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2012-08-21 08:21:49 AM
I highly doubt that.
 
2012-08-21 08:28:07 AM
Is the unlikely tag taking the day off?
 
2012-08-21 08:32:03 AM
I simply refuse to believe that the species that invented handerpants is the most advanced in the universe.

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2012-08-21 08:35:54 AM
It means we are well and truly farked. Our first contact with an alien species on their homeworld will probably involve the phrase "But, they shot first" too.
 
2012-08-21 08:36:42 AM

miss diminutive: I simply refuse to believe that the species that invented handerpants is the most advanced in the universe.

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Relax. We're both very advanced, and at the same time very stupid. There's no need to get your handerpanties in a bunch.
 
2012-08-21 08:39:37 AM
I hope we are not. The universe is an incredibly big place.
 
2012-08-21 09:01:00 AM
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.
 
2012-08-21 09:04:13 AM

Sybarite: So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.


Is that Tim Minchin? No wait, that's Monty Python.
 
2012-08-21 09:12:29 AM
Humancentric views annoy the hell out of me

One of the biggest problems I had with Star Trek was the portrayal that humans were the most important god-damned race in the universe. Q even went so far to try to mate with Janeway to bring humanity into the continuum.
 
2012-08-21 09:15:29 AM
I would think the probability of that is as close to zero as you can get. Our galaxy is an infant as galaxies go. And that's just our galaxy. Our planet is a microscopic dot inside billions of microscopic dots. I'm sure that concept farks with a lot of people's religious beliefs but it's true. Somebody somewhere has to be smarter than we are.

Where can I get those Handerpants?
 
2012-08-21 09:27:20 AM
*picks nose* Huh, wut?
 
2012-08-21 09:38:04 AM
Heh, look at all the people upset about this. We hate being alone, let's invent new gods.
 
2012-08-21 09:38:07 AM

Mugato: I would think the probability of that is as close to zero as you can get. Our galaxy is an infant as galaxies go. And that's just our galaxy. Our planet is a microscopic dot inside billions of microscopic dots. I'm sure that concept farks with a lot of people's religious beliefs but it's true. Somebody somewhere has to be smarter than we are.

Where can I get those Handerpants?


http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Handerpants.html
 
2012-08-21 09:38:29 AM

cman: Humancentric views annoy the hell out of me

One of the biggest problems I had with Star Trek was the portrayal that humans were the most important god-damned race in the universe. Q even went so far to try to mate with Janeway to bring humanity into the continuum.


Its an interesting narrative.... what if we are the evil resource gathering, imperialistic race.
 
2012-08-21 09:39:07 AM

Elandriel: It means we are well and truly farked. Our first contact with an alien species on their homeworld will probably involve the phrase "But, they shot first" too


Nah, that's only if 'Murica gets there first...
 
2012-08-21 09:39:17 AM
We've got a Jesus, do they?
 
2012-08-21 09:40:42 AM
Being unusual, by definition, is unusual. So you probably aren't.
 
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2012-08-21 09:41:15 AM

cman: Humancentric views annoy the hell out of me

One of the biggest problems I had with Star Trek was the portrayal that humans were the most important god-damned race in the universe. Q even went so far to try to mate with Janeway to bring humanity into the continuum.


It's like they think their audience is all human or something.
 
2012-08-21 09:41:24 AM
I remember my first joint.
 
2012-08-21 09:42:12 AM
We need to get to another inhabited planet as fast as we can. I'm really looking forward to making crop circles and giving anal probes!
 
2012-08-21 09:42:26 AM
Worse yet, what if the hokey pokey really IS what it's all about?
 
2012-08-21 09:43:12 AM

Being first is terribly lonely.


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/makes a good plot though.
 
2012-08-21 09:43:39 AM
Somebody somehwere has to be the first species to do the sort of things that we've done, and it's possible that we're the first. Unlikely, though, given the age of our sun against the age of the universe.
 
2012-08-21 09:44:06 AM
I've always had a feeling there are factors the Drake Equation doesn't take into account. Not that there's nothing out there, but maybe just not as much as we'd hope.
 
2012-08-21 09:44:32 AM

cman: Humancentric views annoy the hell out of me

One of the biggest problems I had with Star Trek was the portrayal that humans were the most important god-damned race in the universe. Q even went so far to try to mate with Janeway to bring humanity into the continuum.


I do not think that Q really thought highly of humans. Oh that's just what we call pillow talk, baby, that's all.
 
2012-08-21 09:44:57 AM
All the libs on planet earth will insist that we redistribute our wealth across the entire unverse in the interests of fairness and social justice. To redistribute all this wealth will require a large comittee whose size happens to equal the number of libs on planet earth. And that comittee will decide that its members should have access to as much of the wealth as they feel they need.
 
2012-08-21 09:48:53 AM

Saiga410: I do not think that Q really thought highly of humans. Oh that's just what we call pillow talk, baby, that's all.


I would have gone for Lt Torres myself.
 
2012-08-21 09:49:22 AM

Mugato: I would think the probability of that is as close to zero as you can get. Our galaxy is an infant as galaxies go. And that's just our galaxy. Our planet is a microscopic dot inside billions of microscopic dots. I'm sure that concept farks with a lot of people's religious beliefs but it's true. Somebody somewhere has to be smarter than we are.


But there is the real possibility that FTL travel is truly impossible and there is no way to realistically travel very far on the galactic scale. If that is the case then no race anywhere has a high probability of meeting another intelligent race within a reasonable amount of time. Travel to the nearest stars would take decades while colonization and farther travel would take millennia.

It is more likely that we colonize a nearby star system forget about it for a thousand years while technology gets farked then re-find the colony as divergent evolution has taken place and the people look like people from star trek (close but not quite right). Either that or a slow and steady expansion akin to bacteria.
 
2012-08-21 09:49:24 AM
So, like, we're the aliens man?
 
2012-08-21 09:51:37 AM

LDM90: I've always had a feeling there are factors the Drake Equation doesn't take into account.


Here's a huge one: the duration during which a civilization uses analog radio broadcasts. Compression and encryption make a signal sound very close to noise.
 
2012-08-21 09:52:37 AM
If we are the best that the universe can come up with, man, this universe sucks. I'm moving to the next universe.
 
2012-08-21 09:52:55 AM

satanorsanta: Travel to the nearest stars would take decades while colonization and farther travel would take millennia.


That's a pretty reasonable amount of time.
 
2012-08-21 09:53:08 AM
If we are the smartest in the universe, then the universe is doomed.
 
2012-08-21 09:53:50 AM
Won't matter. Physics is a biatch and there is no way to bridge the vast distances between stars. All races are trapped in their own little solar systems.
 
2012-08-21 09:55:25 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Physics is a biatch and there is no way to bridge the vast distances between stars.


Well, that's a stupid thing to say. Even with our primitive technology, we've got probes that could be well on their way to the nearest star, if we had aimed it that way.
 
2012-08-21 09:55:41 AM

Saiga410: cman: Humancentric views annoy the hell out of me

One of the biggest problems I had with Star Trek was the portrayal that humans were the most important god-damned race in the universe. Q even went so far to try to mate with Janeway to bring humanity into the continuum.

I do not think that Q really thought highly of humans. Oh that's just what we call pillow talk, baby, that's all.


He considered humans as pets. Though in a conversation with Picard, he did say that in the future, humans will evolve to a point even beyond the Q.
 
2012-08-21 09:55:52 AM
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2012-08-21 09:56:56 AM

Falco09: So, like, we're the aliens man?


Mmm, 1993 Milla Jovovich.

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2012-08-21 09:59:40 AM

miss diminutive: I simply refuse to believe that the species that invented handerpants is the most advanced in the universe.


Just like in the movie, Harry and the Handerpants. IIRC, Harry was not the dominant lifeform.
 
2012-08-21 10:01:39 AM
When I was younger, and went to church, I once told my mom that if we are the most intelligent species in the universe, then god is an idiot.
Of course, now that I'm older and my faith in some form of all knowing diety isn't as strong, I believe that those that think we are the most intelligent species in the universe are idiots.
Once we evolve past the hating others because of skin color, personal beliefs/morals, and every other petty issue, we will be a step closer. But until then, we're just a few steps above animals. Some of us a few steps higher then others.
 
2012-08-21 10:01:40 AM
You know what, I don't think it's that crazy of a notion. Most other life we've seen seems to naturally find a balance between itself and it's environment, but we don't. You might suggest that intelligence plays a factor in this, but what if it turns out that we're an anomaly? We wouldn't think it odd if one individual bacterium in a colony of billions developed a mutation that ended up being self-destructive to the host...what if we're the one intelligence species among billions of others in the universe that can't seem to find our niche in our world?

Outer space is such a hostile environment for life as we know it, and so incredibly vast, I just wonder, how many intelligent species really come to believe that leaving the confines of their safe, comfortable world is something worthwhile? These species tend to get picked off in the long run of course, by natural disasters that are planet or cosmic in origin, but when the timeline of such events is hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years, this probably wouldn't tend to be a factor in determining a species desire to explore the cosmos. Would it be so shocking to discover that most intelligent life is quite happy to live within their natural environments?
 
2012-08-21 10:02:05 AM

PsyLord: He considered humans as pets. Though in a conversation with Picard, he did say that in the future, humans will evolve to a point even beyond the Q.


Yeah, that's why Q put humanity on trial instead of all the other species that are much bigger dicks than we are.
 
2012-08-21 10:02:26 AM

Yukon Cornelius: Somebody somehwere has to be the first species to do the sort of things that we've done, and it's possible that we're the first. Unlikely, though, given the age of our sun against the age of the universe.


And thats where it becomes interesting. Our sun is a second gen sun, and while it wasnt the 1st to be formed, it is still only 5 billion years old out of 10, and the universe is 14 billion. I dont think any advanced race would have survived the 1st gen, and if they did they would be vastly different from us.

Somewhere, there might be some superadvanced civilization waiting to be found, but considering the risk of self destruction, that is somehow highly unlikely. We could very well be the super advanced race, and we should need to create a prime directive.
 
2012-08-21 10:04:16 AM
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They left Earth before we did...!!

We're so dumb!
 
2012-08-21 10:05:00 AM
Entirely possible.

But then in the grand scheme of things a few hundred thousand years is nothing. All you would need is sentient life that's equally intelligent to humans but who evolved 100-300 hundred thousand years sooner. We can't even imagine what the technology would be like a thousand years from now much less one hundred thousand. It's also possible that life equally intelligent to humans hasn't yet figured out how to live outside a hunter gatherer culture yet. Modern human existence is such a spec on the cosmic timeline that the possibilities are endless.
 
2012-08-21 10:06:52 AM
Headline connection to TFA about rover arm?
Anyway, screw what if. What do we know? Do we know of any more advanced races than us? We might be the first ones. This puts some urgency on our shoulders to try to live up to that role, whatever it means. Maybe we get to decide what it means. Wouldn't that be cool?
 
2012-08-21 10:08:17 AM
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2012-08-21 10:08:47 AM

Lonestar: I dont think any advanced race would have survived the 1st gen,


I do not think there is any theory on how life could be sustained on the limited elements that existed in the 1st gen stars.
 
2012-08-21 10:12:57 AM

Lonestar: I dont think any advanced race would have survived the 1st gen


Yeah, all the characters got wiped after beta.
 
2012-08-21 10:16:46 AM

satanorsanta: Mugato: I would think the probability of that is as close to zero as you can get. Our galaxy is an infant as galaxies go. And that's just our galaxy. Our planet is a microscopic dot inside billions of microscopic dots. I'm sure that concept farks with a lot of people's religious beliefs but it's true. Somebody somewhere has to be smarter than we are.

But there is the real possibility that FTL travel is truly impossible and there is no way to realistically travel very far on the galactic scale. If that is the case then no race anywhere has a high probability of meeting another intelligent race within a reasonable amount of time. Travel to the nearest stars would take decades while colonization and farther travel would take millennia.

It is more likely that we colonize a nearby star system forget about it for a thousand years while technology gets farked then re-find the colony as divergent evolution has taken place and the people look like people from star trek (close but not quite right). Either that or a slow and steady expansion akin to bacteria.


there will never be a way to propel a starship at FTL speeds. It is simply physically impossible.

so is warp drive and all that other ridiculous nonsense, as is any sort of REAL manned deep space travel.

There will never be a fleet of starships. there is no reason for us to GO anywhere other than MAYBE Mars and there is no REAL reason to send a human there to begin with other than to say we did.

space travel is useless to humanity for the most part. i could be wrong, I suppose, but it is just DAMNED unlikely that any of the stuff I spoke of will ever come to pass.

are we alone in the universe? no farking way, it is just too damn big and ancient, but the fact that the universe is THIS old and there has been no contact whatsoever with any alien race speaks volumes about faster than light travel. If it was possible, we would have already made first contact with SOMEONE SOMEWHERE.

but nothing. not a peep, not a sighting, NOTHING. That means that even if there are civilizations out there, we will never ever hear from or reach them because we are all just too damn far apart.
 
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