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2012-08-20 11:10:21 PM
6 votes:
Mr. Romeney's important information is during the time he worked in Utah after 1999. Either he filed as a resident of Utah or he didn't. Either he filed as an active Chairman of Bain or he wasn't. We've heard rumors that he retroactively changed his state of residence from Utah to MA so he could meet the residency requirements to run for governor. That's what we want to see. Nobody cares whether he paid 13.9% or 15.2% in 2011. Either he lied on a federal document under penalty of perjury, or he didn't.
2012-08-20 11:18:00 PM
4 votes:
I love that he's allowing this issue to sink his entire campaign. Unless there is something blatantly felonious in those returns, he could have released them in June, and we'd have been all done talking about them by now.

Instead, he is dragging it out and encouraging people to draw their own conclusions as to what is fueling his hypocrisy and secrecy.

Seriously. It's got to be a truly special hell for Romney to sit there and realize that not releasing his returns will cost him the election while believing that releasing them will also cost him the election. At some point, he's going to have an epic "Fark-it" moment, and I want to be there to see it.
2012-08-21 06:12:47 AM
3 votes:
Someone really needs to flat out ask him, on camera, if he took advantage of the 2009 amnesty on declaring illegal offshore bank accounts, yes or no.
2012-08-21 12:35:47 AM
3 votes:

GAT_00: AmYou can't demand the guy release 12 years of returns and then ignore the ones he's actually released, it makes you disingenuous and makes you look like a farking moron. What's more, it completely undercuts your entire argument.


He hasn't released anything more than a partial 2010. He hasn't released a full year's tax returns. By any metric that's incredibly inadequate for a presidential candidate.
2012-08-21 12:22:37 AM
3 votes:

GAT_00: DamnYankees: Who gives a shiat about 2011. We need to see his taxes from when he wasn't actively running for President...or 2009.

Yeah, that's how you win that argument. "We demand his taxes for all years. Except this years, those don't count." 

Way to lose an argument that I didn't think was possible to lose.


It's a valid argument. he's only releasing 2011 becuase he's actively not screwing aroudn with them. IT's all the years he isn't releasing that contain bombshells. Republicans claim to get all hyperventalating about not paying taxes and yet seem to have NO Problem with Romney actively HIDING his tax returns, even though releasing them has been standard for presidential candidates since his FATHER ran.

It's very suspicious in a campaign that can't afford suspicion.
2012-08-20 11:20:24 PM
3 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: Wasn't 2009 the Amnesty year?


By what must be merely an amazing coincidence, yes.
2012-08-21 08:50:27 AM
2 votes:

sprawl15: If none of those are true, releasing a few years could be the biggest first punch he's landed so far.


ftfy
2012-08-21 08:43:27 AM
2 votes:

Ambivalence: He hasn't released anything more than a partial 2010.


He released full 2010 returns and a partial 2011 (pending the finalization).

The 2010 returns didn't include some external documents, but none of those are taxation documents.

RyogaM: Can anyone prove that Romney didn't pay taxes?


Romney can. Not that he's obligated to or anything, but the huge opening the whole tax return debate has offered Romney hasn't been taken yet. He can kick the Democrats in the nuts, hard, by simply releasing a few returns to prove Reid wrong. There is zero incentive to keep them hidden unless either a) he didn't pay taxes and Reid is right, b) he did pay taxes but they're so low that people will flip shiat anyway or c) he has done things that are a political death sentence. If none of those are true, releasing a few years could be the biggest punch he's landed so far.
2012-08-21 08:17:08 AM
2 votes:
I usually wait for the magic words, but I got shiat to do today...

Can anyone prove that Romney didn't pay taxes?

To "prove" something, you must gather evidence. Evidence- facts that make any proposition more likely to be true. The proposition: Romney committed some wrong-doing in his taxes.

Fact: Refuses to release returns when: 1) it was traditionally done for people running in his position, a tradition started by his father. 2) He has called for his opponents to release tax returns in the past 3) the majority of people would like him to release his taxes, including Republicans 4) his opponent in the current race has released 12 years of his, 5) Non-release hurts his chances of winning.

Fact: Romney released 22 years of tax returns to the McCain campaign, then that campaign chose someone else.

Fact: Romney demanded a certain numbers of taxes from his VP candidate to evaluate that candidate's fitness for the office of vice-president, clearly acknowledging that the IRS's "stamp of approval" was not enough for him to accept that that candidate was clean.

Fact: A major political opponent claims that Romney paid no taxes for the past decade, according to an insider. Releasing the tax returns would destroy the credibility of this political opponent.

Fact: Romney claims rich people pay too much in taxes and deserve tax cuts. Releasing his tax forms would bolster his claims that rich people pay too much, if he pays a large amount in taxes.

Fact: Romney's wife said that if they released their taxes, they will be attacked. This is evidence that she is aware there are things in the taxes that are able to be attacked.

Fact: The Obama campaign is using the issue to draw attention from Obama's record which Romney says he wants to highlight. After releasing his returns, even after a week or three of the Obama team picking over every silly tax deduction or questionable expense, it becomes a NON-ISSUE and the Romney camp can go after Obama's record for the remaining two months without the distraction anymore. The fact that they do not take the one step that will make the issue go away, releasing the returns, means that it is highly likely there is something so bad in the tax returns that the the issue will not go away if the return is released, but will instead sink the campaign.

Fact: On October 5th or thereabout, Romney's tax return for this year, the one he has already promised to be released, will be due for filing, because he asked for an extension. So, three week before the election, the whole issue is going to be front-and-center because Romney made it so. Releasing the tax returns sooner guarantees that the issue is stale by October.

Those facts, working together are compelling if not conclusive proof that Romney is hiding something really, really, bad in his tax returns, something that would completely sink his campaign.
2012-08-21 04:36:19 AM
2 votes:
He said Americans will have "ample information" about Romney's taxes with the disclosure of the 2010 return and the planned release of the 2011 return.

Look at Mitt's campaign being stupid here.

Point and laugh if you like.

By this point with what's already out there, if Mittens does not release his 2009 returns before the election he may as well not have released any.

Releasing a 2011 return ginned up to look as legit as possible only makes him look worse.

Fact is, Mitt's returns most likely make Obama's argument for tax increases on the wealthiest.

/Just like Mitt touting Romneycare makes Obama's ACA argument.
2012-08-21 03:06:34 AM
2 votes:
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Fark him.
2012-08-21 12:10:00 AM
2 votes:
"They're being finalized. There's a lot of forms that have to come in from other entities that the governor doesn't have control over scrubbed of anything incriminating and by the time anyone finds out they've been altered he'll be president and it'll be too late to do anything about it,"

Fixed.
2012-08-20 11:32:58 PM
2 votes:
Who gives a shiat about 2011. We need to see his taxes from when he wasn't actively running for President...or 2009.
2012-08-21 05:51:20 PM
1 votes:

MeinRS6: Three-Fifty: At this point he can only be hiding something illegal. Some sort of criminal activity.

Evidence? Nevermind. I know you don't have any.


Can anyone, besides Romeny, prove that Romney didn't pay taxes?

To "prove" something, you must gather evidence. Evidence - facts that make any proposition more likely to be true. The proposition: Romney committed some wrong-doing in his taxes.

Fact: Refuses to release returns when: 1) it was traditionally done for people running in his position, a tradition started by his father. 2) He has called for his opponents to release tax returns in the past 3) the majority of people would like him to release his taxes, including Republicans 4) his opponent in the current race has released 12 years of his, 5) Non-release hurts his chances of winning.

Fact: Romney released 22 years of tax returns to the McCain campaign, then that campaign chose someone else.

Fact: Romney demanded a certain numbers of taxes from his VP candidate to evaluate that candidate's fitness for the office of vice-president, clearly acknowledging that the IRS's "stamp of approval" was not enough for him to accept that that candidate was clean.

Fact: A major political opponent claims that Romney paid no taxes for the past decade, according to an insider. Releasing the tax returns would destroy the credibility of this political opponent.

Fact: Romney claims rich people pay too much in taxes and deserve tax cuts. Releasing his tax forms would bolster his claims that rich people pay too much, if he pays a large amount in taxes.

Fact: Romney's wife said that if they released their taxes, they will be attacked. This is evidence that she is aware there are things in the taxes that are able to be attacked.

Fact: The Obama campaign is using the issue to draw attention from Obama's record which Romney says he wants to highlight. After releasing his returns, even after a week or three of the Obama team picking over every silly tax deduction or questionable expense, it becomes a NON-ISSUE and the Romney camp can go after Obama's record for the remaining two months without the distraction anymore. The fact that they do not take the one step that will make the issue go away, releasing the returns, means that it is highly likely there is something so bad in the tax returns that the the issue will not go away if the return is released, but will instead sink the campaign.

Fact: On October 5th or thereabout, Romney's tax return for this year, the one he has already promised to be released, will be due for filing, because he asked for an extension. So, three week before the election, the whole issue is going to be front-and-center because Romney made it so. Releasing the tax returns sooner guarantees that the issue is stale by October.

Those facts, working together as evidence, are compelling if not conclusive proof that Romney is hiding something really, really, bad in his tax returns, something that would completely sink his campaign.
2012-08-21 09:54:08 AM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Obama's plan for fixing the economy seems to center on Romney releasing all his tax returns.

Worth a try. Nothing else has worked.


Obama's plan to fix the economy is to prevent Romney from being elected and reinstituting all of Bush's economic policies that got us in this mess to begin with.

So yes, to do that he has to constantly remind the ADHD electorate that Romney is hiding bad things in his taxes.
2012-08-21 09:24:00 AM
1 votes:

MeinRS6: shower_in_my_socks: Romney won't release his tax returns. Palin never released her medical records. Both reflect an unprecedented level of secrecy in presidential campaigns that Dem candidates have had zero problems releasing. But in the GOP team-first mentality, it's OK to have no f*cking idea who the person you're voting for actually is, so long as he calls himself a Republican.

Spare us your faux outrage. The ONLY reason you want Romney's returns is to use them to attack him - no matter what they say.

If it was proven that Obama purposely cheated on his taxes for years, you would still vote for him in Nov. You don't care about the taxes. You care about attacking Romney, so at least be honest about that.

And somehow the country survived not having Palin's medical records. Let me put on my shocked face.


I think Liberals (like myself) are concerned about Romney getting Independent votes as a successful business man with the answers to American's economic problems when in reality he has been basically gaming the system all these years and is more part of the problem than the solution.
2012-08-21 09:21:27 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Go be intentionally retarded elsewhere.


o_o Why are you defending Romney?
2012-08-21 08:52:19 AM
1 votes:
Obama's campaign offered to settle at 5 years worth, and Romney immediately rejected it because "fark you, no compromises!"

In other words, the standard conservative response to any deals with Democrats.
2012-08-21 06:18:40 AM
1 votes:
In 2009, an insider at HSBC blew the whistle about people not paying taxes by hiding money in Switzerland. The US government gave the tax cheats the chance to pay up that year plus pay a big fine or risk prosecution. I would bet that R-Money was one of those who paid up that year for not paying taxes. Most likely that is why he will not release any tax information prior to 2010.
2012-08-21 06:14:16 AM
1 votes:

gaspode: Someone really needs to flat out ask him, on camera, if he took advantage of the 2009 amnesty on declaring illegal offshore bank accounts, yes or no.


It would be fun if Obama asked him that during a Presidential debate.
2012-08-21 06:13:14 AM
1 votes:
Mitt Romney is a tax cheat.
2012-08-21 04:17:32 AM
1 votes:
although the democrats aren't much better. release the returns, mittens! mach schnell! didi mow! donde estas las chicas bonitas y cervezas?
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2012-08-21 03:55:53 AM
1 votes:

MeinRS6: farkityfarker: MeinRS6: ShawnDoc: Way to go Mitt, just a few weeks before the election is a great time to remind undecided voters about you being the first candidate in damn near forever to not release several years of tax returns. No way that's going to bite you in the ass.

It won't matter. Voters already know Romney is rich. People will be voting for him to get rid of Obama.

And most importantly, people voting for Romney don't care what pisses libs off. In fact, it's good comedy.

Instead of making such a silly worthless post, would you like to actually speculate why Romney refuses to release his returns, and/or defend the action in some way?

I don't think it was silly. I think it is true that people voting for Romney don't care what piss libs off. They also want Romney to win by running the best campaign he can. And I would guess that Romney isn't releasing more returns because his political enemies are using them to attack him. 

If the whole thing gets under Obama's and all libs' skin, then so much the better. They can twist and turn in the wind over returns from 5 yrs ago and not gain a single vote in the process.


You're right, this topic will never make someone like you, for example, who doesn't care who he votes for as long as it's not Obama, make for Obama. This wont drive away the base.

But it will drive away people who might have voted for Romney. When Mitt refuses to release his returns, all he does is remind people (again, not people like you, as you've quite thoroughly demonstrated) how low an opinion he has of the citizenry he wishes to govern.

And the thing is, I think he truly doesn't get it. We know that Mitt Romney is a man who changes the rules of games so he can win. But he can't change the rules of this game- if he wants to win, he has to get the American People to vote for him.

It's not about if he cheated on his taxes- I don't think he did, and if he had, it wouldn't much change my opinion of the man. I don't even think it's necessarily about the rate he paid- he may well have paid over 13% every year for the past 10 years.

I think it's purely about the amount of money he was making, and what that 13% actually equalled, compared to the 87% he kept. It would make it really hard for the Republican Party to keep pushing the line that the wealthy can't create jobs because the taxes are too high line. If we see Mitt Romney earning hundreds of millions of dollars (after taxes), he can't really turn around and say he didn't have enough money to invest in America because he paid too much in taxes.

And before you say it, no, I wasn't going to be voting for Romney anyway, even if he did release all of his tax returns, because I have a brain in my head, and I've been paying attention, and know that a Romney presidency would be disasterous for this country- not only for what he would do as Cheif Executive, but also because of what he represents.

There's a massive problem with our Government today that stems from people entering Public Service not out of a sense of civic duty, but out of desire for personal advancement. Mitt Romney is the posterboy for this epidemic, and if he wins, we all lose.
2012-08-21 03:41:51 AM
1 votes:
FTFA: Gillespie faulted the Obama team's focus on Romney's personal taxes. "It wasn't an issue in 2008 because President Obama wasn't trying to distract from a four-year-long record of failed policies," he added.

I thought Mitt Romney's tax returns weren't an issue in 2008 because John McCain was the Republican Presidential Nominee.

Oh wait, they actually were an issue in 2008 - Mitt gave McCain a copy of his returns when trying to become his VP pick....
2012-08-21 03:38:37 AM
1 votes:
Romney gets grief for not showing multiple tax returns like every candidate has for decades.

Obama gets grief for not showing his birth certificate which no candidate has ever been asked to do (and eventually he does)

See how unfair libs are to poor Willard?
2012-08-21 03:15:15 AM
1 votes:
What are the chances that Romney is an Andy Kaufman like troll?

Or even Kaufman himself, in the greatest stunt ever.
2012-08-21 03:14:58 AM
1 votes:

GleeUnit: That's more or less the card Obama played with the birth certificate.



I don't think this is a Romney rope-a-dope. I think this is Romney hiding as much as he can for as long as he can. October is too late for it to have any real impact, especially after taking a beating over it for another two months.

And Obama released his birth certificate in June of 2008, but the stupid teabaggers INSISTED on hanging themselves with it for four more years.
2012-08-21 03:07:16 AM
1 votes:

timujin: They put Romney up because


Stop right there.

"They" didn't put Romney up.

"He" basically never stopped campaigning since the last election. He was the first on the ground with the most money to throw around and the backers came in when they realized that he had no intention of letting up.

"They" would have preferred any number of other candidates. This cycle the nutcases came out of the woodwork and were allowed to because Mitt took a big dump in their Wheaties by doing what he did and not giving them any real chance to pick anyone BUT him. 2010 was supposed to be when the real crazies came out. The phrase was "If not now, then when?" And that's why folks like Rand Paul made it in and O'Donnell came closer than she reasonably ever should.

And thusly the bit about "Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line" failed. After the wreck of backing Bush for eight years and a splinter group they can't get anyone in line anymore.
2012-08-21 03:07:11 AM
1 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: Wasn't 2009 the Amnesty year?


Romney's already stated releasing his 2009 returns would sink his campaign. My guess it's a three-fer..

1. Received amnesty from Obama.
2. Didn't pay any American taxes.
3. Paid significantly less than 10% of income to his cult.
2012-08-21 01:44:35 AM
1 votes:
So... his October surprise is that he's finally releasing the second tax return he's been saying he's already released? I mean, he keep saying he's "released two," but what he did was release 2010 plus estimates for 2011. Now he's saying that three weeks before the election he's going to get around to it? Whoopty farking doo.

I think I finally figured out what the Republicans are doing this election. They put Romney up because it's his turn but they knew he'd never have a chance, so they don't really have to throw their support behind the first non-Christian Republican in history. Ryan was put up because Boehner is tired of the push back he's been getting from the Teabagging contingent, so they're throwing him in the mix so they can say, "See? Those super extreme ideas don't work. Now we need to get back to good old Bush-era economics."
2012-08-21 01:37:52 AM
1 votes:
Way to go Mitt, just a few weeks before the election is a great time to remind undecided voters about you being the first candidate in damn near forever to not release several years of tax returns. No way that's going to bite you in the ass.
2012-08-21 01:34:29 AM
1 votes:

omnibus_necanda_sunt: What would it take for an Anon raid to steal the critical years and dump them on Wikileaks? I wonder how hard that would be.

Old-ass man is old-ass, likely has them in paper copy if at all.


First I think it would require Anon to be more powerful in fact than it is in reputation
2012-08-21 12:28:20 AM
1 votes:

Ambivalence: GAT_00: DamnYankees: Who gives a shiat about 2011. We need to see his taxes from when he wasn't actively running for President...or 2009.

Yeah, that's how you win that argument. "We demand his taxes for all years. Except this years, those don't count." 

Way to lose an argument that I didn't think was possible to lose.

It's a valid argument. he's only releasing 2011 becuase he's actively not screwing aroudn with them. IT's all the years he isn't releasing that contain bombshells. Republicans claim to get all hyperventalating about not paying taxes and yet seem to have NO Problem with Romney actively HIDING his tax returns, even though releasing them has been standard for presidential candidates since his FATHER ran.

It's very suspicious in a campaign that can't afford suspicion.


You can't demand the guy release 12 years of returns and then ignore the ones he's actually released, it makes you disingenuous and makes you look like a farking moron. What's more, it completely undercuts your entire argument.
2012-08-20 11:38:49 PM
1 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Seriously. It's got to be a truly special hell for Romney to sit there and realize that not releasing his returns will cost him the election while believing that releasing them will also cost him the election. At some point, he's going to have an epic "Fark-it" moment, and I want to be there to see it.


It has to be a truely special hell to realize that he should have had more basic tax returns than whatever creative accounting fustercluck he's trying to run from now. He's been running for president for at least 6 years! This was going to come up!
 
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