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(NFL)   Reporter: "Matt Hasselbeck, how do you feel about being replaced at your job?" Matt Hasselbeck: "Oh, it's farkin' great, I'm excited for Jake (farkin' dumbass reporter)"   (nfl.com) divider line 88
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2012-08-21 09:23:17 AM  
first off: I didn't read the article

He is a pretty good guy, and smart enough to know his playing days are pretty much behind him. Does he want to start, OF COURSE, but he is'nt going to make a national scene based on what he wants (hear that MJD?)

I think he probably is a little bit excited for Jake Locker. Excited to see him throw the ball into triple coverage, and throw the ball over the heads of receivers :)
 
2012-08-21 09:37:34 AM  
At least it isn't Rusty Smith.
 
2012-08-21 09:39:08 AM  
"Now I'm ready."

/got nuthin'
 
2012-08-21 09:39:39 AM  
I'd be excited to carry a clip board for a few years.
 
2012-08-21 09:43:20 AM  

Devo: I'd be excited to carry a clip board for a few years.


Especially for a couple of million dollars
 
2012-08-21 09:54:30 AM  
"Hey, I look a my brother and tell myself I could be doing worse."
 
2012-08-21 10:26:51 AM  
"We want the ball, and we're gonna score!"

///Makes me laugh every time. Nothing against Hasselbeck, just one of the best moments in instant karma ever.
 
2012-08-21 10:36:24 AM  
I hope this means that he'll get more time to spend with his crazy wife.
 
2012-08-21 10:42:50 AM  

Your Zionist Leader: Devo: I'd be excited to carry a clip board for a few years.

Especially for a couple of million dollars


For a couple million dollars a season? I'd carry the clipboard, fetch their coffee and lunch, wash their cars, run their errands, do their grocery shopping...
 
2012-08-21 10:47:43 AM  

PsyLord: I hope this means that he'll get more time to spend with his crazy wife.


If you're talking about Elizabeth, she's his sister-in-law
 
2012-08-21 10:48:57 AM  

PsyLord: I hope this means that he'll get more time to spend with his crazy wife.


That ho belongs to his bro
 
2012-08-21 10:58:28 AM  
MLB doesn't have drug testing, it's more like an intelligence test. Every one gets tested when they show up at camp and almost no one gets tested offseason. They have a few possible random tests but the number of randoms is capped. If they really wanted to catch people they would have more testing, you wouldn't know when any of them were, and they would test all players in the offseason instead of a measly 3%.

Conclusion: They want to be able to say they have drug testing to appease the public but they actually don't want to catch all the juicers.
 
2012-08-21 11:03:07 AM  
Eh, with the schedule the Titans have, they're probably starting 1-3 or 0-4 no matter who's under center. And Houston's a lock to win the division this year, anyway. Might as well let Locker have his growing pains this season. A .500 year would be successful, anything over that would be a minor miracle.
 
2012-08-21 11:09:05 AM  
I'd would totally fark the hell out of his crazy, Republican wife. She's freaking hot.
 
2012-08-21 11:18:21 AM  
Time to get that tough rookie season out of Locker. Yeah, Titans have an uphill battle this season.

I say we rename LP Field to the HURT LOCKER! Get it? Locker? I...eh...
 
2012-08-21 11:18:31 AM  

Heel It Down The Drain: I'd would totally fark the hell out of his crazy, Republican wife. She's freaking hot.


I'm not sure I've ever noticed a pic of his wife, but I'm sure she's probably very bangable.

I would, however, knock the bottom out of his crazy SIL...
 
2012-08-21 11:27:27 AM  
Any time someone goes 4/11 for 21 yards with an INT against backups, you know it's time to move them into the starting role.
 
2012-08-21 11:29:37 AM  

sotua: Your Zionist Leader: Devo: I'd be excited to carry a clip board for a few years.

Especially for a couple of million dollars

For a couple million dollars a season? I'd carry the clipboard, fetch their coffee and lunch, wash their cars, run their errands, do their grocery shopping...


Did I say a couple? According to google his salary for this season is $5.5 million. I would definitely carry the clipboard and be the fan favorite for that much money
 
2012-08-21 11:30:15 AM  

Gonz: Eh, with the schedule the Titans have, they're probably starting 1-3 or 0-4 no matter who's under center. And Houston's a lock to win the division this year, anyway. Might as well let Locker have his growing pains this season. A .500 year would be successful, anything over that would be a minor miracle.


So what part of Texas are you from?

api.ning.com 
Pretty excited about the season
 
2012-08-21 11:36:51 AM  

Your Zionist Leader: sotua: Your Zionist Leader: Devo: I'd be excited to carry a clip board for a few years.

Especially for a couple of million dollars

For a couple million dollars a season? I'd carry the clipboard, fetch their coffee and lunch, wash their cars, run their errands, do their grocery shopping...

Did I say a couple? According to google his salary for this season is $5.5 million. I would definitely carry the clipboard and be the fan favorite for that much money


Five and a half million dollars? Hell, throw in laundry, windows, and even designated driver!
 
2012-08-21 11:56:32 AM  

Analgesic: At least it isn't Rusty Smith.


Two words: Jason Guesser.

If that didn't make you mad: Al Delgreco (I know he's a kicker, but I hate that bastard!)
 
2012-08-21 11:59:46 AM  

IAmRight: Any time someone goes 4/11 for 21 yards with an INT against backups, you know it's time to move them into the starting role.


The Titans were dumb enough to ignore Locker's "accomplishments" in college. Why would you expect them to care about his stats now?
 
2012-08-21 12:00:49 PM  

Tannhauser: Time to get that tough rookie season out of Locker. Yeah, Titans have an uphill battle this season.

I say we rename LP Field to the HURT LOCKER! Get it? Locker? I...eh...


I hope Locker doesn't end up like Patrick Ramsey did after Marty Shotenheimer wrecked his career in his rookie season.
 
2012-08-21 12:02:25 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Gonz: Eh, with the schedule the Titans have, they're probably starting 1-3 or 0-4 no matter who's under center. And Houston's a lock to win the division this year, anyway. Might as well let Locker have his growing pains this season. A .500 year would be successful, anything over that would be a minor miracle.

So what part of Texas are you from?

[api.ning.com image 594x404] 
Pretty excited about the season


Bay City?
 
2012-08-21 12:03:45 PM  
Whenever Hasselbeck retires, I hope he knows that he has the almost complete adulation of the entire city of Seattle. He was probably the best QB the team ever had.

/yes, even with the occasional Farvrian throws
 
2012-08-21 12:12:55 PM  

PowerSlacker: The Titans were dumb enough to ignore Locker's "accomplishments" in college. Why would you expect them to care about his stats now?


Dude, he batted like .280 against Nebraska in two games. That's pretty decent numbers.

Wait, that was his completion percentage in those games IN HIS SENIOR SEASON? Oh.
 
2012-08-21 12:14:50 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: So what part of Texas are you from?


Lexington, KY originally. I'm a fan, but also a dispassionate football observer. Let's look at the schedule:

1 New England L (0-1)
2 San Diego Tossup, but probably an L (0-2)
3 Detroit L (0-3)
4 at Houston L (0-4)
5 at Minnesota W (1-4)
6 Pittsburgh L (1-5)
7 at Buffalo W (2-5)
8 Indianapolis W (3-5)
9 Chicago Tossup. Went with an L for SD, so let's call this a W (4-5)
10 at Miami W (5-5)
11 Bye
12 at Jacksonville W (6-5)
13 Houston L (6-6)
14 at Indianapolis W (7-6)
15 NY Jets W (8-6)
16 at Green Bay L (8-7)
17 Jacksonville W (9-7)

If- IF- everything falls into absolute perfect place, 10-6 MIGHT be possible, but I don't see it. I don't necessarily think the division games are going to work out like I predicted, because they're division games, and those are screwy. There's a chance the Titans are going to beat Houston once, but that's offset by the likelihood of the Colts or Jaguars stealing a game.

Don't forget, Dan Orlovsky led the Colts to victory over Tennessee last year.

If you disagree with me, that's cool. Where do you think I was wrong? Show your work.
 
2012-08-21 12:20:13 PM  

Gonz: If you disagree with me, that's cool. Where do you think I was wrong? Show your work.


You posted a photo of Chris Johnson, as if the Titans also drafted a time machine with which to rescue 2010 Chris Johnson from the holdout and the disappointment his career's become. You can't unring a bell, and you can't make an old running back fast again. Chris Johnson is different from most people in that most people run faster after stealing more than $50 million.
 
2012-08-21 12:24:36 PM  

Gonz: If- IF- everything falls into absolute perfect place, 10-6 MIGHT be possible, but I don't see it. I don't necessarily think the division games are going to work out like I predicted, because they're division games, and those are screwy. There's a chance the Titans are going to beat Houston once, but that's offset by the likelihood of the Colts or Jaguars stealing a game.


And your outlook is really, really nice to the Titans. I think they lose in Buffalo (that's before Buffalo usually falls apart) and they definitely lose to Chicago (one of the better teams in the league - this year even if Cutler goes down they have Jason Campbell...and they've upgraded everywhere they were weak). Don't they usually drop a game to Jacksonville, too? Indy's looking pretty good in preseason...if Locker's starting I'm thinking the Titans go 5-11 or so.
 
2012-08-21 12:27:24 PM  

EyeballKid: You posted a photo of Chris Johnson, as if the Titans also drafted a time machine with which to rescue 2010 Chris Johnson from the holdout and the disappointment his career's become.


Excuse me, I did not post the picture of CopSpeed. I am the guy who will argue vociferously against paying a star RB, because they're the most replaceable player on the team. Let them go into free agency, and let the Redskins give them a huge contract. Draft a new one instead. A decent line- and, especially, decent guards- do as much for the team's overall run game as the back himself, and if you don't believe me, ask yourself if Emmitt Smith would be the all-time yardage leader without Larry Allen.
 
2012-08-21 12:36:03 PM  

EyeballKid: Gonz: If you disagree with me, that's cool. Where do you think I was wrong? Show your work.

You posted a photo of Chris Johnson, as if the Titans also drafted a time machine with which to rescue 2010 Chris Johnson from the holdout and the disappointment his career's become. You can't unring a bell, and you can't make an old running back fast again. Chris Johnson is different from most people in that most people run faster after stealing more than $50 million.



He still owes me an apology for stinking up my fantasy team two years in a row.
 
2012-08-21 12:41:01 PM  

IAmRight: And your outlook is really, really nice to the Titans. I think they lose in Buffalo (that's before Buffalo usually falls apart) and they definitely lose to Chicago (one of the better teams in the league - this year even if Cutler goes down they have Jason Campbell...and they've upgraded everywhere they were weak). Don't they usually drop a game to Jacksonville, too? Indy's looking pretty good in preseason...if Locker's starting I'm thinking the Titans go 5-11 or so.


Yeah, the Bills actually spent money on talent this year, which is weird. They should have a pretty good defense, and a beastly running game with Spiller and Jackson.

The San Diego, Chicago, and Pittsburgh games were tough to call. I can actually see the Titans beating the Steelers, because I think that PIT is looking old and slow right now, and they're in for a down season. I think they're the third-best team in the AFC North, and not just by a little bit.

I don't legitimately think the Titans are going to go on a 5 game winning streak in the middle of the season, because it's the NFL, and "any given Sunday" and all that, but I also can't sit here and say that, say, Miami will beat them. The NFL's an 8-8 league. It's tough to do better than 11-5, and it's tough to do worse than 5-11.
 
2012-08-21 12:42:22 PM  
My bad, Gonz. Guess I was going too fast, which Load Screen (Chris Johnson's new video game-based nickname with regards to his speed) doesn't have to worry about.

The_Sponge, you and me both in that regard.
 
2012-08-21 12:42:35 PM  

Gonz: It's tough to do better than 11-5, and it's tough to do worse than 5-11.


Which is why I changed my opinion of how they'd do from 4-12 to 5-11. =)

/Locker isn't that good
//wasn't even that good in college
 
2012-08-21 12:45:09 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Whenever Hasselbeck retires, I hope he knows that he has the almost complete adulation of the entire city of Seattle. He was probably the best QB the team ever had.

/yes, even with the occasional Farvrian throws


bigsportslodown.com

Is unamused by your shenannigans.

And also

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/822/980/3 3 4009_display_image.jpg?1301518609
 
2012-08-21 01:22:59 PM  
wow, everyone hating a team from TN. that's so new and refreshing here on Fark.

orangevol.files.wordpress.com
I'll just leave this here

/Go Vols
//Go Titans, but to a lesser extent
 
2012-08-21 01:31:05 PM  

Rent Party: Dave Kreig


I still remember my grandmother yelling GODDAMMIT KREIG at the top of her lungs whenever we were over there on Sunday. Good times.
 
2012-08-21 01:35:01 PM  

oldsbone: Rent Party: Dave Kreig

I still remember my grandmother yelling GODDAMMIT KREIG at the top of her lungs whenever we were over there on Sunday. Good times.


That dude did more with less* than any other QB in history. 1983 AFC championship game after whipping on Miami in Miami and Denver in Denver. So he beat Marino and Elway back to back.

* Less does not include Steve Largent or Curt Warner.

And also, Warren Moon.

Hasselbeck was one among many mediocre Sadhawk QBs. He might be top three, but he certainly isn't the best that's ever played for this team.
 
2012-08-21 01:39:00 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: wow, everyone hating a team from TN. that's so new and refreshing here on Fark.


Not everyone, some of us could give a rat's ass and that's an item most people don't have laying around.
 
2012-08-21 01:42:36 PM  

Kurmudgeon: ModernPrimitive01: wow, everyone hating a team from TN. that's so new and refreshing here on Fark.

Not everyone, some of us could give a rat's ass and that's an item most people don't have laying around.


I don't think saying the Titans stink is hating. I think it's just stating facts.
 
2012-08-21 01:44:48 PM  

IAmRight: PowerSlacker: The Titans were dumb enough to ignore Locker's "accomplishments" in college. Why would you expect them to care about his stats now?

Dude, he batted like .280 against Nebraska in two games. That's pretty decent numbers.

Wait, that was his completion percentage in those games IN HIS SENIOR SEASON? Oh.


Locker is the poster child for what can go wrong when a projected first rounder skips the draft to stay in college another year.
 
2012-08-21 01:48:21 PM  

JohnBigBootay:

Locker is the poster child for what can go wrong when a projected first rounder skips the draft to stay in college another year.


You go eighth overall in the NFL draft?

That poor kid!

Locker is going to be a superstar QB in four years. He will exceed all expectations this year. He's tall, fast, and has a strong arm and a quick release. He's also smart.
 
2012-08-21 01:57:14 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Locker is the poster child for what can go wrong when a projected first rounder skips the draft to stay in college another year.


Hell, he was overrated after his junior year, too.

Rent Party: Locker is going to be a superstar QB in four years.


HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-08-21 02:01:44 PM  

Rent Party: JohnBigBootay:

Locker is the poster child for what can go wrong when a projected first rounder skips the draft to stay in college another year.

You go eighth overall in the NFL draft?

That poor kid!

Locker is going to be a superstar QB in four years. He will exceed all expectations this year. He's tall, fast, and has a strong arm and a quick release. He's also smart.


His Wonderlic score was 20 and his completion percentage in college was abysmal by NFL standards.

If you're trolling, 9.5/10.
 
2012-08-21 02:04:17 PM  

The_Sponge: He still owes me an apology for stinking up my fantasy team two years in a row.


And yet he's still consistently getting drafted in the top 30. I don't get it.

/coby fleeeeeeener
 
2012-08-21 02:04:39 PM  

PowerSlacker: Rent Party: JohnBigBootay:

Locker is the poster child for what can go wrong when a projected first rounder skips the draft to stay in college another year.

You go eighth overall in the NFL draft?

That poor kid!

Locker is going to be a superstar QB in four years. He will exceed all expectations this year. He's tall, fast, and has a strong arm and a quick release. He's also smart.

His Wonderlic score was 20 and his completion percentage in college was abysmal by NFL standards.

If you're trolling, 9.5/10.


His completion percentage his Junior year would have put him just outside the top 50 all time in the NFL. His senior year would have just missed the top 100 NFL all time.

Plus, he can run.

Perhaps you don't know WTF you're talking about. I'm gonna go with that.
 
2012-08-21 02:06:08 PM  

Rent Party: You go eighth overall in the NFL draft?


Good point. I guess I just meant that he seemed to get worse and probably left some money on the table. As for him becoming a superstar, anything is possible but my money is against at this early date.
 
2012-08-21 02:08:54 PM  

Rent Party: PowerSlacker: Rent Party: JohnBigBootay:

Locker is the poster child for what can go wrong when a projected first rounder skips the draft to stay in college another year.

You go eighth overall in the NFL draft?

That poor kid!

Locker is going to be a superstar QB in four years. He will exceed all expectations this year. He's tall, fast, and has a strong arm and a quick release. He's also smart.

His Wonderlic score was 20 and his completion percentage in college was abysmal by NFL standards.

If you're trolling, 9.5/10.

His completion percentage his Junior year would have put him just outside the top 50 all time in the NFL. His senior year would have just missed the top 100 NFL all time.

Plus, he can run.

Perhaps you don't know WTF you're talking about. I'm gonna go with that.


This just in: It's easier to complete passes in college football than it is in the NFL. See Tim Tebow for example.

Locker is a homeless man's Tebow, and I watched a LOT of Locker in college. In case you didn't notice, Washington upgraded with Keith Price at quarterback replacing Locker.
 
2012-08-21 02:10:56 PM  
On a somewhat related note, college tickets are getting expensive this year. I just paid $85 a piece for tickets to the Vols SEC opener against the Gators.

/threadjack over
 
2012-08-21 02:11:46 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: You go eighth overall in the NFL draft?

Good point. I guess I just meant that he seemed to get worse and probably left some money on the table. As for him becoming a superstar, anything is possible but my money is against at this early date.


No 1st year starting QB is going to be a standout player. Locker has all the tools, though, and Loggains (Titans QB coach) managed to get great results out of both Hasselbeck and Kerry Collins. Munchack is a "teaching coach" as well.

From a development standpoint, Locker couldn't be in a better position.
 
2012-08-21 02:14:51 PM  

Rent Party: JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: You go eighth overall in the NFL draft?

Good point. I guess I just meant that he seemed to get worse and probably left some money on the table. As for him becoming a superstar, anything is possible but my money is against at this early date.

No 1st year starting QB is going to be a standout player. Locker has all the tools, though, and Loggains (Titans QB coach) managed to get great results out of both Hasselbeck and Kerry Collins. Munchack is a "teaching coach" as well.

From a development standpoint, Locker couldn't be in a better position.


He's missing two key tools: Intelligence (20 Wonderlic sucks by QB standards) and field vision.
 
2012-08-21 02:18:08 PM  

PowerSlacker: Rent Party: PowerSlacker: Rent Party: JohnBigBootay:

Locker is the poster child for what can go wrong when a projected first rounder skips the draft to stay in college another year.

You go eighth overall in the NFL draft?

That poor kid!

Locker is going to be a superstar QB in four years. He will exceed all expectations this year. He's tall, fast, and has a strong arm and a quick release. He's also smart.

His Wonderlic score was 20 and his completion percentage in college was abysmal by NFL standards.

If you're trolling, 9.5/10.

His completion percentage his Junior year would have put him just outside the top 50 all time in the NFL. His senior year would have just missed the top 100 NFL all time.

Plus, he can run.

Perhaps you don't know WTF you're talking about. I'm gonna go with that.

This just in: It's easier to complete passes in college football than it is in the NFL. See Tim Tebow for example.


Oh wait, so we've gone from "His completion percentages were dismal by NFL standards" to "it's harder to complete a pass in the NFL?" Moving the goalposts much?


Locker is a homeless man's Tebow, and I watched a LOT of Locker in college. In case you didn't notice, Washington upgraded with Keith Price at quarterback replacing Locker.

Locker is a bigger, faster, right handed Steve Young.

 
2012-08-21 02:19:40 PM  
www.troll.me
 
2012-08-21 02:22:30 PM  

PowerSlacker: Rent Party: JohnBigBootay:

Locker is the poster child for what can go wrong when a projected first rounder skips the draft to stay in college another year.

You go eighth overall in the NFL draft?

That poor kid!

Locker is going to be a superstar QB in four years. He will exceed all expectations this year. He's tall, fast, and has a strong arm and a quick release. He's also smart.

His Wonderlic score was 20 and his completion percentage in college was abysmal by NFL standards.

If you're trolling, 9.5/10.


Isn't it a little early to judge the 2011 QB class? Locker/Ponder/Gabbert didn't look very good last year, but rookie QBs rarely do. #1 picks like Newton doing well isn't unprecedented, and Dalton only looked good because he got half his yards on jump balls to AJ Green before defenses recovered from the lockout.

Aaron Rodgers wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire after his 2nd preseason either, and he was on a team that actually knew how to coach QBs.
 
2012-08-21 02:24:54 PM  

PowerSlacker: Rent Party: JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: You go eighth overall in the NFL draft?

Good point. I guess I just meant that he seemed to get worse and probably left some money on the table. As for him becoming a superstar, anything is possible but my money is against at this early date.

No 1st year starting QB is going to be a standout player. Locker has all the tools, though, and Loggains (Titans QB coach) managed to get great results out of both Hasselbeck and Kerry Collins. Munchack is a "teaching coach" as well.

From a development standpoint, Locker couldn't be in a better position.

He's missing two key tools: Intelligence (20 Wonderlic sucks by QB standards) and field vision.


You Cam Newton only scored a 21, right? He must really suck.

The Wonderlic is indicative of absolutely nothing except a person's ability to do well on pop quizzes. There is absolutely *no* correlation between the Wonderlic score and a QBs success or failure in the NFL. None. Not one.

The guy was an academic All-American, though, and finished with a degree in history with a 3.75 GPA, so I'll take that stat as a measure of how smart the guy is.
 
2012-08-21 02:28:26 PM  

PowerSlacker: This just in: It's easier to complete passes in college football than it is in the NFL. See Tim Tebow for example.


Good lord, I was about to bring up Tebow for an entirely different reason. Anyone saying "his college performance" is ignoring one HUGE variable- the quality of wide receivers he had.

Tebow had Percy Harvin. It's easy to pad your stats when there's a huge window down the sideline where, if you get the ball in that general area, your WR will make the play. Especially when said WR is two steps faster off the line than the CB who's covering him. I don't know what sort of weapons Locker had at Washington, but I'm guessing an NFL WR corps is an upgrade.

And using college stats for a predictor of NFL success is rather pointless. Tom Brady couldn't consistently START in college. Hell, Matt Cassel couldn't beat out Leinart- Matt freaking Leinart- and Cassel is a serviceable NFL QB.
 
2012-08-21 02:29:25 PM  

roc6783: "We want the ball, and we're gonna score!"

///Makes me laugh every time. Nothing against Hasselbeck, just one of the best moments in instant karma ever.


We want the ball, and we're gonna score!
 
2012-08-21 02:34:51 PM  

Rent Party:
Oh wait, so we've gone from "His completion percentages were dismal by NFL standards" to "it's harder to complete a pass in the NFL?" Moving the goalposts much?


I actually owe you a partial apology. I assumed that completion percentages go down from college to the NFL, but it looks like most of the QBs in the NFL now are a couple points higher in the NFL than they were in college. I picked a terrible example with Tim Tebow.

Using that trend, we should expect Jake Locker to complete about 56% of his passes in the NFL (he was a 53.9% career passer in college). That would tie him for 38th out of the 42 active quarterbacks tracked by Pro Football Reference.

By the way, Steve Young was a 65.2% passer in college and 64.3% in the NFL.

Completion percentage isn't everything, and you are right about Locker's ability as a runner. The big concern though is that Locker's accuracy to date is frighteningly low by current NFL standards.
 
2012-08-21 02:35:12 PM  

Rent Party: His completion percentage his Junior year would have put him just outside the top 50 all time in the NFL. His senior year would have just missed the top 100 NFL all time.


"By NFL standards" means "what the NFL expects out of guys coming from college" not "compared to percentages in the NFL."
 
2012-08-21 02:40:00 PM  

PowerSlacker: Rent Party:
Oh wait, so we've gone from "His completion percentages were dismal by NFL standards" to "it's harder to complete a pass in the NFL?" Moving the goalposts much?

I actually owe you a partial apology. I assumed that completion percentages go down from college to the NFL, but it looks like most of the QBs in the NFL now are a couple points higher in the NFL than they were in college. I picked a terrible example with Tim Tebow.


Oh yeah! Well.... OK then...

Now what?
 
2012-08-21 02:41:03 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: His completion percentage his Junior year would have put him just outside the top 50 all time in the NFL. His senior year would have just missed the top 100 NFL all time.

"By NFL standards" means "what the NFL expects out of guys coming from college" not "compared to percentages in the NFL."


They thought enough of it "coming out of college" to draft him eighth overall, so I'm gonna go with "you're wrong here, too."
 
2012-08-21 02:49:36 PM  

Rent Party: They thought enough of it "coming out of college" to draft him eighth overall, so I'm gonna go with "you're wrong here, too."


Sometimes people don't employ intelligent decision-makers. Locker will be mediocre at best.

/then again, Matt Ryan sucked in college and has been above-average in the NFL
 
2012-08-21 02:52:25 PM  

Rent Party: No 1st year starting QB is going to be a standout player.


Andy Dalton and Cam Newton disagree. Lots of rookie starters have had good years. Wasn't roethlisberger 15-1 as a rookie starter? It's hardly unprecedented that rookies qb's do well in their first year. More don't than do of course.
 
2012-08-21 02:53:55 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: They thought enough of it "coming out of college" to draft him eighth overall, so I'm gonna go with "you're wrong here, too."

Sometimes people don't employ intelligent decision-makers.


Yes. That is how they reach the pinnacle of their chosen career in the NFL, instead of coaching Jr high school football teams while moonlighting at the local Burger Fry.


Locker will be mediocre at best.


Locker is going to be a star.
 
2012-08-21 02:54:20 PM  
Oh, and I don't care about the wonderlic. Plenty of geniuses suck at football and lots of meatheads were excellent qb's. I guess you'd rather be high than low but it's hardly a predictor of qb success.
 
2012-08-21 02:54:58 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Oh, and I don't care about the wonderlic. Plenty of geniuses suck at football and lots of meatheads were excellent qb's. I guess you'd rather be high than low but it's hardly a predictor of qb success.


It is no predictor at all of QB success.
 
2012-08-21 02:57:47 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Wasn't roethlisberger 15-1 as a rookie starter? It's hardly unprecedented that rookies qb's do well in their first year. More don't than do of course.


Roethlisberger didn't really do sh*t, but he was 13-0 as a rookie starter. Threw a whole 17 TDs and 11 picks.

I don't think that the Titans are quite the team the Steelers were at that point.
 
2012-08-21 02:59:12 PM  

Rent Party: oldsbone: Rent Party: Dave Kreig

I still remember my grandmother yelling GODDAMMIT KREIG at the top of her lungs whenever we were over there on Sunday. Good times.

That dude did more with less* than any other QB in history. 1983 AFC championship game after whipping on Miami in Miami and Denver in Denver. So he beat Marino and Elway back to back.

* Less does not include Steve Largent or Curt Warner.

And also, Warren Moon.

Hasselbeck was one among many mediocre Sadhawk QBs. He might be top three, but he certainly isn't the best that's ever played for this team.


Pffft, I remember the crowd applauding Kreig when he broke the record for most fumbles by a QB. He was a good QB, but he wasn't to Hasselbeck levels. For a few seasons (04-06ish), Hass was the best QB in the NFC.
 
2012-08-21 02:59:20 PM  

Rent Party: Locker is going to be a star.


Keep saying it! I DO believe in fairies! Keep saying it! You gotta keep clapping in order for it to happen!

You must be the only person that actually saw Locker play that actually believes that.
 
2012-08-21 03:01:28 PM  

Rent Party: Locker is going to be a star.


I applaud you for your unequivocal confidence. I wish him well - seems like a good kid. I'm a numbers guy and he just doesn't have enough to mean much yet. He ain't knocking my socks off from what I've seen but it's certainly possible he becomes a fine qb. I just don't know from whence your immense confidence springs.
 
2012-08-21 03:04:22 PM  
Matt is a team player. I think he's being honest there.
Still...I'm excited to see Locker play.

/Hawks fan
 
2012-08-21 03:04:54 PM  

IAmRight: Roethlisberger didn't really do sh*t, but he was 13-0 as a rookie starter. Threw a whole 17 TDs and 11 picks.


I didn't say he was joe farking montana but you would have to be pretty unreasonable to say he didn't 'do well' as a rookie which is what I believe I said.
 
2012-08-21 03:11:17 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I didn't say he was joe farking montana but you would have to be pretty unreasonable to say he didn't 'do well' as a rookie


Well, he did well because he had a beastly team around him. Locker doesn't really have that benefit.

/Newton is likely to have a "slump" and Dalton's numbers weren't crazy good or anything, since I didn't comment on the others that were listed before
//the Bengals got better because they played the NFC West and AFC South last year, the second-easiest schedule in the league (Pittsburgh was No. 1)
///the Panthers got better when they realized "Hey wait, this year our two awesome RBs are both healthy! Let's actually use them!"
 
2012-08-21 03:16:09 PM  

ArmyWarVet: Two words: Jason Guesser.


Jason Gesser
 
2012-08-21 03:39:54 PM  

IAmRight: JohnBigBootay: I didn't say he was joe farking montana but you would have to be pretty unreasonable to say he didn't 'do well' as a rookie

Well, he did well because he had a beastly team around him. Locker doesn't really have that benefit.

/Newton is likely to have a "slump" and Dalton's numbers weren't crazy good or anything, since I didn't comment on the others that were listed before
//the Bengals got better because they played the NFC West and AFC South last year, the second-easiest schedule in the league (Pittsburgh was No. 1)
///the Panthers got better when they realized "Hey wait, this year our two awesome RBs are both healthy! Let's actually use them!"


Not sure you are being fair to old Ben. He's turned out to be a pretty darn good if not exceptional qb. Not sure you can plug in any old retread backup and go 15-1 on any team. Since he followed that early success up with decent play I'm gonna grant him his fair share of the credit. Plenty of other dudes played qb for the steelers between Bradshaw and him and many of them had pretty good teams around them as well. But he did suck in that super bowl.
 
2012-08-21 03:53:38 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: Locker is going to be a star.

Keep saying it! I DO believe in fairies! Keep saying it! You gotta keep clapping in order for it to happen!

You must be the only person that actually saw Locker play that actually believes that.


It's funny how the Locker Cult keeps saying these things even after he has been comprehensively outplayed by Keith Price.
 
2012-08-21 03:59:51 PM  

PowerSlacker: It's funny how the Locker Cult keeps saying these things even after he has been comprehensively outplayed by Keith Price.


The Huskies almost beat BYU with Locker at QB! Legend!
 
2012-08-21 04:02:10 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Plenty of other dudes played qb for the steelers between Bradshaw and him and many of them had pretty good teams around them as well.


Yeah, Tommy Maddox went 10-6 one year, Kordell Stewart went like 13-3 or something. I don't think anyone thinks those guys were good.

Roethlisberger has become a much better QB, but in his rookie year he was basically a "hey, don't f*ck this up too much" guy. To his credit, he didn't. But when we're talking great rookie seasons in terms of QB play, Roethlisberger is only on the list because his team was good.
 
2012-08-21 04:11:55 PM  

IAmRight: Yeah, Tommy Maddox went 10-6 one year, Kordell Stewart went like 13-3 or something. I don't think anyone thinks those guys were good.

Roethlisberger has become a much better QB, but in his rookie year he was basically a "hey, don't f*ck this up too much" guy. To his credit, he didn't. But when we're talking great rookie seasons in terms of QB play, Roethlisberger is only on the list because his team was good.



They weren't rookies but we're splitting hairs anyway. This all started with 'did well' as a rookie. He did well - I don't mean to make any more of it than that. He's not 'great' even now. I'm not the best ranker of guys but I'd say he's comfortably in the top third and that's enough to win if you have a team and a coach who do their jobs. He's occasionally exceptional and occasionally he throws up a stink bomb but all in all I'm happy to have him. Even if he is a farking meathead of the highest order.

And I'm happy to have old reliable Batch on the bench - good enough for a game or two every year and he's not looking for more. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather they left Leftwich go and keep Jerrod Johnson and see if he can develop. Leftwich bugs the hell out of me.
 
2012-08-21 04:18:11 PM  

Gonz: ModernPrimitive01: So what part of Texas are you from?

Lexington, KY originally. I'm a fan, but also a dispassionate football observer. Let's look at the schedule:

1 New England L (0-1)
2 San Diego Tossup, but probably an L (0-2)
3 Detroit L (0-3)
4 at Houston L (0-4)
5 at Minnesota W (1-4)
6 Pittsburgh L (1-5)
7 at Buffalo W (2-5)
8 Indianapolis W (3-5)
9 Chicago Tossup. Went with an L for SD, so let's call this a W (4-5)
10 at Miami W (5-5)
11 Bye
12 at Jacksonville W (6-5)
13 Houston L (6-6)
14 at Indianapolis W (7-6)
15 NY Jets W (8-6)
16 at Green Bay L (8-7)
17 Jacksonville W (9-7)

If- IF- everything falls into absolute perfect place, 10-6 MIGHT be possible, but I don't see it. I don't necessarily think the division games are going to work out like I predicted, because they're division games, and those are screwy. There's a chance the Titans are going to beat Houston once, but that's offset by the likelihood of the Colts or Jaguars stealing a game.

Don't forget, Dan Orlovsky led the Colts to victory over Tennessee last year.

If you disagree with me, that's cool. Where do you think I was wrong? Show your work.


Weeellll I think the Titans are better than the Chargers early in the season if only because the Chargers are still going to be in "Wait.. isn't this preseason" mode for another six weeks. Regression due to injuries seems likely for Green Bay and maybe even the Steelers at this point. But I think it's equally likely they lose to the Bills. 10 and 6 does seem like a stretch with how that schedule starts.
 
2012-08-21 05:10:10 PM  

Kurmudgeon: ModernPrimitive01: wow, everyone hating a team from TN. that's so new and refreshing here on Fark.

Not everyone, some of us could give a rat's ass and that's an item most people don't have laying around.


I've been a die hard Titans fan since 1999! But as for NCAA, ROLL TIDE!
 
2012-08-21 05:21:36 PM  

stappawho: ArmyWarVet: Two words: Jason Guesser.

Jason Gesser


I was making a joke about his playing ability by miss-spelling his last name. The poor bastard didn't have a clue!
 
2012-08-21 05:23:38 PM  

IAmRight: HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


he's right, hth
 
2012-08-21 08:47:45 PM  
IAmRight: : /then again, Matt Ryan sucked in college and has been above-average in the NFL

As someone who is a huge fan of ACC football and watched Ryan play a lot in college, I completely disagree. Matt Ryan was one hell of good quarterback at BC. You must remember that until his senior season his coach ran a very conservative rushing oriented offense and he only had the one season with the pro style offense. Cut loose that one season he aired it out for 4500+ yards. Furthermore, he had no future NFL talent besides himself among the skilled positions on offense, and regularly faced ACC opponents who were well stocked with it. And he won consistently, giving some truly remarkable gritty performances along the way. Who can ever forget him just about single handedly beating Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, in a sleety rain with the VPI students howling like banshees? It was one of the most gutsiest comebacks in ACC history.

He "sucked" in college? No freaking way. He was a great player at the college level.
 
2012-08-21 09:29:35 PM  
Wow I can't imagine having to choose between Locker and Hasselbeck. I would choose to support a different team.
 
2012-08-21 09:42:36 PM  

89 Stick-Up Kid: Wow I can't imagine having to choose between Locker and Hasselbeck. I would choose to support a different team.


Oh come on now. I'm not as high on him as some but Locker has yet to see much playing time. And hasselbeck was a perfectly fine qb for several years. He was never elite but he was certainly 'pretty good'. if you are just talking about now, then sure. hasselbeck is pretty beat but we don't know that locker is gonna suck yet. He might surprise us. Let the kid play a few games, then we can throw him under the bus.
 
2012-08-22 08:37:34 AM  

varmitydog: IAmRight: : /then again, Matt Ryan sucked in college and has been above-average in the NFL

As someone who is a huge fan of ACC football and watched Ryan play a lot in college, I completely disagree. Matt Ryan was one hell of good quarterback at BC. You must remember that until his senior season his coach ran a very conservative rushing oriented offense and he only had the one season with the pro style offense. Cut loose that one season he aired it out for 4500+ yards. Furthermore, he had no future NFL talent besides himself among the skilled positions on offense, and regularly faced ACC opponents who were well stocked with it. And he won consistently, giving some truly remarkable gritty performances along the way. Who can ever forget him just about single handedly beating Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, in a sleety rain with the VPI students howling like banshees? It was one of the most gutsiest comebacks in ACC history.

He "sucked" in college? No freaking way. He was a great player at the college level.


THIS. As an FSU alum, I hated Ryan.
 
2012-08-22 09:45:23 AM  

varmitydog: Who can ever forget him just about single handedly beating Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, in a sleety rain with the VPI students howling like banshees? It was one of the most gutsiest comebacks in ACC history.


He played in a dogsh*t conference and never completed so much as 60% of his passes, that's usually an indication that the guy isn't that good. But yeah, he didn't have that much talent around him and did win more than I remember him winning. I don't put that much stock in beating a VT team that was even overrated at the time thanks to the ACC sucking.

But hey, he wound up beating the odds and becoming slightly above mediocre in the NFL (though I say Michael Turner helped turn the franchise around more than Ryan did).
 
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