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(Washington Post)   Niall Ferguson: I'm not lying. I'm very carefully trying to mislead my readers. There's a difference   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 107
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2012-08-21 09:57:31 AM  
I wanna see a Krugman v. Ferguson in a Thunderdome-esque cage match.

Two pundits enter, one leaves.

/Who runs Pundit-town?
 
2012-08-21 09:58:07 AM  
Fark you, you lying sack of shiat. Your entire article was a load of crap, and I could tell just from reading the first page.

Yes, usually I would read (or at least skim) the whole thing to confirm my suspicions, but the first page was so bad, I already knew the rest would be junk.
 
2012-08-21 10:01:14 AM  
By the way, I found this paragraph extremely important:

If Ferguson's theory had passed its previous tests and we had evidence that the debt is what's holding back our economy, perhaps that would be a reasonable prediction. But Ferguson's theory failed its previous tests, and there's no evidence that debt is what's holding back our economy right now. Which is one more thing Ferguson never tells you.

In other words, Turd Ferguson is the economics version of Bill Kristol or Dick Morris: He is wrong virtually all of the time.
 
2012-08-21 10:09:00 AM  
If the world of academia and Newsweek want to keep any shreds of credibility, they need to can his ass - now.
 
2012-08-21 10:10:53 AM  
The link in the article to the Atlantic piece is well worth the read. It absolutly destroys Ferguson.
 
2012-08-21 10:13:49 AM  
Well, he is preaching to a party that seems to prefer lies these days.
 
2012-08-21 10:15:26 AM  

Dinki: The link in the article to the Atlantic piece is well worth the read. It absolutly destroys Ferguson.


FTL "spadework": Celebrity historian Niall Ferguson doesn't like President Obama, and doesn't think you should either

Ouch.
 
2012-08-21 10:16:06 AM  
how does a piece-of-shiat partisan liar like ferguson still have a job at harvard?
 
2012-08-21 10:16:20 AM  

FishyFred: If Ferguson's theory had passed its previous tests and we had evidence that the debt is what's holding back our economy,


The question is "what debt" we're talking about: public vs. private. I think most people agree that private debt is what's holding consumers back from spending more, due to excessive levels of credit and mortgage debt taken out during the "good" years. Public debt, ie the 15$ trillion, isn't really making people decide to buy store brand over luxury brand cheddar cheese, or whatever example you want to choose. Unfortunately, that's the only debt R's want to talk about, and the head of Fannie & Freddie won't listen to pleas to write down mortgage principal to stimulate the economy. Pretty farking sad.
 
2012-08-21 10:18:50 AM  

FishyFred: In other words, Turd Ferguson is the economics version of Bill Kristol or Dick Morris: He is wrong virtually all of the time.


He's like the Brit Bill Kristol? Lawls. Works for me.

Ferige was one of the first pundits to back the Iraq War who remains unapologetic about it to this day.

He still thinks Kissinger was a really smart fellow and currently is writing what he calls a "warts and all" biography that I suspect will turn out to be the literary equivalent of a Rusty Trombone.

He wrote a book on race and class in which he had a sad over what he termed the 'de-Christianization of Europe'.

He's advocated for privatizing Medicare/Medicaid before and is a proponent of the so-called Fair tax.

In short, yeah he's wrong a lot of the time.
 
2012-08-21 10:19:17 AM  
Niall please.
 
2012-08-21 10:22:13 AM  
maybe this affair will expose ferguson for the lazy, manipulative shill he really is. i'm guessing he won't see too many BBC documentaries from here on out.
 
2012-08-21 10:24:02 AM  

FishyFred: Fark you, you lying sack of shiat. Your entire article was a load of crap, and I could tell just from reading the first page.

Yes, usually I would read (or at least skim) the whole thing to confirm my suspicions, but the first page was so bad, I already knew the rest would be junk.


And fark Newsweek too, for their "we don't factcheck, we rely on our authors to do all that" lazy-ass, cheapskate, half-witted policy that led to this in the first place.
 
2012-08-21 10:24:46 AM  

Ferguson: "I don't think you can claim this undermines my academic reputation." ...Dude, you EDITED THE CBO REPORT to CHANGE ITS MEANING.

- Dylan Byers (@DylanByers) August 21, 2012
 
2012-08-21 10:26:38 AM  
A Harvard professor repeats the lie that only half of us are paying taxes. I don't think you can even get away with that in a high school essay.
 
2012-08-21 10:38:58 AM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: FishyFred: If Ferguson's theory had passed its previous tests and we had evidence that the debt is what's holding back our economy,

The question is "what debt" we're talking about: public vs. private


"THE debt," not "debt," "THE debt."

Obviously public.
 
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2012-08-21 10:52:37 AM  

sweetmelissa31: A Harvard professor repeats the lie that only half of us are paying taxes. I don't think you can even get away with that in a high school essay.


Well, high schools have standards, so it's not really a fair comparison.
 
2012-08-21 10:56:56 AM  
Nice little aside on the state of modern print journalism:

Krugman is correct - the magazine, like many others, does not have a fact-checking department. "We, like other news organisations today, rely on our writers to submit factually accurate material," Newsweek spokesman Andrew Kirk told POLITICO.
 
2012-08-21 10:59:00 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: FishyFred: Fark you, you lying sack of shiat. Your entire article was a load of crap, and I could tell just from reading the first page.

Yes, usually I would read (or at least skim) the whole thing to confirm my suspicions, but the first page was so bad, I already knew the rest would be junk.

And fark Newsweek too, for their "we don't factcheck, we rely on our authors to do all that" lazy-ass, cheapskate, half-witted policy that led to this in the first place.


and if you are going to have a policy of not fact-checking your cover stories, don't invite people with obvious partisan agendas to write your cover stories.
 
2012-08-21 11:00:29 AM  

Lumpmoose: Nice little aside on the state of modern print journalism:

Krugman is correct - the magazine, like many others, does not have a fact-checking department. "We, like other news organisations today, rely on our writers to submit factually accurate material," Newsweek spokesman Andrew Kirk told POLITICO.


That's kind of sad, but they still have editors and I presume those editors are up on current events and have functioning brains. The article was transparently false. Plainly false. And it's not just that it's wrong. It flew so much in the face of conventional wisdom and widely-known facts that I can't believe nobody raised red flags.

The editors of Newsweek should be ashamed of their work.
 
2012-08-21 11:02:15 AM  
He's a history professor. A history professor who got famous with a ridiculous counter-factual history gimmick.

Why the merry fark does anyone listen to him on economics?
 
2012-08-21 11:05:13 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: If the world of academia and Newsweek want to keep any shreds of credibility, they need to can his ass - now.


Why should they? It's not like he plagiarized anything.
 
2012-08-21 11:12:33 AM  
My mind just did backflips trying to read that article. I need to go lay down.
 
2012-08-21 11:30:29 AM  

Tigger: He's a history professor. A history professor who got famous with a ridiculous counter-factual history gimmick.

Why the merry fark does anyone listen to him on economics?


He's fashioned himself into a financial historian in the last 10-12 years or so. At least people are buying his financial history books.
 
2012-08-21 11:34:35 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Grand_Moff_Joseph: If the world of academia and Newsweek want to keep any shreds of credibility, they need to can his ass - now.

Why should they? It's not like he plagiarized anything.


it's riddled with errors and deliberate fabrications. it was written with the intent to deceive.
 
2012-08-21 11:38:55 AM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Tigger: He's a history professor. A history professor who got famous with a ridiculous counter-factual history gimmick.

Why the merry fark does anyone listen to him on economics?

He's fashioned himself into a financial historian in the last 10-12 years or so. At least people are buying his financial history books.


Good lord.

He was considered a joke when I was in college - actual quote "Ferguson is engaged in a counter-factual parlour game barely worth playing"
 
2012-08-21 12:13:20 PM  

FlashHarry: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Grand_Moff_Joseph: If the world of academia and Newsweek want to keep any shreds of credibility, they need to can his ass - now.

Why should they? It's not like he plagiarized anything.

it's riddled with errors and deliberate fabrications. it was written with the intent to deceive.


Your sarcasm detector seems to be defective. I suggest you take it to the repair shop.
 
2012-08-21 12:22:19 PM  

FishyFred: Fark you, you lying sack of shiat.


Basically this.
 
2012-08-21 12:48:06 PM  
"You don't talk about history with the facts you have, you talk about history with the facts you want or wish to have."
 
2012-08-21 01:31:38 PM  

sweetmelissa31: A Harvard professor repeats the lie that only half of us are paying taxes. I don't think you can even get away with that in a high school essay.


god damned freeloading infants
 
2012-08-21 01:49:16 PM  
This battle of elites vs. snobs is still more entertaining than UFC.
 
2012-08-21 01:53:18 PM  

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: A Harvard professor repeats the lie that only half of us are paying taxes. I don't think you can even get away with that in a high school essay.

god damned freeloading infants


... and don't forget these so-called "poor people" with their refrigerators and telephones. We need to make sure people with no income have some skin in the game, too!
 
2012-08-21 01:53:54 PM  
Someone's bucking for a Fox News gig.
 
2012-08-21 01:55:19 PM  
I, for one, am utterly shocked that a conservative would willfully deceive the voting public.
 
2012-08-21 01:57:05 PM  
Every time this idiot limey gets owned by Krugman, an angel gets its wings.
 
2012-08-21 01:58:24 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Your sarcasm detector seems to be defective. I suggest you take it to the repair shop.


my bad.

ferguson's shenanigans get on my wick.
 
2012-08-21 01:59:00 PM  
media.salon.com

Upper Class Brit Twit of the Year
 
2012-08-21 01:59:00 PM  

God's Hubris: Someone's bucking for a Fox News gig.


Bingo. They probably offer higher wages than Newsweek or Harvard do.
 
2012-08-21 02:00:03 PM  

Tigger: He's a history professor. A history professor who got famous with a ridiculous counter-factual history gimmick.

Why the merry fark does anyone listen to him on economics?


It fits their pre-approved narrative that the blah guy wants to destroy America?
 
2012-08-21 02:01:01 PM  

Maud Dib: [media.salon.com image 460x307]

Upper Class Brit Twit of the Year


It's all fun and games until you realize that the final event (killing yourself with a firearm), due to GOP proclivities, will be using thermonuclear devices.
 
2012-08-21 02:02:10 PM  
Is it weird that I actually kind of respect his honesty?
 
2012-08-21 02:02:15 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: God's Hubris: Someone's bucking for a Fox News gig.

Bingo. They probably offer higher wages than Newsweek or Harvard do.


god, they'd love him. his accent and demeanor would give them all sorts of faux-intellectual cred with the drooling masses.
 
2012-08-21 02:03:20 PM  
Oh, look it's Ezra Klein. Mr. JournoList is doing whatever it takes to help the Obamassiah.
 
2012-08-21 02:03:33 PM  
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MUDD: I lied.
NORMAN: What?
KIRK: He lied. Everything Harry tells you is a lie. Remember that. Everything Harry tells you is a lie.
MUDD: Listen to this carefully, Norman. I am lying.
NORMAN: You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie. You lie. You tell the truth. But you cannot for. Illogical! Illogical! Please explain.
 
2012-08-21 02:04:24 PM  
Niall Ferguson claims to oppose rape, but a recent study by the FBI shows that the number of rapes has more than tripled since Ferguson was born.
 
2012-08-21 02:04:50 PM  

The Homer Tax: Is it weird that I actually kind of respect his honesty?


What honesty?
 
2012-08-21 02:05:49 PM  

The Homer Tax: Is it weird that I actually kind of respect his honesty?


By "honesty", do you mean his ability to tell baldfaced lies without an ounce of shame?
 
2012-08-21 02:05:56 PM  
John Cassidy wrote about this pretty eloquently yesterday in the New Yorker.
 
2012-08-21 02:06:08 PM  
Is this the same guy who wrote "The Pity of War" about WW1? He seemed to be really reaching to make counter-intuitive points and was rather breathless.
 
2012-08-21 02:06:11 PM  

The Homer Tax: Is it weird that I actually kind of respect his honesty?


If it makes you feel any better, that was his response after being called out on dishonest parsing of the information.
 
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