TrollingForColumbine: I am a fairly liberal white guy (pro-choice, pro guns, pro healthcare), but if I see a young black person I don't know walking through my neighborhood in the rain, wearing a hooding and drinking tea; I keep my eyes on him. Not because of his political ideology, but because of my prejudgement.

I used to feel that way too until the white kid broke into my house, and the white sex offender was arrested in my yard.


So now you prejudge everyone? Probably the best policy.
 
2012-08-21 04:47:11 PM  

Epoch_Zero: TrollingForColumbine: I am a fairly liberal white guy (pro-choice, pro guns, pro healthcare), but if I see a young black person I don't know walking through my neighborhood in the rain, wearing a hooding and drinking tea; I keep my eyes on him. Not because of his political ideology, but because of my prejudgement.

I too fear the tea drinkers.

/they raped my mother
//and kept my father up all night


Squeeze Box?
 
2012-08-21 05:00:13 PM  
Everyone knows how conservatives are more moral than liberals. But how you consider "purity" and "respect for authority" moral needs to be explained.
 
2012-08-21 05:01:29 PM  

James F. Campbell: Republicans are not conservatives in the same way that quatchi is not an idiot. Own it. Own them.


Damn, you couldn't have misread Quatchi's post any worse if you tried.

1. He's neither a conservative nor a Republican; he's as libby as we are.

2. He simply meant that Republicans don't really fit the definition of conservative (which is true, they lean more fascist).
 
2012-08-21 05:02:05 PM  
Since when did "I dislike people of a certain profession" become the same as "I dislike people who are born a certain way".

Its much more likely that people of the same chosen profession or religious identity are similar, given that those are CHOICES that the person makes.
 
2012-08-21 05:02:24 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: James F. Campbell: Republicans are not conservatives in the same way that quatchi is not an idiot. Own it. Own them.

Damn, you couldn't have misread Quatchi's post any worse if you tried.

1. He's neither a conservative nor a Republican; he's as libby as we are.

2. He simply meant that Republicans don't really fit the definition of conservative (which is true, they lean more fascist).


I don't think he heard you over the sound of his tiny fists clenching.
 
2012-08-21 05:03:26 PM  
So rightists are bigots, and liberals judge people based on their actual behavior and beliefs.

But both sides come to some sort of judgement, so they're the same.
 
2012-08-21 05:04:38 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: James F. Campbell: Republicans are not conservatives in the same way that quatchi is not an idiot. Own it. Own them.

Damn, you couldn't have misread Quatchi's post any worse if you tried.

1. He's neither a conservative nor a Republican; he's as libby as we are.

2. He simply meant that Republicans don't really fit the definition of conservative (which is true, they lean more fascist).


Pretty much, they have pulled so far to the right that Ronald Reagan would run as a Democrat. Anti-Labor Laws, Anti-Women, Voter Suppression, Nationalism, Church/State are United, Pro-Corporation, Pro-Punishment, Anti-Public Assistance, Anti-Intellectual, and DOUBLESPEAK........so farking much DOUBLESPEAK.
 
2012-08-21 05:16:19 PM  

raanne: Its much more likely that people of the same chosen profession or religious identity are similar, given that those are CHOICES that the person makes.



I guess this would apply to the gays too then.

/Runs away
 
2012-08-21 05:32:49 PM  
For example, conservatives expressed more prejudice than liberals against groups that were identified as liberal (e.g., African-Americans, homosexuals), but less prejudice against groups identified as conservative (e.g., Christian fundamentalists, business people).

So, let me get this straight...the article can't seriously be trying to create a false equivalence between bigots who are prejudiced against people based on characteristics like race or sexual orientation and people who are prejudiced against groups that generally tend to be bigots and deny disadvantaged groups rights and the people who are largely responsible for the growing wage gap and offshoring of jobs that are destroying the middle class?

Right wing trolls make the "you're bigoted against bigots" arguments plenty of times here on Fark, but I never expected it to be taken seriously.
 
2012-08-21 05:45:14 PM  
This just in: the more ignorant one is, the more prejudiced one is likely to be - fear of the unknown and misunderstood and all that.

Ergo, ideologies that place emphasis old and busted ideas rather than discovering new and improved methodologies will by nature encourage ignorance, and hence prejudice.
 
2012-08-21 06:27:44 PM  
In this article, Chambers and colleagues hypothesized that, contrary to what some research might indicate, prejudice is not restricted to a particular political ideology.

What research might indicate that prejudice is restricted to a particular political ideology? That is a serious question. I have read a lot of research in this precise domain, and I have never come across a single article that even implies that. Either the research focus was only interested in examining one political ideology or they examined multiple ideologies and tend to find a greater or lesser degree in one or another party, but never a complete absence.
 
2012-08-21 06:47:41 PM  
Umm, everyone has lots of prejudices, and if you don't think you have that just means you are letting your subconscious and all the built in and learnt "rules of thumb" that have been drilled into it control your behavior without thinking about it consciously. Of course most of your prejudices are useful in most circumstances, and the majority of them aren't particularly harmful - consider the example of most people talking about the refereeing decisions during a sport event when you don't favor either team and it should be quickly apparent how widespread prejudices are and how much they impact what you see, what things you remember and the bits you forget as they don't fit the narrative, allowing you to see what you want to see.

Some prejudices are not so innocent and harmless - the obvious one to consider is racial prejudice against blacks as it is such a key part of the social and economic history of the US, and so is very well known and researched. We can say for example that currently if you are black, you have about half the chance of getting the same job as a white person with the same qualifications, education and work experience (which has been tested many times by sending fake resumes with white sounding/black sounding names but otherwise identical details to potential employers and recording how many of each were asked to interview).

The interesting thing to consider is that prejudices like this are massively damaging (to society as a whole, as well as the individuals/groups on the wrong side of the prejudice) even when they are accurate to the current situation - if in a hypothetical world every white man was a criminal, and therefore no one would employ them, or associate with them, then their only rational option to survive is to live in a ghetto together and continue to be criminals. Without the prejudice they have the option of changing their ways and improving their lives. The only value in a prejudice along these lines would be if literally everyone in the group was born as a criminal, which doesn't stand up to even trivial consideration, otherwise it generates a self reinforcing spiral where everyone loses - some a lot more than others, but everyone is worse off as you lose the potential for greatness, and by guarantee a lot of economic losers and criminality that isn't necessary, you place an extra burden on everyone in terms of tax needed for policing, lost opportunities for tax on the ones that could have succeeded if not for prejudice, etc.

So I don't really see this as a false equivalence but rather the recognition of a basic fact of life - prejudice is endemic, and everyone should be aware of it and try to reduce the amount of times they let them rule their actions. Of course there are certain prejudices that are much more important to deal with as they are so costly, dangerous and prevalent, but if we ever get a handle on them then there are plenty of others, and even if you really aren't prejudiced against blacks/gays/mexicans or whatever - and most of us still are, as it is programmed into most of us to a greater or lesser extent as we grow up, and if you don't continually override those ingrained responses you probably act based on such prejudices at times, just you don't notice it, after all most racists aren't continually thinking about how they can hurt black people, they are just reacting in the way they were trained to growing up.
 
2012-08-21 07:19:15 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: So rightists are bigots, and liberals judge people based on their actual behavior and beliefs.

But both sides come to some sort of judgement, so they're the same.


Because judging people is wrong. It's so wrong that even a trial by jury is suspect if they actually reach a conclusion.
 
2012-08-21 09:22:30 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: 1. He's neither a conservative nor a Republican; he's as libby as we are.


Fair enough.

Fluorescent Testicle: 2. He simply meant that Republicans don't really fit the definition of conservative (which is true, they lean more fascist).


Conservatives are fascist. They are authoritarian. Don't allow them to redefine themselves as something they aren't.

whidbey: I don't think he heard you over the sound of his tiny fists clenching.


I think you mean tiny robot fists, thank you very much.
 
2012-08-21 11:18:11 PM  
The Democratic party has always been the party of bigotry and racism in America. That has not changed, they are more intolerant than ever.
 
2012-08-24 04:10:58 PM  

abb3w: the "journal references" paper


...is not the paper that the story is actually based on (D'oh!), but rather one which seems to be here. Correct abstract:

In three studies, we tested whether prejudice derives from perceived similarities and dissimilarities in political ideologies. Across three diverse samples in Study 1, conservatives expressed more prejudice than liberals against groups that were identified as liberal (e.g., African-Americans, homosexuals), but less prejudice against groups identified as conservative (e.g., Christian fundamentalists, business people). Studies 2 and 3 independently manipulated a target's race (European-American or African-American) and political attitudes (liberal or conservative). Both studies found symmetrical preferences, with liberals and conservatives each liking attitudinally similar targets and disliking dissimilar targets. The amount of prejudice was comparable for liberals and conservatives, and race of the target had no effect. In all three studies, the patterns were obtained even after controlling for individual differences on prejudice related dimensions (e.g., system justification, social dominance orientation, modern racism). The patterns strongly support the ideological similarity-dissimilarity hypothesis and indicate that prejudice exists on both sides of the political spectrum.


I'll note they also controlled for RWA as well as SDO in Sample 1 of Study 1. However, their measure of "prejudice" seems a little odd.

Emposter: So, let me get this straight...the article can't seriously be trying to create a false equivalence between bigots who are prejudiced against people based on characteristics like race or sexual orientation and people who are prejudiced against groups that generally tend to be bigots and deny disadvantaged groups rights and the people who are largely responsible for the growing wage gap and offshoring of jobs that are destroying the middle class?


Actually, the journal article notes that conservative "prejudice" seems stronger against voluntary membership groups (EG: feminists) than involuntary membership groups (EG: women).

However, they seem to treat "prejudice" as "negative attitudes", rather than "attributing positive or negative traits without justification".
 
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