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(ZDNet)   Amazon introduces glacier cloud storage, refuses to acknowledge global warming   (zdnet.com) divider line 25
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2012-08-21 10:24:15 AM  
I don't want to think about my data in terms of being "glacial" in any way.
 
2012-08-21 10:26:28 AM  
EC2 is nice for some less-than-mission-critical services, but I haven't been thrilled with its reliability. The uptime is okay, but we've had issues where we couldn't start instances because there were no resources available and it's very easy to make a very common networking or system config change that for no apparently reason completely blows up all the inroads to the server and leaves it permanently inaccessible (unless you feel like mounting the dead image on another instances and hand-tweaking registry keys to undo whatever change you made).

The experience with that service does not encourage me to drop my SAN+tape archival strategy that has lost exactly 0 files in all the time I've been using it.

Cloud's fine, but it ain't primetime material yet and I'm not dropping something as reliable as offsite vault tape backups and entrusting the data to Amazon's servers.
 
2012-08-21 10:28:27 AM  

karmaceutical: I don't want to think about my data in terms of being "glacial" in any way.


Why? In most organizations its an apt analogy. It takes up a lot of space, rarely actually moves and very few people are really very interested in it.

/ convinced that 98% of all files (outside those required for various legal or standards compliance) businesses store are never actually used again
// but ask the users and ZOMG EVERYTHING IS MISSION CRITICAL DATA!!!!
 
2012-08-21 10:55:29 AM  
I can think of builds of our software when win98 was new I shove into this and get off my SAN and tape jobs.
 
2012-08-21 11:02:49 AM  
Oh, Azure..... are you listening......
 
2012-08-21 11:37:17 AM  
WTF does this have to do with a "cloud" why don't they just call it hosted storage or big ass SAN or complicated NAS.

/Fark the cloud.
 
2012-08-21 12:14:47 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: EC2 is nice for some less-than-mission-critical services, but I haven't been thrilled with its reliability. The uptime is okay, but we've had issues where we couldn't start instances because there were no resources available and it's very easy to make a very common networking or system config change that for no apparently reason completely blows up all the inroads to the server and leaves it permanently inaccessible (unless you feel like mounting the dead image on another instances and hand-tweaking registry keys to undo whatever change you made).

The experience with that service does not encourage me to drop my SAN+tape archival strategy that has lost exactly 0 files in all the time I've been using it.

Cloud's fine, but it ain't primetime material yet and I'm not dropping something as reliable as offsite vault tape backups and entrusting the data to Amazon's servers.


Sounds like you didn't RTFM.
 
2012-08-21 12:16:08 PM  

Intrepid00: Sounds like you didn't RTFM.


Sounds like you don't use group policy.
 
2012-08-21 12:28:50 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Intrepid00: Sounds like you didn't RTFM.

Sounds like you don't use group policy.


Sounds like I have AD running just fine on EC2 cause I RTFM.
 
2012-08-21 12:32:36 PM  

Intrepid00: Sounds like I have AD running just fine on EC2 cause I RTFM.


As do I, but unlike you my objects are more complex than setting four people's default homepage in IE.

You're being retarded, especially considering that the volume of basic documentation that EC2, and especially VPCs, lacked in the first couple years of the service could have filled libraries.

But you keep pretending you're Captain King Shiat if it makes you feel good about your MCSE.
 
2012-08-21 12:33:43 PM  
I even have the automatically learn their own EBS volumes and snapshot them when someone logs in and on a schedule.
 
2012-08-21 12:34:52 PM  
Hint duder, you need to use powershell and their .net library.
 
2012-08-21 12:51:38 PM  

Intrepid00: Hint duder, you need to use powershell and their .net library.


Why are you giving me advice on fixing a problem that doesn't exist?

And somehow I think the Java or Python SDKs might be a little more suited anyway seeing as I use Linux machines almost exclusively as control stations for generic system and network management....
 
2012-08-21 01:51:54 PM  
Clearly didn't RTFM or understand AD and the problems EC2 presents for it.
 
2012-08-21 02:33:43 PM  
What a amazon may look likewww.amazonashleyadair.com
 
2012-08-21 03:05:21 PM  

Intrepid00: Clearly didn't RTFM or understand AD and the problems EC2 presents for it.


Whatever you say. Now go fix somebody's print queue and make me a 10 ft patch cable, errand boy.
 
2012-08-21 03:30:39 PM  
www.natureflowerwallpapers.com

Im a cloud! Im gonna piddle on ya! Rain is cloud pee!
 
2012-08-21 04:14:43 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Intrepid00: Clearly didn't RTFM or understand AD and the problems EC2 presents for it.

Whatever you say. Now go fix somebody's print queue and make me a 10 ft patch cable, errand boy.


Do you want me to get you AD working in EC2 while I'm on it since it is too hard?
 
2012-08-21 06:51:11 PM  
This has got to be the nerdiest pissing match in Fark's history.

/Possibly also its lamest.
 
2012-08-21 07:57:20 PM  
Instead, Glacier runs on "inexpensive commodity hardware components"

I wonder if this'll become more popular. I mean, Google's pretty well known for using redundant consumer-grade equipment. If that really became a thing and enterprise used the same hardware as consumer, it could do interesting things to the prices. On the other hand, I wonder what the change in recycling/landfill would be.
 
2012-08-21 11:15:25 PM  

DSanchez: Oh, Azure..... are you listening......


Azure can compete *IF* MS fixes that front end. I have had the pleasure of seeing some of the Azure infrastructure. It's impressive. And has three+ online massive data centers here in the USA alone. Not sure, but seems like six will be online in this country eventually. They all lease space from each other. It's like the USPS using UPS or FedEx to get things delivered. That happens. :-)


/pay no attention
 
2012-08-21 11:26:09 PM  
As someone who is implementing two replicated Data Domain DD990's in the next couple weeks, I'm getting a kick out of this.

/good riddance tape
//okay, will keep our Quantum i6000 tape library for offsite vaulting purposes
///don't think I'd trust mission critical data to cheap off the shelf parts
 
Zel
2012-08-22 01:15:27 AM  
I favorited him as asshole IT manager. So we'll always know.


On topic, the Glacier storage sounds pretty cool; we could use some extra cheap storage for rarely accessed files. Although I think we will have tape anyway...
 
2012-08-22 01:36:39 AM  
Something something why don't you bunch of acronyms, dumbass?
 
2012-08-23 05:40:03 PM  
As someone who just last week toured the Alps' largest glacier, I'm getting a kick
 
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