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(LA Times)   The real mystery is why NBC allowed "The Tonight Show" to continue to operate with a prime-time budget for more than two years   (latimes.com) divider line 84
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2012-08-21 08:23:27 AM
Ah, Leno... still costing NBC loads of money and ratings after three years when all they had to do was let him walk in the first place.

/or, to be fair, not force him out in the first place. The bottom line is, NBC is retarded.
 
2012-08-21 08:50:53 AM
That's a punchable motherfarking face right there.

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Who the fark watches the Tonight Show?
 
2012-08-21 08:54:32 AM
The real mystery is why NBC allowed "The Tonight Show" to continue to operate with a prime-time budget Leno as host for more than two years months.

/Fix'd.
 
2012-08-21 09:21:04 AM

Mugato: That's a punchable motherfarking face right there.

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Who the fark watches the Tonight Show?


I never found him funny, but I didn't really dislike the guy. Seemed friendly enough.

With the sh*t-show that went on around him and Conan, I can't watch him without feeling disgust. And I only see him in cameo roles like in Entourage.

It's just more evidence that the boomers have a stranglehold on the media, and the rest of us will continue to be fed their drivel as long as they're around.
 
2012-08-21 09:47:23 AM

Babwa Wawa: I never found him funny, but I didn't really dislike the guy. Seemed friendly enough.

With the sh*t-show that went on around him and Conan Letterman, I can't watch him without feeling disgust.


FTFGenX
 
2012-08-21 10:05:48 AM

ThatGuyGreg: FTFGenX


Heh. I'm GenX (b 1971). Never really thought of it that way - just seemed to me at the time that they decided to go different ways. It was always a competition, and Letterman did end up with his own show. The Conan thing was entirely different. And although I like Letterman, he's had his moments of douchery. Constantly packing the Late Late show with sh*tty "talent" like Tom "Narcolepsy" Snyder so he won't be threatened, for example. He's grown, though.

Anyway, both Letterman and Leno are boomers - I believe Letterman's actually a few years older than Leno. But he can't make those blue hairs moist like Leno does.
 
2012-08-21 10:23:47 AM

Babwa Wawa: I believe Letterman's actually a few years older than Leno.


I'd hope so Letterman looks like he's death warmed over.
 
2012-08-21 10:35:34 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Babwa Wawa: I believe Letterman's actually a few years older than Leno.

I'd hope so Letterman looks like he's death warmed over.


To be fair... Letterman has also had a quintuple bypass.
 
2012-08-21 10:37:48 AM
As far as what is described in the article... I am all of a sudden not as concerned over the "cutbacks".

That is like making a big deal about a chain restaurant franchise in Topeka, KS cutting back staff when they were staffed at the level of a mid-town Manhattan franchise.
 
2012-08-21 11:19:07 AM

dletter: To be fair... Letterman has also had a quintuple bypass.


I didn't say there wasnt a reason. That and all the cheating he has done will drain a guy.
 
2012-08-21 11:44:59 AM
NBC has always worshiped Leno for some bizarre reason. It was best shown when they refused to let go of him when Conan had the Tonight Show. The latest I've heard is that Stern was bashing Leno on his radio show yesterday. Today he said he got a letter from the execs telling him not to talk bad about Jay. This, of course, lead Howard to tear into Leno even more.
 
2012-08-21 11:48:41 AM

Babwa Wawa: Constantly packing the Late Late show with sh*tty "talent" like Tom "Narcolepsy" Snyder so he won't be threatened, for example.


Maybe that was true at one point but Craig Ferguson is funnier on his worst day than Letterman is at his best.
 
2012-08-21 11:53:08 AM

poindxtr: NBC has always worshiped Leno for some bizarre reason. It was best shown when they refused to let go of him when Conan had the Tonight Show. The latest I've heard is that Stern was bashing Leno on his radio show yesterday. Today he said he got a letter from the execs telling him not to talk bad about Jay. This, of course, lead Howard to tear into Leno even more.


As farked up and short sighted as that was, NBC had way more to lose if they cancelled Leno's 10pm show and told him to walk, then they did if they let Conan leave the Tonight Show. Leno's contract for that show was just more iron clad than Conan's was.
 
2012-08-21 11:58:11 AM
F*ck you, Jay.
 
2012-08-21 12:01:15 PM
The real mystery is why they continue to pay Leno like he is Carson.
 
2012-08-21 12:05:47 PM

forteblast: Babwa Wawa: Constantly packing the Late Late show with sh*tty "talent" like Tom "Narcolepsy" Snyder so he won't be threatened, for example.

Maybe that was true at one point but Craig Ferguson is funnier on his worst day than Letterman is at his best.


I agree, Ferguson is the only late night show I enjoy.
 
2012-08-21 12:05:47 PM

forteblast: Maybe that was true at one point but Craig Ferguson is funnier on his worst day than Letterman is at his best.


Ferguson (and Kilborn) were forced on Letterman's production company. As in "Get rid of Snyder, or Late Late will be replaced by something not produced by Worldwide Pants."
 
2012-08-21 12:06:24 PM

Babwa Wawa: And although I like Letterman, he's had his moments of douchery. Constantly packing the Late Late show with sh*tty "talent" like Tom "Narcolepsy" Snyder so he won't be threatened, for example.


Tom Snyder did some good work - good enough that Craig Ferguson took time out about a year ago to do a show in Snyder's style with no audience and Stephen Fry as his sole guest (even asked viewers to "fire up a colortini and watch as the pictures fly through the air."

Also, since Letterman originally displaced Snyder when he first went on the air at NBC, it was kind of a classy pay-forward move.
 
2012-08-21 12:07:06 PM
Can a major network actually go out of business, or is NBC too big to fail? They've been sucking it hard for a long time, and as much as I love Parks and Rec, I'm amazed NBC continues on.
 
2012-08-21 12:12:27 PM
Isn't he that dude from the Doritos commercial?
 
2012-08-21 12:14:02 PM
Letterman should have gotten it all those years ago. Leno has sucked for a long time.
 
2012-08-21 12:16:44 PM

Jake Havechek: Letterman should have gotten it all those years ago. Leno has sucked for a long time.


While I agree with you Letterman should have gotten the gig, he's sucked for quite a long while now, too.
 
2012-08-21 12:18:10 PM

Crewmannumber6: Jake Havechek: Letterman should have gotten it all those years ago. Leno has sucked for a long time.

While I agree with you Letterman should have gotten the gig, he's sucked for quite a long while now, too.


He had to leave most of his good jokes at NBC.
 
2012-08-21 12:18:47 PM

verbaltoxin: Can a major network actually go out of business, or is NBC too big to fail? They've been sucking it hard for a long time, and as much as I love Parks and Rec, I'm amazed NBC continues on.


As long as they have the NFL, they will make enough money to program the other 345 days of the year. Their NFL coverage is spectacular. It got that way because they bought up the ABC Monday Night Football production team, so that's one thing they didn't screw up.
 
2012-08-21 12:28:40 PM

hubcity: Babwa Wawa: And although I like Letterman, he's had his moments of douchery. Constantly packing the Late Late show with sh*tty "talent" like Tom "Narcolepsy" Snyder so he won't be threatened, for example.


Tom Snyder did some good work - good enough that Craig Ferguson took time out about a year ago to do a show in Snyder's style with no audience and Stephen Fry as his sole guest (even asked viewers to "fire up a colortini and watch as the pictures fly through the air."

Also, since Letterman originally displaced Snyder when he first went on the air at NBC, it was kind of a classy pay-forward move.


Snyder / Manson was fantastic.
 
2012-08-21 12:39:41 PM
NBC continues to be terrible.
 
2012-08-21 12:46:39 PM

verbaltoxin: Can a major network actually go out of business, or is NBC too big to fail? They've been sucking it hard for a long time, and as much as I love Parks and Rec, I'm amazed NBC continues on.


Let's compare sitcoms:
Fox has Raising Hope and New Girl

ABC has Modern Family (not as good as the critics say, IMHO), The Middle, Happy Endings, Last Man Standing, Suburgatory, Don't trust the biatch in Apt 23

CBS has Two and a Half Men, How I met your mother, Big Bang Theory, Rules of Engagement, Mike and Molly, and 2 Broke Girls. All unwatchable.

NBC has Office, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, Community. Then there's two new shows that haven't aired yet.

As far as I can tell, the only worthwhile sitcoms on broadcast television are aired by NBC.
 
2012-08-21 12:55:10 PM
So - we can get greenlit by simply quoting a line from article? Sweet!
 
2012-08-21 12:56:43 PM

Babwa Wawa: verbaltoxin: Can a major network actually go out of business, or is NBC too big to fail? They've been sucking it hard for a long time, and as much as I love Parks and Rec, I'm amazed NBC continues on.

Let's compare sitcoms:
Fox has Raising Hope and New Girl

ABC has Modern Family (not as good as the critics say, IMHO), The Middle, Happy Endings, Last Man Standing, Suburgatory, Don't trust the biatch in Apt 23

CBS has Two and a Half Men, How I met your mother, Big Bang Theory, Rules of Engagement, Mike and Molly, and 2 Broke Girls. All unwatchable.

NBC has Office, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, Community. Then there's two new shows that haven't aired yet.

As far as I can tell, the only worthwhile sitcoms on broadcast television are aired by NBC.


So right now, NBC has one sitcom that has sucked for a few years and is coasting on its reputation, one that is definitely in its last season, one with horrible ratings that only survives because Sony wants enough episodes for Syndication, and Parks and Rec.

Oh, and you forgot gems like Whitney.
 
2012-08-21 12:58:03 PM
Snyder with Wendy O. Williams and the Plasmatics was the craziest thing I've ever seen on TV. Cutting a Nova in half with a chainsaw makes sweet music.

Didn't see the Manson one, that probably topped it.
 
2012-08-21 12:58:04 PM

Babwa Wawa: verbaltoxin: Can a major network actually go out of business, or is NBC too big to fail? They've been sucking it hard for a long time, and as much as I love Parks and Rec, I'm amazed NBC continues on.

Let's compare sitcoms:
Fox has Raising Hope and New Girl

ABC has Modern Family (not as good as the critics say, IMHO), The Middle, Happy Endings, Last Man Standing, Suburgatory, Don't trust the biatch in Apt 23

CBS has Two and a Half Men, How I met your mother, Big Bang Theory, Rules of Engagement, Mike and Molly, and 2 Broke Girls. All unwatchable.

NBC has Office, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, Community. Then there's two new shows that haven't aired yet.

As far as I can tell, the only worthwhile sitcoms on broadcast television are aired by NBC.


You may think they're worthwhile, but when it comes to the ratings, all the CBS, most of the ABC, and New Girl beat the crap out of the NBC stuff. And it's popularity that keeps shows on network TV, even if 2BrokeGirls:McDonalds::30Rock:RuthChris
 
2012-08-21 01:00:28 PM
poindxtr: NBC has always worshiped Leno for some bizarre reason. It was best shown when they refused to let go of him when Conan had the Tonight Show. The latest I've heard is that Stern was bashing Leno on his radio show yesterday. Today he said he got a letter from the execs telling him not to talk bad about Jay. This, of course, lead Howard to tear into Leno even more.

I haven't heard Stern since he was on free radio but even back then he hated Jay Leno with a passion.
 
2012-08-21 01:01:42 PM

Babwa Wawa: verbaltoxin: Can a major network actually go out of business, or is NBC too big to fail? They've been sucking it hard for a long time, and as much as I love Parks and Rec, I'm amazed NBC continues on.

Let's compare sitcoms:
Fox has Raising Hope and New Girl

ABC has Modern Family (not as good as the critics say, IMHO), The Middle, Happy Endings, Last Man Standing, Suburgatory, Don't trust the biatch in Apt 23

CBS has Two and a Half Men, How I met your mother, Big Bang Theory, Rules of Engagement, Mike and Molly, and 2 Broke Girls. All unwatchable.

NBC has Office, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, Community. Then there's two new shows that haven't aired yet.

As far as I can tell, the only worthwhile sitcoms on broadcast television are aired by NBC.


Guess that is all a matter of opinion.... I don't watch any of the Fox one's, but I liked Modern Family (although I think it's gotten a bit stale last season), The MIddle (but, I'm from Indiana, so, it rings true), watch BBT at lunch with a bunch of other programmers, so, in that context, the show is funnier.

Although I will generally agree, NBC has the better sitcoms, if you are into "Arrested Development" style sitcoms. Unfortunately, as you can tell by most of the top rated sitcoms being on CBS, the general populace somehow finds "Two Broke Girls" and "Mike and Molly" hilarious.
 
2012-08-21 01:01:50 PM
So exactly how bad are the rating for the Tonight Show now? Has it gotten to the point where Colbert is kicking his ass?
 
2012-08-21 01:03:53 PM

priapic_abandon: Snyder with Wendy O. Williams and the Plasmatics was the craziest thing I've ever seen on TV. Cutting a Nova in half with a chainsaw makes sweet music.

Didn't see the Manson one, that probably topped it.


Manson interview on YOu Tube
 
2012-08-21 01:06:28 PM
Speaking of dumb NBC decisions....

Michael J. Fox Returning to NBC; Network Orders 22 Episodes of his New Sit-Com Before Pilot is Shot


/ordering 22 before any shooting is the dumb part, not Michael J. Fox
 
2012-08-21 01:07:37 PM

12349876: /ordering 22 before any shooting is the dumb part, not Michael J. Fox


I wa sgonna say, he killed in Rescue Me
 
2012-08-21 01:08:42 PM

Babwa Wawa: verbaltoxin: Can a major network actually go out of business, or is NBC too big to fail? They've been sucking it hard for a long time, and as much as I love Parks and Rec, I'm amazed NBC continues on.

Let's compare sitcoms:
Fox has Raising Hope and New Girl

ABC has Modern Family (not as good as the critics say, IMHO), The Middle, Happy Endings, Last Man Standing, Suburgatory, Don't trust the biatch in Apt 23

CBS has Two and a Half Men, How I met your mother, Big Bang Theory, Rules of Engagement, Mike and Molly, and 2 Broke Girls. All unwatchable.

NBC has Office, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, Community. Then there's two new shows that haven't aired yet.

As far as I can tell, the only worthwhile sitcoms on broadcast television are aired by NBC.


I've been saying that for quite a while too. Except now Office is meh, 30 Rock is going away, and they gutted Community. Even though they never got great ratings, a few years ago the total quality of those 4 shows was better than NBC's prosperous "Must See TV" era.
 
2012-08-21 01:11:09 PM

Crewmannumber6: 12349876: /ordering 22 before any shooting is the dumb part, not Michael J. Fox

I wa sgonna say, he killed in Rescue Me


Michael J. Fox is a very good actor, but there's plenty of good actors with busted TV shows. 22 is a huge risk to take without anything on film. ABC got stuck with this problem with the Drew Carey show ordering way too far into the future and had to burn off the last couple seasons in the summer after the show rated too low to show during the regular season.
 
2012-08-21 01:12:23 PM

pmmal: verbaltoxin: Can a major network actually go out of business, or is NBC too big to fail? They've been sucking it hard for a long time, and as much as I love Parks and Rec, I'm amazed NBC continues on.

As long as they have the NFL, they will make enough money to program the other 345 days of the year. Their NFL coverage is spectacular. It got that way because they bought up the ABC Monday Night Football production team, so that's one thing they didn't screw up.


I can't remember where I read it, but years ago I read an article about how those NFL contracts aren't actually money makers in the most basic sense. If you look at how much a network has to pay the NFL compared to how much money they can make from ads when football is on TV, it is actually a money loser. Where you make money is in the fact that tons of people do watch the NFL, so you can promote the hell out of the rest of the shows on you schedule and have shows air immediately after things like division championship games or the super bowl, which means those shows get huge ratings. Those things in turn mean it is worth losing money on something like the NFL.

There is also a prestige factor since having a major sports league makes you look like a major network and not having any makes you look like a second rate network like The CW. I mean look back to when Fox first got the NFL, it was a huge deal since it helped establish them as a major network.
 
2012-08-21 01:16:51 PM

Babwa Wawa: As far as I can tell, the only worthwhile sitcoms on broadcast television are aired by NBC.


Raising Hope is awesome. It has a great cast (Garett Dillahunt is an incredibly underrated actor, and Martha Plimpton is awesome), and the show has some great writing. The season finale was a lot of fun, especially since they somehow managed to get Nancy Grace to parody herself. The last scene with one character being chased down by a knife wielding serial killer in slow motion to the tune of "You Can't Always Get What You Want" was just so well done. It's a damn good comedy.

I also finally got around to watching Don't Trust the biatch in Apt. 23 this weekend, and the show has a lot of potential. Comedies are always a little rough around the edges at the beginning (even Seinfeld sucked balls during its first five-episode season), and this one definitely could be good once it starts firing on all cylinders, especially now that they seem to be figuring out what to do with Liza Lapira's character towards the end of the short season.
 
2012-08-21 01:31:26 PM
It really kinda trips me out that there is an audience that watches Leno. Letterman too, for that matter. The format is stale as hell.

Daily Show and Colbert still manage to keep things on the cutting edge.
 
2012-08-21 01:31:40 PM

Mugato: That's a punchable motherfarking face right there.

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How could you miss?
 
2012-08-21 01:32:22 PM
People still watch the Tonight Show?

TV is dying. It has no younger audience at all. Whenever I am in the bar, NBC Nightly News looks like one long obituary.

/DC Native
//we keep the news on at the bar next to the ball game for obvious reasons
 
2012-08-21 01:47:01 PM

Babwa Wawa: It's just more evidence that the boomers have a stranglehold on the media, and the rest of us will continue to be fed their drivel as long as they're around.


Boomers have a stranglehold on traditional media, and that's okay. There will never be a successful "hipper" Tonight Show because post-boomer generations won't be watching.
 
2012-08-21 01:47:22 PM
Haven't watched Leno since the Conan mess. Still watch Conan on TBS. Started watching Letterman for the first time.

Oh, and I haven't watched NBC news since the whole debacle. After all, it was the local news affiliates that were flipping out about the Leno prime time mess.

Good work there NBC.
 
2012-08-21 01:47:47 PM
One of the greatest interviews I have ever seen on late night tv, was, no joke, Snyder interviewing bobcat goldwaith. It had to have been like, 20 years ago. Bobcat wasn't in character for it, and it was just an awesome interview.

Plus the dude chain smoked on tv well into the 90s. You have to give him style props for that.
 
2012-08-21 01:48:35 PM
Did anyone catch the Mohr Stories podcast with Jay Leno a few weeks back?

Jay is a weird dude. Even though he's got to be worth close to a billion now he still does 200+ comedy dates a year (three or four a week) in addition to hosting the Tonight Show. He doesn't take vacation days or time off. I understand the desire to hustle and work hard, but don't you think you'd want to enjoy some of the success too (aside from his hundreds and hundreds of cars).

And he's not doing the Tonight Show for the money, he says he's never touched a dime of his NBC salary. He almost sounds like he does it because he doesn't want anyone else to do it.
 
2012-08-21 01:54:33 PM

mechgreg: Where you make money is in the fact that tons of people do watch the NFL, so you can promote the hell out of the rest of the shows on you schedule and have shows air immediately after things like division championship games or the super bowl, which means those shows get huge ratings.


This is exactly why they pay through the nose for the NFL. Just about nothing else brings in 10-15 million people a week consistently during the regular season, and then 15-25 million in the playoffs and up to 40 million for the conference championship games. They make up what they can with the NFL advertisers, and then use as much of the broadcast to promote the hell out of their other programming.
 
2012-08-21 01:58:53 PM

dallylamma: Did anyone catch the Mohr Stories podcast with Jay Leno a few weeks back?

Jay is a weird dude. Even though he's got to be worth close to a billion now he still does 200+ comedy dates a year (three or four a week) in addition to hosting the Tonight Show. He doesn't take vacation days or time off. I understand the desire to hustle and work hard, but don't you think you'd want to enjoy some of the success too (aside from his hundreds and hundreds of cars).

And he's not doing the Tonight Show for the money, he says he's never touched a dime of his NBC salary. He almost sounds like he does it because he doesn't want anyone else to do it.


I remember reading the war for late night book and they talked about how Leno never touches his NBC salary, and basically lives off what he makes from doing live shows. The vacation thing was crazy too, the book talked about how at one point he asked NBC if they would hire a second Tonight Show writing staff, so that when the regular staff went on vacation, he could keep doing the show. The sad thing is I think if Leno was just a stand up he could probably be pretty funny. What I have heard of his stand up is way funnier than anything on the Tonight Show. But he values being the #1 show more than being the funniest show, so he makes the hackey jokes and does the dumb bits like Jaywalking that he knows the audience likes.
 
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