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2012-08-21 08:35:25 AM  
Good on him
 
2012-08-21 08:41:25 AM  
playing for the cameras. Later they did wind sprints til they puked
 
2012-08-21 08:42:47 AM  
The cynic that is me thinks the coach knew he was hot-miked on national cable television and said that to sound good.
 
2012-08-21 08:52:39 AM  
timeentertainment.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-21 09:08:26 AM  
Well, did they win or what?
 
2012-08-21 09:34:52 AM  

highbrow45: Well, did they win or what?


www.monologuedb.com

Jesus *Christ*, man! There's just some things you don't talk about in public!


/image hotlinked
 
2012-08-21 09:37:48 AM  
**Qualifier**
I'm from New Castle and Danny used to work for my grandparents.

I understand this is Fark but damn. The current coach lost his job when the plants in town closed and only stayed because Danny asked him to coach the kids because he knew he wouldn't live long enough to see them through to now.

That is how Brett is all the time, not just when there are cameras around.

Link
 
2012-08-21 09:42:04 AM  

rebelpride644: **Qualifier**
I'm from New Castle and Danny used to work for my grandparents so i'm getting a kick out of these replies.

I understand this is Fark but damn. The current coach lost his job when the plants in town closed and only stayed because Danny asked him to coach the kids because he knew he wouldn't live long enough to see them through to now.

That is how Brett is all the time, not just when there are cameras around.

Link


FIFY

Good on him though. Very good.

/Go McAllister Park!
 
2012-08-21 09:47:00 AM  

Masterstuff: rebelpride644: **Qualifier**
I'm from New Castle and Danny used to work for my grandparents so i'm getting a kick out of these replies.

I understand this is Fark but damn. The current coach lost his job when the plants in town closed and only stayed because Danny asked him to coach the kids because he knew he wouldn't live long enough to see them through to now.

That is how Brett is all the time, not just when there are cameras around.

Link

FIFY

Good on him though. Very good.

/Go McAllister Park!


Much better than my post...gotta go change into my big boy pants now.
 
2012-08-21 09:49:54 AM  

Dick Gozinya: The cynic that is me thinks the coach knew he was hot-miked on national cable television and said that to sound good.


Why? I assistant coach little league myself*. I've seen coaches that motivate kids the wrong way, but a lot of them, in fact most that I've seen, do it the right way. We didn't badger the kids, we worked with them and we were quite positive. We were competitive, too: We came in second place both for the regular season and for the playoffs. We missed getting first place by a single run. Our team did send the most kids to all-stars out of the whole league, all but one of whom ended up on the "A" team.

Last year, with many of the same players, we were in dead last place. But because we were positive, the kids didn't get too upset about it: We had fun playing.

You can do it the right way, and I'm betting that anyone playing at that level isn't going to be using the 'asshole' method of coaching, because in my experience, it just doesn't work well. Every coach I've see who used it had a dejected team that didn't play their best.

I had one game this season where I had to coach by myself. I was nervous as Hell, too, because I don't really consider myself the leadership type, and I'm not the most baseball savvy coach out there, not by a longshot. I happened to find the skin of a baseball just beyond the fence of the field we were playing in as I was carrying the equipment to the dugout. Someone had obvious taken an old baseball and opened it up. I grabbed it and put it in my pocket. Right before the game, when I had my players on the bench, I pulled that out and said this:

"Does anybody know what this is?" Some nods. "This is the skin of a baseball. I found this just beyond the fence. Do you know what that means? Some other little league player hit this ball so hard, he knocked the skin off of it. I want each and every one of you to try and do that for me today. I know you can all hit big, and I want to see you doing your best. Let's play a game that would make Coach Chris proud" When each of them went up to bat, I slapped that baseball covering on their bats for luck.

They ate it up.

I had kids that normally couldn't hit very well putting them in the outfield, the kids that normally couldn't hit at all were making contact and getting on base, and I had the kids that could hit well almost putting them over the fence. And this is a bantam team we're talking about.

We won that game, 14 to 2, against a very respectable team. They ended up third in the playoffs, as I recall.

You can motivate them in a good way, and I think the most effective coaches are like that.

*An odd position for me to be in, considering I only played about half a season of little league as a kid, something like 35 years ago.
 
2012-08-21 10:05:47 AM  

Dick Gozinya: The cynic that is me thinks the coach knew he was hot-miked on national cable television and said that to sound good.


99.99% of all youth league sports are done the right way.

They just don't make the news.
 
2012-08-21 10:45:44 AM  
more like my LL coach:

jenstersmusings.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-21 10:51:35 AM  

dittybopper: Dick Gozinya: The cynic that is me thinks the coach knew he was hot-miked on national cable television and said that to sound good.

Why? I assistant coach little league myself*. I've seen coaches that motivate kids the wrong way, but a lot of them, in fact most that I've seen, do it the right way. We didn't badger the kids, we worked with them and we were quite positive. We were competitive, too: We came in second place both for the regular season and for the playoffs. We missed getting first place by a single run. Our team did send the most kids to all-stars out of the whole league, all but one of whom ended up on the "A" team.

Last year, with many of the same players, we were in dead last place. But because we were positive, the kids didn't get too upset about it: We had fun playing.

You can do it the right way, and I'm betting that anyone playing at that level isn't going to be using the 'asshole' method of coaching, because in my experience, it just doesn't work well. Every coach I've see who used it had a dejected team that didn't play their best.

I had one game this season where I had to coach by myself. I was nervous as Hell, too, because I don't really consider myself the leadership type, and I'm not the most baseball savvy coach out there, not by a longshot. I happened to find the skin of a baseball just beyond the fence of the field we were playing in as I was carrying the equipment to the dugout. Someone had obvious taken an old baseball and opened it up. I grabbed it and put it in my pocket. Right before the game, when I had my players on the bench, I pulled that out and said this:

"Does anybody know what this is?" Some nods. "This is the skin of a baseball. I found this just beyond the fence. Do you know what that means? Some other little league player hit this ball so hard, he knocked the skin off of it. I want each and every one of you to try and do that for me today. I know you can all hit big, and I want to see you doing your best. Let's play a game that would make Coach Chris proud" When each of them went up to bat, I slapped that baseball covering on their bats for luck.

They ate it up.

I had kids that normally couldn't hit very well putting them in the outfield, the kids that normally couldn't hit at all were making contact and getting on base, and I had the kids that could hit well almost putting them over the fence. And this is a bantam team we're talking about.

We won that game, 14 to 2, against a very respectable team. They ended up third in the playoffs, as I recall.

You can motivate them in a good way, and I think the most effective coaches are like that.

*An odd position for me to be in, considering I only played about half a season of little league as a kid, something like 35 years ago.


That would have been a funnier story if they had struck out 16 times because they were all overswinging.
 
2012-08-21 10:57:55 AM  

dittybopper: Dick Gozinya: The cynic that is me thinks the coach knew he was hot-miked on national cable television and said that to sound good.

Why? I assistant coach little league myself*. I've seen coaches that motivate kids the wrong way, but a lot of them, in fact most that I've seen, do it the right way. We didn't badger the kids, we worked with them and we were quite positive. We were competitive, too: We came in second place both for the regular season and for the playoffs. We missed getting first place by a single run. Our team did send the most kids to all-stars out of the whole league, all but one of whom ended up on the "A" team.

Last year, with many of the same players, we were in dead last place. But because we were positive, the kids didn't get too upset about it: We had fun playing.

You can do it the right way, and I'm betting that anyone playing at that level isn't going to be using the 'asshole' method of coaching, because in my experience, it just doesn't work well. Every coach I've see who used it had a dejected team that didn't play their best.

I had one game this season where I had to coach by myself. I was nervous as Hell, too, because I don't really consider myself the leadership type, and I'm not the most baseball savvy coach out there, not by a longshot. I happened to find the skin of a baseball just beyond the fence of the field we were playing in as I was carrying the equipment to the dugout. Someone had obvious taken an old baseball and opened it up. I grabbed it and put it in my pocket. Right before the game, when I had my players on the bench, I pulled that out and said this:

"Does anybody know what this is?" Some nods. "This is the skin of a baseball. I found this just beyond the fence. Do you know what that means? Some other little league player hit this ball so hard, he knocked the skin off of it. I want each and every one of you to try and do that for me today. I know you can all hit big, and I want to see you doing your best. Let's play a game that would make Coach Chris proud" When each of them went up to bat, I slapped that baseball covering on their bats for luck.

They ate it up.

I had kids that normally couldn't hit very well putting them in the outfield, the kids that normally couldn't hit at all were making contact and getting on base, and I had the kids that could hit well almost putting them over the fence. And this is a bantam team we're talking about.

We won that game, 14 to 2, against a very respectable team. They ended up third in the playoffs, as I recall.

You can motivate them in a good way, and I think the most effective coaches are like that.

*An odd position for me to be in, considering I only played about half a season of little league as a kid, something like 35 years ago.


Cool story, bro.

No really, it was. And I agree with you. 95 percent of the coaches are good coaches and are doing it for the right reasons.

It's the kids' parents that are almost always the problem.
 
2012-08-21 11:02:42 AM  
If I wanted to watch Little League Baseball I'd have kids

/I really don't get it, between the Jets updates and LLB ESPN is becoming unwatchable
 
2012-08-21 11:05:16 AM  

highbrow45: Well, did they win or what?


Conneticut threw a no hitter vs them last night. They are out.
 
2012-08-21 11:06:46 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: That would have been a funnier story if they had struck out 16 times because they were all overswinging.


Heh. Actually I think it helped because they had a goal, even if it was unrealistic. The important thing was that they wanted it.
 
2012-08-21 11:08:21 AM  
highbrow45: Well, did they win or what?

At the time he gave the pep talk they were down 9-2, having just given up six runs in the top of the inning. They went on to lose 13-3. And in their next game they were no hit by the Connecticut team, losing 4-0.
 
2012-08-21 11:17:02 AM  

UncleStumpy: It's the kids' parents that are almost always the problem.


Yeah, but I've seen coaches like that also.

Oh, and you can't let the parents push you around, either. We had one or two that were like that, saying they wanted their kid playing first base, stuff like that. We shut that kind of thing down quickly by saying "We need him where he is". Even the most selfish parents want the team to win. So you put the pudgy kid who can't move, but can catch, at first or catcher, along with the gangly kid who can't throw, but who can catch. You put the kid with great reflexes, a good arm, and a good glove on the pitchers mound (this was coach-pitch, btw). You get two decent players on second and short stop, and you drill them so that when the ball goes towards one, the other runs to the base to catch it and make the out. You put the kid who would rather play in the dirt in right field.
 
2012-08-21 11:18:40 AM  

varmitydog: highbrow45: Well, did they win or what?

At the time he gave the pep talk they were down 9-2, having just given up six runs in the top of the inning. They went on to lose 13-3. And in their next game they were no hit by the Connecticut team, losing 4-0.


Thanks for including the score, news organization could learn a thing or two about finishing a story from you.
 
2012-08-21 11:23:13 AM  

zac1722: If I wanted to watch Little League Baseball I'd have kids

/I really don't get it, between the Jets updates and LLB ESPN is becoming unwatchable


The channel button on your remote. Use it.
 
2012-08-21 11:29:29 AM  
Veteran of Petaluma Little League here.

My first season, back in the mid 80s, my team didn't win a game. None. 0-whatever on the season.
But we still had fun every game. We tried our damndest. We never gave up, because we had a good coach who kept us going, reminded us that it was just a game and the important thing wasn't who won and who lost, as long as we had fun and played clean.
 
2012-08-21 11:33:46 AM  
ugh, I saw that team play a few days ago and I think it was Karl Ravetch, was just horrible. he kept referring to the kids looking to the sky in memory of their dead coach. he kept beating it to death, pun intended. it was really bad announcing.
 
2012-08-21 11:37:28 AM  

mikaloyd: zac1722: If I wanted to watch Little League Baseball I'd have kids

/I really don't get it, between the Jets updates and LLB ESPN is becoming unwatchable

The channel button on your remote. Use it.


Better yet, the little x in the upper right, use it.
 
2012-08-21 11:44:30 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: mikaloyd: zac1722: If I wanted to watch Little League Baseball I'd have kids

/I really don't get it, between the Jets updates and LLB ESPN is becoming unwatchable

The channel button on your remote. Use it.

Better yet, the little x in the upper right, use it.


What about the switch on the the big box of GFB's in his basement? Switch it off?
Or that wire thingy hanging from your house (presumably) attached to the telephone pole closest to your house? Snip snip!
Or the power plant outside the city? Breach & Bomb!
Then no little league baseball for anyone!
 
2012-08-21 12:05:22 PM  
Good job...good effort.
 
2012-08-21 12:21:58 PM  
I had one really good baseball coach in middle school. He knew the game really well and taught us all to appreciate it. We were in the top 3-4 teams in the league and probably would've easily been undefeated if it wasn't for his personal rule that every kid on the team would get to pitch a meaningful number of innings.

The funny thing is that he actually was pretty intense in the sense that he expected you to do the right baseball things (hit your cutoff man, play your position correctly, etc), no matter if you were up 10, down 10 or in a tight ballgame; but he wasn't obsessed with winning (hence his rule about pitching). He just was serious about teaching us baseball and expected us to be serious about learning it.

I'm way more athletic in adulthood than I was in my youth and I can honestly say that guys like this guy are the reason I appreciate the game.
 
2012-08-21 12:48:36 PM  
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the same team that helped outfit the Ugandans. Apparently there's a lot of win in Indiana, even if the team isn't doing so.
 
2012-08-21 02:06:27 PM  
I had a soccer coach that would follow behind us (we were 12) and kick us square in the ass if we were lagging while running laps.

I had a baseball coach (at around the same age group) would yell at us constantly - "That's a can of corn, son!" and all sort of stuff.

Both of those teams made the section championships and are among my best sports memories. Say what you want about asshole coaches, but they can get results. Perhaps all kids aren't meant for sports and if that's the case they need to be on a team that's not competitive and have all the fun they want. Perhaps kids 20-some-odd years ago handled that kind of coaching differently.

Now contrast that to my dad, who was a hell of a coach, but not an angry, derisive one - intense, yes, but very fair and had amazing teams throughout the years. His players loved him - even had a few that he had coached as teenagers before he even had kids eulogize him at his funeral (which was utterly moving).

I've been my son's coach for the last few years and I'm not the yelling type - but I am intense and constantly setting high expectations for the kids as far as their gameplay and fundamentals go. Record at this age doesn't matter - in fact, most of the wins or losses are due to the "skills gap" where kids of a particular age may have 3 or 4 years difference in their physical abilities, regardless of experience. I don't care if they win as long as they try to win and play hard and fair.
 
2012-08-21 02:20:24 PM  
My high school soccer coach was from Mexico, as was our best player, Luis. When the rest of us weren't playing well, Luis would not pass, but would try to do it all by himself. When he would get like that Coach Munios used to scream, "Pass the ball, Luis, or you will always be a spick." Good positive role models can have a tremendous impact on young people.
 
2012-08-21 03:53:04 PM  

FriarReb98: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the same team that helped outfit the Ugandans. Apparently there's a lot of win in Indiana, even if the team isn't doing so.


They made it to the LLWS, there was win and plenty of it. If what you said is true about helping the Ugandans then there is a lot more win there regardless on how they do in LLWS.
 
2012-08-21 03:56:59 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: mikaloyd: zac1722: If I wanted to watch Little League Baseball I'd have kids

/I really don't get it, between the Jets updates and LLB ESPN is becoming unwatchable

The channel button on your remote. Use it.

Better yet, the little x in the upper right, use it.

What about the switch on the the big box of GFB's in his basement? Switch it off?
Or that wire thingy hanging from your house (presumably) attached to the telephone pole closest to your house? Snip snip!
Or the power plant outside the city? Breach & Bomb!
Then no little league baseball for anyone!


Your snark beat my planned snark
 
2012-08-21 04:20:54 PM  

zac1722: Nana's Vibrator: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: mikaloyd: zac1722: If I wanted to watch Little League Baseball I'd have kids

/I really don't get it, between the Jets updates and LLB ESPN is becoming unwatchable

The channel button on your remote. Use it.

Better yet, the little x in the upper right, use it.

What about the switch on the the big box of GFB's in his basement? Switch it off?
Or that wire thingy hanging from your house (presumably) attached to the telephone pole closest to your house? Snip snip!
Or the power plant outside the city? Breach & Bomb!
Then no little league baseball for anyone!

Your snark beat my planned snark


Do you even know what a rhetorical question is?

/I'll wait while you get lost on Wikipedia
 
2012-08-21 09:37:14 PM  

mikaloyd: zac1722: Nana's Vibrator: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: mikaloyd: zac1722: If I wanted to watch Little League Baseball I'd have kids

/I really don't get it, between the Jets updates and LLB ESPN is becoming unwatchable

The channel button on your remote. Use it.

Better yet, the little x in the upper right, use it.

What about the switch on the the big box of GFB's in his basement? Switch it off?
Or that wire thingy hanging from your house (presumably) attached to the telephone pole closest to your house? Snip snip!
Or the power plant outside the city? Breach & Bomb!
Then no little league baseball for anyone!

Your snark beat my planned snark

Do you even know what a rhetorical question is?

/I'll wait while you get lost on Wikipedia


I'll wait while you look up irony
 
2012-08-22 12:00:43 AM  

balki1867: I had one really good baseball coach in middle school. He knew the game really well and taught us all to appreciate it. We were in the top 3-4 teams in the league and probably would've easily been undefeated if it wasn't for his personal rule that every kid on the team would get to pitch a meaningful number of innings.

The funny thing is that he actually was pretty intense in the sense that he expected you to do the right baseball things (hit your cutoff man, play your position correctly, etc), no matter if you were up 10, down 10 or in a tight ballgame; but he wasn't obsessed with winning (hence his rule about pitching). He just was serious about teaching us baseball and expected us to be serious about learning it.

I'm way more athletic in adulthood than I was in my youth and I can honestly say that guys like this guy are the reason I appreciate the game.


my coach was Ray Bosetti who coached the high school team when i was 9 yrs old, and who ran a summer clinic everyday at the ball field for the summer youth program for a pittance. he taught us all the little things about playing the game properly; He was a stickler for doing things right and was filled with such joy and enthusiasm that i can remember him 45 years later as i coach my two travelling soccer teams and i try to channel some of him to pay it forward. Always positive but just filled with respect for the game so tat you could get the most out of the playing.

i remember how sad he was ( and i was ) when he found out we were moving and i couldnt play for him, but man did he ever teach me a lot
 
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