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2012-08-20 10:09:37 PM  
So society is better off if people keep on raping?
 
2012-08-20 10:19:14 PM  
Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 
2012-08-20 10:23:43 PM  
Ethel Waters and James Robinson are the products of forcible rape, and they are excellent people.

First off, if their mothers got pregnant, then Todd Akin says they couldn't have been forcible raped. And I see nowhere in Huckabee's statement that denies this scientific fact.

Secondly, I'm doubtful as to the value of a televangalist who pioneered the mating of Christianity and politics. I'm certain that homosexuals who have been denied civil rights due in part to his actions, and Muslims who have had their religious freedom curtailed because membership in the republican party has grown to require denouncement and hatred of anything non-christian would certainly not think he is a great man.

Thirdly, what does a republican have to actually say to get his party to completely and utterly denouce him? A sane and moral man would have simply called Akin a farking moron, left it at that, and not bothered trying to find the silver lining in his statement. And no, this isn't a both sides are bad issue - it is a republican one. Watch this:

Anthony Weiner was an idiot to sext pictures of his junk - to anybody. For that matter, anyone who sexts is an idiot.
Ted Kennedy could have prevented the death of Mary Jo Kopechne.
Bill Clinton is a serial womanizer.

See, said all that with a straight face and without needing to add qualifiers. Now when is a republican going to stand up and say "Todd Akin is an idiot. I don't care about his stance on abortion - it doesn't matter because he proved his dumbassness before he even got that far. Calling the man a functional moron is a such an insult to morons that I have requested Secret Service protection."
 
2012-08-20 10:35:47 PM  

Irving Maimway: How can there be variations on rape??


Well, there's

"rape"



And then there's

api.ning.com



But I can't say I know the difference.
 
2012-08-20 10:40:00 PM  
So Jebus and Detective Benson aren't?
 
2012-08-20 10:51:09 PM  

Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.


I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.
 
2012-08-20 11:07:33 PM  
Why is this so hard for these dumb-fark Republicans to understand? There's only one syllable in the word rape, and usually, it takes at least two to trip up these mouth-breathing retards. The concept of "forcible" rape exists only to demonstrate to the planet that you are a very stupid person who deserves to be mocked without mercy.

Let's make it easy for the Republican retards out there:

Did someone have sex with you against your will or consent?

If the answer is no, you've not been raped.

If the answer is yes, then congratulations! You've been raped.


Now, let's move on to the whole notion that someone can have an illegitimate baby from a "legitimate" rape.
 
2012-08-20 11:11:13 PM  

WorldCitizen: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.


That's giving them way too much credit. I thinkt hey're TRYING to make the distinction from date rape or "woman passed out and didn't give consent" rape which isn't REALLY rape just boys being boys.
 
2012-08-20 11:12:50 PM  
Also I"m pretty sure that for every "extrordinary" person who was the product of rape, there have been some pretty farked up people. Being forced to raise a child that resulted in an extreme trauma can sow a lot of resentment and anger in a mother/child relationship.
 
2012-08-20 11:13:20 PM  
you'd figure that by now the GOP would have sent out some sort of mass email to everyone everywhere that said something along the lines of 'SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING!'
 
2012-08-20 11:25:57 PM  

Weaver95: you'd figure that by now the GOP would have sent out some sort of mass email to everyone everywhere that said something along the lines of 'SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING!'


Maybe their servers got hacked.
 
2012-08-20 11:30:14 PM  

Ambivalence: WorldCitizen: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.

That's giving them way too much credit. I thinkt hey're TRYING to make the distinction from date rape or "woman passed out and didn't give consent" rape which isn't REALLY rape just boys being boys.


I was listening to something on NPR (liberal pinko scum source, I know). It was something about Planned Parenthood and other pinko commie baby killers wanting to use statutory rape as a way to hand out many and plentiful abortions to young people who got pregnant under the technicality of statutory rape by using the "abortion should be legal in cases of (statutory) rape" argument. So the right tries to make the distinction so if they get all abortions outlawed except for rape that it won't include statutory rape but only "forceful" rape.
 
2012-08-20 11:40:18 PM  

gilgigamesh: But I can't say I know the difference.


So, admitting your degree of understanding might get you disbarred?

SilentStrider: Maybe their servers got hacked.


Maybe Huckabee isn't technologically literate enough to read email.
 
2012-08-20 11:46:59 PM  
These clowns need to STFU...they're clearly insane.
 
2012-08-20 11:55:40 PM  

Weaver95: you'd figure that by now the GOP would have sent out some sort of mass email to everyone everywhere that said something along the lines of 'SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING!'


It's part of the general anti-intellectualism and proud ignorance of the GOP. They don't want to be reasonable. They want to double down on that shiat.
 
2012-08-21 12:17:09 AM  
Well, I'm pretty sure Jesus qualifies as a child of rape under any definition of the word. I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.
 
2012-08-21 12:25:31 AM  

GAT_00: Well, I'm pretty sure Jesus qualifies as a child of rape under any definition of the word. I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.


Yep. And seeing as how giving birth to a child fathered by a Roman in a Jewish community could get you stoned to death, it's probably in your best interests to say god did it and hope no one follows up on that accusation.

We've really not come all that far, have we?
 
2012-08-21 12:27:33 AM  
RAAAAPE!

media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-21 12:28:11 AM  

GAT_00: I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.


...er, God allegedly did get consent.
(Granted, it's not clear there was much choice on the consent.)
 
2012-08-21 12:28:21 AM  

abb3w: So, admitting your degree of understanding might get you disbarred?


Please. You think a lawyer who routinely offers his clients contingency contracts doesn't know the meaning of rape?
 
2012-08-21 12:30:57 AM  

Weaver95: you'd figure that by now the GOP would have sent out some sort of mass email to everyone everywhere that said something along the lines of 'SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING!'


Its all part of the new GOP pro-rape platform.
 
2012-08-21 12:32:10 AM  
I wonder what their stance on this would be if rape always produced gay babies?
 
2012-08-21 12:35:02 AM  

gilgigamesh: Please. You think a lawyer who routinely offers his clients contingency contracts doesn't know the meaning of rape?


Ah. Just so long as it's done within the professional canons, I guess it's only "rape" and not "rape rape rape rape rape rape rape rape rape". Or is that the other way around?

...or are you one of the lawyers for Blackwater Xe Academi?
 
2012-08-21 12:45:58 AM  
I think we're through the Poe's Law looking glass, people.
 
2012-08-21 01:03:51 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So society is better off if people keep on raping?


can we start with raping mike huckleberry? please? with bats?? or other small rodents??
 
2012-08-21 01:12:23 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So society is better off if people keep on raping?


You know who was big on rape? Ghengis Khan. He raped a LOT of women. Now something like 10% of China is a direct descendant of the man. Why can't we have more great leaders like that?
 
2012-08-21 01:14:08 AM  
Legitimate rape: It's a pretty effective birth control. No need for condoms. On the rare chance it works, it produces wonderful people.
 
2012-08-21 01:17:50 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Weaver95: you'd figure that by now the GOP would have sent out some sort of mass email to everyone everywhere that said something along the lines of 'SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING!'

It's part of the general anti-intellectualism and proud ignorance of the GOP. They don't want to be reasonable. They want to double down on that shiat.


they really cannot possibly be this f*cking stupid. nobody can be this f*cking stupid.
 
2012-08-21 01:20:02 AM  
Huckabee has quite an impressive track record. He pardoned a rapist- who went on to be a mass murderer, and was named the Worst Governor in America by that bastion of liberalism, the CATO institute. 

But I think it's a pretty low blow when Winky McRealAmerica says you've got poor judgement.
 
2012-08-21 01:21:06 AM  

WorldCitizen: I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.


statutory rape - not rape at all - just a dad's property being soiled
rape rape - clear cut assault - other than the rapist saying it wasnt him or she was asking for it, or she is lying now ...
date rape - dont get me started on the NIGHTMARE which is she said yes yes yes no yes yes yes yes yes yes yes and then I got arrested.

sucks, but in the end, date rape should always be reported and invested exactly the same as rape rape. the nightmare for the poor victim is that 99% of the time it is she said, he said and there is no way to prove otherwise. sigh (I know so many women who were date raped and there is nothing which they can do ... nothing ...)

we really need a 95% accurate lie detector. of course we would have to have them surgically attached to all public officials ....

jesus wept
if there is ANY good that has come out of this insanity, it is that rape is in the news FRONT AND CENTER getting the attention which it needs.
 
2012-08-21 01:22:13 AM  

Ambivalence: That's giving them way too much credit. I thinkt hey're TRYING to make the distinction from date rape or "woman passed out and didn't give consent" rape which isn't REALLY rape just boys being boys.


AKA, how most of their sex with their wives happen
 
2012-08-21 01:24:05 AM  

namatad:
if there is ANY good that has come out of this insanity, it is that rape is in the news FRONT AND CENTER getting the attention which it needs.


well, that and the fact that we're actually watching members of the Republican party stand up and defend rape. Now if we can just get them to defend waterboarding at the same time, we can close the circle.
 
2012-08-21 01:24:55 AM  
Hey Huckabee, for one in your life shut your damn mouth
 
2012-08-21 01:25:23 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: RAAAAPE!

[media.tumblr.com image 100x100]


I feel bad for laughing at that.
 
2012-08-21 01:26:58 AM  

GAT_00: Well, I'm pretty sure Jesus qualifies as a child of rape under any definition of the word. I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.


I was going to go here, but she knew who the father was. She just made up a story so that Joseph wouldnt stone her.
 
2012-08-21 01:28:47 AM  

cman: Hey Huckabee, for one in your life shut your damn mouth


I am absolutely floored that there wasn't some high level email sent out to ranking Republicans and their favorite shills that said something along the lines of 'STFU about the rape issue, change the subject to something else'. given that the GOP is fanatically well organized and very big on the whole hierarchy thing, that sort of message should have been fairly easy to coordinate.

ya know what? Limbaugh is out on vacation this week, isn't he? hmm....
 
2012-08-21 01:29:00 AM  

Weaver95: Benevolent Misanthrope: Weaver95: you'd figure that by now the GOP would have sent out some sort of mass email to everyone everywhere that said something along the lines of 'SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING!'

It's part of the general anti-intellectualism and proud ignorance of the GOP. They don't want to be reasonable. They want to double down on that shiat.

they really cannot possibly be this f*cking stupid. nobody can be this f*cking stupid.


have you EVER watched reality TV? clearly MOST people are this stupid
 
2012-08-21 01:30:05 AM  

namatad: Weaver95: Benevolent Misanthrope: Weaver95: you'd figure that by now the GOP would have sent out some sort of mass email to everyone everywhere that said something along the lines of 'SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING!'

It's part of the general anti-intellectualism and proud ignorance of the GOP. They don't want to be reasonable. They want to double down on that shiat.

they really cannot possibly be this f*cking stupid. nobody can be this f*cking stupid.

have you EVER watched reality TV? clearly MOST people are this stupid


well yeah, but I assume a certainly level of basic intelligence from people who go play politics at anything above the local level.
 
2012-08-21 01:31:44 AM  

Weaver95: namatad:
if there is ANY good that has come out of this insanity, it is that rape is in the news FRONT AND CENTER getting the attention which it needs.

well, that and the fact that we're actually watching members of the Republican party stand up and defend rape. Now if we can just get them to defend waterboarding at the same time, we can close the circle.


DO NOT GET me started on waterboarding.
I have a whole list of people who I would waterboard.
drew peterson
cheney
bush
bush
rummy
the wives of most of these politicians
people who say the like the GOP for any other reason than "the GOP will cut my taxes"

hmmmmm made I should start making an actual list and not keep it in my head
sigh
 
2012-08-21 01:38:55 AM  

namatad: GAT_00: Well, I'm pretty sure Jesus qualifies as a child of rape under any definition of the word. I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.

I was going to go here, but she knew who the father was. She just made up a story so that Joseph wouldnt stone her.


I always figured Joseph knocked her up and she told everyone God did it so her parents didn't stone her.
 
2012-08-21 01:39:47 AM  

namatad: Ambivalence: That's giving them way too much credit. I thinkt hey're TRYING to make the distinction from date rape or "woman passed out and didn't give consent" rape which isn't REALLY rape just boys being boys.

AKA, how most of their sex with their wives happen


Based on the idiocy being spread so far, I would not be at all surprised if one of these jackasses said something along the lines of thinking that it is impossible to rape one's wife, because since he's the husband and she's the wife, it is his right to have sex with her any time he damn well pleases.

No, such a statement coming from these idiots would not be a shock at all. :-/
 
2012-08-21 02:01:34 AM  

Ambivalence: WorldCitizen: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.

That's giving them way too much credit. I thinkt hey're TRYING to make the distinction from date rape or "woman passed out and didn't give consent" rape which isn't REALLY rape just boys being boys.


I think it is worse than all of this. What I believe is they are asserting that if a woman enjoys it, it isn't forcible rape. If she enjoys it (even tolerates it), the body reacts differently and assists the pregnancy process, so to say.

If she is 'forcibly' raped, then the lady parts don't 'assist the process' and they are less likely to get pregnant.

Something like this: About.Com, Can Female Orgasm Help You Get Pregnant

/just the messenger
 
2012-08-21 02:04:38 AM  

Karac: Thirdly, what does a republican have to actually say to get his party to completely and utterly denouce him?


What's worse is Republican voters are still sticking with the guy:
Missouri voters strongly disagree with the comments Todd Akin made about abortion over the weekend, but it hasn't moved the numbers a whole lot in the Senate race. Akin leads Claire McCaskill by a single point, 44-43. That's basically identical to our last poll of the contest in late May, which found Akin ahead by a 45-44 spread.

It's not that Missouri voters are ok with or supportive of Akin's comments. 75% of voters, including even 64% of Republicans, say they were inappropriate to only 9% who consider them to have been appropriate. 79% of voters say they disagree with what Akin said, including 65% who express 'strong' disagreement with him. 51% of GOP voters say they strongly disagree with him.

All of that is taking a toll on Akin's image. Only 24% of voters have a favorable opinion of him to 58% with a negative one. He's pretty universally disliked by Democrats (3/85) and independents (21/61) and even with Republicans (43/34) he's on only narrowly positive ground.

But for all of that the overall numbers in the race have moved very little.
Republican voters have been conditioned to be extraordinarily loyal to whatever lowlife is running under the party label. So, you can safely ignore any list of reasons a Republican gives you for why he's voting for Herp McDerp. There's only real reason: Herp McDerp is a Republican.
 
2012-08-21 02:09:51 AM  
images.wikia.com
 
2012-08-21 02:14:37 AM  
Keep it upharkabee, you're a damn fine mouthpiece for the base of the GOP.
 
2012-08-21 02:42:08 AM  
The most shocking thing about all of this is suddenly realizing that, all along, Karl Rove was actually a sobering, calming influence on GOP electoral discourse.
 
2012-08-21 03:08:55 AM  

Weaver95: cman: Hey Huckabee, for one in your life shut your damn mouth

I am absolutely floored that there wasn't some high level email sent out to ranking Republicans and their favorite shills that said something along the lines of 'STFU about the rape issue, change the subject to something else'. given that the GOP is fanatically well organized and very big on the whole hierarchy thing, that sort of message should have been fairly easy to coordinate.


I think the Tea Party has gone a long way toward wrecking the GOP's message cohesion.


ya know what? Limbaugh is out on vacation this week, isn't he? hmm....

So is The Daily Show/Colbert, aren't they?
 
2012-08-21 03:19:45 AM  
Republicans are such farking morons. There are things they should just never, ever discuss, and rape is one of them. They do not possess the intelligence nor the nuance needed to handle such a delicate topic of discussion. Stick to bashing gays and pissing yourselves in fear of Muslims.
 
2012-08-21 03:19:51 AM  
Mike Huckabee: Gay marriage bad, eat chicken. Rape good, too.
 
2012-08-21 03:25:17 AM  
"In fact, it is consensual sex that produced such monsters as Hitler, Stalin, and Jimmy Carter. Unless of course they were one of those few cases of legitimate rape where the woman's body didn't function correctly. However, the odds are slim. So let me ask you, would you rather take your chances with consensual sex, which has such a sordid track record, or forcible rape that produced these two fine Americans?"

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[Gazvoda]
Gazvoda 6 hours ago
We could make such beautiful forcible-rape-babies together, you and I. Call me.

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[MissNormaDesmond]
MissNormaDesmond 5 hours ago
You know, one bright spot in all this is that we're learning that almost everyone in America can make a funnier rape joke than Daniel Tosh.

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[offcolfax]
offcolfax 4 hours ago

"You know, one bright spot in all this is that we're learning that almost everyone in America can make a funnier joke than Daniel Tosh."

FTFY



Heh heh heh.
 
2012-08-21 03:25:38 AM  

eraser8: Karac: Thirdly, what does a republican have to actually say to get his party to completely and utterly denouce him?

What's worse is Republican voters are still sticking with the guy: Missouri voters strongly disagree with the comments Todd Akin made about abortion over the weekend, but it hasn't moved the numbers a whole lot in the Senate race. Akin leads Claire McCaskill by a single point, 44-43. That's basically identical to our last poll of the contest in late May, which found Akin ahead by a 45-44 spread.

It's not that Missouri voters are ok with or supportive of Akin's comments. 75% of voters, including even 64% of Republicans, say they were inappropriate to only 9% who consider them to have been appropriate. 79% of voters say they disagree with what Akin said, including 65% who express 'strong' disagreement with him. 51% of GOP voters say they strongly disagree with him.

All of that is taking a toll on Akin's image. Only 24% of voters have a favorable opinion of him to 58% with a negative one. He's pretty universally disliked by Democrats (3/85) and independents (21/61) and even with Republicans (43/34) he's on only narrowly positive ground.

But for all of that the overall numbers in the race have moved very little.Republican voters have been conditioned to be extraordinarily loyal to whatever lowlife is running under the party label. So, you can safely ignore any list of reasons a Republican gives you for why he's voting for Herp McDerp. There's only real reason: Herp McDerp is a Republican.


McCaskill now has a TON of GOTV/ad/etc. money, I'm sure.

/she got some of mine
 
2012-08-21 03:26:22 AM  
Dear Mr. Huckabee,

Suck my farking arse. No, seriously. Get down on your farking knees and suck my farking arse. I recently ate some questionable shrimp with habanero sauce and my schitt is fiery rancid. You should eat it up, because it might just boost the intelligence that your schitt-filled brain supposedly has. And when you are done sucking my arse you can go blow your god-damned brains out. Obviously your brains are nothing but schitt so you have nothing to lose.

Disrespectfully Yours,
An farking bastard.
 
2012-08-21 03:26:24 AM  

fusillade762: So is The Daily Show/Colbert, aren't they?


Yep. Convention next week, at least for TDS.
 
2012-08-21 03:27:27 AM  
I thought they could hold it together but with about three months until the election and before the Convention the GOP has gone batshiat crazy to the point where it's knifing itself in the gut.

I wonder if Reince is putting together a memo now with "Come on guys....knock it off" in it.
 
2012-08-21 03:27:57 AM  
I think the GOP has a misprint in their copy of the Declaration of Independence. Someone should tell them it's not "Life, liberty and the pursuit of a penis".
 
2012-08-21 03:29:09 AM  
www.filehurricane.com

Todd Akin won't mind and might even watch!
 
2012-08-21 03:30:02 AM  

eraser8: Karac:
But for all of that the overall numbers in the race have moved very little.Republican voters have been conditioned to be extraordinarily loyal to whatever lowlife is running under the party label. So, you can safely ignore any list of reasons a Republican gives you for why he's voting for Herp McDerp. There's only real reason: Herp McDerp is a Republican.


Reminds me of Douglas Adams:

[An extraterrestrial robot and spaceship has just landed on earth. The robot steps out of the spaceship...]
"I come in peace," it said, adding after a long moment of further grinding, "take me to your Lizard."

Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.

"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like to straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"

"What?"

"I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"

"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."

Ford shrugged again.

"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."
 
2012-08-21 03:30:53 AM  
Damn dirty librals trying to ruin the sanctity of rape
 
2012-08-21 03:31:26 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

I can take the "forcible" out of that rape!
 
2012-08-21 03:32:25 AM  
The GOP isn't waging a "War on Women." That's silly hyperbole. No, the majority of its members just have such an immature, simplistic way of looking at ALL human relationships, that anything out of their comfort zone they can explain only in a troubling context.

("Out of their comfort zone" = blacks, gays, women, hispanics ...)
 
2012-08-21 03:32:35 AM  
From the comments under TFA:

"In fact, it is consensual sex that produced such monsters as Hitler, Stalin, and Jimmy Carter. Unless of course they were one of those few cases of legitimate rape where the woman's body didn't function correctly. However, the odds are slim. So let me ask you, would you rather take your chances with consensual sex, which has such a sordid track record, or forcible rape that produced these two fine Americans?"
 
2012-08-21 03:33:50 AM  
Extraordinary people like the lead singer of Hatebreed. Vote Republican.
 
2012-08-21 03:34:13 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: From the comments under TFA:

"In fact, it is consensual sex that produced such monsters as Hitler, Stalin, and Jimmy Carter. Unless of course they were one of those few cases of legitimate rape where the woman's body didn't function correctly. However, the odds are slim. So let me ask you, would you rather take your chances with consensual sex, which has such a sordid track record, or forcible rape that produced these two fine Americans?"



Day late and a dollar short on pointing this gem out. Unless you don't realize it's a joke or the discussion continued beyond that to an epic burn on Tosh.
 
2012-08-21 03:34:26 AM  
So, having compassion for rape victims and treating any resulting offspring like HUMAN beings is now a bad thing? I wish you people would make up your minds on this.
 
2012-08-21 03:34:54 AM  
On another note though, what this all is, from all of them saying this stupid shiat, is to defend banning abortions in ALL circumstances....

even if they were raped.....

even if it was incest......

even if they were 12 years old.....

gotta have the baby.
 
2012-08-21 03:37:11 AM  
I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.

/not a Democrat or Republican
 
2012-08-21 03:37:28 AM  

Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

[. . .] How can there be variations on rape?? [. . .]


There's all kinds of rape. Improvisational rape, Kansas City rape, cool rape, big band rape...

Wait, those are types of jazz. Or as I like to call it, ear-rape.
 
2012-08-21 03:37:58 AM  

SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.

/not a Democrat or Republican


Vote Democlican.
 
2012-08-21 03:38:00 AM  
I vote "None of the Above." That should be an option on the voting ticket. It would win every time.

/Brewster's Millions for the win.
 
2012-08-21 03:38:52 AM  
Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.
 
2012-08-21 03:39:45 AM  
It's almost like the Republican Party is trying to do that suck for luck thing, where you fail so miserably this season you get first round draft picks next season.

Except they fail to realize that congressmen aren't just handed out in a draft.
 
2012-08-21 03:41:20 AM  
"Date rape" isn't really rape anyway. I mean, it could be depending on the situation, but it's not necessarily that way even though overzealot people started using the name rape to define whatever nebulous thing happens there because every-time you mention the word rape it elicits images of a man physically assaulting a woman and penetrating her while she cries. Also, it's WAAAAAY to manipulable to be something concise.

Oh she was drunk? Well, he probably was too, so that's not really a reason to call it rape just because she later felt she shouldn't have had sex. How do you even demonstrate something like that? So the guy is liable just because he's a guy? It's actually sexist towards women since it presupposes a male superiority in judgment and mental qualities.

"Date rape" shouldn't be classified as actual rape unless there's intent involved and the presence of external factors like rohypnol or whatever. Also, change that idiotic name for the concept.
 
2012-08-21 03:41:22 AM  

dletter: On another note though, what this all is, from all of them saying this stupid shiat, is to defend banning abortions in ALL circumstances....

even if they were raped.....

even if it was incest......

even if they were 12 years old.....

gotta have the baby.


but in the end, if the fetus is a human, then all abortion is illegal and immoral. period.
if some abortion is morally ok, rape, incest, the mother is about to EXPLODE, then the fetus is not a human with any rights.

to pick the innocent rape victim over the innocent fetus is just a sliding scale of morality.
which makes it just as moral to abort a 9 week old fetus of non-rape.
to argue one is less moral is arguing shades of grey, not a moral argument at all.

/can we finally make it legal to abort up to and including the 315 trimester and just be done with it??
 
2012-08-21 03:42:00 AM  

SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.

/not a Democrat or Republican


both are bad, vote democrat!!
 
2012-08-21 03:43:55 AM  

Vodka Zombie: The concept of "forcible" rape exists only to demonstrate to the planet that you are a very stupid person who deserves to be mocked without mercy.



I agree that people who believe in so-called "date rape" are stupid and deserve to be mocked.
 
2012-08-21 03:44:36 AM  

GOP: The Party of Rape
Vote GOP • Vote Rape

 
2012-08-21 03:44:49 AM  
Sounds like Republicans are tripping over themselves trying to be apologists for Julian Assange. Who knew?
 
2012-08-21 03:45:42 AM  

(or)


Today's GOP
Come in our big tent so we can rape you

 
2012-08-21 03:45:47 AM  

namatad: I was going to go here, but she knew who the father was. She just made up a story so that Joseph wouldnt stone her.


The story was made up later in the First Century to add to the Jesus was divine line that Paul was selling his gullible followers.
Mary, if she existed, had nothing to do with it.
 
2012-08-21 03:46:16 AM  
Rape babies...
 
2012-08-21 03:46:29 AM  
content6.flixster.com 

MANDY: Well, Brian,... your father isn't Mr. Cohen.

BRIAN: I never thought he was.

MANDY: Now, none of your cheek! He was a Roman, Brian. He was a centurion in the Roman army.

BRIAN: You mean... you were raped?

MANDY: Well, at first, yes.

BRIAN: Who was it?

MANDY: Heh. Nortius Maximus his name was. Hmm. Promised me the known world he did. I was to be taken to Rome, House by the Forum. Slaves. Asses' milk. As much gold as I could eat. Then, he, having his way with me had... voom! Like a rat out of an aqueduct.

BRIAN: The bastard!

MANDY: Yeah. So, next time you go on about the 'bloody Romans', don't forget you're one of them.

BRIAN: I'm not a Roman, Mum, and I never will be! I'm a Kike! A Yid! A Hebe! A Hook-nose! I'm Kosher, Mum! I'm a Red Sea Pedestrian, and proud of it! [slam]

MANDY: Huh. Sex, sex, sex Rape, Rape, Rape, Legitimate Rape, Forcible Rape. That's all they think about, huh?
 
2012-08-21 03:46:39 AM  

intelligent comment below: Sounds like Republicans are tripping over themselves trying to be apologists for Julian Assange. Who knew?


No one likes a tattle-tale. That's why he had to resort to axing Ecuador for help.
 
2012-08-21 03:47:25 AM  

Irving Maimway: How can there be variations on rape??


Well let's see... you've got rape, "rape", rape-rape, legitimate rape, "legitimate" rape and 2legit2quit rape.

To name just a few.
 
2012-08-21 03:47:44 AM  
www.exposemittromney.com

Hey GOP..... I'm trying to run a campaign here... you think you can go 2 days without talking about rape? Thanks.
 
2012-08-21 03:47:44 AM  
Some things in life are bad they can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewin' on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best

And always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the light side of life

If life seems jolly rotten there's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing
When you're feeling in the dumps don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle, that's the thing

And always look on the bright side of life
Come on, always look on the bright side of life
 
2012-08-21 03:48:06 AM  

SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion


And that point would be what, exactly?
 
2012-08-21 03:48:18 AM  

SuwonROKs: He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.


He already looked bad by "making a point about abortion" which is none of his goddamn business.
Staying out of non-consenting women's vaginas doesn't only apply to rape.
 
2012-08-21 03:48:33 AM  
We gave women the right to vote, and they still complain? Stay classy, women.
 
2012-08-21 03:48:34 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: RAAAAPE!


This makes me laugh..... A lot
 
2012-08-21 03:49:46 AM  
I'm waiting for "Rape-Babies, the animated series" to come out before I weigh in here.

/You'd think Huckaberry woulda learned to shut his gaping pie-hole by now whenever the subject of rape comes up.
//You know, after releasing that rapist early (with predictable results) who conned him into it by telling Huckster that he'd found Jesus and was totally a legitimate non-rapist now..
 
2012-08-21 03:49:52 AM  
*Facepalm*
The Republican party is as dumb as as....well...as they are.
 
2012-08-21 03:50:14 AM  
As a politician I might be inclined to keep my holes shut on this subject.

Not sure what they think they can gain.
 
2012-08-21 03:50:15 AM  

Hetfield: We gave women the right to vote, and they still complain? Stay classy, women.


The very idea of "equality of the sexes" is silly. Have you EVER known a woman who was happy with what she had?
 
2012-08-21 03:50:51 AM  

dletter: On another note though, what this all is, from all of them saying this stupid shiat, is to defend banning abortions in ALL circumstances....

even if they were raped.....

even if it was incest......

even if they were 12 years old.....

gotta have the baby.


Pretty much. Live babies to turn into dead soldiers, as Carlin put it.

BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all. I know you got a book sale boost by convincing people that eating some overpriced chicken made them somehow more Christ-like, but the fact that you are actually seeking to find a silver lining for one of the cruelest things a human being can do to another human being is beyond sickening. And it's all in the interest of boosting your political team, not your God.

That's like walking up to someone who was beaten and crippled, and telling them at least they get the best parking spots now.

You are a snake oil salesman hiding behind a Bible. You've turned the elephant into your golden calf.
Hopefully, the horrible act you're now lamenting the brighter side of never happens to someone you care about. You wouldn't want to choke down the shiat you just spewed out.
 
2012-08-21 03:51:55 AM  
There was a correct way to handle this. Surprisingly, the GOP took that option. Mike Huckabee said fark that shiat and barreled through the warning signs right off a cliff before exploding in a spectacular display of WTF.
 
2012-08-21 03:53:04 AM  

stoli n coke: You are a snake oil salesman hiding behind a Bible.


And he's fat.
 
2012-08-21 03:54:26 AM  

untaken_name: Hetfield: We gave women the right to vote, and they still complain? Stay classy, women.

The very idea of "equality of the sexes" is silly. Have you EVER known a woman who was happy with what she had?


I don't really know, they won't talk much unless I pay extra. :(
 
2012-08-21 03:55:21 AM  

Irving Maimway: How can there be variations on rape??


Are you dense? There's also variations on homicide:

Homicide
Murder
Note: Varies by jurisdiction
Assassination Child murder
Consensual homicide
Contract killing Felony murder rule
Honor killing Human sacrifice (Child)
Lust murder Lynching
Mass murder Murder-suicide
Proxy murder Pseudocommando
Lonely hearts killer Serial killer
Spree killer Torture murder
Feticide Double murder
Misdemeanor murder Crime of passion
Internet homicide Depraved-heart murder
Manslaughter
in English law
Negligent homicide
Vehicular homicide
Non-criminal homicide
Note: Varies by jurisdiction
Justifiable homicide
Capital punishment
Human sacrifice
Feticide
Medicide
By victim or victims
Suicide
Family
Familicide Avunculicide
Prolicide (Filicide, Infanticide, Neonaticide)
Fratricide Sororicide
Mariticide Uxoricide
Parricide (Matricide, Patricide)
Other
Friendly fire
Genocide Democide
Gendercide
Omnicide
Regicide Tyrannicide
Pseudocide Deicide
 
2012-08-21 03:55:49 AM  
These people need to be purged. It's not just that they add nothing to the world, it's that they actively work towards destroying it.

It doesn't help that many of them would welcome the apocalypse since they're religious farktards.
 
2012-08-21 03:56:02 AM  
obit-mag.com
 
2012-08-21 03:56:12 AM  
In a sane country this joker would not be allowed to walk the streets much less run them.
 
2012-08-21 03:56:35 AM  
You know who was a product of consensual sex? That's right. It was Jimmy Carter!
 
2012-08-21 03:57:10 AM  

stoli n coke:
BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all.


How do you figure? The bible has all sorts of rules on rape, and most of it punishes the victim more than the rapist.
 
2012-08-21 03:58:52 AM  

WorldCitizen: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.


Also, there is the entirely misused and misbegotten term "date rape" by which most people mean when either one party doesn't say "no" forcefully enough and/or the other party takes silence for consent; although some people muddy the waters even further by using it when one party drugs the other party unconscious and then rapes them--which is actually "forcible" rape anyway.

Some people also apparently believe that if there was no force, there was no rape; ergo, any other kind of coercive or non-consensual sex in the absence of a savage beating is not real rape.
 
2012-08-21 03:59:07 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke:
BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all.

How do you figure? The bible has all sorts of rules on rape, and most of it punishes the victim more than the rapist.


That's the old testament. You know, the books written by and for those people who start all the wars.
 
2012-08-21 04:00:05 AM  

rocky_howard: Are you dense? There's also variations on homicide:


That's because "homicide" is a very broad term that can refer to plenty of things that aren't crimes at all - in contrast with rape, which is by definition a crime. You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.
 
2012-08-21 04:02:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: any other kind of coercive or non-consensual sex in the absence of a savage beating is not real rape.


You sound like Skyler some times.
 
2012-08-21 04:02:43 AM  

Biological Ali: You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.


SHE WAS COMING RIGHT AT ME!!
 
2012-08-21 04:04:25 AM  

Burn_The_Plows: Biological Ali: You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.

SHE WAS COMING RIGHT AT ME!!


And it was my only weapon!
 
2012-08-21 04:04:32 AM  
Mabe the Republicans mean "Rape Applience Repair"

Link

/they might be good people, but you see that repair van going down the road and pull into a driveway. It wierds people out

/which house wife ever said "honey the dishwashers out, call the rapist"
//oh,... GOP burn in hell
 
2012-08-21 04:06:26 AM  

Biological Ali: "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense"


i.imgur.com

"Let me just take a few quick notes here..."
 
2012-08-21 04:06:47 AM  

libranoelrose: Gyrfalcon: any other kind of coercive or non-consensual sex in the absence of a savage beating is not real rape.

You sound like Skyler some times.


??

Merely trying to understand my enemy, so I am never in peril. These fools actually believe in that old lawyer joke about a woman being able to run faster with her skirt up than a man can with his pants down.
 
2012-08-21 04:08:23 AM  
Kind of silly extol the good children without mentioning the bad. Rape has doubtless created murderers, psychopaths, and criminals of every kind and I suspect in greater percentages than other children. That would be partly through the manner women are forced to bring up an unloved offspring or send it into care and partly due to inheriting the bad genes of their scumbag lowlife father.
 
2012-08-21 04:09:27 AM  

Gyrfalcon: These fools actually believe in that old lawyer joke about a woman being able to run faster with her skirt up than a man can with his pants down.


That's crazy. Everyone knows men are more aerodynamic especially with a malicious erection.
 
2012-08-21 04:10:27 AM  

dletter: Burn_The_Plows: Biological Ali: You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.

SHE WAS COMING RIGHT AT ME!!

And it was my only weapon!


26.media.tumblr.com
PHANTOM SPACEMAN!
 
2012-08-21 04:10:36 AM  

SN1987a goes boom: Mike Huckabee: Gay marriage bad, eat chicken. Rape good, too.


Yes. Eat. Mor. Chikin.
 
2012-08-21 04:10:55 AM  

Makh: Legitimate rape: It's a pretty effective birth control. No need for condoms. On the rare chance it works, it produces wonderful people.


I like this as a headline much better than simply copy-pasting Gawker's.
 
2012-08-21 04:14:03 AM  
Can we just start calling them Rape-ublicans now?
 
2012-08-21 04:15:03 AM  

Ed Finnerty: Gyrfalcon: These fools actually believe in that old lawyer joke about a woman being able to run faster with her skirt up than a man can with his pants down.

That's crazy. Everyone knows men are more aerodynamic especially with a malicious erection.


What if it's just a negligent erection?
 
2012-08-21 04:15:33 AM  

Weaver95: you'd figure that by now the GOP would have sent out some sort of mass email to everyone everywhere that said something along the lines of 'SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING!'


Oh, they sent a memo, but it read, "Dig up, stupid."
 
2012-08-21 04:15:38 AM  

drxym: Kind of silly extol the good children without mentioning the bad. Rape has doubtless created murderers, psychopaths, and criminals of every kind and I suspect in greater percentages than other children. That would be partly through the manner women are forced to bring up an unloved offspring or send it into care and partly due to inheriting the bad genes of their scumbag lowlife father.


I'm a Cafeteria Catholic and wife's a psychiatric nurse at in-patient hospital
In army ive seen combat and things in this world
But my wife's stopped telling me of the children of rape and incest in the hospital
 
2012-08-21 04:17:17 AM  

SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.

/not a Democrat or Republican


So then you agree with him that a woman can't get pregnant when she is legitimately raped.
 
2012-08-21 04:17:32 AM  
I strongly suspect that everyone is the result of a rape somewhere in the distance past - at least that's what Quest for Fire taught me.
 
2012-08-21 04:18:39 AM  

pippi longstocking: In a sane country this joker would not be allowed to walk the streets much less run them.


Judging from the looks of him, Huckabee hasn't run anywhere in a very long time. At least, not since the ice cream truck stopped its routes in Little Rock.
 
2012-08-21 04:18:40 AM  

Gyrfalcon: libranoelrose: Gyrfalcon: any other kind of coercive or non-consensual sex in the absence of a savage beating is not real rape.

You sound like Skyler some times.

??

Merely trying to understand my enemy, so I am never in peril. These fools actually believe in that old lawyer joke about a woman being able to run faster with her skirt up than a man can with his pants down.


Breaking Bad joke.

The old lawyer joke is pretty funny.
 
2012-08-21 04:19:45 AM  

Kevin72: SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.

/not a Democrat or Republican

So then you agree with him that a woman can't get pregnant when she is legitimately raped.


...and should be FORCED by the government to raise that child.
 
2012-08-21 04:20:16 AM  

Biological Ali: rocky_howard: Are you dense? There's also variations on homicide:

That's because "homicide" is a very broad term that can refer to plenty of things that aren't crimes at all - in contrast with rape, which is by definition a crime. You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.


Even in the "murder" subsection there are variations and murder is already a crime.
 
2012-08-21 04:20:46 AM  

stoli n coke: pippi longstocking: In a sane country this joker would not be allowed to walk the streets much less run them.

Judging from the looks of him, Huckabee hasn't run anywhere in a very long time. At least, not since the ice cream truck stopped its routes in Little Rock.


That may or may not be true.

He got skinny a few years ago running for president.

Then decided that being fat was more important than running the free world.

He obviously wants the muslins to take over the planet.
 
2012-08-21 04:20:52 AM  

phrawgh: Kevin72: SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.

/not a Democrat or Republican

So then you agree with him that a woman can't get pregnant when she is legitimately raped.

...and should be FORCED by the government to raise that child.


But no government aid, because she should have thought of that before she got pregnant.
 
2012-08-21 04:24:37 AM  

stoli n coke: God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke:
BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all.

How do you figure? The bible has all sorts of rules on rape, and most of it punishes the victim more than the rapist.

That's the old testament. You know, the books written by and for those people who start all the wars.


And?

If you're going the "no true Scotsman" religious talk then I'm just going to give up.
But, IMO, Christian Huckabee is just as Christian as any other Christian.
Christian.
 
2012-08-21 04:26:43 AM  

Gyrfalcon: phrawgh: Kevin72: SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.

/not a Democrat or Republican

So then you agree with him that a woman can't get pregnant when she is legitimately raped.

...and should be FORCED by the government to raise that child.

But no government aid, because she should have thought of that before she got pregnant.


But once the kid turns 18, just get him to sign on the dotted line and we'll give him a government check, free room and board, some snazzy new clothes, and a shiny new gun. And all he has to do is go 12,000 miles away and bomb the shiat out of whatever brown people make Rush soil his shorts. Oh, and because Jesus.

Oh, but tell the kid not to get hurt, cause then the free ride is over, you farking bum.
 
2012-08-21 04:27:06 AM  

eraser8: But for all of that the overall numbers in the race have moved very little.Republican voters have been conditioned to be extraordinarily loyal to whatever lowlife is running under the party label. So, you can safely ignore any list of reasons a Republican gives you for why he's voting for Herp McDerp. There's only real reason: Herp McDerp is a Republican.


THIS.
 
2012-08-21 04:29:17 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke: God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke:
BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all.

How do you figure? The bible has all sorts of rules on rape, and most of it punishes the victim more than the rapist.

That's the old testament. You know, the books written by and for those people who start all the wars.

And?

If you're going the "no true Scotsman" religious talk then I'm just going to give up.
But, IMO, Christian Huckabee is just as Christian as any other Christian.
Christian.


There would be a lot less Christians if they actually read their bible... and comprehended what it says. They had an excuse when it was in Latin but it's been in English and widely available for well over 500 years. I cannot excuse them or pity them.
 
2012-08-21 04:29:29 AM  
thread is too rapey.
 
2012-08-21 04:29:31 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke: God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke:
BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all.

How do you figure? The bible has all sorts of rules on rape, and most of it punishes the victim more than the rapist.

That's the old testament. You know, the books written by and for those people who start all the wars.

And?

If you're going the "no true Scotsman" religious talk then I'm just going to give up.
But, IMO, Christian Huckabee is just as Christian as any other Christian.
Christian.


He was talking about the Jews...
 
2012-08-21 04:29:48 AM  

Hickory-smoked: SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion

And that point would be what, exactly?


That abortion should be illegal in all cases, including rape.
 
2012-08-21 04:29:58 AM  
Mega Steve: dletter: Burn_The_Plows: Biological Ali: You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.

SHE WAS COMING RIGHT AT ME!!

And it was my only weapon!

[26.media.tumblr.com image 500x372]
PHANTOM SPACEMAN!


You owe me a new keyboard, and a new coke, bastard.

/snicker.
 
2012-08-21 04:30:01 AM  
"You see, what I said was, "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." But what I meant to say was, "I am a worthless, moronic sack of shiat and an utterly irredeemable human being who needs to shut up and go away forever." 

Link
 
2012-08-21 04:30:10 AM  
Late to the discussion, but I just came here to say...

Roughly two weeks ago the internet was aflame with bickering over a rape joke used by a comedian (Daniel Tosh). And here we stand, yet these motherfarkers say it with a straight face, during an election season, etc etc. Last time it was at least a fair topic of discussion; this time it's just nauseating and depressing.

tl:dr
fark all these GOP dickwads. I'm moving to Canada.
 
2012-08-21 04:30:32 AM  

Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.


"Forcible" Rape is where a person literally (gunpoint/knifepoint/etc) forces the person to have sex with him/her.

"Drug-induced" Rape is where the person is given something to make it easier to have sex. Sometimes it is called "date rape"

"Statutory" Rape is sex with a minor (consensual or otherwise).
 
2012-08-21 04:35:18 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Ed Finnerty: Gyrfalcon: These fools actually believe in that old lawyer joke about a woman being able to run faster with her skirt up than a man can with his pants down.

That's crazy. Everyone knows men are more aerodynamic especially with a malicious erection.

What if it's just a negligent erection?


Then the man is a flip-flopper.
 
2012-08-21 04:35:29 AM  

rocky_howard:
He was talking about the Jews...

Oh

. Now I can see that.
Meh. Both groups suck.
 
2012-08-21 04:35:48 AM  

People_are_Idiots: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

"Forcible" Rape is where a person literally (gunpoint/knifepoint/etc) forces the person to have sex with him/her.

"Drug-induced" Rape is where the person is given something to make it easier to have sex. Sometimes it is called "date rape"

"Statutory" Rape is sex with a minor (consensual or otherwise).


You forgot:

"Child" Rape is sex with a young boy by a conservative coach and/or Catholic priest.
 
2012-08-21 04:36:09 AM  

phrawgh: Kevin72: SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.

/not a Democrat or Republican

So then you agree with him that a woman can't get pregnant when she is legitimately raped.

...and should be FORCED by the government to raise that child.


What child? If a woman is legitimately raped, she won't get pregnant because the whole system shuts down. That's what neither Democrat or Republican like SuwonROKs actually believe.
 
2012-08-21 04:41:24 AM  

Kevin72: phrawgh: Kevin72: SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.

/not a Democrat or Republican

So then you agree with him that a woman can't get pregnant when she is legitimately raped.

...and should be FORCED by the government to raise that child.

What child? If a woman is legitimately raped, she won't get pregnant because the whole system shuts down. That's what neither Democrat or Republican like SuwonROKs actually believe.


This is way too much gubmint intervention.

Let the free market handle the rape bidness.
 
2012-08-21 04:43:07 AM  

Hetfield: untaken_name: Hetfield: We gave women the right to vote, and they still complain? Stay classy, women.

The very idea of "equality of the sexes" is silly. Have you EVER known a woman who was happy with what she had?

I don't really know, they won't talk much unless I pay extra. :(


See what I mean? I have to pay extra to get them to shut up. Never happy.
 
2012-08-21 04:43:42 AM  

Kevin72: phrawgh: Kevin72: SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.

/not a Democrat or Republican

So then you agree with him that a woman can't get pregnant when she is legitimately raped.

...and should be FORCED by the government to raise that child.

What child? If a woman is legitimately raped, she won't get pregnant because the whole system shuts down. That's what neither Democrat or Republican like SuwonROKs actually believe.


So, if that is true, I have a question.

I'm a believer in mind over manner and the idea that sometimes your mind plays tricks on the body.

In theory, maybe next time, right before the moment of truth, I should put on a ski mask and tell her, "biatch you gonna get raped."

If it works, it could result in thousands of dollars in savings on birth control. If not, I just gave some old clothes to Goodwill, so I have a surplus of wire hangers. Win-win.
 
2012-08-21 04:44:29 AM  

Bocasio: Mabe the Republicans mean "Rape Applience Repair"

Link

/they might be good people, but you see that repair van going down the road and pull into a driveway. It wierds people out

/which house wife ever said "honey the dishwashers out, call the rapist"
//oh,... GOP burn in hell


Damn! Talk about an unfortunate business name. The van in their ad doesn't help either. Bet they don't get a lot of calls from women... o_O 

Seriously, wtf were they thinking?
 
2012-08-21 04:44:49 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke:
BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all.

How do you figure? The bible has all sorts of rules on rape, and most of it punishes the victim more than the rapist.


The victim is punished more than being stoned to death? I get the feeling you heard that from someone rather than looked it up yourself.
 
2012-08-21 04:49:49 AM  

untaken_name: God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke:
BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all.

How do you figure? The bible has all sorts of rules on rape, and most of it punishes the victim more than the rapist.

The victim is punished more than being stoned to death? I get the feeling you heard that from someone rather than looked it up yourself.


Who is the victim?
 
2012-08-21 04:54:03 AM  

stoli n coke: mind over manner


You win first price.
 
2012-08-21 04:56:32 AM  

libranoelrose: untaken_name: God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke:
BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all.

How do you figure? The bible has all sorts of rules on rape, and most of it punishes the victim more than the rapist.

The victim is punished more than being stoned to death? I get the feeling you heard that from someone rather than looked it up yourself.

Who is the victim?


Is this some existential philosophical question? The victim would be the person who was raped. That's why they call them "rape victims", because they are the victim when there is a rape; that is; the person who was raped is the victim, typically.
 
2012-08-21 04:58:30 AM  
farkabees
 
2012-08-21 04:59:08 AM  

WorldCitizen: I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.


It's already sort of been covered, but they're making the distinction between, as you say, statutory rape and rape where the rapist beats the crap out of his victim,
but also between rape by a stranger or a husband forcing himself on his wife,
or a boss who rapes a subordinate by threatening a loss of employment but no physical violence,

but also a situation where a guy with a gun and a skimask surprises a woman and says "I'll kill you if you speak or don't do everything I say," because if you don't fight back then you're giving consent.
 
2012-08-21 04:59:53 AM  

rocky_howard: Biological Ali: rocky_howard: Are you dense? There's also variations on homicide:

That's because "homicide" is a very broad term that can refer to plenty of things that aren't crimes at all - in contrast with rape, which is by definition a crime. You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.

Even in the "murder" subsection there are variations and murder is already a crime.


Yeah, but there's very few in comparison and, much like rape, most of the variants are just designations for particularly severe instances of the crime or for the crime being committed against various classes of victim (minors etc.)
 
2012-08-21 05:02:10 AM  

Biological Ali: rocky_howard: Biological Ali: rocky_howard: Are you dense? There's also variations on homicide:

That's because "homicide" is a very broad term that can refer to plenty of things that aren't crimes at all - in contrast with rape, which is by definition a crime. You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.

Even in the "murder" subsection there are variations and murder is already a crime.

Yeah, but there's very few in comparison and, much like rape, most of the variants are just designations for particularly severe instances of the crime or for the crime being committed against various classes of victim (minors etc.)


Isn't that the same for rape?

Forcibly rape
Drug-induced rape
Statutory rape
 
2012-08-21 05:02:42 AM  
Mike Huckabee would know.

As the legend goes, Mike Huckabee himself was conceived one fateful evening after the 12th annual Drunken Barn Dance when, as legend goes, his mother (a blue ribbon prize heifer) was "forcibly raped" repeatedly with sticks of butter.
 
2012-08-21 05:02:55 AM  

stoli n coke: Kevin72: phrawgh: Kevin72: SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context
So then you agree with him that a woman can't get pregnan
What child? If a woman is legitimately raped, she won't get pregnant because the whole onROKs actually believe.

So, if that is true, I have a question.
I'm a believer in mind over manner and the idea that sometimes your mind plays tricks on the body.
In theory, maybe next time, right before the moment of truth, I should put on a ski mask and tell her, "biatch you gonna get raped."
If it works, it could result in thousands of dollars in savings on birth control. If not, I just gave some old clothes to Goodwill, so I have a surplus of wire hangers. Win-win.


Yes, yes, and yes. That's why this scientific breakthrough has been so newsworthy. Yes, legitimate rape is the best birth control. Because legitimate rape shuts the whole system down, so the woman doesn't get pregnant.
 
2012-08-21 05:03:05 AM  
Rape rape.

Also known as Republican Damage Control.
 
2012-08-21 05:04:16 AM  

untaken_name: libranoelrose: untaken_name: God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke:
BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all.

How do you figure? The bible has all sorts of rules on rape, and most of it punishes the victim more than the rapist.

The victim is punished more than being stoned to death? I get the feeling you heard that from someone rather than looked it up yourself.

Who is the victim?

Is this some existential philosophical question? The victim would be the person who was raped. That's why they call them "rape victims", because they are the victim when there is a rape; that is; the person who was raped is the victim, typically.


My bad.

I was under the impression that the victim was the fully formed human that was aborted before they could become a preacher.

Is this still about how much of an asshole Huck is?
 
2012-08-21 05:04:57 AM  
Why don't they just up it a single notch and say the girl should be married to the rapist.
 
2012-08-21 05:05:32 AM  

untaken_name:
The victim is punished more than being stoned to death? I get the feeling you heard that from someone rather than looked it up yourself.


I'm referring to the "rape a virgin" punishment of her being forced to marry the rapist. Although it might have applied to any single woman, but I think it was virgin (since women are property and all).

There's the taking of women as the spoils of war, although that doesn't directly imply rape I suppose.

Oh, and Lot and his daughters had a pretty good time. I don't think that was a legitimate rape, though.

Weren't female slaves forced to concede sexually to the male slave of the owner's choice, too?
 
2012-08-21 05:05:56 AM  
Rape is not a sex crime, it is a crime of assault. Assault with an ugly weapon.
 
2012-08-21 05:06:33 AM  

namatad:
we really need a 95% accurate lie detector. of course we would have to have them surgically attached to all public officials ....


Lucky for you it's coming, MRI lie detectors
and So that was secret huh?
 
2012-08-21 05:08:26 AM  
www.islamicinvitationturkey.com

Approves.

/This is what the Tea Party Taliban wants America to become.
 
2012-08-21 05:10:42 AM  
Maddow had a great show last night about all this stuff. and the fascist sec of state in Ohio
 
2012-08-21 05:11:13 AM  
Let me see if I got this right ... The following methods are NOT 'legitimate' rape (even though they are criminal forms of rape).

- An adult abuses their position of authority (either as a professional, religious leader, community leader or individual guardian) as the means to coerce the minor or subservient to have sex.

- The rape victim is inebriated or incapacitated

And it is the lack of either one, force or trauma, that negates the need for medical coverage. And religious libertarian-types are okay with this.
 
2012-08-21 05:11:23 AM  

Kevin72: stoli n coke: Kevin72: phrawgh: Kevin72: SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context
So then you agree with him that a woman can't get pregnan
What child? If a woman is legitimately raped, she won't get pregnant because the whole onROKs actually believe.

So, if that is true, I have a question.
I'm a believer in mind over manner and the idea that sometimes your mind plays tricks on the body.
In theory, maybe next time, right before the moment of truth, I should put on a ski mask and tell her, "biatch you gonna get raped."
If it works, it could result in thousands of dollars in savings on birth control. If not, I just gave some old clothes to Goodwill, so I have a surplus of wire hangers. Win-win.

Yes, yes, and yes. That's why this scientific breakthrough has been so newsworthy. Yes, legitimate rape is the best birth control. Because legitimate rape shuts the whole system down, so the woman doesn't get pregnant.


Problem is, I'm just not a rapey kind of guy.
But, if I play this on the stereo at the right time, maybe her body will believe it's legit.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-21 05:11:57 AM  
I guess Romney/Ryan weren't doing enough to make the GOP look bad this election cycle, so now we have the B-Listers cranking up the Crazy to 11. Good job, Huckabee. At least we now know that if you'd become the GOP candidate for President, Obama would have won re-election by the largest margin in American history.
 
2012-08-21 05:13:35 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: [www.islamicinvitationturkey.com image 460x288]

Approves.

/This is what the Tea Party Taliban wants America to become.


Does that guy know that pinky rings are a sign of the homosexuals?
 
2012-08-21 05:13:51 AM  
I was raped by my friendʻs brother one night when he was drunk and stoned. He was sharpening a big knife. I told him no, but even as big as I am, he overpowered me. I begged him to use protection and he refused. I bawled the entire time and finally passed out from pain and exhaustion. When I woke up, I wanted to chew my arm off rather than wake him up. I snuck out of his house and went home where I showered for hours. I shouldʻve gone to the hospital, but my mind was just blank.

My friends questioned why I didnʻt scream or fight, but I was freaking out that he would stab me if I tried anything funny.

Since that day, I have found it nearly impossible to get close to anyone. Itʻs going on 20 years. I have tried getting help from rape counseling centers & various counselors, but with every passing year, counselors have said I should just "get over it" already.

Iʻm working on helping myself since no one else will. But the experience has made me very numb from the neck down and put on lots of weight as a coping mechanism so that no one would find me attractive. Now Iʻm lonely and want to feel safe with someone and be able to love, cuddle, make love to, and be comfortable in a dark room with someone again. I deserve to be happy and joyous in my life. Aloha.
 
2012-08-21 05:13:54 AM  
Surprised no one mentioned this.
Score the Evil Vote
 
2012-08-21 05:14:40 AM  
Wait, I guess I wasn't following too closely but, what type of rape is the one that creates the extraordinary people? Is that the forcible type or just the normal one... I gotta know since I plan on having all my children growing up with extraordinary abilities!

-- Professor X
 
2012-08-21 05:16:51 AM  
And to predict the future, it always amuses me when people attempt to take responsibility for themselves by saying "I'm sorry I said that" instead of "I'm sorry I thought that". It's roughly the same as if someone were to say "sorry you got stabbed" instead of "sorry I stabbed you" - apologizing for an action's effect rather than its cause. Such a lack of personal responsibility for one's actions means that you get to be a monster and still feel good about yourself.

/I give it two weeks
//I'm sorry I said all of that
 
2012-08-21 05:17:58 AM  
What's infuriating beyond rage isn't that Huckaboo has a TV network that panders to him, a government lifetime pension from being elected into public office or the mindset of a tribalistic fire-dancing snake charmer chanting to the moon spirit, it's that the farking asshat has an Alembic bass.

/ Those are very nice basses
 
2012-08-21 05:19:42 AM  

Gyrfalcon: So then you agree with him that a woman can't get pregnant when she is legitimately raped.

...and should be FORCED by the government to raise that child.

But no government aid, because she should have thought of that before she got pregnant.

 
And not have cheap alternatives for contraception to bypass this whole thing, because only the rich and/or employed sluts should have control over their reproductive systems.
 
mhd
2012-08-21 05:20:04 AM  
There's a quick solution to this "debate": Make the rape defenders listen to Tori Amos 24/7. They'll soon change their mind.

/Or "break up with Tom Cruise".
 
2012-08-21 05:21:43 AM  

PsychoLaurie: I was raped by my friendʻs brother one night when he was drunk and stoned. He was sharpening a big knife. I told him no, but even as big as I am, he overpowered me. I begged him to use protection and he refused. I bawled the entire time and finally passed out from pain and exhaustion. When I woke up, I wanted to chew my arm off rather than wake him up. I snuck out of his house and went home where I showered for hours. I shouldʻve gone to the hospital, but my mind was just blank.

My friends questioned why I didnʻt scream or fight, but I was freaking out that he would stab me if I tried anything funny.

Since that day, I have found it nearly impossible to get close to anyone. Itʻs going on 20 years. I have tried getting help from rape counseling centers & various counselors, but with every passing year, counselors have said I should just "get over it" already.

Iʻm working on helping myself since no one else will. But the experience has made me very numb from the neck down and put on lots of weight as a coping mechanism so that no one would find me attractive. Now Iʻm lonely and want to feel safe with someone and be able to love, cuddle, make love to, and be comfortable in a dark room with someone again. I deserve to be happy and joyous in my life. Aloha.


I'd like to give it a shot, but your username doesn't help me :/

Lemme add you on Facebook.
 
2012-08-21 05:22:30 AM  

rocky_howard: Isn't that the same for rape?

Forcibly rape
Drug-induced rape
Statutory rape


I don't think too many people would count statutory rape alongside your stereotypical rapes. It's a kind of offense, sure, but I wouldn't really list it as a variant of rape.

As for "drug-induced rape" I think it would make more sense to just treat it the same as "forcible rape" with additional charges for whatever drugs you administered to the person (assuming that it too was without their consent). I don't know much about US laws so I'm not sure about the degree to which drug-induced rape would be treated differently on a formal basis.
 
2012-08-21 05:22:39 AM  

namatad:
have you EVER watched reality TV? clearly MOST people are this stupid


I'm not saying I disagree with your conclusion, but your data field suffers from double selection bias. Reality TV doesn't want smart people, and smart people don't want to be in reality TV.
 
2012-08-21 05:23:01 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: untaken_name:
The victim is punished more than being stoned to death? I get the feeling you heard that from someone rather than looked it up yourself.

I'm referring to the "rape a virgin" punishment of her being forced to marry the rapist. Although it might have applied to any single woman, but I think it was virgin (since women are property and all).

There's the taking of women as the spoils of war, although that doesn't directly imply rape I suppose.

Oh, and Lot and his daughters had a pretty good time. I don't think that was a legitimate rape, though.

Weren't female slaves forced to concede sexually to the male slave of the owner's choice, too?


You mean the clause where if the young people who committed adultery were both virgins they could get married instead of being stoned to death? O...k. That always seemed like a reasonable out, to me. All parties to adultery were supposed to be stoned to death. Now, it's certainly true that in practical application, many men were not punished although women were - as when the guy people call Jesus stopped a crowd from stoning a woman for adultery even though the man was allowed to go free. Also, women were NOT property, and in fact the ancient Hebrews were one of the few historical ancient societies in which women were allowed to own property and make business deals. I think you're making the common mistake of thinking that a bride-price means that the bride is bought and purchased property of the husband - that's not the case, and in fact the bride price did not go to the groom. It was the inheritance that the bride would not receive from her parents upon their death - given to her early to symbolize that the responsibility for making sure she was cared for (what many people mistake as ownership) passed from father to husband. Now, I'm certainly not arguing that the treatment of the sexes was equal in the ancient Hebrew days, but it's a far cry from having to protect and support women to owning them. As for slavery - Hebrews couldn't make slaves of other Hebrews, only bond servants, whose term was limited by law. Only "strangers" could be taken into involuntary servitude (and it was illegal to beat them or starve them or mistreat them in any way other than confining them to involuntary servitude), in war or from any other cause. Bond servitude could be entered into without the consent of the bond servant, but not without some action on his part - for example, owing a debt he could not pay. Now, having said all that, I am not religious, and I only study religious texts in order to crush more arguments from religious people more easily, so my understanding may be flawed, but I've put in quite a bit of study on the ancient Hebrew religious texts.
 
2012-08-21 05:24:18 AM  
PsychoLaurie:

I'm sorry. There's nothing I can say to improve your life, other than you should be proud of yourself for maintaining the strength to march on.
And you do indeed deserve to be happy and joyous, and that day will come.

I will say this, though, that Fark is one of the worst places in which to admit a weakness.
 
2012-08-21 05:25:30 AM  

stoli n coke: dletter: On another note though, what this all is, from all of them saying this stupid shiat, is to defend banning abortions in ALL circumstances....

even if they were raped.....

even if it was incest......

even if they were 12 years old.....

gotta have the baby.

Pretty much. Live babies to turn into dead soldiers, as Carlin put it.

BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all. I know you got a book sale boost by convincing people that eating some overpriced chicken made them somehow more Christ-like, but the fact that you are actually seeking to find a silver lining for one of the cruelest things a human being can do to another human being is beyond sickening. And it's all in the interest of boosting your political team, not your God.

That's like walking up to someone who was beaten and crippled, and telling them at least they get the best parking spots now.

You are a snake oil salesman hiding behind a Bible. You've turned the elephant into your golden calf.
Hopefully, the horrible act you're now lamenting the brighter side of never happens to someone you care about. You wouldn't want to choke down the shiat you just spewed out.


I think the bible is ok with rape. As long as the woman is a virgin and you marry her afterwards.

/seriously
 
2012-08-21 05:25:44 AM  

PsychoLaurie: I was raped by my friendʻs brother one night when he was drunk and stoned. He was sharpening a big knife. I told him no, but even as big as I am, he overpowered me. I begged him to use protection and he refused. I bawled the entire time and finally passed out from pain and exhaustion. When I woke up, I wanted to chew my arm off rather than wake him up. I snuck out of his house and went home where I showered for hours. I shouldʻve gone to the hospital, but my mind was just blank.

My friends questioned why I didnʻt scream or fight, but I was freaking out that he would stab me if I tried anything funny.

Since that day, I have found it nearly impossible to get close to anyone. Itʻs going on 20 years. I have tried getting help from rape counseling centers & various counselors, but with every passing year, counselors have said I should just "get over it" already.

Iʻm working on helping myself since no one else will. But the experience has made me very numb from the neck down and put on lots of weight as a coping mechanism so that no one would find me attractive. Now Iʻm lonely and want to feel safe with someone and be able to love, cuddle, make love to, and be comfortable in a dark room with someone again. I deserve to be happy and joyous in my life. Aloha.


You must be thankful to find out from the wisdom of our elected officials that you were actually raped.
/end snark
 
2012-08-21 05:26:16 AM  
Time for me to contribute to society.

/does this smell like chloroform to you?
 
2012-08-21 05:27:44 AM  

untaken_name: God-is-a-Taco: untaken_name:
The victim is punished more than being stoned to death? I get the feeling you heard that from someone rather than looked it up yourself.

I'm referring to the "rape a virgin" punishment of her being forced to marry the rapist. Although it might have applied to any single woman, but I think it was virgin (since women are property and all).

There's the taking of women as the spoils of war, although that doesn't directly imply rape I suppose.

Oh, and Lot and his daughters had a pretty good time. I don't think that was a legitimate rape, though.

Weren't female slaves forced to concede sexually to the male slave of the owner's choice, too?

You mean the clause where if the young people who committed adultery were both virgins they could get married instead of being stoned to death? O...k. That always seemed like a reasonable out, to me. All parties to adultery were supposed to be stoned to death. Now, it's certainly true that in practical application, many men were not punished although women were - as when the guy people call Jesus stopped a crowd from stoning a woman for adultery even though the man was allowed to go free. Also, women were NOT property, and in fact the ancient Hebrews were one of the few historical ancient societies in which women were allowed to own property and make business deals. I think you're making the common mistake of thinking that a bride-price means that the bride is bought and purchased property of the husband - that's not the case, and in fact the bride price did not go to the groom. It was the inheritance that the bride would not receive from her parents upon their death - given to her early to symbolize that the responsibility for making sure she was cared for (what many people mistake as ownership) passed from father to husband. Now, I'm certainly not arguing that the treatment of the sexes was equal in the ancient Hebrew days, but it's a far cry from having to protect and support women to owning them. ...


This doesn't sound like you, Tats.
 
2012-08-21 05:32:42 AM  
I guess if torture can be made acceptable by the right, then so can rape.
 
2012-08-21 05:33:50 AM  

libranoelrose: untaken_name: God-is-a-Taco: untaken_name:
The victim is punished more than being stoned to death? I get the feeling you heard that from someone rather than looked it up yourself.

I'm referring to the "rape a virgin" punishment of her being forced to marry the rapist. Although it might have applied to any single woman, but I think it was virgin (since women are property and all).

There's the taking of women as the spoils of war, although that doesn't directly imply rape I suppose.

Oh, and Lot and his daughters had a pretty good time. I don't think that was a legitimate rape, though.

Weren't female slaves forced to concede sexually to the male slave of the owner's choice, too?

You mean the clause where if the young people who committed adultery were both virgins they could get married instead of being stoned to death? O...k. That always seemed like a reasonable out, to me. All parties to adultery were supposed to be stoned to death. Now, it's certainly true that in practical application, many men were not punished although women were - as when the guy people call Jesus stopped a crowd from stoning a woman for adultery even though the man was allowed to go free. Also, women were NOT property, and in fact the ancient Hebrews were one of the few historical ancient societies in which women were allowed to own property and make business deals. I think you're making the common mistake of thinking that a bride-price means that the bride is bought and purchased property of the husband - that's not the case, and in fact the bride price did not go to the groom. It was the inheritance that the bride would not receive from her parents upon their death - given to her early to symbolize that the responsibility for making sure she was cared for (what many people mistake as ownership) passed from father to husband. Now, I'm certainly not arguing that the treatment of the sexes was equal in the ancient Hebrew days, but it's a far cry from having to protect and support women to ...


So, do you ever have anything substantive to add to any discussion? If you take issue with something I've said, why not try formulating an intelligent rebuttal to it? I even stated in my post that my understanding may be flawed. If you think you have a better understanding, fill me in. If you don't have a better understanding, then why take issue with my post?
 
2012-08-21 05:34:31 AM  

PsychoLaurie: I was raped by my friendʻs brother one night when he was drunk and stoned. He was sharpening a big knife. I told him no, but even as big as I am, he overpowered me. I begged him to use protection and he refused. I bawled the entire time and finally passed out from pain and exhaustion. When I woke up, I wanted to chew my arm off rather than wake him up. I snuck out of his house and went home where I showered for hours. I shouldʻve gone to the hospital, but my mind was just blank.

My friends questioned why I didnʻt scream or fight, but I was freaking out that he would stab me if I tried anything funny.

Since that day, I have found it nearly impossible to get close to anyone. Itʻs going on 20 years. I have tried getting help from rape counseling centers & various counselors, but with every passing year, counselors have said I should just "get over it" already.

Iʻm working on helping myself since no one else will. But the experience has made me very numb from the neck down and put on lots of weight as a coping mechanism so that no one would find me attractive. Now Iʻm lonely and want to feel safe with someone and be able to love, cuddle, make love to, and be comfortable in a dark room with someone again. I deserve to be happy and joyous in my life. Aloha.


Counselor's are useless for trauma like this. You need to go and see an actual therapist and/or psychologist that specializes in trauma. It'll help, I promise you.

/so sayeth dr drew.
 
2012-08-21 05:36:23 AM  
All rape is forcible you sexist farkwit.

I'm sorry, but this would be like me trying to sell "the good side" of combat and legislating for the armed forces according to a belief that being shot or blown up is "not so bad."

This is one of those topics that,ore and more, I feel that people who have not personally experienced it need to STFU.
 
2012-08-21 05:36:41 AM  
Sure, he might be right. But some extraordinary people have been created by pre-marital sex too, and I don't see the Catholic church changing their opinion on that.
 
2012-08-21 05:42:12 AM  

untaken_name: Also, women were NOT property, and in fact the ancient Hebrews were one of the few historical ancient societies in which women were allowed to own property and make business deals. I think you're making the common mistake of thinking that a bride-price means that the bride is bought and purchased property of the


Ahhh! Wall of text wall of text!
I made the "women were property" remark because of the overall misogyny and submission of women in the Abrahamic religions, not specifically to this topic.
I mentioned "spoils of war" to refer to the taking of slaves and surely-not-to-be-raped women and children from the enemy, I realize that a good holy book wouldn't overtly damage the same society if it were to take root.

And I'm not sure why you're calling them "bond servants". No need to excuse it if God allows it. (Those people probably don't even like God anyway) 


Err, this is going off-topic. Sorry. My original point was that no moral view taken from a holy book or script is of more value than any other in said book or script. No one gets to say that their interpretation is the true one.
 
2012-08-21 05:42:39 AM  
Keep raping that chicken
 
2012-08-21 05:43:57 AM  

libranoelrose: untaken_name: God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke:
BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all.

How do you figure? The bible has all sorts of rules on rape, and most of it punishes the victim more than the rapist.

The victim is punished more than being stoned to death? I get the feeling you heard that from someone rather than looked it up yourself.

Who is the victim?


The victim is clearly the conservative Christian male, whose archaic, patriarchal views are under attack by us evil libruls. Apparently rape is ok, as long as it is done within a Biblical context.

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2012-08-21 05:51:30 AM  

Irving Maimway: And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.


This is the way they really think. What they are trying to promote is the idea that some rape is legitimate rape and others aren't really rape, not when you think about it.


For example, say the son of a prominent Republican politician takes his date home and decides to get a little frisky and she plays hard to get - well, he just paid for an expensive dinner and drinks. He's entitled to a little sugar, and all women are whores. So yeah, she said no but really only wanted to see him show how attractive she is to him and once he threw her down on the bed and had her way she must have enjoyed it, right? She was writhing and scratching and screaming and there were tears running down her cheeks.

NOT RAPE.

If she gets pregnant then she's the one who chose to ruin her life being a single mother. Stupid biatch. He has important things to do in life and can't afford to be saddled down with some brat.

AGAIN I SAY, NOT RAPE and you democrats should apologise for trying to make this a political issue.
 
2012-08-21 05:53:12 AM  

cc_rider: libranoelrose: untaken_name: God-is-a-Taco: stoli n coke:
BTW, Huckster. There is NOTHING Christian about rape. At all.

How do you figure? The bible has all sorts of rules on rape, and most of it punishes the victim more than the rapist.

The victim is punished more than being stoned to death? I get the feeling you heard that from someone rather than looked it up yourself.

Who is the victim?

The victim is clearly the conservative Christian male, whose archaic, patriarchal views are under attack by us evil libruls. Apparently rape is ok, as long as it is done within a Biblical context.

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thank you
now i'm going to my non rapey bed
g'nite all
 
2012-08-21 05:57:52 AM  

Befuddled: I guess if torture can be made acceptable by the right, then so can rape.


Rape and torture aren't too far apart. I'm sure rape has been used as torture and the effects on the victim are very similar.
 
2012-08-21 05:58:58 AM  
And so I know it happens, and yet even from those horrible, horrible tragedies of rape, which are inexcusable and indefensible, life has come and sometimes, you know, those people are able to do extraordinary things."

I love this. He makes sure that he adequately decries rape before, in so many words, telling you that maybe you should just accept it,

Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?" "Red cabernet?" Is the use of "forcible" being used to imply that some rape is less rapey than others? What difference is there in assaulting a passed out college girl at a kegger and physically holding her down while she's awake? The end result is the same.
 
2012-08-21 06:00:16 AM  
And?
 
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2012-08-21 06:02:00 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So society is better off if people keep on raping?


hallelujah!
 
2012-08-21 06:05:09 AM  

dickfreckle: Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?" "Red cabernet?" Is the use of "forcible" being used to imply that some rape is less rapey than others?


Some people are saying statutory rape isn't (necessarily) forcible. But raping a statue would require a lot of force.
 
2012-08-21 06:14:31 AM  

LordOfThePings: Some people are saying statutory rape isn't (necessarily) forcible. But raping a statue would require a lot of force.


Yeah, but they can't consent, so it's always rape.
 
2012-08-21 06:14:42 AM  
Well, as much as I hate giving the guy any credit, at least he is TRYING to be morally consistent with the position that abortion = killing babies, not just punishing women for farking.
 
2012-08-21 06:15:10 AM  

slayer199: These clowns need to STFU...they're clearly insane.


Would you say that they form a posse?

/sorry
 
2012-08-21 06:16:16 AM  
Ok..... for the last time. It is simple.

There is rape...

.... and there is rape rape.
 
2012-08-21 06:24:19 AM  
i471.photobucket.com

"The first 8 inches were consensual."
 
2012-08-21 06:24:38 AM  

drxym: Kind of silly extol the good children without mentioning the bad. Rape has doubtless created murderers, psychopaths, and criminals of every kind and I suspect in greater percentages than other children. That would be partly through the manner women are forced to bring up an unloved offspring or send it into care and partly due to inheriting the bad genes of their scumbag lowlife father.


If there's any chance of anything good coming of it, you have to do it. Unless "it" is foodstamps, or affirmative action, or paid maternity leave, or health care, or ...
 
2012-08-21 06:29:49 AM  
cdn.hometheaterforum.com
 
2012-08-21 06:32:22 AM  
Poetic , twisted justice would be to have the biggest nastiest jailed rapist rape Huckabee's and Akin's daughters and grand daughters.

Then deny then the morning after pill.
 
2012-08-21 06:34:28 AM  

PsychoLaurie: I was raped by my friendʻs brother one night


... you're friends with Mike Huckabee's siblings? I don't understand
 
2012-08-21 06:36:44 AM  
Yet more proof that Neanderthals did not go extinct.
 
2012-08-21 06:38:40 AM  
cdn01.dailycaller.com

"Hell, my own son is a product of forcible rape, and he tortures animals like nobody's business. That's winning! Now watch this lick."
 
2012-08-21 06:39:24 AM  

Gordon Bennett: If she gets pregnant then she's the one who chose to ruin her life being a single mother. Stupid biatch. He has important things to do in life and can't afford to be saddled down with some brat.


She probably faked the whole thing just to collect child support! It's a good thing his father has a friend who's a judge
 
2012-08-21 06:42:46 AM  
So.... He's saying go out and rape some biatches, right?
 
2012-08-21 06:43:39 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: So.... He's saying go out and rape some biatches, right?


For Jesus.
 
2012-08-21 06:47:54 AM  
"Ethel Waters, for example, was the result of a forcible rape,"

these dumb mother farkers still don't get it do they?

Was there some right wing nut job meeting where they decided it was a big deal to try and make peopelt hink there were different categories of rape?
 
2012-08-21 06:49:59 AM  

dickfreckle: And so I know it happens, and yet even from those horrible, horrible tragedies of rape, which are inexcusable and indefensible, life has come and sometimes, you know, those people are able to do extraordinary things."

I love this. He makes sure that he adequately decries rape before, in so many words, telling you that maybe you should just accept it,

Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?" "Red cabernet?" Is the use of "forcible" being used to imply that some rape is less rapey than others? What difference is there in assaulting a passed out college girl at a kegger and physically holding her down while she's awake? The end result is the same.


Please stop this. Not just you, everyone.

This kind of trivialization is what creates such confusion in the first place and gives ammo to the rape apologists since the scenario painted with such simple words is cognitively dissonant. Stop with the trivial examples or the idiotic terms as "date rape". Use language appropriately. No need to create cool terms or sound-bytes to be repeated ad nauseam.

"Date rape" just perpetuates both the idea that "hey, it was a date, I should have gotten mine" and the "omg I kinda didn't want to do this guy, but I did and now I regret it." It's way too ambiguous and light a term for anyone to take seriously. She was forced, she was drugged, none of this cutesy terms.

Ditto for the "passed out girl at a kegger". Has that actually happened? I'm pretty sure it has happened since we're 7 billion people on the planet and law of big numbers applies, but is it really a prevalent scenario? Because that just contributes to two things. 1 people dismiss it because, really? does that happen? You see a passed out body at a party and you have sex with that? and 2 it's just a sound byte that's become a stereotype and you have people arguing against stuff that probably doesn't even happen.
 
2012-08-21 06:50:56 AM  
These people have lost their damned minds... "Forcible" rape. As opposed to?

I love how the GOP is now trying to throw up a smoke screen that Akin's views are outside of the mainstream GOP view and they're all so offended by them. Bullshiat. The only thing these assholes are offended by is the fact he put a vital Senate seat in jeopardy by saying what many Republicans believe but know the vast majority of the American public find disgusting these days.

Republicans have been spouting this kind of nonsense since the 80s, at least.


Oh, and...

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2012-08-21 06:52:14 AM  

liam76: "Ethel Waters, for example, was the result of a forcible rape,"

these dumb mother farkers still don't get it do they?

Was there some right wing nut job meeting where they decided it was a big deal to try and make peopelt hink there were different categories of rape?


He's probably trying to differentiate between raping someone by drugging/forcing them and just having sex with a kid (which is rape by law since a minor can't consent, but there wasn't force involved).
 
2012-08-21 06:52:57 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So society is better off if people keep on raping?


Huck sure didn't mind when some doc raped him of his 2nd stomach under the knife in surgery.

/farkin' dirtball mouthbreathers
//want to stop abortion? Fine, pony up the money to raise, educate, feed, clothe, house these kids you don't give a sh*t at all about once they are brought to life
 
2012-08-21 06:55:26 AM  

rocky_howard: dickfreckle: And so I know it happens, and yet even from those horrible, horrible tragedies of rape, which are inexcusable and indefensible, life has come and sometimes, you know, those people are able to do extraordinary things."

I love this. He makes sure that he adequately decries rape before, in so many words, telling you that maybe you should just accept it,

Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?" "Red cabernet?" Is the use of "forcible" being used to imply that some rape is less rapey than others? What difference is there in assaulting a passed out college girl at a kegger and physically holding her down while she's awake? The end result is the same.

Please stop this. Not just you, everyone.

This kind of trivialization is what creates such confusion in the first place and gives ammo to the rape apologists since the scenario painted with such simple words is cognitively dissonant. Stop with the trivial examples or the idiotic terms as "date rape". Use language appropriately. No need to create cool terms or sound-bytes to be repeated ad nauseam.

"Date rape" just perpetuates both the idea that "hey, it was a date, I should have gotten mine" and the "omg I kinda didn't want to do this guy, but I did and now I regret it." It's way too ambiguous and light a term for anyone to take seriously. She was forced, she was drugged, none of this cutesy terms.

Ditto for the "passed out girl at a kegger". Has that actually happened? I'm pretty sure it has happened since we're 7 billion people on the planet and law of big numbers applies, but is it really a prevalent scenario? Because that just contributes to two things. 1 people dismiss it because, really? does that happen? You see a passed out body at a party and you have sex with that? and 2 it's just a sound byte that's become a stereotype and you have people arguing against stuff that probably doesn't even happen.


I guess you were asleep through all the GHB/Rohypnol drug rapes.

Yes, it does happen. No, it does not trivialize rape.

Speaking as a rape survivor, I tend to find the people who use that phrase, "trivializing rape," are usually trying to excuse some scenario or accuse the victims of lying. What truly trivializes rape is people who try to excuse it or blame the victims.
 
2012-08-21 06:58:11 AM  
Jesus must sometimes look down on his followers and ask himself was it really worth dying for these wretched buckets of filth.
 
2012-08-21 06:59:43 AM  

LordOfThePings: dickfreckle: Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?" "Red cabernet?" Is the use of "forcible" being used to imply that some rape is less rapey than others?

Some people are saying statutory rape isn't (necessarily) forcible. But raping a statue would require a lot of force.


I get that, but I just figured that everyone already understood that statutory rape is sort of its own legal area.

rocky_howard: This kind of trivialization is what creates such confusion in the first place and gives ammo to the rape apologists since the scenario painted with such simple words is cognitively dissonant. Stop with the trivial examples or the idiotic terms as "date rape". Use language appropriately. No need to create cool terms or sound-bytes to be repeated ad nauseam.

"Date rape" just perpetuates both the idea that "hey, it was a date, I should have gotten mine" and the "omg I kinda didn't want to do this guy, but I did and now I regret it." It's way too ambiguous and light a term for anyone to take seriously. She was forced, she was drugged, none of this cutesy terms.


Did you miss the part where I stated that there's no difference between raping someone who is passed out (or drugged) and forcibly holding the victim down? I wasn't trivializing anything; merely pointing out that rape is rape, and using words like "forcible" to further cloud the issue seems stupid.
 
2012-08-21 07:03:04 AM  

dickfreckle: I get that, but I just figured that everyone already understood that statutory rape is sort of its own legal area


Which is why it's probably unfortunate the word is overloaded with multiple legal meanings, and why the awkwardness of "forcible" might be a required clarification.
 
2012-08-21 07:06:05 AM  
Wow, I mean, wow.. the world sure is a better place for having James Robison around. You mean we couldn't have gotten by without another televangelist?
 
2012-08-21 07:06:20 AM  

KiplingKat872: rocky_howard: dickfreckle: And so I know it happens, and yet even from those horrible, horrible tragedies of rape, which are inexcusable and indefensible, life has come and sometimes, you know, those people are able to do extraordinary things."

I love this. He makes sure that he adequately decries rape before, in so many words, telling you that maybe you should just accept it,

Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?" "Red cabernet?" Is the use of "forcible" being used to imply that some rape is less rapey than others? What difference is there in assaulting a passed out college girl at a kegger and physically holding her down while she's awake? The end result is the same.

Please stop this. Not just you, everyone.

This kind of trivialization is what creates such confusion in the first place and gives ammo to the rape apologists since the scenario painted with such simple words is cognitively dissonant. Stop with the trivial examples or the idiotic terms as "date rape". Use language appropriately. No need to create cool terms or sound-bytes to be repeated ad nauseam.

"Date rape" just perpetuates both the idea that "hey, it was a date, I should have gotten mine" and the "omg I kinda didn't want to do this guy, but I did and now I regret it." It's way too ambiguous and light a term for anyone to take seriously. She was forced, she was drugged, none of this cutesy terms.

Ditto for the "passed out girl at a kegger". Has that actually happened?
...


Yes, it actually happens. It happened to somebody I know back in school. The rapist was the older brother of one of our classmates. But for the record, talking about people who sexually assault drunk or drugged victims does not trivialize rape in any way.

In case you weren't aware, one of America's most notorious rapists in recent times was a filthy-rich trust fund baby, who drugged his victims and videotaped them while he was raping them. Link
 
2012-08-21 07:08:37 AM  
I'm getting a kick out of this thread, because this morning I had a legitimate crepe.

It was delicious.
 
2012-08-21 07:08:39 AM  
Whoops, that was supposed to be for rocky_howard, I quoted the wrong comment. Sorry, K.K.
 
2012-08-21 07:09:07 AM  
prepareformass.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-21 07:10:21 AM  

dickfreckle: And so I know it happens, and yet even from those horrible, horrible tragedies of rape, which are inexcusable and indefensible, life has come and sometimes, you know, those people are able to do extraordinary things."

I love this. He makes sure that he adequately decries rape before, in so many words, telling you that maybe you should just accept it,

Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?" "Red cabernet?" Is the use of "forcible" being used to imply that some rape is less rapey than others? What difference is there in assaulting a passed out college girl at a kegger and physically holding her down while she's awake? The end result is the same.


The difference is that some of them truly believe the passed out girl was 'asking' for it by drinking and passing out, because boys cannot help themselves. In fact, even if she was drugged without her knowledge, she was still 'asking' for it because she was going out to a party- instead of staying at home or only going out while escorted by a male such as a trustworthy christian boyfriend or family member, etc. They believe women who leave the home and try to interact with the world at large on their own are only getting what they deserve when they encroach on the territory of men, they should know better and men shouldn't be held responsible for what happens when women tempt them.
 
2012-08-21 07:11:59 AM  

drayno76: [cdn.hometheaterforum.com image 540x408]


It's not our fault they won't shut up about rape.
 
2012-08-21 07:16:00 AM  

Wittenberg Dropout: Wait, I guess I wasn't following too closely but, what type of rape is the one that creates the extraordinary people? Is that the forcible type or just the normal one... I gotta know since I plan on having all my children growing up with extraordinary abilities!

-- Professor X


the forcible type cannot get you pregnant. or so the GOP tells everyone.
only sluts who beg for it get pregnant.
 
2012-08-21 07:16:42 AM  
Jesus wasn't the only God born as a result of rape, there were others who were the result of Gods raping people.

If you read through lots of mytholgies, God rape is pretty common, as is devil rape and ghost rape.
 
2012-08-21 07:17:22 AM  

thamike: Satanic_Hamster: So.... He's saying go out and rape some biatches, right?

For Jesus.


God's PlanTM

Mysterious ways, all that.
 
2012-08-21 07:18:23 AM  

KiplingKat872: I guess you were asleep through all the GHB/Rohypnol drug rapes.


Keep on point. Nobody's talking about that. And I mentioned Rohypnol first than anyone on this thread and it's obviously rape.

Yes, it does happen. No, it does not trivialize rape.

Yes, the term "date rape" trivializes rape. Also, isn't it ironic that we have a whole thread of people complaining and adverb/adjective being used to differentiate rape, yet you insist on doing that?

There's no such thing as date rape. There's just rape. The term "date rape" is trivializing and euphemistic. It also provides rapists with an argument (albeit a weak one), while if you only used "rape" they'd have nothing to get a hold of.

Speaking as a rape survivor, I tend to find the people who use that phrase, "trivializing rape," are usually trying to excuse some scenario or accuse the victims of lying. What truly trivializes rape is people who try to excuse it or blame the victims.

Yeah, I'm sorry you got raped, but your accusations against me are inconsequential and a logical fallacy. Being raped doesn't excuse you from being wrong.
 
2012-08-21 07:18:33 AM  
cinerarium.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-21 07:18:35 AM  
www.ratemymotivational.com

Bonus:
If you GIS 'rape' and 'Japan', you get this gem.
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-21 07:20:04 AM  

dickfreckle: Did you miss the part where I stated that there's no difference between raping someone who is passed out (or drugged) and forcibly holding the victim down? I wasn't trivializing anything; merely pointing out that rape is rape, and using words like "forcible" to further cloud the issue seems stupid.


Sorry, I didn't meant to say you were doing it consciously. I just think the term "date rape" is trivializing and mitigating (from the rapist pov).
 
2012-08-21 07:23:27 AM  

cc_rider: Yes, it actually happens. It happened to somebody I know back in school. The rapist was the older brother of one of our classmates. But for the record, talking about people who sexually assault drunk or drugged victims does not trivialize rape in any way.

In case you weren't aware, one of America's most notorious rapists in recent times was a filthy-rich trust fund baby, who drugged his victims and videotaped them while he was raping them. Link


Sorry, I'm not American so I may not be up to date on what happens on who. I find it disgusting that such things happen and are, apparently, so commonplace. I asked because I just can't fathom something like that happening systematically. Like I said, yeah, I realize someone out there must have done it, just didn't know it was so prevalent. It's like, wow, people really do that?
 
2012-08-21 07:25:29 AM  
2 Comments:

1. First, if anything, attempting to use "forcible rape" as the distinction that absolves a woman of moral responsibility is worse than Akin's "legitimate rape" comment, not better.

2. "Lots of great people were born as the result of rape" it the kind of statement that makes me wonder if Mike Hucklabee has ever so much as read a Wikipedia article on moral philosophy. He is literally attempting to argue that something is a moral good because it (in some cases) produced a situation which he finds desirable. You can use the exact same argument to argue that the American Indian genocide was a good thing because there's some good restaurants in Missouri now.

Making people suffer because of the potential of potential people is not good policy - in multiple contexts.
 
2012-08-21 07:25:53 AM  

Mega Steve: dletter: Burn_The_Plows: Biological Ali: You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.

SHE WAS COMING RIGHT AT ME!!

And it was my only weapon!


PHANTOM SPACEMAN!


MegaSteve just joined the ranks of Pocket Ninja, Guntram Shatterhand, and Weaver in "awesome green"
 
2012-08-21 07:27:38 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: argue that the American Indian genocide was a good thing because there's some good restaurants in Missouri now.


Hmm, Kansas City DOES have some great BBQ. Just Sayin.
 
2012-08-21 07:29:58 AM  
Mike Huckabee and those who are defending that moron Akin needs to die in a fire. Disgusting, subhuman, pieces of shait.
 
2012-08-21 07:31:28 AM  
I used to play bass for Product of Rape. We were big in the 90s.
 
2012-08-21 07:33:00 AM  
While some farkers may technically be correct regarding the different types of rape under the law, I think the bigger issue is that some Republicans are trying to spin the comments so they don't sound as bad.

If Akin doesn't drop out, then they are stuck with him as a candidate (I believe they have an option to replace if he drops out today.) Many Republicans are trying to distance themselves from him but if he doesn't drop out and loses, they lose a seat.

The Republican party's recent return to much more conservative values combined with their already existing views on women's reproductive rights makes them appear anti-women.

Trying to qualify rape instead of stating it's bad along with trying to spin it as "Sorry you were raped but that rape baby may be a great person some day" doesn't make them look good.
 
2012-08-21 07:34:21 AM  
These are the people that spit on "San Francisco values".

Blessed are the rapists, for they give us joyous rape babies.
 
2012-08-21 07:35:06 AM  

rocky_howard: cc_rider: Yes, it actually happens. It happened to somebody I know back in school. The rapist was the older brother of one of our classmates. But for the record, talking about people who sexually assault drunk or drugged victims does not trivialize rape in any way.

In case you weren't aware, one of America's most notorious rapists in recent times was a filthy-rich trust fund baby, who drugged his victims and videotaped them while he was raping them. Link

Sorry, I'm not American so I may not be up to date on what happens on who. I find it disgusting that such things happen and are, apparently, so commonplace. I asked because I just can't fathom something like that happening systematically. Like I said, yeah, I realize someone out there must have done it, just didn't know it was so prevalent. It's like, wow, people really do that?


I guess I misunderstood your objection was to the term "date rape". But yes, these things happen and they are trivialized a lot more often than people would care to admit. Sadly, there are too many people out there like these jerk-off politicians, who still buy into the "blame-the-victim" mentality.
 
2012-08-21 07:35:17 AM  

Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.


Ugh...

GF asked me about the other schmuck last night with his "pregnancy from rape can be avoided" comment. We were discussing the rampant stupidity of it, and playing devil's advocate (as some species actually do have this ability; but humans... not so much).

Total conversation time - less than 30 seconds.

Decision - candidate could probably use a lobotomy for the benefit of all those around him

Gf is MUCH further to the right than most people. She's voting democrat on most issues and candidates this election. Think that about says it all regarding the GOP over the past decade.
 
2012-08-21 07:36:08 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: "Lots of great people were born as the result of rape" it the kind of statement that makes me wonder if Mike Hucklabee has ever so much as read a Wikipedia article on moral philosophy. He is literally attempting to argue that something is a moral good because it (in some cases) produced a situation which he finds desirable. You can use the exact same argument to argue that the American Indian genocide was a good thing because there's some good restaurants in Missouri now.

Making people suffer because of the potential of potential people is not good policy - in multiple contexts.


Explained better than I could have possibly achieved, so ^THIS^
 
2012-08-21 07:37:07 AM  
The amazing thing is how many of the Republican Party are coming out to defend this guy. Okay, it's Hickabee and the Chick-Fil-A people, but really? Are we at the point in the white male insecurity tour that they're justifying rape now?
 
2012-08-21 07:37:43 AM  
Chastity belts are the answer!
If a woman does not want to be raped she should be wearing a chastity belt. Only her husband or father (if she is not married) should have the key. This would stop her from getting pregnant during a rape. If she is not wearing a chastity belt then it must have been an illegitimate rape?

Will they be handing out chastity belts at the RNC? or do they not care about their women?
 
2012-08-21 07:40:34 AM  
Can a tax return be raped?
That would explain why Mittens is protecting them.
 
2012-08-21 07:45:34 AM  

MythDragon: Bonus:
If you GIS 'rape' and 'Japan', you get this gem.
3.bp.blogspot.com



The green vegetable in the back of the octopi is a stalk of rape flower.

Don't know what rape flower is? Look into what "canola" really means. It will blow your mind. Also, you'll finally understand why there's 40lbs of it a box.
 
2012-08-21 07:46:35 AM  

Karac: anyone who sexts is an idiot


the fark is this shiat
 
2012-08-21 07:46:41 AM  
The whole "forcible rape" (legitimate rape according to Akin) is a way to ban abortion. Akin, Ryan and many other GOP Reps all cosponsored a bill to ban abortion except in cases of forcible rape. However, since Akin and others claim that you can't get pregnant from forcible rape, then all abortions are illegal (since if you're pregnant, it wasn't "real, legitimate rape").

His views are reprehensible - but he he can distract you long enough, his views will be the law of the land. He's not just a loon, he's a loon with legislative authority.
 
2012-08-21 07:53:31 AM  

Private_Citizen: The whole "forcible rape" (legitimate rape according to Akin) is a way to ban abortion. Akin, Ryan and many other GOP Reps all cosponsored a bill to ban abortion except in cases of forcible rape. However, since Akin and others claim that you can't get pregnant from forcible rape, then all abortions are illegal (since if you're pregnant, it wasn't "real, legitimate rape").

His views are reprehensible - but he he can distract you long enough, his views will be the law of the land. He's not just a loon, he's a loon with legislative authority.


He's a loon whose views are held by the current Republican VP nominee, who was handpicked by their Presidential candidate. Which means that the Republicans want to reduce women's rights to a historical footnote. This alone shows just how farked the Republicans really are. At this point, we should probably start considering immigrating women out of red states because this behavior is inexcusable.
 
2012-08-21 08:00:08 AM  
Rape has killed some extraordinary people.
 
2012-08-21 08:03:20 AM  
Dropping atomic bombs on Japan gave us some extraordinary scientific and philosophical insight. So let's get back to it. HUP HUP
 
2012-08-21 08:04:05 AM  
The more you rape,the more you reap.
 
2012-08-21 08:07:49 AM  

Irving Maimway: And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape??


At the risk of sounding like I agree with these morons, I think there is a distinction in the public mind between "consensual sex" between an 18 and a 15 year old vs. having sex with a girl after you both got plastered at a party vs. beating a woman and forcibly penetrating her and leaving her for dead in an alley.

All of those are rape under various definitions, but they're not the same flavor of crime.

The galling thing was not that Akin used the term "legitimate rape," so much as he implied that if you're pregnant it's because you didn't do enough to fight off your rapist and you must have really wanted it (you slut). Given that the standard actual (vs. stated) justification for banning abortion in this country is that it punishes sluts - that's why all but the staunchest opponents would allow abortion in the cases of rape or incest - what Akin was doing was blaming the victims. If you got pregnant after you got raped, you must have kinda liked it or you would have struggled and your body would have rejected the pregnancy... slut.
 
2012-08-21 08:13:17 AM  
Could somebody explain to me again why I'm supposed to think the republicans have any respect for women or minorities when every time one of them says something insanely idiotic and offensive in regards to one of those two groups a whole bunch of others come out and say "well, yea, that was bad, but...."?

Normal, well-adjusted decent people don't come out and say "well, sure, he thinks one of the humors of the female body is anti-spermicidal and it sure sounds like the implication was that a rape victim who gets pregnant wasn't really raped, BUT sometimes awesome people are born after a rape!"

That's not normal. That's just another small window into the minds of people who think violence against women isn't really much different than slamming a door when you're mad.
 
2012-08-21 08:15:12 AM  

rocky_howard: KiplingKat872: I guess you were asleep through all the GHB/Rohypnol drug rapes.

Keep on point. Nobody's talking about that. And I mentioned Rohypnol first than anyone on this thread and it's obviously rape.

Yes, it does happen. No, it does not trivialize rape.

Yes, the term "date rape" trivializes rape. Also, isn't it ironic that we have a whole thread of people complaining and adverb/adjective being used to differentiate rape, yet you insist on doing that?

There's no such thing as date rape. There's just rape. The term "date rape" is trivializing and euphemistic. It also provides rapists with an argument (albeit a weak one), while if you only used "rape" they'd have nothing to get a hold of.

Speaking as a rape survivor, I tend to find the people who use that phrase, "trivializing rape," are usually trying to excuse some scenario or accuse the victims of lying. What truly trivializes rape is people who try to excuse it or blame the victims.

Yeah, I'm sorry you got raped, but your accusations against me are inconsequential and a logical fallacy. Being raped doesn't excuse you from being wrong.


I agree with you about the term "date rape" being trivializing, however you did make a ridiculous assertion that "raping girls passed out at a kegger" did not really happen.

It does. And it is rape.
 
2012-08-21 08:17:04 AM  

WorldCitizen: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.


historically, its only "forcible" rape if the woman is battered, and vocally fought against the attaker. Court cases would hinge on whether or not the woman fought "enough."

thats why the whole "no means no" campaign is such a big deal. it's supposed to teach that if she says no AT ALL, thats enough.
 
2012-08-21 08:17:13 AM  
"Forcible" rape. Huckabee, you're an asshole.
 
2012-08-21 08:17:41 AM  

Irving Maimway: And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.


That's exactly what it is. Forceable rape is when "respectable" or ugly women get raped. Everything else is sluts asking for it and boys being boys.
 
2012-08-21 08:18:01 AM  

KiplingKat872: I agree with you about the term "date rape" being trivializing


Cool.

however you did make a ridiculous assertion that "raping girls passed out at a kegger" did not really happen.

Hey, that's not what I said, now keep reading my posts to find the answer to that :)

*fistbump*
 
2012-08-21 08:18:28 AM  

fusillade762: I wonder what their stance on this would be if rape always produced gay babies?


Well, they can't be aborted; that would be a sin. So you have to give birth, then immediately put the kid in a "straight education camp" so he can learn to be attracted to girls like a "normal" person.

Then, when he's a teenager and starting to like girls, make him take virginity and anti-masturbation pledges. Later in college, he'll be bursting with God's love - so much that he'll grab he first girl he sees at a frat party, non-forcibly rape her in accordance with God's Plan, and impregnate her with another extraordinary Christian Warrior.
 
2012-08-21 08:18:45 AM  
cache.gawkerassets.com

Was it rape or rape rape?
 
2012-08-21 08:19:09 AM  
Clicked the link, hoping he would have said "Hey, don't think that just because the baby came from rape it can't be born and be awesome. Do what you feel is right, just know the baby had nothing to do with how it was created.

Nope. "forceable rape" wagrahbaleble.

*sigh*
 
2012-08-21 08:23:00 AM  

indylaw:
The galling thing was not that Akin used the term "legitimate rape," so much as he implied that if you're pregnant it's because you didn't do enough to fight off your rapist and you must have really wanted it (you slut). Given that the standard actual (vs. stated) justification for banning abortion in this country is that it punishes sluts - that's why all but the staunchest opponents would allow abortion in the cases of rape or incest - what Akin was doing was blaming the victims. If you got pregnant after you got raped, you must have kinda liked it or you would have struggled and your body would have rejected the pregnancy... slut.


After watching Rachel Maddow talk about this and walk through the history of this position, it's not the minority in the GOP anymore. They're all about punishing sluts and the gays. Barry Goldwater and Ike are spinning in their graves.
 
2012-08-21 08:27:07 AM  

slayer199: These clowns need to STFU...they're clearly insane.


Mitt Romney has a posse.
 
2012-08-21 08:29:12 AM  

dletter: Hey GOP..... I'm trying to run a campaign here... you think you can go 2 days without talking about rape? Thanks.


"Now, where we're we? Oh ...

"As I was saying, Obama's tax plan is a job-killer. Under his plan, millions of Americans will have to fire 3-4 of their butlers, and scale down to only 2 new Bentleys a week ..."
 
2012-08-21 08:30:58 AM  

WorldCitizen: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.


Too bad there isn't a legal distinction for statutory rape that would handle this rigamarole. Oh well. We'll have to leave the definitions in the hands of pundits. That sucks.
 
2012-08-21 08:31:14 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So society is better off if people keep on raping?


That's what Mike said.

Since he is a leader we should all do as he says.

I am building a rape kit now.

Duct tape.... check
Rope.... check
Van down by the river .... check
 
2012-08-21 08:32:09 AM  

Cpl.D: This cocksucker is literally trying to redefine reality in order to force his abhorrent version of morality through legislation.


You say it like it's an uncommon thing.

This same bullshiat has been around since some poor schlub in the mason's guild had Hamurabi march into his office and and say "Now take these rules down."

The difference between this law and most other laws is that this guy is proposing an especially stupid law. But the methodolgy he's using is very orthodox. How else do you think we got all the anti-smoking laws passed and yet you can still buy incense or SUVs legally?


Never assume that just because someone you dislike does something you dislike that they are automatically using a faulty strategy. That's how battles are lost and dicks like this guy get their nasty bills passed.
 
2012-08-21 08:32:34 AM  

Cpl.D: This cocksucker is literally trying to redefine reality in order to force his abhorrent version of morality through legislation.


And oddly, the entire GOP seems to be working to help him do just that.
 
2012-08-21 08:33:59 AM  
Remember that whole, "war on women" thing a while back, and how all the Farkcon shills were like, "NO THERE ISN'T! SHUT UP! IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYWAY! IT'S ONLY SPRING!!"

Thanks, Todd Akin, for bringing that back into the news again. In August. With the election only 3 months away.
 
2012-08-21 08:35:37 AM  
what if the rape rate goes up in Missouri because of his comments. hey dudes, lets go a rapin, the biatch wont get pregnant!
 
2012-08-21 08:35:55 AM  
if you ever find yourself arguing the merits of rape, something is very wrong with your line of thinking
 
2012-08-21 08:36:18 AM  

Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.


Pretty much. It seems like they view stuff like statutory rape or where the victim was incapacitated as situations where the victim is at fault. That is pretty sickening. There will be no exceptions for rape in the GOP platform either meaning as a party they agree no matter what their talking heads and candidates say.

You would think that when an official party stance gets explained in non-legalese as it did by Todd Akin and it gains such universal scorn, it might be time to change it. Not the GOP.
 
2012-08-21 08:37:20 AM  
Oh thank god I've been in the middle of nowhere for the past couple days and only just read about this...
 
2012-08-21 08:37:23 AM  

GAT_00: Well, I'm pretty sure Jesus qualifies as a child of rape under any definition of the word. I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.


Yeah, but have you seen how she dressed? She was totally asking for it.
 
2012-08-21 08:38:33 AM  
Mike Huckabee is just jealous that he couldn't give birth to those extraordinary people himself. You women should consider yourself lucky that you have that opportunity.
 
2012-08-21 08:38:45 AM  

libranoelrose: DjangoStonereaver: [www.islamicinvitationturkey.com image 460x288]

Approves.

/This is what the Tea Party Taliban wants America to become.

Does that guy know that pinky rings are a sign of the homosexuals?


3.bp.blogspot.com  What'd you say?
 
2012-08-21 08:38:46 AM  
Even as a Republican working for the USG in the political arena, I will say this was just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard a politician say, ever. And I mean publicly or privately. It's just even worse that he said it publicly. And worse yet that Huckabee has jumped on board with his own crazy-ass brand of approval. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Romney camp right about now. But there's a lot of "why don't Republicans chastise these comments!!!! RAWR!!!" Well, take a look through the twitter feeds, the blogosphere, hell even the WSJ today had an article with handfulls of Republicans telling Akin to get the f*ck out kindly step aside. I don't care what party you belong to, any and all reasonable human beings will very quickly let you know just how wrong you can be when it comes to this subject. And they have.
 
2012-08-21 08:41:28 AM  
America, in 2012, has had representatives of a major party defend rape and the reprehensible comments made about it by an ignorant moron.

They are defending rape. And even worse, there is a large number of people ready to defend it with them. Just like the stupid chicken idiot, these morons will make asses of themselves. fark them, fark Huckabee and fark the Republican party. Pieces of shiat dressed as humans.
 
2012-08-21 08:41:43 AM  

doglover: MythDragon: Bonus:
If you GIS 'rape' and 'Japan', you get this gem.
3.bp.blogspot.com


The green vegetable in the back of the octopi is a stalk of rape flower.

Don't know what rape flower is? Look into what "canola" really means. It will blow your mind. Also, you'll finally understand why there's 40lbs of it a box.


Interesting.
To YOU, good sir, for advancing our knowledge. I am humbled by you.

chzgifs.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-21 08:41:47 AM  

heavymetal: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Pretty much. It seems like they view stuff like statutory rape or where the victim was incapacitated as situations where the victim is at fault. That is pretty sickening. There will be no exceptions for rape in the GOP platform either meaning as a party they agree no matter what their talking heads and candidates say.

You would think that when an official party stance gets explained in non-legalese as it did by Todd Akin and it gains such universal scorn, it might be time to change it. Not the GOP.


They've lost control of their message aka The NarrativeTM. I was listening to NPR last week, and there was a woman on there explaining why there's no liberal Ayn Rand. The reasons are apparent to most of us here probably, but the short version is that conservatives spent decades creating an intricate, reinforced narrative they could use to gain traction. Now that message is a monster and it's stomped off into the village.
 
2012-08-21 08:43:05 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: Even as a Republican working for the USG in the political arena, I will say this was just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard a politician say, ever. And I mean publicly or privately. It's just even worse that he said it publicly. And worse yet that Huckabee has jumped on board with his own crazy-ass brand of approval. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Romney camp right about now. But there's a lot of "why don't Republicans chastise these comments!!!! RAWR!!!" Well, take a look through the twitter feeds, the blogosphere, hell even the WSJ today had an article with handfulls of Republicans telling Akin to get the f*ck out kindly step aside. I don't care what party you belong to, any and all reasonable human beings will very quickly let you know just how wrong you can be when it comes to this subject. And they have.


You are correct. And I do appreciate that.
 
2012-08-21 08:44:06 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

Take it easy, GOP. Why don't you sit this next one out, stop talking for a while.
 
2012-08-21 08:45:09 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: Even as a Republican working for the USG in the political arena, I will say this was just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard a politician say, ever.


as a dyed in the wool liberal, I laughed at him and called him a moron and thought that would be the end of it. then I see that it put Romney under the microscope and the abortion issue brought to the forefront and thought, ok, that's a bit much, until I saw that Akin and Ryan are joined at the hip, and then laughed more. anyway, thats a tldr of me saying I agree with you.
 
2012-08-21 08:46:34 AM  
Republicans are such complete pussies. When you're got former major presidential candidates, the farking current vice-presidential candidate, and damn near the entire house GOP co-signing a bill redefining what rape is, you're party has some farked up values.

The second these pussies get called on it, they slither away and whine about "gotcha journalism." Own this shiat you pussies. Moreso for all your farking idiots that continue to vote GOP because of jesus or some other shiat.

Pussies. Every single one of you.
 
2012-08-21 08:50:08 AM  
Now if the rapist would just marry the victim and be a father to the rape baby like the bible says he's supposed to, all will be well.
 
2012-08-21 08:50:29 AM  
I am seriously loving how this keeps coming back up, and it's not like us liberals are doing it. The GOP just can't f*cking help but say stupid sh*t about sex. Keep at it, you dumbf*cks. It's only August now, I'm sure you can blow a few more, in the bag Senate and Congressional races before this is over.
 
2012-08-21 08:50:33 AM  
Fark Republicans, that is all
 
2012-08-21 08:50:37 AM  
I guess I'll just throw this out there.

Having flashbacks of a rape, or having someone even remind you of it, can send an otherwise stable person into ptsd mode. I'm shaking and stabby right now reading a damn fark thread about it. I can't even imagine the life of the "typical" person who grew up as a product of rape, but I can personally say that such product wouldn't have made it many years before it was dead and I was in prison.
 
2012-08-21 08:50:48 AM  

Private_Citizen: The whole "forcible rape" (legitimate rape according to Akin) is a way to ban abortion. Akin, Ryan and many other GOP Reps all cosponsored a bill to ban abortion except in cases of forcible rape. However, since Akin and others claim that you can't get pregnant from forcible rape, then all abortions are illegal (since if you're pregnant, it wasn't "real, legitimate rape").

His views are reprehensible - but he he can distract you long enough, his views will be the law of the land. He's not just a loon, he's a loon with legislative authority.


blessthe40oz.com
 
2012-08-21 08:51:40 AM  

Oh fer fuxsake...the little d-bag Kirk Cameron is on CNN apologizing for Akin.

HE DID NOT MISSPEAK, YOU DUMBFARK!



Hurrrrrr.
 
2012-08-21 08:51:57 AM  
Ah, farkabee. This is an old bit from 2001, but it's a great bit that shows just how stupid this guy is -- even on issues that have nothing to do with anything related to Jeebus. This longer clip sets up the joke, but you can FF to 1:50 to see the most relevant part.

Congratulations, Canada, on preserving your national igloo!
 
2012-08-21 08:52:07 AM  
I can understand and sympathize with the idea that every fetus should have a chance to grow into a successful adult but come on in the real world that just isn't a working solution.
 
2012-08-21 08:53:29 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Private_Citizen: The whole "forcible rape" (legitimate rape according to Akin) is a way to ban abortion. Akin, Ryan and many other GOP Reps all cosponsored a bill to ban abortion except in cases of forcible rape. However, since Akin and others claim that you can't get pregnant from forcible rape, then all abortions are illegal (since if you're pregnant, it wasn't "real, legitimate rape").

His views are reprehensible - but he he can distract you long enough, his views will be the law of the land. He's not just a loon, he's a loon with legislative authority.

[blessthe40oz.com image 480x347]


And that's when we lawyers come in handy.

/just sayin'
 
2012-08-21 08:54:22 AM  

untaken_name: Vodka Zombie: The concept of "forcible" rape exists only to demonstrate to the planet that you are a very stupid person who deserves to be mocked without mercy.


I agree that people who believe in so-called "date rape" are stupid and deserve to be mocked.


once the rape starts I think the date is over.
 
2012-08-21 08:55:12 AM  

verbaltoxin: They've lost control of their message aka The NarrativeTM. I was listening to NPR last week, and there was a woman on there explaining why there's no liberal Ayn Rand. The reasons are apparent to most of us here probably, but the short version is that conservatives spent decades creating an intricate, reinforced narrative they could use to gain traction. Now that message is a monster and it's stomped off into the village.


lh3.ggpht.com

That said, I think Huckabee's argument is valid. Saying ``Rape is a terrible thing but abortion would only compound what is terrible'' is much better than saying, ``Well, in some cases rape's bad, but it's rare that you'll get pregnant, so piss off if you get pregnant from rape.''
 
2012-08-21 08:55:17 AM  

Headso: I can understand and sympathize with the idea that every fetus should have a chance to grow into a successful adult but come on in the real world that just isn't a working solution.


See there's the problem right there. You have to make up a fictitious world first, then shape the facts to match your imaginary idea
 
2012-08-21 08:55:47 AM  

cc_rider: Oh fer fuxsake...the little d-bag Kirk Cameron is on CNN apologizing for Akin.

HE DID NOT MISSPEAK, YOU DUMBFARK!

Hurrrrrr.


Which means they had to get KIRK CAMERON to do it, because people within the party who matter know. They know what this, the rape bill last spring, the all-male contraceptive hearing, and all that "war on women" crap is going to cost them, and they need to get as far away from Akin as possible. That's why it's being left to guys like Huckabee and Cameron to apologize for it. They already know they're covered in sh*t and have nothing to lose. Their audience is the converted. They just need to make sure none of the rubes start saying to themselves, "Hey, wait a second...."
 
2012-08-21 08:56:05 AM  
If they get to redefine rape, I think the rest of us should redefine spitting on them anytime they're in public as not 'legitimate' assault.

In fact, not only should it be totally legal to spit on Huckabee and Akin, but it should be encouraged. All right thinking Americans, hawk your loogies for freedom!
 
2012-08-21 08:56:43 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: ModernPrimitive01: Private_Citizen: The whole "forcible rape" (legitimate rape according to Akin) is a way to ban abortion. Akin, Ryan and many other GOP Reps all cosponsored a bill to ban abortion except in cases of forcible rape. However, since Akin and others claim that you can't get pregnant from forcible rape, then all abortions are illegal (since if you're pregnant, it wasn't "real, legitimate rape").

His views are reprehensible - but he he can distract you long enough, his views will be the law of the land. He's not just a loon, he's a loon with legislative authority.

[blessthe40oz.com image 480x347]

And that's when we lawyers come in handy.

/just sayin'


I hate villainous Republicans as much as the next guy, but siding with lawyers? That's just not something I can bring myself to do
 
2012-08-21 08:59:08 AM  

verbaltoxin: cc_rider: Oh fer fuxsake...the little d-bag Kirk Cameron is on CNN apologizing for Akin.

HE DID NOT MISSPEAK, YOU DUMBFARK!

Hurrrrrr.

Which means they had to get KIRK CAMERON to do it, because people within the party who matter know. They know what this, the rape bill last spring, the all-male contraceptive hearing, and all that "war on women" crap is going to cost them, and they need to get as far away from Akin as possible. That's why it's being left to guys like Huckabee and Cameron to apologize for it. They already know they're covered in sh*t and have nothing to lose. Their audience is the converted. They just need to make sure none of the rubes start saying to themselves, "Hey, wait a second...."


But no, they're not rubes. My dad, many of my longtime friends, they're conservative as hell, and they're smart as hell. But they were there for me when that happened, and they will not tolerate this. They have already started saying, "Hey, wait a second..." Or more like "What the fark?"
 
2012-08-21 09:00:28 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Salt Lick Steady: ModernPrimitive01: Private_Citizen: The whole "forcible rape" (legitimate rape according to Akin) is a way to ban abortion. Akin, Ryan and many other GOP Reps all cosponsored a bill to ban abortion except in cases of forcible rape. However, since Akin and others claim that you can't get pregnant from forcible rape, then all abortions are illegal (since if you're pregnant, it wasn't "real, legitimate rape").

His views are reprehensible - but he he can distract you long enough, his views will be the law of the land. He's not just a loon, he's a loon with legislative authority.

[blessthe40oz.com image 480x347]

And that's when we lawyers come in handy.

/just sayin'

I hate villainous Republicans as much as the next guy, but siding with lawyers? That's just not something I can bring myself to do


hah. "First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers!"

/not familiar with me are ya?
 
2012-08-21 09:01:27 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: I guess I'll just throw this out there.

Having flashbacks of a rape, or having someone even remind you of it, can send an otherwise stable person into ptsd mode. I'm shaking and stabby right now reading a damn fark thread about it. I can't even imagine the life of the "typical" person who grew up as a product of rape, but I can personally say that such product wouldn't have made it many years before it was dead and I was in prison.

 


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-21 09:03:29 AM  

doglover: Salt Lick Steady: I guess I'll just throw this out there.

Having flashbacks of a rape, or having someone even remind you of it, can send an otherwise stable person into ptsd mode. I'm shaking and stabby right now reading a damn fark thread about it. I can't even imagine the life of the "typical" person who grew up as a product of rape, but I can personally say that such product wouldn't have made it many years before it was dead and I was in prison. 


[25.media.tumblr.com image 624x317]


ah that's why I love you. I went from "Kill now" to "laughing my ass off" in a moment

/thanks :)
 
2012-08-21 09:04:11 AM  
WorldCitizen: "I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape."

On day 2 after a national media firestorm over the issue, there's really no room for playing the "misspoke" card anymore, nor is there any call to infer generous "interpretations" that turn offensive, regressive bullshiat into something slightly less offensive, regressive and bullshiat.

If these two ass-clowns were trying to say "I think abortion should be legal in most cases of rape, but I don't think the circumstances of statutory rape justify it." there should be a precise direct quote we can point to. And another quote to specify that that's the only class of 'rape' they're trying to exempt. Absent quotes to that effect, there's absolutely no reason to think that they're being any less regressive than they really are.

It is quite clear at this point that they're trying -- again -- to draw some distinction between their concept of 'rape' and their concept of 'rape rape'. And given that their party and core constituency has a long and well-documented history of supporting and repeating that sort of bullshiat ('she was askin for it', 'date-rape is just regret', 'feminists cry rape because they hate men', etc.), it's thoroughly unsurprising and there really shouldn't have been any polite interpretations offered *the first time*.
 
2012-08-21 09:07:08 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: doglover: Salt Lick Steady: I guess I'll just throw this out there.

Having flashbacks of a rape, or having someone even remind you of it, can send an otherwise stable person into ptsd mode. I'm shaking and stabby right now reading a damn fark thread about it. I can't even imagine the life of the "typical" person who grew up as a product of rape, but I can personally say that such product wouldn't have made it many years before it was dead and I was in prison. 


[25.media.tumblr.com image 624x317]

ah that's why I love you. I went from "Kill now" to "laughing my ass off" in a moment

/thanks :)


You took it in a totally different direction that I would have expected.
 
2012-08-21 09:07:53 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: verbaltoxin: cc_rider: Oh fer fuxsake...the little d-bag Kirk Cameron is on CNN apologizing for Akin.

HE DID NOT MISSPEAK, YOU DUMBFARK!

Hurrrrrr.

Which means they had to get KIRK CAMERON to do it, because people within the party who matter know. They know what this, the rape bill last spring, the all-male contraceptive hearing, and all that "war on women" crap is going to cost them, and they need to get as far away from Akin as possible. That's why it's being left to guys like Huckabee and Cameron to apologize for it. They already know they're covered in sh*t and have nothing to lose. Their audience is the converted. They just need to make sure none of the rubes start saying to themselves, "Hey, wait a second...."

But no, they're not rubes. My dad, many of my longtime friends, they're conservative as hell, and they're smart as hell. But they were there for me when that happened, and they will not tolerate this. They have already started saying, "Hey, wait a second..." Or more like "What the fark?"


But those are just the people you know, not the masses living in Bible-stenched Missouri, where there's a Baptist church every few blocks in the Ozarks, Catholic ones every few blocks in the cities, and Evangelical ones all over the northern portion of the state.

Call me a cynic, but I grew up there and I saw these folks at work everyday. If anything, be hopeful they have to send people out to keep the converted in line. If more of them were like your dad, the GOP would be in for a world of hurt not just this fall, but many elections after.

It's like how the right was surprised at the backlash coming from women in the party back when the whole, forcible rape bill first came up, and Congress was having hearing on the pill like it was 1955 again. They didn't understand how even some conservative women have their limits with authoritarianism, and those women remembered what it felt like to be able to have some protection for the first time, and they thought of their daughters and granddaughters, and realized what the men were trying to do. So what did the GOP do? They had to dredge up Sarah Palin, Dana Loesch and Michelle Bachmann to try and get the true believin' ladies to pipe down, lest this whole election becomes a referendum on reproductive rights - a fight the GOP knows they can't win, no matter how much PAC money gets spent.

Funny thing is, they got so close to making it fade from view, and they were starting to craft a somewhat effective message against Obama and the economy. Sure it was reality-defying still, for the economy is recovering, albeit slowly, but at least it played to Republican strengths, because hey, conservatives love money, and they hate taxes.

Then Todd Akin had to open his yapper on the local news, and it went viral. He might not have just blown his chances at a Senate seat here, is what I'm saying.
 
2012-08-21 09:07:56 AM  

Garaba: Fark Republicans, that is all


Now, would that be rape, or would it be rape rape?
 
2012-08-21 09:07:56 AM  
Don't forget that Mike Huckabee was on of the first major speakers announced for the Republican National Convention.

This is the chosen face of the modern Republican Party. These are the views they choose to promote.
 
2012-08-21 09:09:27 AM  

doglover: MythDragon: Bonus:
If you GIS 'rape' and 'Japan', you get this gem.
3.bp.blogspot.com


The green vegetable in the back of the octopi is a stalk of rape flower.

Don't know what rape flower is? Look into what "canola" really means. It will blow your mind. Also, you'll finally understand why there's 40lbs of it a box.


I know what a rape flower is, I wasn't even thinking about that. When I see octopus come up in a GIS for 'rape' and 'Japan' I just think it's par for the course for Japan.
 
2012-08-21 09:10:38 AM  
What is "forcible" rape? Rape is rape regardless.
 
2012-08-21 09:10:43 AM  

verbaltoxin: Salt Lick Steady: verbaltoxin: cc_rider: Oh fer fuxsake...the little d-bag Kirk Cameron is on CNN apologizing for Akin.

HE DID NOT MISSPEAK, YOU DUMBFARK!

Hurrrrrr.

Which means they had to get KIRK CAMERON to do it, because people within the party who matter know. They know what this, the rape bill last spring, the all-male contraceptive hearing, and all that "war on women" crap is going to cost them, and they need to get as far away from Akin as possible. That's why it's being left to guys like Huckabee and Cameron to apologize for it. They already know they're covered in sh*t and have nothing to lose. Their audience is the converted. They just need to make sure none of the rubes start saying to themselves, "Hey, wait a second...."

But no, they're not rubes. My dad, many of my longtime friends, they're conservative as hell, and they're smart as hell. But they were there for me when that happened, and they will not tolerate this. They have already started saying, "Hey, wait a second..." Or more like "What the fark?"

But those are just the people you know, not the masses living in Bible-stenched Missouri, where there's a Baptist church every few blocks in the Ozarks, Catholic ones every few blocks in the cities, and Evangelical ones all over the northern portion of the state.

Call me a cynic, but I grew up there and I saw these folks at work everyday. If anything, be hopeful they have to send people out to keep the converted in line. If more of them were like your dad, the GOP would be in for a world of hurt not just this fall, but many elections after.

It's like how the right was surprised at the backlash coming from women in the party back when the whole, forcible rape bill first came up, and Congress was having hearing on the pill like it was 1955 again. They didn't understand how even some conservative women have their limits with authoritarianism, and those women remembered what it felt like to be able to have some protection for the first time, and they ...


That was beautifully said. I live in the Bible belt, but still...
 
2012-08-21 09:10:51 AM  

verbaltoxin: heavymetal: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Pretty much. It seems like they view stuff like statutory rape or where the victim was incapacitated as situations where the victim is at fault. That is pretty sickening. There will be no exceptions for rape in the GOP platform either meaning as a party they agree no matter what their talking heads and candidates say.

You would think that when an official party stance gets explained in non-legalese as it did by Todd Akin and it gains such universal scorn, it might be time to change it. Not the GOP.

They've lost control of their message aka The NarrativeTM. I was listening to NPR last week, and there was a woman on there explaining why there's no liberal Ayn Rand. The reasons are apparent to most of us here probably, but the short version is that conservatives spent decades creating an intricate, reinforced narrative they could use to gain traction. Now that message is a monster and it's stomped off into the village.


You are right and it is interesting watching the mainstream GOP try to slay the beast they created. One big problem is in creating that narrative they formed an "unholy alliance" with people who basically agree with Todd Akin and depend on that vote in order to win elections.
 
2012-08-21 09:11:56 AM  

doglover: Salt Lick Steady: doglover: Salt Lick Steady: I guess I'll just throw this out there.

Having flashbacks of a rape, or having someone even remind you of it, can send an otherwise stable person into ptsd mode. I'm shaking and stabby right now reading a damn fark thread about it. I can't even imagine the life of the "typical" person who grew up as a product of rape, but I can personally say that such product wouldn't have made it many years before it was dead and I was in prison. 


[25.media.tumblr.com image 624x317]

ah that's why I love you. I went from "Kill now" to "laughing my ass off" in a moment

/thanks :)

You took it in a totally different direction that I would have expected.


In what respect, doglover?
 
2012-08-21 09:12:46 AM  

Makh: Legitimate rape: It's a pretty effective birth control. No need for condoms. On the rare chance it works, it produces wonderful people.


Two kids is enough for us so my wife and I practice legitimate rape as our form of birth control.
 
2012-08-21 09:17:22 AM  
Rapepublicans?
 
2012-08-21 09:17:23 AM  

Biological Ali: rocky_howard: Are you dense? There's also variations on homicide:

That's because "homicide" is a very broad term that can refer to plenty of things that aren't crimes at all - in contrast with rape, which is by definition a crime. You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.


Don't forget Florida's "Stand Your Ground" protections on raping.
 
2012-08-21 09:17:39 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: In what respect, doglover?


I wasn't expecting a customer for the Die CoTM Baby Catapult* by the end of the post. Maybe something more passive aggressive or mournful.


*Not for babies.
 
2012-08-21 09:19:32 AM  

doglover: Salt Lick Steady: In what respect, doglover?

I wasn't expecting a customer for the Die CoTM Baby Catapult* by the end of the post. Maybe something more passive aggressive or mournful.


*Not for babies.


Oh my god I'm crying now

/stomach... hurts
 
2012-08-21 09:19:53 AM  

mrshowrules: Biological Ali: rocky_howard: Are you dense? There's also variations on homicide:

That's because "homicide" is a very broad term that can refer to plenty of things that aren't crimes at all - in contrast with rape, which is by definition a crime. You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.

Don't forget Florida's "Stand Your Ground" protections on raping.


As in "she was giving me slutty looks, so I raped her in self defense"?
 
2012-08-21 09:19:59 AM  

indylaw: At the risk of sounding like I agree with these morons, I think there is a distinction in the public mind between "consensual sex" between an 18 and a 15 year old vs. having sex with a girl after you both got plastered at a party vs. beating a woman and forcibly penetrating her and leaving her for dead in an alley.


The thing is, except for statutory rape (which is a whole different topic), rape is rape. Turn it around, and you have rape (what's being called "forcible rape") vs "fake rape".
But there's no distinction. Fundies like to pretend there is one because they like blaming the victim.
 
2012-08-21 09:21:16 AM  
Well clearly he's just a dog. All he knows is "ball", and "good".... And "rape".
 
2012-08-21 09:22:10 AM  

verbaltoxin: Call me a cynic, but I grew up there and I saw these folks at work everyday. If anything, be hopeful they have to send people out to keep the converted in line. If more of them were like your dad, the GOP would be in for a world of hurt not just this fall, but many elections after.

It's like how the right was surprised at the backlash coming from women in the party back when the whole, forcible rape bill first came up, and Congress was having hearing on the pill like it was 1955 again. They didn't understand how even some conservative women have their limits with authoritarianism, and those women remembered what it felt like to be able to have some protection for the first time, and they thought of their daughters and granddaughters, and realized what the men were trying to do. So what did the GOP do? They had to dredge up Sarah Palin, Dana Loesch and Michelle Bachmann to try and get the true believin' ladies to pipe down, lest this whole election becomes a referendum on reproductive rights - a fight the GOP knows they can't win, no matter how much PAC money gets spent.

Funny thing is, they got so close to making it fade from view, and they were starting to craft a somewhat effective message against Obama and the economy. Sure it was reality-defying still, for the economy is recovering, albeit slowly, but at least it played to Republican strengths, because hey, conservatives love money, and they hate taxes.

Then Todd Akin had to open his yapper on the local news, and it went viral. He might not have just blown his chances at a Senate seat here, is what I'm saying.


Just wait until they trot out that old biatch Phyllis Schlafly to apologize for Akin.

Aw hell no.. looks like she already did.

Link

Republicans: "We defend the indefensable-even if it's rape-rape!"
 
2012-08-21 09:22:19 AM  
In the comments, one poster is shocked that anyone could conceive of an illegitimate rape. I don't think our objections to the idiocy of Akin's comment should make us deny that there are absolutely instances where consensual sex has occurred and rape was claimed afterwards. The claim against the Duke Lacrosse team and Tawana Brawley come to mind, and of course there are others. This isn't really the point, the point is his completely unsupportable assertion that in the case of actual rape that a woman's body is less likely to get pregnant, so that one can determine if she consented or not based upon whether pregnancy occurred.

I think the basic idea that a zygote should be afforded the same rights as a living person to be ridiculous, but at least Huckabee is consistent if he believes the opposite. Still, you would think once a person has to justify telling a woman who was raped that she must carry the baby to term that they have lost all grasp on the matter and are purely arguing out of an attempt to be consistent with a position while ignoring the reality of it. If men could get pregnant by rape, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
 
2012-08-21 09:23:21 AM  

Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.


Back when I was married, I built a couple pair of speakers.
Whenever I finished a pair, I'd bring them in the house, hook them up and put on Aerosmith's "Sweet Emotion".
Both times, my wife (at the time) raped me, but it wasn't forcible.
Like most rapes, these went unreported.
In fact, if I'd built more speakers I might still be married.
 
2012-08-21 09:23:41 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: Even as a Republican working for the USG in the political arena, I will say this was just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard a politician say, ever. And I mean publicly or privately. It's just even worse that he said it publicly. And worse yet that Huckabee has jumped on board with his own crazy-ass brand of approval. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Romney camp right about now. But there's a lot of "why don't Republicans chastise these comments!!!! RAWR!!!" Well, take a look through the twitter feeds, the blogosphere, hell even the WSJ today had an article with handfulls of Republicans telling Akin to get the f*ck out kindly step aside. I don't care what party you belong to, any and all reasonable human beings will very quickly let you know just how wrong you can be when it comes to this subject. And they have.


What's creepy to me is that in response to this blowback, there are members of the GOP who's strategy isn't "get the fark away from this conversation as quickly as possible", but rather, "I bet we can convince these peons that we're right."

All GOP? Nope. And it's good to hear from one on that side of the fence who recognizes this for what it is. But that anyone can stand up and be all "Well, really he's kind of right if you turn your head like this and squint." is farking disgusting.

These are the assholes who think that the primary goal of being a Republican is to piss of the libs.

Mission accomplished. This conversation *legitimately* pisses me off.
 
2012-08-21 09:24:03 AM  

andrewagill: That said, I think Huckabee's argument is valid. Saying ``Rape is a terrible thing but abortion would only compound what is terrible'' is much better than saying, ``Well, in some cases rape's bad, but it's rare that you'll get pregnant, so piss off if you get pregnant from rape.''


Better, not necessarily valid. The "forcible rape" categorizing weakens it. It also neglects that there are plenty of monsters that have been born from rape, as there are from consensual sex. Ted Bundy's family believes that he was born from his abusive grandfather's incestuous relationship with Bundy's teenage mother.

The fact is someone who has been raped has had all their rights over their own body heinously violated, and now the Republicans want to legislate that for women, forever.

Fark that noise.
 
2012-08-21 09:25:31 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: The amazing thing is how many of the Republican Party are coming out to defend this guy. Okay, it's Hickabee and the Chick-Fil-A people, but really? Are we at the point in the white male insecurity tour that they're justifying rape now?


I'm going to steal that-
White Male Insecurity tour.

/band name
 
2012-08-21 09:26:12 AM  

RussianPooper: In the comments, one poster is shocked that anyone could conceive of an illegitimate rape. I don't think our objections to the idiocy of Akin's comment should make us deny that there are absolutely instances where consensual sex has occurred and rape was claimed afterwards. The claim against the Duke Lacrosse team and Tawana Brawley come to mind, and of course there are others. This isn't really the point, the point is his completely unsupportable assertion that in the case of actual rape that a woman's body is less likely to get pregnant, so that one can determine if she consented or not based upon whether pregnancy occurred.

I think the basic idea that a zygote should be afforded the same rights as a living person to be ridiculous, but at least Huckabee is consistent if he believes the opposite. Still, you would think once a person has to justify telling a woman who was raped that she must carry the baby to term that they have lost all grasp on the matter and are purely arguing out of an attempt to be consistent with a position while ignoring the reality of it. If men could get pregnant by rape, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.


I agree with you 111%.

/to think i voted for the idiot in 2008.
 
2012-08-21 09:27:08 AM  
Mike Huckabee would like to remind you that rape has created some extraordinary people

Take Jesus for example.
 
2012-08-21 09:27:43 AM  

RussianPooper: I don't think our objections to the idiocy of Akin's comment should make us deny that there are absolutely instances where consensual sex has occurred and rape was claimed afterwards.


His apology all revolves around the word "legitimate" and the religious nutters who support him are trying to make the conversation about that part of his statements. It's actually a pretty shrewd move to control the narrative.
 
2012-08-21 09:27:56 AM  
i367.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-21 09:27:59 AM  
Didn't Huckabee's son forcibly, yet lovingly, rape a basset hound?
 
2012-08-21 09:29:31 AM  

RussianPooper: If men could get pregnant by rape, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.


If men could get pregnant, the abortion debate would have been over as soon as they invented abortion.
 
2012-08-21 09:29:38 AM  
Do you know how else was the product of rape?

Hitler.
 
2012-08-21 09:29:40 AM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i367.photobucket.com image 640x532]


damnit why does fark do that? hopefully works this time.

i36.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-21 09:29:50 AM  

REO-Weedwagon: Didn't Huckabee's son forcibly, yet lovingly, rape a basset hound?


But that biatch deserved it!
 
2012-08-21 09:33:07 AM  

cc_rider: verbaltoxin: Call me a cynic, but I grew up there and I saw these folks at work everyday. If anything, be hopeful they have to send people out to keep the converted in line. If more of them were like your dad, the GOP would be in for a world of hurt not just this fall, but many elections after.

It's like how the right was surprised at the backlash coming from women in the party back when the whole, forcible rape bill first came up, and Congress was having hearing on the pill like it was 1955 again. They didn't understand how even some conservative women have their limits with authoritarianism, and those women remembered what it felt like to be able to have some protection for the first time, and they thought of their daughters and granddaughters, and realized what the men were trying to do. So what did the GOP do? They had to dredge up Sarah Palin, Dana Loesch and Michelle Bachmann to try and get the true believin' ladies to pipe down, lest this whole election becomes a referendum on reproductive rights - a fight the GOP knows they can't win, no matter how much PAC money gets spent.

Funny thing is, they got so close to making it fade from view, and they were starting to craft a somewhat effective message against Obama and the economy. Sure it was reality-defying still, for the economy is recovering, albeit slowly, but at least it played to Republican strengths, because hey, conservatives love money, and they hate taxes.

Then Todd Akin had to open his yapper on the local news, and it went viral. He might not have just blown his chances at a Senate seat here, is what I'm saying.

Just wait until they trot out that old biatch Phyllis Schlafly to apologize for Akin.

Aw hell no.. looks like she already did.

Link

Republicans: "We defend the indefensable-even if it's rape-rape!"


So far it's Kirk Cameron, Mike Huckabee and now Phyllis Schlafly. Ah and now Deadbart trooper Dana Loesch is in on the act: Link
 
2012-08-21 09:35:01 AM  

GAT_00: Well, I'm pretty sure Jesus qualifies as a child of rape under any definition of the word. I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.


Gabriel did ask her permission...
Though, if she said no it would have gone against god's plan, which kind of kills the idea of free will...
If I was pre-destined to be born, did my parents really have free will to choose to hook up?
 
2012-08-21 09:37:07 AM  

stonicus: GAT_00: Well, I'm pretty sure Jesus qualifies as a child of rape under any definition of the word. I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.

Gabriel did ask her permission...
Though, if she said no it would have gone against god's plan, which kind of kills the idea of free will...
If I was pre-destined to be born, did my parents really have free will to choose to hook up?


Actually no. Gabe showed up and said, "God is gunna tap your ass" and Mary was like "if he must", and just let it happen.
 
2012-08-21 09:37:40 AM  

Headso: RussianPooper: I don't think our objections to the idiocy of Akin's comment should make us deny that there are absolutely instances where consensual sex has occurred and rape was claimed afterwards.

His apology all revolves around the word "legitimate" and the religious nutters who support him are trying to make the conversation about that part of his statements. It's actually a pretty shrewd move to control the narrative.


"Shrewd" isn't exactly the word I'd use; as I keep saying, claiming that by "legitimate rape" he meant "forcible rape" really sounds worse, not better, since juxtaposing the two comments implies that only forcible rape is real rape.

I would agree that it's odd that it took a blatant lie to draw attention to the "women shouldn't be allowed to abort rape-babies" policy of pro-lifers, but that particular stance among staunch abortion opponents has never been secret, really.
 
2012-08-21 09:37:40 AM  

vernonFL: Jesus wasn't the only God born as a result of rape, there were others who were the result of Gods raping people.

If you read through lots of mytholgies, God rape is pretty common, as is devil rape and ghost rape.


And yet, clown rape is sadly absent.
 
2012-08-21 09:38:42 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: stonicus: GAT_00: Well, I'm pretty sure Jesus qualifies as a child of rape under any definition of the word. I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.

Gabriel did ask her permission...
Though, if she said no it would have gone against god's plan, which kind of kills the idea of free will...
If I was pre-destined to be born, did my parents really have free will to choose to hook up?

Actually no. Gabe showed up and said, "God is gunna tap your ass" and Mary was like "if he must", and just let it happen.


And then Gabe shows up at Joe's place and was like, "my Homie Yahweh just did up your girl. Deal wid it." And Joe was like "whatever".
 
2012-08-21 09:40:12 AM  

Biological Ali: You won't see anybody talking about "justifiable rape" or "rape committed in self-defense" or what have you.


Give it another week at this rate, and you might.
 
2012-08-21 09:44:26 AM  

abb3w: Ah. Just so long as it's done within the professional canons, I guess it's only "rape" and not "rape rape rape rape rape rape rape rape rape". Or is that the other way around?

...or are you one of the lawyers for Blackwater Xe Academi?


I always knew you were an idiot. You really show it in this thread. o_o
 
2012-08-21 09:44:33 AM  
I can see different levels of rape:

1) Forcible rape:
- Physical restraint (including "date rape" drugs), threat of violence rape

2) Authoritative rape:
- Person in authority using non-violent threats to get victim to relent
- Statutory rape between adult and child without violence or threats of violence

3) Date rape:
- Sexual assault on someone not able to consent, but the victim is responsible for not being able to consent

4) Morning After Regret Rape:
- One person could have said "no", but didn't say "no" and regrets it later

5) Romeo/Juliet Rape:
- Just barely adult and a not quite legal boyfriend/girlfriend

--------------

So, 1, 2, and 3 are obviously "go to jail, do not pass go" rape with the same penalties for each. One exception would be to #3 if there was reason for the perp to think consent would have been given (eg, we had consensual sex, we fell asleep, he woke up and got frisky). In that case, it would be complex as to what the penalty should be - jail, probation, suspended sentence, etc.

Number 4 will probably be illegal, but shouldn't result in jail time. Maybe a series of classes on interpersonal relationships and learning to read signs of emotional distres.

Number 5 should only result in a restraining order until the younger person reaches the age of consent.

I hope that when Republitards say "forcible rape" they really mean 1 - 3, but I imagine they only mean 1.

// Discuss

// As a side note, I think the Julian Assange case falls somewhere between 3 and 4. If it weren't for the implication that he could be sent to the US for an unfair trial, I'd say ship his ass back to Sweden. But that case is much more complex than a simple sexual assault allegation.
 
2012-08-21 09:46:18 AM  

quatchi: I'm waiting for "Rape-Babies, the animated series" to come out before I weigh in here.

/You'd think Huckaberry woulda learned to shut his gaping pie-hole by now whenever the subject of rape comes up.
//You know, after releasing that rapist early (with predictable results) who conned him into it by telling Huckster that he'd found Jesus and was totally a legitimate non-rapist now..


Rape Babies in "V for Vasectomy"?
 
2012-08-21 09:47:06 AM  

DataShade: WorldCitizen: I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.

It's already sort of been covered, but they're making the distinction between, as you say, statutory rape and rape where the rapist beats the crap out of his victim,
but also between rape by a stranger or a husband forcing himself on his wife,
or a boss who rapes a subordinate by threatening a loss of employment but no physical violence,

but also a situation where a guy with a gun and a skimask surprises a woman and says "I'll kill you if you speak or don't do everything I say," because if you don't fight back then you're giving consent.


I've seen several cases where the victim asked the rapist to use a condom, and the rapist then used that as proof of consent in court.
 
2012-08-21 09:49:26 AM  

rdu_voyager: // Discuss


You blamed the victim in number 3. And you trotted out a stale trope in number 4. And frankly, number 5's title is wrong given the classification you're using.
 
2012-08-21 09:50:46 AM  

stonicus: DataShade: WorldCitizen: I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.

It's already sort of been covered, but they're making the distinction between, as you say, statutory rape and rape where the rapist beats the crap out of his victim,
but also between rape by a stranger or a husband forcing himself on his wife,
or a boss who rapes a subordinate by threatening a loss of employment but no physical violence,

but also a situation where a guy with a gun and a skimask surprises a woman and says "I'll kill you if you speak or don't do everything I say," because if you don't fight back then you're giving consent.

I've seen several cases where the victim asked the rapist to use a condom, and the rapist then used that as proof of consent in court.


You can dig through these threads over the past several days and find several Farkers making the same argument.
 
2012-08-21 09:52:29 AM  

Theaetetus: stonicus: DataShade: WorldCitizen: I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.

It's already sort of been covered, but they're making the distinction between, as you say, statutory rape and rape where the rapist beats the crap out of his victim,
but also between rape by a stranger or a husband forcing himself on his wife,
or a boss who rapes a subordinate by threatening a loss of employment but no physical violence,

but also a situation where a guy with a gun and a skimask surprises a woman and says "I'll kill you if you speak or don't do everything I say," because if you don't fight back then you're giving consent.

I've seen several cases where the victim asked the rapist to use a condom, and the rapist then used that as proof of consent in court.

You can dig through these threads over the past several days and find several Farkers making the same argument.


I've never seen one hold up in court, they always go to jail.
 
2012-08-21 09:53:36 AM  
In other news, Mike Huckabee has officially eliminated himself from any public office, ever.

/praise Jeebus
 
2012-08-21 09:54:45 AM  
Next up for the American Taliban:

Any woman not wearing a Burka and escorted by a male family member can be violently raped. The rapists will now be classified as "victims of a vile temptress", and the woman will be stoned as a harlot.

Alternatively, the "victim of a vile temptress" can choose to marry the Harlot, who then has to serve him in all ways until she dies or is killed by her new master.

/I swear, some in the GOP would find fundamentalist Islam wonderful if they just looked into it.
 
2012-08-21 09:56:39 AM  
Uung! I thought the two party system was farked? The rapidly developing one party system, as the Rs self-immolate, should really be a joy.
 
2012-08-21 09:56:55 AM  

dickfreckle: Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?" "Red cabernet?" Is the use of "forcible" being used to imply that some rape is less rapey than others? What difference is there in assaulting a passed out college girl at a kegger and physically holding her down while she's awake? The end result is the same.


Yes, that is EXACTLY what they're trying to do: implying that a lot of rape is really just "boys being boys" and "women overreacting." 

It dovetails nicely with the anti-abortion stance because at heart both are essentially telling women to shut and do what we're told.
 
2012-08-21 09:57:00 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Don't forget that Mike Huckabee was on of the first major speakers announced for the Republican National Convention.

This is the chosen face of the modern Republican Party. These are the views they choose to promote.


Exactly... The GOP has been saying nonsense like this since the 80s, at least.

That they're all trying to distance themselves from it, saying how offended they are by the comment, is laughable.

Paul Ryan didn't seem to have a problem cosponsoring a bill with similar language to what Akin said over the weekend, but now he's "calling Akin personally to ask him to resign from the race"? Please...

The only think they're "offended" by is the fact Akin was stupid enough to say exactly what a good percentage of GOP politicians probably think when it comes to the subject of rape.
 
2012-08-21 09:58:04 AM  

KiplingKat872: Better, not necessarily valid. The "forcible rape" categorizing weakens it.


Well, okay. It's hard to disagree with that.
 
2012-08-21 10:02:06 AM  

rdu_voyager: 4) Morning After Regret Rape:
- One person could have said "no", but didn't say "no" and regrets it later


Rape Statistics

FBI reports consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. The average rate of unfounded reports for Index crimes is 2%.[2] However, "unfounded" is not synonymous with false allegation.[3] Bruce Gross of the Forensic Examiner's says that:

This statistic is almost meaningless, as many of the jurisdictions from which the FBI collects data on crime use different definitions of, or criteria for, "unfounded." That is, a report of rape might be classified as unfounded (rather than as forcible rape) if the alleged victim did not try to fight off the suspect, if the alleged perpetrator did not use physical force or a weapon of some sort, if the alleged victim did not sustain any physical injuries, or if the alleged victim and the accused had a prior sexual relationship. Similarly, a report might be deemed unfounded if there is no physical evidence or too many inconsistencies between the accuser's statement and what evidence does exist. As such, although some unfounded cases of rape may be false or fabricated, not all unfounded cases are false.[4]


Also check out the numbers below for rape statistics in the U.S..

This "she's out to get me" scenario happens a LOT less than some men make it out to be.
 
2012-08-21 10:02:54 AM  

rdu_voyager: I can see different levels of rape:

1) Forcible rape:
- Physical restraint (including "date rape" drugs), threat of violence rape

2) Authoritative rape:
- Person in authority using non-violent threats to get victim to relent
- Statutory rape between adult and child without violence or threats of violence

3) Date rape:
- Sexual assault on someone not able to consent, but the victim is responsible for not being able to consent

4) Morning After Regret Rape:
- One person could have said "no", but didn't say "no" and regrets it later

5) Romeo/Juliet Rape:
- Just barely adult and a not quite legal boyfriend/girlfriend

--------------

So, 1, 2, and 3 are obviously "go to jail, do not pass go" rape with the same penalties for each. One exception would be to #3 if there was reason for the perp to think consent would have been given (eg, we had consensual sex, we fell asleep, he woke up and got frisky). In that case, it would be complex as to what the penalty should be - jail, probation, suspended sentence, etc.

Number 4 will probably be illegal, but shouldn't result in jail time. Maybe a series of classes on interpersonal relationships and learning to read signs of emotional distres.

Number 5 should only result in a restraining order until the younger person reaches the age of consent.

I hope that when Republitards say "forcible rape" they really mean 1 - 3, but I imagine they only mean 1.

// Discuss



your 1 and 2 are one in the same. Whether the threat was of physical harm or of something else, it's the same thing. Also you saying "statutory rape between an adult and child without violence" is about the most inane thing I've read in a long time. Violence defined is "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." You don't think raping a child involves physical force?

I'm not even sure what you mean by #3. Do you mean like getting someone drunk at a party then raping them? In that case, yes the person was not legally able to give consent and it's still rape. A specific kind of rape but it's not in a different category than 1 and 2. It's still rape.

Your number 4 is disgusting and really shows me you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Say a woman falsely cries rape, do you have any idea what she has to then go through after the fact? It involves a lot of probing in sensitive areas. The criminal justice system gets involved, you have to tell friends and family. Be stigmatized by your community. It's a terrible process to go through just to accuse someone of rape. That's why the majority of rapes go unreported. I'm not saying it doesn't happen because there are some crazy people out there, but people just don't have morning after regrets and start crying rape.

Number 5 is really the only one of your rape categories where there should be any discussion.
 
2012-08-21 10:03:24 AM  

rocky_howard: dickfreckle: And so I know it happens, and yet even from those horrible, horrible tragedies of rape, which are inexcusable and indefensible, life has come and sometimes, you know, those people are able to do extraordinary things."

I love this. He makes sure that he adequately decries rape before, in so many words, telling you that maybe you should just accept it,

Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?" "Red cabernet?" Is the use of "forcible" being used to imply that some rape is less rapey than others? What difference is there in assaulting a passed out college girl at a kegger and physically holding her down while she's awake? The end result is the same.

Please stop this. Not just you, everyone.

This kind of trivialization is what creates such confusion in the first place and gives ammo to the rape apologists since the scenario painted with such simple words is cognitively dissonant. Stop with the trivial examples or the idiotic terms as "date rape". Use language appropriately. No need to create cool terms or sound-bytes to be repeated ad nauseam.

"Date rape" just perpetuates both the idea that "hey, it was a date, I should have gotten mine" and the "omg I kinda didn't want to do this guy, but I did and now I regret it." It's way too ambiguous and light a term for anyone to take seriously. She was forced, she was drugged, none of this cutesy terms.

Ditto for the "passed out girl at a kegger". Has that actually happened? I'm pretty sure it has happened since we're 7 billion people on the planet and law of big numbers applies, but is it really a prevalent scenario? Because that just contributes to two things. 1 people dismiss it because, really? does that happen? You see a passed out body at a party and you have sex with that? and 2 it's just a sound byte that's become a stereotype and you have people arguing against stuff that probably doesn't even happen.


It happened to my girlfriend's sister when she was 16. Yes it happens. But keep telling yourself and trying to convince others that it doesn't. Or maybe she really asked for it by going to a party and drinking and then passing out in the laundry room where her friend's dad found her. Hell of way for her to lose we virginity. But as you said, stuff like that doesn't really happen.
 
2012-08-21 10:03:37 AM  
I love when women's issues come up and Republicans just start speaking their mind about them. There's going to be a good week of these retards opening their traps and telling us what they really think before the gag order comes down from the top.

You would have thought they would have learned from all the "birth control == prostitution" stuff from...two months ago? But apparently not.
 
2012-08-21 10:03:50 AM  

Ambivalence: WorldCitizen: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.

That's giving them way too much credit. I thinkt hey're TRYING to make the distinction from date rape or "woman passed out and didn't give consent" rape which isn't REALLY rape just boys being boys.


It's not rape unless you rough her up a bit. Let's be realistic here. You have to draw the line somewhere. You goofy libs always go so far overboard with things. So what if she was 13? I paid her mom $100, so it's not rape. Sheesh. And as far as that girl in college goes, I bought her supper and at least 5 drinks, and those roofies aren't cheap. I think she owed me something.

I'd also like to point out that he makes a good point. Some exceptional people were the product of rape. Pretty much all of the people that I know were the product of consensual sex, and those guys are assholes. I say we should ban so-called consensual sex and make rape the only legal sex. Think of it as an adventure, ladies! You're probably going to get to have sex today, you just don't know when or with whom. That's the fun part! Every day is a surprise!
 
2012-08-21 10:07:22 AM  
Mary MacGregor: Robert, there is more. I am carrying a child and I do not know who is the father."
Robert Roy MacGregor: Ach, Mary...
Mary MacGregor: I could not kill it, husband.
Robert Roy MacGregor: It's not the child that needs killing.
 
2012-08-21 10:09:36 AM  
was he talking about rape? or rape rape? Maybe somoeone should ask whoopie which kind it was.
 
2012-08-21 10:10:51 AM  

DisposableSavior: It happened to my girlfriend's sister when she was 16. Yes it happens. But keep telling yourself and trying to convince others that it doesn't. Or maybe she really asked for it by going to a party and drinking and then passing out in the laundry room where her friend's dad found her. Hell of way for her to lose we virginity. But as you said, stuff like that doesn't really happen.


While I know that stuff does happen, there is a difference between black out and pass out. If a girl is passed out, she's off limits. But if a girl is all over you asking for it, but doesn't remember it the next day, and in her mind she did just go lay down, who is at fault there?

/any more details on that story?
 
2012-08-21 10:13:10 AM  
The reason for category #2 is not to claim it's a lesser crime, it's to make the distinction between physical violence and social coercion. You wouldn't want someone to get a light sentence because the rapist said "she said yes", right? So you make the legal category, and then you give it the appropriately severe punishment.
 
2012-08-21 10:14:10 AM  

stonicus: While I know that stuff does happen, there is a difference between black out and pass out. If a girl is passed out, she's off limits. But if a girl is all over you asking for it, but doesn't remember it the next day, and in her mind she did just go lay down, who is at fault there?


People who are incapacitated by alcohol or drugs cannot legally give consent to anything. That why reputable tattoo parlors will not give tattoos to drunk people because the customer can come back and sue them.

The guideline I would use is if they can't drive, they cannot legally give consent.

Period.

Also, if you have to get a girl hammered to have sex, what are you doing wrong?
 
2012-08-21 10:14:34 AM  
Huckabee should know. He is a product of some alcohol-fueled, non-consensual fudge packing one breezy summer night on Fire Island.
 
2012-08-21 10:15:05 AM  

SavageWombat: So you make the legal category, and then you give it the appropriately severe punishment.


But by making that legal distinction, it will be a lesser sentence.

Separate but equal never works. Never.
 
2012-08-21 10:15:23 AM  

RussianPooper: If men could get pregnant by rape, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.


That's an interesting twist on Florynce Kennedy's famous "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament" quote.
 
2012-08-21 10:15:32 AM  

Makh: Legitimate rape: It's a pretty effective birth control. No need for condoms. On the rare chance it works, it produces wonderful people.


Can you get an STD as a result of legitimate rape?

/surprised no one has asked this yet.
 
2012-08-21 10:16:01 AM  

Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.


Hey, they're only splitting semantic hairs to try and introduce reasonable doubt in peoples' minds that when someone says rape they don't mean "I'm a slut and regretted it the next day"...

...so how dare you say the GOP is conducting a war on women! Clearly it's *YOU* who are the sexist one!
 
2012-08-21 10:16:17 AM  
I can only hope that this is the issue that will end up dragging the ultra right extremists down, and alienating them from the Republican party. Would be nice to see both parties move a little bit closer to the center.
 
2012-08-21 10:18:16 AM  

KiplingKat872: stonicus: While I know that stuff does happen, there is a difference between black out and pass out. If a girl is passed out, she's off limits. But if a girl is all over you asking for it, but doesn't remember it the next day, and in her mind she did just go lay down, who is at fault there?

People who are incapacitated by alcohol or drugs cannot legally give consent to anything. That why reputable tattoo parlors will not give tattoos to drunk people because the customer can come back and sue them.

The guideline I would use is if they can't drive, they cannot legally give consent.

Period.

Also, if you have to get a girl hammered to have sex, what are you doing wrong?


Dating ugly women?
 
2012-08-21 10:19:28 AM  

RolandGunner: Mary MacGregor: Robert, there is more. I am carrying a child and I do not know who is the father."
Robert Roy MacGregor: Ach, Mary...
Mary MacGregor: I could not kill it, husband.
Robert Roy MacGregor: It's not the child that needs killing.


Because those people made a choice, that choice should be removed from others?
 
2012-08-21 10:22:12 AM  

mrshowrules: RolandGunner: Mary MacGregor: Robert, there is more. I am carrying a child and I do not know who is the father."
Robert Roy MacGregor: Ach, Mary...
Mary MacGregor: I could not kill it, husband.
Robert Roy MacGregor: It's not the child that needs killing.

Because those people made a choice, that choice should be removed from others?


Of course! All our social policies should be based on films.
 
2012-08-21 10:22:32 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Makh: Legitimate rape: It's a pretty effective birth control. No need for condoms. On the rare chance it works, it produces wonderful people.

Can you get an STD as a result of legitimate rape?

/surprised no one has asked this yet.


No. If a woman is forcibly raped, her body automatically produces a whole bunch of super antibodies to combat any possible infections. In the extremely rare cases where a woman can pick up an STD, it should be viewed as a gift. Maybe a little crotch rot will keep you from whoring around so much.

//I really need to get out of this thread before I get sent to super hell
 
2012-08-21 10:25:05 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The most shocking thing about all of this is suddenly realizing that, all along, Karl Rove was actually a sobering, calming influence on GOP electoral discourse.


In other news, I am going to start a drug habit on purpose now. Congratulations to you, Sir, or Ma'am, for posting the first Fark comment that ever got a genuine recoil from me in the five + years I have been here.

/going to weep now
 
2012-08-21 10:25:26 AM  

Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.


Yeah, I've never heard of statutory rape either.
 
2012-08-21 10:27:33 AM  

keylock71: mrshowrules: RolandGunner: Mary MacGregor: Robert, there is more. I am carrying a child and I do not know who is the father."
Robert Roy MacGregor: Ach, Mary...
Mary MacGregor: I could not kill it, husband.
Robert Roy MacGregor: It's not the child that needs killing.

Because those people made a choice, that choice should be removed from others?

Of course! All our social policies should be based on films.


They should all be based on Liam Nielson films. Darkman was pro-choice BTW.
 
2012-08-21 10:29:56 AM  
I can't believe that he is saying that there is good that comes from rape. And this guy was a GOP candidate for president at one point, people! You might as well say that the Nazi concentration camps were ok since it influenced Elie Wiesel to write his award-winning book, Night.
 
2012-08-21 10:30:56 AM  
www.religionnews.com


"You say you were asked whether `the rape of Dominique Francon by
Howard Roark was a violation of Dominique's freedom, an act of force
that was contrary to the Objectivist Ethics?' The answer is: of course
not. It was not an actual rape, but a symbolic action which Dominique
all but invited. This was the action she wanted and Howard Roark knew
it."


/in other words "If it was rape, it was rape by engraved invitation"
//in days of ryan-rape-republican threads no one brought up the randroid rape fetish connection yet?
 
2012-08-21 10:35:00 AM  

KiplingKat872: stonicus: While I know that stuff does happen, there is a difference between black out and pass out. If a girl is passed out, she's off limits. But if a girl is all over you asking for it, but doesn't remember it the next day, and in her mind she did just go lay down, who is at fault there?

People who are incapacitated by alcohol or drugs cannot legally give consent to anything. That why reputable tattoo parlors will not give tattoos to drunk people because the customer can come back and sue them.

The guideline I would use is if they can't drive, they cannot legally give consent.

Period.

Also, if you have to get a girl hammered to have sex, what are you doing wrong?


Not about having to... but men and women go to parties, they both get drunk. Sometimes, they hook up. Why is a drunk woman not legally responsible for her actions, but a drunk male is?
I've woken up next to an undesirable woman before, and didn't remember going home with her. Did she rape me?
 
2012-08-21 10:35:58 AM  
theiowarepublican.com

This is Mike Huckabee's daughter Sarah. I'm sure he is looking forward to her being raped so he can enjoy being a grandfather of a artistic rape-grandchild. Here's hoping all your rape dreams come true, Mike.

/rape
 
2012-08-21 10:38:43 AM  
I know I shouldn't read these threads, but like some kind of unreasonable optimist I keep hoping for some interesting and insightful discussion rather than the blindly partisan bickering that tends to be the norm. I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment.

That being said, I'm what most people would generally term a fiscal and social "Conservative". As a rule I vote independent (rarely if ever party line) though I have registered as a republican on occasion to participate in a primary. In the last presidential election I voted for Obama because I felt that McCain had sold out his integrity for the nomination and even though I didn't agree with many of Obama's stances I believed he was committed to some legitimate change. While he's obviously done some good things I don't think I can vote for him again with the continued growth of the police state, but Romney doesn't do anything for me either. At this point I doubt there's much that will keep the next four years from continuing to suck.

At the end of the day, both major political parties have their extremists and morons. I keep seeing people in this thread affirm that "only forcible rape is rape" is the position of the republican party when this is demonstrably false. Individual Republicans (and Democrats) have plenty of indefensibly moronic positions, I don't think it's really necessary to try and paint the entire party with the broad brush of one idiot's colossal clusterfark.

In this day and age no reasonable person believes that ANY undesired sexual contact is acceptable. Argue all you want about the semantic definitions, you're just hopping onboard the derp train. We're not going to ever make a difference if we keep allowing the two dominant parties to divide us with extremist politicking.

Any democrat that is calling out the entire republican party over Akin's idiotic and indefensible statement is just as stupid as the deep south republican calling for Obama's birth certificate. When you buy into the party's message and start demonizing groups of people for a single idea you play right into the hands of the powerful elite whose interests are protected by both parties.

Most people in this country are somewhere in the middle. Until we quit allowing ourselves to be divided by edge cases and minority extremism the country will continue to go to hell in a handbasket regardless of whether it's being driven by a Democrat or a Republican.

We need to call out the individuals that hold extremist and moronic stances for the idiots that they are without unjustifiably accusing everyone else in their party of holding the exact same beliefs. Find and ostracize the pure politicians that make a living sowing hatred and distrust with scare tactics (Muslims are going to eat your babies! Liberals are going to steal all your guns and make you have 3rd term partial birth abortions! All Christians want to make the country a theocracy and outlaw science!) and make it impossible to get elected on a platform of fear and division. Demand that our candidates from both parties detail their positions on all of the issues that matter instead of just campaigning on a single talking point designed to "mobilize the base".

National Defense, Equal Rights, Freedom of Speech, Net Neutrality, Healthcare, Taxes and Fiscal Policy, etc. etc. are all critical issues. We should never elect someone without knowing their stances and plans in all of these areas so that a truly informed decision can be made. We need truly independent analysis of their positions by impartial experts in each field. Until that time we'll continue to elect the same class of me-first career politicians that got us into the mess we're currently enjoying.

Both sides of the spectrum need to realize how the established parties use these issues to keep us divided and separated into nice neat little groups that are easily manipulated and controlled.

The calls of "all republicans are ignorant, uneducated science-denying hicks" and "all democrats are homosexual flag-hating baby killers" are no more accurate than the antiquated calls demonizing Blacks, Women, Hispanics, Japanese, or the Russians. These generalizations serve only to falsely encourage fear and distrust so that we are less likely to form a united front and demand accountability and rationality from the people we trust to lead us.

In the age of the Internet we should be able to realize that even though we may occupy slightly different locations on the political scale and we each have our own positions on the important issues we have far more in common than not. Allowing ourselves to be split up into 2 giant pots (or 3 or more if you want to include the impotent independents) simply serves to reinforce the status quo.

Is there one party that blindly marches in lockstep more than the other? Almost certainly. But ultimately the difference, no matter how pronounced, is negligible. Until the majority of people across the entire spectrum of liberal and conservative thought rejects the stereotyping and uses some critical thinking things are only going to get worse. After Citizens United the wealthy have an even more disproportionate amount of influence and will be successful in protecting their interests over the vast majority of us that don't have the same advantages. As long as they simply have to bankroll single-issue attacks ads targeted at specific populations we will continue to be led like sheep to the slaughter.

I envision a time when some kind of change allows people to make decisions based on what's best for the country as a whole instead of voting based on a single talking point. Campaign finance reform? Term Limits? Mandatory voter education? Flying unicorns vomiting rainbows across major population centers? Unfortunately they're all equally likely to happen, and equally likely to create real reform.

What's the real solution? It's going to take someone a lot smarter (and probably far wealthier and influential) than me to figure it out and make it happen. However unless someone finds it sooner rather than later we're just going to keep circling the drain.

Sorry for the wall of text. It just continually sickens me to see the transparent mechanisms of the parties successfully influencing the demographic that should be the most informed and immune to their lies and manipulations.

TL:DR

With the exception of an isolated few notable morons (like Huckabee) NO ONE on either side of the aisle is defending Akin or his ridiculous statements. Instead of picking sides and slinging mud at each other we should all just call him out for the idiot he is. Expose his ignorance and hold him personally accountable then join forces (liberal, conservative, or anywhere in between) to vote for changes that will really help this country instead of allowing ourselves to be segregated, divided, distracted, and manipulated by emotionally charged wedge issues.

Still TL:DR

If you say "All Republicans think X" or "All Democrats think Y" your politics are bad and you should feel bad.
 
2012-08-21 10:41:57 AM  

stonicus: Not about having to... but men and women go to parties, they both get drunk. Sometimes, they hook up. Why is a drunk woman not legally responsible for her actions, but a drunk male is?
I've woken up next to an undesirable woman before, and didn't remember going home with her. Did she rape me?


If she was sober and you were not, then legally yes. There have to be absolutes under the law, and if your blood alcohol level is above the mark set by your state for legal limit, then you can not give legal consent. If you want to make the accusation to the police, you can. But as outlined by the FBI office in the link I posted above, if it boils down to a "he said, she said" then the Police may not chose to peruse it. It works the same way for women. A lot of rape cases never make it to court because of lack of evidence.

That does not give you license to take advantage of drunk girls. And if a line of women shows up in a police station saying, "I was drunk and this particular guy took advantage of me," then the police *are* going to note you as "a person of interest."
 
2012-08-21 10:42:55 AM  

GAT_00: Well, I'm pretty sure Jesus qualifies as a child of rape under any definition of the word. I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.


Immaculate rape?
 
2012-08-21 10:45:23 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: [theiowarepublican.com image 400x225]

This is Mike Huckabee's daughter Sarah. I'm sure he is looking forward to her being raped so he can enjoy being a grandfather of a artistic rape-grandchild. Here's hoping all your rape dreams come true, Mike.

/rape


Great, who you going to drag into this next? Mary Cheney?
 
2012-08-21 10:48:00 AM  
A) I Rape Huckabees would be a much better movie than the original

b) I think I'd like to see the Rape Appliance folks try to unjam a garbage disposal.
 
2012-08-21 10:49:21 AM  

mod3072: //I really need to get out of this thread before I get sent to super hell


I think you mean "forcible hell."
 
2012-08-21 10:50:27 AM  
cache.gawker.com

This is Mary Cheney and her spouse Heather Poe. I'm sure Mike Huckabee is looking forward to both of them being raped so he can enjoy being the rape-godfather to two artistic, rape-godchildren. Here's hoping all your rape rape dreams come true, Mike.

/rape rape
 
2012-08-21 10:52:34 AM  

DataShade: mod3072: //I really need to get out of this thread before I get sent to super hell

I think you mean "forcible hell."


Isn't all Hell forcible Hell? Do people actually choose to go there?

/its not really hell unless its hell-hell.

/hell
 
2012-08-21 10:53:05 AM  
"Well, I just woke up today and thought, what a nice day to align myself with one of the most hated people in America right now. What could possibly go wrong?" - Mike Huckabee
 
2012-08-21 10:54:12 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: DataShade: mod3072: //I really need to get out of this thread before I get sent to super hell

I think you mean "forcible hell."

Isn't all Hell forcible Hell? Do people actually choose to go there?

/its not really hell unless its hell-hell.

/hell


Someone chose to marry Donald Trump.
 
2012-08-21 10:55:39 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: FlyingLizardOfDoom: DataShade: mod3072: //I really need to get out of this thread before I get sent to super hell

I think you mean "forcible hell."

Isn't all Hell forcible Hell? Do people actually choose to go there?

/its not really hell unless its hell-hell.

/hell

Someone chose to marry get paid a lot of money to put up with Donald Trump.

 

FTFY
 
2012-08-21 10:55:40 AM  

cwheelie: GAT_00: Well, I'm pretty sure Jesus qualifies as a child of rape under any definition of the word. I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.

Immaculate rape?


Blame the midichlorians.
 
2012-08-21 11:01:10 AM  

push3r: Both sides of the spectrum need to realize how the established parties use these issues to keep us divided and separated into nice neat little groups that are easily manipulated and controlled.


push3r: Sorry for the wall of text. It just continually sickens me to see the transparent mechanisms of the parties successfully influencing the demographic that should be the most informed and immune to their lies and manipulations.


Funny how the calls for bipartisan cooperation and cries of "Both sides are bad!" happen as soon as your side starts exposing themselves as abject morons.

You can decry what Akin say, you can insist that you don't agree with him at all. That may be true. But if you're even halfway as "Conservative" as you claim, you and your ilk are responsible for voting people like him into power in the first place. Somebody probably duped you one day with tough, bootstrappy language like "fiscal responsibility" and "small government." They led you to believe that they were just concerned about the economy. You didn't hear their dog whistles because, after all, they're silent, right? So you voted for them without the slightest thought of the company you would keep.

And here you are. Here we all are.

This isn't an isolated incident and this didn't just suddenly happen in 2012. Conservative Republicans have been running on a veiled platform of misogyny and bigotry for decades, with the veil only as thin as the locals in any given campaign stop require. There are reams and reams or evidence, quotes, and legislation that proves this is their platform. And for decades the people who voted for them sleep easy at night, fooling themselves into believing, "I only voted for his economic policies, that's all." Good luck trying to make friends across the aisle now that you let the horses out of the barn.
 
2012-08-21 11:03:43 AM  
God raped Mary. (at least that's what she told Joseph) So rape is a-okay if you're a Christian.
 
2012-08-21 11:03:43 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: [theiowarepublican.com image 400x225]

This is Mike Huckabee's daughter Sarah. I'm sure he is looking forward to her being raped so he can enjoy being a grandfather of a artistic rape-grandchild. Here's hoping all your rape dreams come true, Mike.

/rape


Republicans are capable of empathy if they are very close to an issue.

Cheney is capable of supporting gay marriage because of his gay daughter
Rubio believes in legislation similar to the dream act because he is the child of immigrants
McCain, thinks "enhanced" interrogation is wrong because he was tortured

As long as Republicans have personal experience with something, they are capable of empathy of it. Liberals are capable of true empathy which makes them better people generally speaking.
 
2012-08-21 11:06:40 AM  
wwp.greenwichmeantime.com

This is the state of Arkansas, home to 1.5 million females. I'm sure Mike Huckabee is looking forward to all 1.5 million of them being raped so he can enjoy being the rape-ex-governor to 1.5 million artistic, rape-constituents. Here's hoping all your rape x 1.5 million dreams come true, Mike.

/rape x 1.5 million
 
2012-08-21 11:10:07 AM  

Lernaeus: Then, when he's a teenager and starting to like girls, make him take virginity and anti-masturbation pledges. Later in college, he'll be bursting with God's love - so much that he'll grab he first girl he sees at a frat party, non-forcibly rape her in accordance with God's Plan, and impregnate her with another extraordinary Christian Warrior.


LIBERALS ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS.
 
2012-08-21 11:10:27 AM  

rocky_howard: "Date rape" shouldn't be classified as actual rape unless there's lack of consent. intent involved and the presence of external factors like rohypnol or whatever.


FTFY

Don't be an apologist for rape
 
2012-08-21 11:16:03 AM  

DisposableSavior: rocky_howard: dickfreckle: And so I know it happens, and yet even from those horrible, horrible tragedies of rape, which are inexcusable and indefensible, life has come and sometimes, you know, those people are able to do extraordinary things."

I love this. He makes sure that he adequately decries rape before, in so many words, telling you that maybe you should just accept it,

Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?" "Red cabernet?" Is the use of "forcible" being used to imply that some rape is less rapey than others? What difference is there in assaulting a passed out college girl at a kegger and physically holding her down while she's awake? The end result is the same.

Please stop this. Not just you, everyone.

This kind of trivialization is what creates such confusion in the first place and gives ammo to the rape apologists since the scenario painted with such simple words is cognitively dissonant. Stop with the trivial examples or the idiotic terms as "date rape". Use language appropriately. No need to create cool terms or sound-bytes to be repeated ad nauseam.

"Date rape" just perpetuates both the idea that "hey, it was a date, I should have gotten mine" and the "omg I kinda didn't want to do this guy, but I did and now I regret it." It's way too ambiguous and light a term for anyone to take seriously. She was forced, she was drugged, none of this cutesy terms.

Ditto for the "passed out girl at a kegger". Has that actually happened? I'm pretty sure it has happened since we're 7 billion people on the planet and law of big numbers applies, but is it really a prevalent scenario? Because that just contributes to two things. 1 people dismiss it because, really? does that happen? You see a passed out body at a party and you have sex with that? and 2 it's just a sound byte that's become a stereotype and you have people arguing against stuff that probably doesn't even happen.
...


I worked for a mid-size university counseling center for awhile and it happens a lot more than people talk about (1 in 4 women on college campuses have been sexually assaulted and I've personally counseled dozens of people that this exact scenario has happened to) but the woman doesn't press the issue because of the stigma involved and the horrible process they have to go through once they initiate a rape accusation. If you are not sure how much victim blaming goes on, just read through this thread. Don't kid yourself, date rape is still just plain old rape. Making the argument that date rape isn't rape is like saying giving someone poison isn't murder since you didn't physically stab them to death. The end result, sex without consent, is the same regardless of how the rapist made that happen.
 
2012-08-21 11:17:01 AM  

mrshowrules: RolandGunner: Mary MacGregor: Robert, there is more. I am carrying a child and I do not know who is the father."
Robert Roy MacGregor: Ach, Mary...
Mary MacGregor: I could not kill it, husband.
Robert Roy MacGregor: It's not the child that needs killing.

Because those people made a choice, that choice should be removed from others?



I didn't say that. I just felt the quote was a good example of the pro-life view on pregnancies that come from rape. When you believe that the unborn are human beings the notion of ending their life because of their unfortunate beginning is as foreign a concept as the concept of killing a child that has been born because they were the result of a rape is to other people.

The pro-choice argument presumes that a human being does not exist until it is born -- though I guess the fact that the majority of people oppose partial birth abortion yet are evenly split on abortion in general would indicate that most people believe that a human being begins sometime before birth, but sometime after conception. As long as the definition of what is and isn't a human being isn't agreed on you can't really judge others as if they agree on your definition of when life starts.
 
2012-08-21 11:17:44 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

This is the Earth, populated by some 3.5 billion females. I'm sure Mike Huckabee is looking forward to all 3.5 billion of them being raped so he can enjoy being the wealthy rape-exploiter of 3.5 billion artistic, rape-wage slaves. Here's hoping all your rape x 3.5 billion dreams come true, Mike.

/rape x 3.5 billion
 
2012-08-21 11:19:45 AM  
I'd also admit that the character of Rob Roy is not really a poster boy for the pro-life movement. He did kill the shiat out of dudes. He's more of an anti-abortion/pro-death penalty type.
 
2012-08-21 11:22:08 AM  

Karac: See, said all that with a straight face and without needing to add qualifiers. Now when is a republican going to stand up and say "Todd Akin is an idiot. I don't care about his stance on abortion - it doesn't matter because he proved his dumbassness before he even got that far. Calling the man a functional moron is a such an insult to morons that I have requested Secret Service protection."


The problem is that what he said is essentially the GOP party platform.

As Maddow laid out in her exposé, what he believes is what others believe. All he did was honestly articulate it publicly instead of burying it in legislation.
 
2012-08-21 11:22:26 AM  
img2-cdn.newser.com

The Baptists hate the Mormons so much they're willing to sabotage the entire party this election just to keep Romney out of the White House. Nobody can actually believe that either of these two men, a governor and a congressman, would remotely believe any of this BS. It's just straight up back stabbing.
 
2012-08-21 11:28:05 AM  

Ahhh Mike Huckabee... still proving that fundamentalist religious beliefs are a universal cure for intelligence and reason.


diagoras.files.wordpress.com

 
2012-08-21 11:29:13 AM  

OscarTamerz: [img2-cdn.newser.com image 240x160]

The Baptists hate the Mormons so much they're willing to sabotage the entire party this election just to keep Romney out of the White House. Nobody can actually believe that either of these two men, a governor and a congressman, would remotely believe any of this BS. It's just straight up back stabbing.


That is an interesting theory... throw out crazy ultra-right wing crap to sully Romney's chances, so, they are sabotaging his campaign "by proxy".
 
2012-08-21 11:30:35 AM  

trappedspirit: Boudica's War Tampon: [theiowarepublican.com image 400x225]

This is Mike Huckabee's daughter Sarah. I'm sure he is looking forward to her being raped so he can enjoy being a grandfather of a artistic rape-grandchild. Here's hoping all your rape dreams come true, Mike.

/rape

Great, who you going to drag into this next? Mary Cheney?


Did Dick Cheney defend rape?
 
2012-08-21 11:31:08 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

This is the Milky Way galaxy, home to an estimated trillions of extra-terrestrial life forms. I'm sure Mike Huckabee supports funding NASA with hundreds of billions of dollars for deep space exploration outside of our solar system so he can be greeted as the rape-overlord of trillions of artistic, rape-miniature American flag wavers. Here's hoping all your rape x trillions dreams come true, Mike

/rape x trillions
 
2012-08-21 11:33:48 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Did Dick Cheney defend rape?


Is anybody "defending" rape?
 
2012-08-21 11:34:23 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x300]

This is the Earth, populated by some 3.5 billion females. I'm sure Mike Huckabee is looking forward to all 3.5 billion of them being raped so he can enjoy being the wealthy rape-exploiter of 3.5 billion artistic, rape-wage slaves. Here's hoping all your rape x 3.5 billion dreams come true, Mike.

/rape x 3.5 billion


Give it a rest. We get your point, and your 3rd grade game of "How would you like it if...", and advocacy of rape, regardless of your intent, is no less vile and despicable than the words and beliefs of Akin, Huckabee, and the entire leadership of the RNC.
 
2012-08-21 11:35:03 AM  
Y'know, usually the sequel can never meet (much less exceed) the original...but nice try, Huckabee. That was a damn good shot.
 
2012-08-21 11:35:12 AM  
This is gonna be the best election cycle EVER!!

God bless us, every one!
 
2012-08-21 11:38:16 AM  

trappedspirit: Ed Grubermann: Did Dick Cheney defend rape?

Is anybody "defending" rape?


Well, in the interest of fairness, I guess I will.
*clears throat*
Rape is good, k?
 
2012-08-21 11:38:28 AM  

abb3w: GAT_00: I don't think Mary wanted to be pregnant.

...er, God allegedly did get consent.
(Granted, it's not clear there was much choice on the consent.)


But did she enjoy it?

/That slut was asking for it.
 
2012-08-21 11:42:32 AM  

trappedspirit: Ed Grubermann: Did Dick Cheney defend rape?

Is anybody "defending" rape?


Are you asking about defending 'legitimate rape', non-'legimate rape', or any rape?
 
2012-08-21 11:46:51 AM  
I have a new slogan for Mike Huckabee!

Mike Huckabee: as Christian as L.P.Lovecraft!
 
2012-08-21 11:47:09 AM  

Dupa: Boudica's War Tampon: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x300]

This is the Earth, populated by some 3.5 billion females. I'm sure Mike Huckabee is looking forward to all 3.5 billion of them being raped so he can enjoy being the wealthy rape-exploiter of 3.5 billion artistic, rape-wage slaves. Here's hoping all your rape x 3.5 billion dreams come true, Mike.

/rape x 3.5 billion

Give it a rest. We get your point, and your 3rd grade game of "How would you like it if...", and advocacy of rape, regardless of your intent, is no less vile and despicable than the words and beliefs of Akin, Huckabee, and the entire leadership of the RNC.


Let's understand exactly what Huckabee did when he said what he said.

1. He came to the defense of a fellow Republican and to the defense of his party by trying to put a positive spin on rape. If he thought he could rescue his fellow Republicans by putting a positive spin on racial discrimination, he would have done that also.

2. More importantly, this is another Republican trying to abolish abortion in this country by arguing the state should control womens' bodies so that good people could be born that otherwise would have been aborted by evil women. Any argument is fair game men--and I do mean men--of Huckabee's ilk.

Additionally, if you don't like "what ifs" about rape, ask former Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis about them. The Republicans had no problem trashing him, for his reponse to rhetorical queston about his wife being raped. Also ask him about Willie Horton.
 
2012-08-21 11:47:56 AM  

dletter: On another note though, what this all is, from all of them saying this stupid shiat, is to defend banning abortions in ALL circumstances....

even if they were raped.....

even if it was incest......

even if they were 12 years old.....

gotta have the baby.


This not Atkin's sole problem. THS IS IN THE GOP PARTY PLATFORM. It was in H.R. 3 brought to the house for a NATIONAL VOTE by none other than the CURRENT GOP VP CANDIDATE PAUL RYAN HIMSELF.

Why single out one Taliban when you can out the entire party?
 
2012-08-21 11:49:10 AM  

RolandGunner: mrshowrules: RolandGunner: Mary MacGregor: Robert, there is more. I am carrying a child and I do not know who is the father."
Robert Roy MacGregor: Ach, Mary...
Mary MacGregor: I could not kill it, husband.
Robert Roy MacGregor: It's not the child that needs killing.

Because those people made a choice, that choice should be removed from others?


I didn't say that. I just felt the quote was a good example of the pro-life view on pregnancies that come from rape. When you believe that the unborn are human beings the notion of ending their life because of their unfortunate beginning is as foreign a concept as the concept of killing a child that has been born because they were the result of a rape is to other people.

The pro-choice argument presumes that a human being does not exist until it is born -- though I guess the fact that the majority of people oppose partial birth abortion yet are evenly split on abortion in general would indicate that most people believe that a human being begins sometime before birth, but sometime after conception. As long as the definition of what is and isn't a human being isn't agreed on you can't really judge others as if they agree on your definition of when life starts.


GOP Politicians aren't campaigning just to say abortion is bad. They aren't even campaigning to reduce abortion through sex education, birth control and health care access. They are only campaigning to make it illegal and remove this right/choice from women.

Every person has a right to think abortion is immoral. You even have a right to think abortion after rape is immoral. I will not agree with you but I will not think you are human garbage (e.g., Akin).

When you want to legislate your morality on me and the people close to me, that is where a person (politician) crosses the line.
 
2012-08-21 11:49:58 AM  

mrshowrules: When you want to legislate your morality on me and the people close to me, that is where a person (politician) crosses the line.


indirectly that is, because I am a dude
 
2012-08-21 11:51:53 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: He came to the defense of a fellow Republican and to the defense of his party by trying to put a positive spin on rape.


As we look back through history at all the times a human has murdered another human there have been some instances in which a person that was about to go on to do far worse things was struck down.

Did I just try to put a positive spin on murder?
 
2012-08-21 11:52:34 AM  
Come November, you gonna get...
 
2012-08-21 11:53:36 AM  

OscarTamerz: [img2-cdn.newser.com image 240x160]

The Baptists hate the Mormons so much they're willing to sabotage the entire party this election just to keep Romney out of the White House. Nobody can actually believe that either of these two men, a governor and a congressman, would remotely believe any of this BS. It's just straight up back stabbing.


Not if it were already core to the GOP PARTY PLATFORM. No abortion exceptions for ANY kind of rape.

Atkin's only sin is talking about the existing stealth platform written down in H.R. 3 in 2010 and in the party platform documentation since 1976.
 
2012-08-21 11:54:30 AM  

trappedspirit: Boudica's War Tampon: He came to the defense of a fellow Republican and to the defense of his party by trying to put a positive spin on rape.


It's this bullshiat that is causing problems in this country. A certain loud sector of our population can NEVER place any issue outside of the "Libs. vs. Cons" war.

Sorry.. Akin showed that sometimes even jerks like Romney understand this. Huckabee, Limbaugh, Erick Erickson, and numerous others just show what asshole partisans they are and far their amorality goes.
 
2012-08-21 11:55:01 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: your 1 and 2 are one in the same. Whether the threat was of physical harm or of something else, it's the same thing. Also you saying "statutory rape between an adult and child without violence" is about the most inane thing I've read in a long time. Violence defined is "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." You don't think raping a child involves physical force?


All sex involves some kind of physical force, unless the vag is the size of a Volkswagen.
 
mhd
2012-08-21 11:55:07 AM  
And I thought the pagans had weird outdoor rituals...

i.imgur.com
"Arise from the rape, wonderful people!"

By golly, it works!
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-21 11:56:04 AM  

mrshowrules: Makh: Legitimate rape: It's a pretty effective birth control. No need for condoms. On the rare chance it works, it produces wonderful people.

Two kids is enough for us so my wife and I practice legitimate rape as our form of birth control.


God help me, but this made me titter madly. I am, thus, an evil, bad person.

(And not to put any more kerosene on this bonfire but depending on what state you live in it may not be legally possible for a husband to rape their wife......)
 
2012-08-21 11:59:48 AM  

dickfreckle: Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?"


Actually, yes, many people do exactly that, to differentiate it from white asparagus.

As for rape, "forcible rape" is a legitimate and sometimes necessary distinction - for example, a 14 year old girl who consents to sex with a 21 year old man has been raped, but it isn't "forcible" rape. The real problem is dickheads like Akin and many other Republicans who use the term to try to delegitimatize other types of rape as "not really rape" in order to pass more stringent abortion restrictions, or to protect large companies form victims' lawsuits, etc
 
2012-08-21 12:00:22 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Dupa: Boudica's War Tampon: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x300]

This is the Earth, populated by some 3.5 billion females. I'm sure Mike Huckabee is looking forward to all 3.5 billion of them being raped so he can enjoy being the wealthy rape-exploiter of 3.5 billion artistic, rape-wage slaves. Here's hoping all your rape x 3.5 billion dreams come true, Mike.

/rape x 3.5 billion

Give it a rest. We get your point, and your 3rd grade game of "How would you like it if...", and advocacy of rape, regardless of your intent, is no less vile and despicable than the words and beliefs of Akin, Huckabee, and the entire leadership of the RNC.

Let's understand exactly what Huckabee did when he said what he said.

1. He came to the defense of a fellow Republican and to the defense of his party by trying to put a positive spin on rape. If he thought he could rescue his fellow Republicans by putting a positive spin on racial discrimination, he would have done that also.

2. More importantly, this is another Republican trying to abolish abortion in this country by arguing the state should control womens' bodies so that good people could be born that otherwise would have been aborted by evil women. Any argument is fair game men--and I do mean men--of Huckabee's ilk.

Additionally, if you don't like "what ifs" about rape, ask former Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis about them. The Republicans had no problem trashing him, for his reponse to rhetorical queston about his wife being raped. Also ask him about Willie Horton.


I'm clear on what Huckabee said and did, as are most people here, and if you come up with an intelligent way to address it I will back you. But, again, advocating (or qualifying, or worse committing) rape, for any purpose, is a vile and despicable act. Unless you were just joking. About rape.
 
2012-08-21 12:01:15 PM  
This is getting truly surreal.
 
2012-08-21 12:02:01 PM  

d23: trappedspirit: Boudica's War Tampon: He came to the defense of a fellow Republican and to the defense of his party by trying to put a positive spin on rape.

It's this bullshiat that is causing problems in this country. A certain loud sector of our population can NEVER place any issue outside of the "Libs. vs. Cons" war.

Sorry.. Akin showed that sometimes even jerks like Romney understand this. Huckabee, Limbaugh, Erick Erickson, and numerous others just show what asshole partisans they are and far their amorality goes.


And I like I said above, Huckabee is not stupid. He is attacking the idea of legalized abortion in cases of rape by holding up people conceived in rape. He is willing to make any argument that will achieve his party's goal of banning abortion. He is also, considering the timing of his public statement, most likely positioning himself for a major political appointment in the Romney administration. Which should scare the pants off of any voter. Huckabee wants probably wants an important office in Romney's government and he has no problem in insulting millions of women in order to get that appointment by trumpeting his party's sexist, bigoted agenda. That miserable fark.
 
2012-08-21 12:04:46 PM  
Leave it to a Republican to clue us all into the bright side of rape.

Can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs, right, Mike?
 
2012-08-21 12:08:09 PM  
All these sick bastards like Huckabee, Ryan, Romney, Akin and most of the Republican leadership need to be anally raped (those without a vag), and then their daughters and sons need a good raping.

Maybe then they will understand what rape is.

It's amazing how half of our population is just as stupid as they were in the middle ages.
STUPID!
 
2012-08-21 12:08:20 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner:
"You say you were asked whether `the rape of Dominique Francon by
Howard Roark was a violation of Dominique's freedom, an act of force
that was contrary to the Objectivist Ethics?' The answer is: of course
not. It was not an actual rape, but a symbolic action which Dominique
all but invited. This was the action she wanted and Howard Roark knew
it."


/in other words "If it was rape, it was rape by engraved invitation"
//in days of ryan-rape-republican threads no one brought up the randroid rape fetish connection yet?


25.media.tumblr.com

I figure Rand was suffering some weird kind of PTSD and should be pitied rather than scorned.
 
2012-08-21 12:10:18 PM  

lohphat: OscarTamerz: [img2-cdn.newser.com image 240x160]

The Baptists hate the Mormons so much they're willing to sabotage the entire party this election just to keep Romney out of the White House. Nobody can actually believe that either of these two men, a governor and a congressman, would remotely believe any of this BS. It's just straight up back stabbing.

Not if it were already core to the GOP PARTY PLATFORM. No abortion exceptions for ANY kind of rape.

Atkin's only sin is talking about the existing stealth platform written down in H.R. 3 in 2010 and in the party platform documentation since 1976.


That really is the basic conservative view on abortion: 0 tolerance. No abortions. Never, ever, not for any reason. It would become illegal under any circumstance.

Contraception may follow behind it...although it would more likely become only strictly regulated (I only say that because the opinions I've heard expressed on it, while negative, weren't so severe as abortion.) It would only be accessible to married women, though.

Homosexual marriage? Pah...gays would be bombed back to the stone age. Homosexual sex would be made illegal again and suspected homosexuals would be institutionalized and undergo mandatory reparative therapy.
Seriously...if the most hard-edged right wing of the GOP got everything they wanted, all of the above would happen.
 
2012-08-21 12:10:43 PM  
Well, everyone knows that women who resist being farked are only play acting. They all want it and are asking for it.
 
2012-08-21 12:13:05 PM  

RolandGunner: The pro-choice argument presumes that a human being does not exist until it is born -- though I guess the fact that the majority of people oppose partial birth abortion yet are evenly split on abortion in general would indicate that most people believe that a human being begins sometime before birth, but sometime after conception. As long as the definition of what is and isn't a human being isn't agreed on you can't really judge others as if they agree on your definition of when life starts.


Unfortunately, it's not as simple as agreeing on when a fetus is a human being. Even if somehow we all DID agree that "Life begins at X" for some value of X, there would still be arguments about abortion.
 
2012-08-21 12:14:40 PM  
You never know, he might be trying to make a seperation between actual rape rape and "I quite regret my actions a few days ago so I`ll call it rape to save face"
 
2012-08-21 12:17:13 PM  

push3r: I know I shouldn't read these threads...


As insightful as this post was... you will never see that day.

2 reasons:

1 - the right has people like Rush and O'Reilly who are professional boat rockers. They stir up the shiat and convince people, lots of people, TONS of people, that the left is out to get them and their livelihoods. What they say may sounds stupid to some, but it's gospel to a lot and regardless what we think about them, they are smart and focused. They know exactly what buttons to push in people to get them to think a certain way. The right know exactly how to schism this country.

2 - The left is too divided among themselves to effectively fight the right. You have the left trying to get people behind whatever the latest "cause": animal freedoms, organic foods, fossil fuel consumption, gay rights, politically correct speech, veganism, gun control, carbon credits... Meanwhile the few people out there trying to address Rushco and the right like Maddow, take a "higher ground" approach and do more damage control trying to correct the Right's out of context claims, lies, misinterpretations, and attacks that they seem limp and weak. Their motivations might be that if they stooped to Ruscho's levels, the US would be in a civil war before the decade is over. Meanwhile when someone on the Left does rise in the ranks of asshattery and starts making attacks like Oberman, the Right gets all butthurt whining victimy and calls for their resignation...

You have all this, and caught in the middle are normal people... Seriously, a little cultural colon cleansing would be good for this country...
 
2012-08-21 12:17:20 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: And I like I said above, Huckabee is not stupid. He is attacking the idea of legalized abortion in cases of rape by holding up people conceived in rape.


I keep hearing people talk about the only thing worse than a troll is an inconsistent one. That's the one thing these idiots have going for them and I think the context of this rape thing looks very different depending on which side you are on. They say that a developing zygote is life. From that position they cannot then turn around and say that just because it was from a rape it's ok to kill it. So they try and get additional soft support for the idea from people that may be on the fence about allowing abortions for rapes by telling them "Don't worry, most of the time it doesn't result in a pregnancy anyway" (bad science). Then Hucksterby steps in and follows up with "And even if there is a pregnancy, know that it can still be a wonderful thing." To try and say they are justifying rape is just some political position. This is the context from which their asinine position comes. I hope I used enough defamatory language so that you don't misconstrue this as putting a positive spin on Akin or Huckabee.
 
2012-08-21 12:17:55 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: What is "forcible" rape? Rape is rape regardless.


Maybe its the difference between "hells yeah I wanna fark (but tomorrow when I sober up and feel bad about being slutty in gonna file charges)"

and

"OMG STOP NO (etc, etc)


/just guessing
 
2012-08-21 12:18:33 PM  

Dupa: Boudica's War Tampon: Dupa: Boudica's War Tampon: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x300]

This is the Earth, populated by some 3.5 billion females. I'm sure Mike Huckabee is looking forward to all 3.5 billion of them being raped so he can enjoy being the wealthy rape-exploiter of 3.5 billion artistic, rape-wage slaves. Here's hoping all your rape x 3.5 billion dreams come true, Mike.

/rape x 3.5 billion

Give it a rest. We get your point, and your 3rd grade game of "How would you like it if...", and advocacy of rape, regardless of your intent, is no less vile and despicable than the words and beliefs of Akin, Huckabee, and the entire leadership of the RNC.

Let's understand exactly what Huckabee did when he said what he said.

1. He came to the defense of a fellow Republican and to the defense of his party by trying to put a positive spin on rape. If he thought he could rescue his fellow Republicans by putting a positive spin on racial discrimination, he would have done that also.

2. More importantly, this is another Republican trying to abolish abortion in this country by arguing the state should control womens' bodies so that good people could be born that otherwise would have been aborted by evil women. Any argument is fair game men--and I do mean men--of Huckabee's ilk.

Additionally, if you don't like "what ifs" about rape, ask former Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis about them. The Republicans had no problem trashing him, for his reponse to rhetorical queston about his wife being raped. Also ask him about Willie Horton.

I'm clear on what Huckabee said and did, as are most people here, and if you come up with an intelligent way to address it I will back you. But, again, advocating (or qualifying, or worse committing) rape, for any purpose, is a vile and despicable act. Unless you were just joking. About rape.


Jokes about rape? Here's one of mine.

i449.photobucket.com

Now should I be ashamed of making a joke about rape? Let's see. The pictured item is a medical instrument to be used by a trained medical expert. But not for the Republican party. That item is a rape wand, to be forcibly inserted inside of any woman who wants an abortion. This insertion is not a medical procedure. It is a terror weapon, a torture device to dissuate the woman in the stirrups--and ANY OTHER WOMAN IN HER SIMILAR SITUATION--from having an abortion.

So should I feel guilty about making a joke about rape? Ask Mel Brooks whether he feels bad about making jokes about a German with a funny moustache.
 
2012-08-21 12:24:51 PM  
Didn't Santorum say; if you are raped and get preggers you should be grateful to god for the gift he bestowed upon you.
 
2012-08-21 12:25:18 PM  

stonicus: trappedspirit: Ed Grubermann: Did Dick Cheney defend rape?

Is anybody "defending" rape?


Why yes, as a matter of fact. Yes, people are trying to divide rape into two categories: "legitimate rape" and "boys-will-be-boys rape," and then defending the "boys-will-be-boys rape" as not true legitimate rape-rape.

Members of the Republican party have been doing since the 1970s at least. Whoopi Goldberg got a meme out of it. Historically it's been documented in law as far back as the 13th century. And people in this thread are trying to do it now.
 
2012-08-21 12:26:48 PM  
Can we just eliminate all conservatives from the planet and start over?
 
2012-08-21 12:30:47 PM  
The Great EZE:

Funny how the calls for bipartisan cooperation and cries of "Both sides are bad!" happen as soon as your side starts exposing themselves as abject morons.

You can decry what Akin say, you can insist that you don't agree with him at all. That may be true. But if you're even halfway as "Conservative" as you claim, you and your ilk are responsible for voting people like him into power in the first place. Somebody probably duped you one day with tough, bootstrappy language like "fiscal responsibility" and "small government." They led you to believe that they were just concerned about the economy. You didn't hear their dog whistles because, after all, they're silent, right? So you voted for them without the slightest thought of the company you would keep.

And here you are. Here we all are.

This isn't an isolated incident and this didn't just suddenly happen in 2012. Conservative Republicans have been running on a veiled platform of misogyny and bigotry for decades, with the veil only as thin as the locals in any given campaign stop require. There are reams and reams or evidence, quotes, and legislation that proves this is their platform. And for decades the people who voted for them sleep easy at night, fooling themselves into believing, "I only voted for his economic policies, that's all." Good luck trying to make friends across the aisle now that you let the horses out of the barn.


You must have just skimmed my post. As clearly stated I've probably voted for as many democrats in my life as I have republicans, though I don't keep track. This includes voting for Obama.

I have never "only voted for his economic policies, that's all". The whole point of my rant was the evil inherent in uninformed single-issue voting, regardless of party. Unlike the people you seem to mistake me for I take the time to look at a candidate's platform and record before placing a vote.

You can paint "Conservative Republicans" with the misogyny and bigotry brush as much as you want. You might even be right. It's really irrelevant to my point that any generalization so broad serves only to reinforce the idea that it has to be "us vs. them". As long as we continue to demonize groups of people and react out of fear or anger nothing is going to change.

Say what you like, but there are "good" and "bad" Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Independents, etc. etc. ad nauseam. If you blindly dismiss someone simply because of a label you're definitely part of the problem. If you want to pretend that "Liberal Democrats" are perfect then you need to remove your head from wherever you put it.

We as a country need to pay less attention to the "D" or "R" next to someone's name and a lot more attention to their demonstrated policies and beliefs. I have die hard democratic friends that are deeply religious and advocate small government. I have republican friends that are stridently pro-choice and have donated and demonstrated in support of same-sex marriage. Pretending that either party is homogeneous is uninformed, misguided, and dangerous.

You appear to see politics as black and white. My position is that we need to recognize the shades of grey. Both parties have evolved and will continue to do so based on what they perceive will help them get elected and stay elected. Creating artificial divisions and creating a narrative that defines a group by any subset of their beliefs is nothing more than an attempt to control people. The sad thing is that it's very effective. Don't be naive. The Republican and Democratic parties in the United States exist for one purpose and one purpose only, to consolidate power and control. They each have committees and leadership that spend inordinate amounts of time and money orchestrating a message to manipulate people into supporting them. Politicians align themselves with one or the other because our system has evolved to make that the only viable way to get elected. It doesn't matter if someone seeks an elected office to influence policy for the greater good of mankind or to take advantage of the power and influence to make themselves wealthy, they have to pick a side.

Reading your response leads me to think that your position is Republicans Bad, Democrats Good. As long as there are intelligent, informed, passionate people like yourself that blindly align themselves with one side or the other there is no hope.

If we could somehow find a way for the majority of people to ignore the party and vote based on rational thought and exhaustive research the parties might evolve to the point where they are forced to make their platforms revolve around demonstrably sound fiscal policy and realistic national security goals. There was a time when the Democratic party was the self-described "Party of the White Man" that denigrated the Republicans as the "Party of the Negro". Now you could argue that those positions are largely reversed. Maybe in the next hundred years we can effect a similar move away from extremist positions on Women's Rights, Separation of Church and State, and other knee-jerk hot button issues to a landscape dominated by rational and intelligent discourse that includes all of the issues that effect us, our children, and our grandchildren.

In this idealistic and honestly unrealistic world people would know how the national debt affects their financial situation. We would study the health care systems around the world and adopt one that maximizes coverage and quality of care while minimizing costs. We would have a simplified and transparent tax code that allows each person to know exactly how their tax dollars are being spent. The IRS would be a fraction of its current size and largely tasked with ensuring compliance by corporate entities, nonprofits, etc.and auditing government spending to eliminate waste.

And yes, we would likely all ride flying ponies to and from our magic moon colonies.

You state that this isn't an isolated incident, that the "Conservative Republicans" have been running on this platform for decades. Even if that is the case the change that I advocate would eventually eliminate this type of institutionalized backasswardness. Instead of members of either party blindly supporting their leadership because of their party affiliation they would join with all rational people to denounce this type of abhorrent behavior.

Perhaps we would ultimately see a large number of far smaller and focused political parties each with a narrow set of policies they advocate. In such a system membership would not be confined to a single organization and you could affiliate with the "no new taxes" party while at the same time belonging to the "universal healthcare" group, the "religious freedom" group and the "Strong National Defense" party. And while I'm fantasizing I'd really like a cuddly puppy that can use the toilet, doesn't shed, and will never grow older.

As I mentioned I don't pretend to have any answers. It simply appears to me that any generalization, including the one you make, is counterproductive.

People that lurk or participate in discussions on forums like Fark should be among the most well informed and open minded people in the world. In theory this shouldn't be a circlejerk of confirmation bias like Townhall or Moveon. It's incredibly demoralizing to see the same stubborn self-imposed groupthink balkanize this community.
 
2012-08-21 12:31:03 PM  

monoski: Didn't Santorum say; if you are raped and get preggers you should be grateful to god for the gift he bestowed upon you.


Santorum says a lot of santorum. I can't keep track of it all.

I've already got him pegged as "so repugnant as to be effectively evil" on his homophobia alone. But you do bring up an interesting point. There does some to be a lot of overlap between hating gays and hating women. Maybe it's just a hating minorities in general kind of thing. I'm not sure.
 
2012-08-21 12:34:44 PM  

WorldCitizen: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.


Or "I was drunk and didn't mean to have sex with those guys." rape. Between the military and college I've seen a lot of that going around.
 
2012-08-21 12:36:26 PM  

ciberido: stonicus: trappedspirit: Ed Grubermann: Did Dick Cheney defend rape?

Is anybody "defending" rape?

Why yes, as a matter of fact. Yes, people are trying to divide rape into two categories: "legitimate rape" and "boys-will-be-boys rape," and then defending the "boys-will-be-boys rape" as not true legitimate rape-rape.

Members of the Republican party have been doing since the 1970s at least. Whoopi Goldberg got a meme out of it. Historically it's been documented in law as far back as the 13th century. And people in this thread are trying to do it now.


I'm not saying "boys-will-be-boys" isn't rape. But it sure as hell is a lot different than ... whats the new term? ahh "forcible rape".

I'm pretty sure most victims think so too.
 
2012-08-21 12:42:57 PM  
I don't think republicans are pro-rape, they're just frustrated by not getting a receipt for consensual sex.
 
2012-08-21 12:53:01 PM  
Apparently, 'non-forcible rape' is the only way republican men can get laid.
 
2012-08-21 01:01:40 PM  

CeroX: push3r: I know I shouldn't read these threads...

As insightful as this post was... you will never see that day.

2 reasons:

1 - the right has people like Rush and O'Reilly who are professional boat rockers. They stir up the shiat and convince people, lots of people, TONS of people, that the left is out to get them and their livelihoods. What they say may sounds stupid to some, but it's gospel to a lot and regardless what we think about them, they are smart and focused. They know exactly what buttons to push in people to get them to think a certain way. The right know exactly how to schism this country.

2 - The left is too divided among themselves to effectively fight the right. You have the left trying to get people behind whatever the latest "cause": animal freedoms, organic foods, fossil fuel consumption, gay rights, politically correct speech, veganism, gun control, carbon credits... Meanwhile the few people out there trying to address Rushco and the right like Maddow, take a "higher ground" approach and do more damage control trying to correct the Right's out of context claims, lies, misinterpretations, and attacks that they seem limp and weak. Their motivations might be that if they stooped to Ruscho's levels, the US would be in a civil war before the decade is over. Meanwhile when someone on the Left does rise in the ranks of asshattery and starts making attacks like Oberman, the Right gets all butthurt whining victimy and calls for their resignation...

You have all this, and caught in the middle are normal people... Seriously, a little cultural colon cleansing would be good for this country...


What's the most frustrating is that all of the "normal" people are the ones empowering the extremist media by visiting their web sites, listening/watching their programs, and supporting their advertisers.

Sometimes I think that we, as a society, have grown too comfortable to survive. It's easier to mark the "straight party" box on the ballot than it is to actually put out the effort to become educated on the issues and where the candidates stand. That's if we even bother to get out of bed to go vote at all.

Looking at history it seems that human beings are wired for conflict. We're not satisfied with the idea that people can get along. Someone has to be wrong, someone has to be right, there has to be winners and losers. Cooperation is no longer valued, encouraged, or taught.

This same behavior shows up on every web site where someone can express their opinion. It's almost impossible to find someone ready to admit that they might not be 100% right, that there's the possibility of some kind of middle ground.

For my kids' sake I hope we're able to turn things around before we do something to permanently damage the country, if we haven't already. 

I'm not holding my breath.
 
2012-08-21 01:06:16 PM  

CeroX: 1 - the right has people like Rush and O'Reilly who are professional boat rockers. They stir up the shiat and convince people, lots of people, TONS of people, that the left is out to get them and their livelihoods. What they say may sounds stupid to some, but it's gospel to a lot and regardless what we think about them, they are smart and focused. They know exactly what buttons to push in people to get them to think a certain way. The right know exactly how to schism this country.


s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-08-21 01:07:24 PM  

ifarkthereforiam: Apparently, 'non-forcible rape' is the only way republican men can get laid.


Or slipping some cash under the bathroom stall
 
2012-08-21 01:10:09 PM  
Its all strategy by repubs

they are making it so romney/ryan are 100% unelectable
so during the convention they have to pick someone else
 
2012-08-21 01:11:39 PM  

pippi longstocking: In a sane country this joker would not be allowed to walk the streets much less run them.


if a Canadian politician said that he'd be on the next flight to Nunavut
 
2012-08-21 01:13:54 PM  

cman: Hey Huckabee, for one in your life shut your damn whore mouth


FTFY
 
2012-08-21 01:16:03 PM  

KrustyKitten: ciberido: stonicus: trappedspirit: Ed Grubermann: Did Dick Cheney defend rape?

Is anybody "defending" rape?

Why yes, as a matter of fact. Yes, people are trying to divide rape into two categories: "legitimate rape" and "boys-will-be-boys rape," and then defending the "boys-will-be-boys rape" as not true legitimate rape-rape.

Members of the Republican party have been doing since the 1970s at least. Whoopi Goldberg got a meme out of it. Historically it's been documented in law as far back as the 13th century. And people in this thread are trying to do it now.

I'm not saying "boys-will-be-boys" isn't rape. But it sure as hell is a lot different than ... whats the new term? ahh "forcible rape".

I'm pretty sure most victims think so too.


Plus I have heard the argument that someone is incapable of consenting to sex if they have had more to drink than would allow them to operate a car. If you hold to that opinion then I think we should differentiate between rape and forcible rape.
 
2012-08-21 01:17:55 PM  

nvmac: Ambivalence: WorldCitizen: Irving Maimway: Holy fark he really said that.

And again with the "forcible" rape? WTF does that even mean? How can there be variations on rape?? I really don't understand this mindset, unless it's the whole "Well, she was asking for it by the way she was dressed that horrible tramp" theory.

//Don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I don't want to any way defend these farkers, but I think they are "trying" to make the distinction from statutory rape.

That's giving them way too much credit. I thinkt hey're TRYING to make the distinction from date rape or "woman passed out and didn't give consent" rape which isn't REALLY rape just boys being boys.

I think it is worse than all of this. What I believe is they are asserting that if a woman enjoys it, it isn't forcible rape. If she enjoys it (even tolerates it), the body reacts differently and assists the pregnancy process, so to say.

If she is 'forcibly' raped, then the lady parts don't 'assist the process' and they are less likely to get pregnant.

Something like this: About.Com, Can Female Orgasm Help You Get Pregnant

/just the messenger


You should get your science from scientists who've actually studied what they are talking about. Upsuck, doesn't happen in humans.

Here comes the science.
 
2012-08-21 01:20:43 PM  
There's rape, rape rape, and a blind date:
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-08-21 01:25:19 PM  

doglover: MythDragon: Bonus:
If you GIS 'rape' and 'Japan', you get this gem.
3.bp.blogspot.com


The green vegetable in the back of the octopi is a stalk of rape flower.

Don't know what rape flower is? Look into what "canola" really means. It will blow your mind. Also, you'll finally understand why there's 40lbs of it a box.


YOU'RE GONNA GET RAPED CANOLA OIL

/at work, too lazy to make the graphic
//seriously, Huckabee, the song's not called "Always Look on the Bright Side of Rape"
 
2012-08-21 01:25:43 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Don't kid yourself, date rape is still just plain old rape.


That's my point. We should discourage the term "date rape". If something it's rape, it's rape. No need to sugar coat it or put it into a context that can be confusing or exploited by rapists.
 
2012-08-21 01:29:38 PM  

The Great EZE: Funny how the calls for bipartisan cooperation and cries of "Both sides are bad!" happen as soon as your side starts exposing themselves as abject morons.


Both sides are bad, pay no attention to our rape apologists.

/Vote Rapeublican.
 
2012-08-21 01:30:02 PM  

SuwonROKs: I love how Libtards bash Republicans for taking things out of context yet go and do exactly the same thing. He was obviously trying to make a point about abortion but you'll do anything to make a Republican look bad.

/not a Democrat or Republican


Your use of the idiotic term 'libtard' gives a teensy bit of a clue as to your leanings. Explain how this was taken out of context. It's an asinine argument that because he can name two people who were conceived as a result of rape that what that moron Akin said about the 'female body shutting that stuff down' makes any sense. It still doesn't. These guys want to make other peoples choices based on their religious beliefs. That's pretty solidly opposite what's in the US Bill of Rights regarding freedom of religion. They can keep their religion out of my government, thank you very much.
 
2012-08-21 01:32:25 PM  
Here's what i think of when i hear the term "Legitimate Rape" vs. "Illegitimate Rape" vs. "Forcible Rape"

Illegitimate: College girl goes to frat party, drinks to loosen up, see that hot guy she's had a crush on for the last 3 months, pulls him up to a private room and sleeps with him. It's consensual to her at the time, even though alcohol has been involved. She is conscious, willing, and it runs it's course. Later, she finds out she's pregnant, and panicking about what she's going to tell her parents. Her "out" is to cry rape. Since alcohol was involved, it becomes a "gray area" because it then becomes a he said she said issue. She's saying "i went upstairs and don't remember" and he's saying "she was all over me".

Legitimate: College girl goes to frat party, drinks heavily, flirts with hot guy she's had her eye on for the last 3 months. Drinks too much, feels like she's going to pass out. Goes up to a secluded bedroom to sleep it off. Hot guy with blue balls follows her up and rapes her while she is unconscious. She finds out later, and reports it, then finds out 2 months later she discovers she's knocked up.

Forcible: College girl goes to frat party, drinks to have fun, gets flirty with that hot guy she's had her eye on for the last 3 months. She goes upstairs to take a piss. Hot guy follows her up and gets all happy hands on her and she's creeped out by it, she says not, but she's 95 lbs and he's 210 of muscle. He ends up throwing her into a secluded room and violently rapes her. She later reports it, and again, finds out later she's knocked up.

In scenario 1 the only 2 people who know what really happened is the chick and the guy... the truth is that the chick is using rape as a weapon to save her reputation or save her from her parents wrath. There's been movie/tv scenes that portray this, and i have no doubt there's probably a case or two that made it to court like this. There's no real way of ever knowing the truth, because people are motivated to do crazy stuff when they are embarrassed or in fear of repercussions.

Scenario 2 is an actual case of rape, but again, from the outside, it's hard to tell who's being honest because eyewitness accounts probably attest that the girl was being overly flirty, and assumed the deal was going down. Since no one was there to witness the actual act, the jury or judge is again listening to a he said she said situation.

In both cases of 1 and 2, the jury will hear the same story, probably hear the same eyewitness testimonies, and see the same test results. It is up to the judge/jury to determine who is telling the truth. I think as a society, we have tended in the past to default that because men are stronger, bigger, and have a stronger sexual drive than women, that we sided with the female as the victim for either case. We gave the benefit of the doubt to the lady in question, and in turn may have put innocent men behind bars. Later, when cases like scenario 1 have the truth revealed, "liberal women" come out to defend the girl's obvious deceptive actions as innocent saying things like "well, if alcohol is involved, then the woman can't legally give consent and this is still rape"... Having liberal women come out in public and announce something like this then completely enrages conservative men who have looked at these situations and would have normally shamed the girl for being deceitful and hurtful, are now frothing at the mouth with stupidity because a liberal spoke out...

I won't address the 3rd scenario, because i believe that those cases are fairly clean cut. With testing and forensics and what have you, we are identifying violent rapes easier than scenario 1 or 2.

Now... I'm sure there are people who are going to say i'm defending rape. I want to make it clear i am not. Scenario 2 and 3 are clear cut cases of rape at the heart of the matter. The issue comes in, because there have been cases like scenario 1 that makes scenario 2 hard to ID and prosecute. The reason i know both of these types of scenarios exist is because i've had 2 ex girlfriends that, thank god i wasn't involved in, were involved in scenarios 1 and 2. One ex was very promiscuous, we were never serious and just fooled around the summer before she left for college. Later i found out she got knocked up at a frat party and claimed she was raped. She had all of of sympathizing with her and offering her support. Later it came out that she was falsely making the claim and i haven't talked to her since. That was about 11 years ago. The other ex-girlfriend of mine really did pass out at a party and some guy she was flirting with raped her. She didn't end up pregnant like the first one, but she was an emotional wreck for about 2 years. She finally found someone and got married. I bump into her about once a year and we play catch up on everything we've been doing...

So my advice in all this: Always tape your sexual encounters... it's hard for a girl to defend her reputation with a rape cry when she's asking you to blow it on her face...

/ok that last part was really a joke and meant to lighten everything above it...
 
2012-08-21 01:37:01 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: dickfreckle: Also, I agree with other Farkers about being annoyed by this whole "forcible" thing. Rape is rape, Do we say "green asparagus?"

Actually, yes, many people do exactly that, to differentiate it from white asparagus.

As for rape, "forcible rape" is a legitimate and sometimes necessary distinction - for example, a 14 year old girl who consents to sex with a 21 year old man has been raped, but it isn't "forcible" rape. The real problem is dickheads like Akin and many other Republicans who use the term to try to delegitimatize other types of rape as "not really rape" in order to pass more stringent abortion restrictions, or to protect large companies form victims' lawsuits, etc


That's what I was thinking, but didn't convey. Everyone knows the differences between statutory (creepy, but not violent) and rape rape. They are using "forcible" as though there is some other kind between two adults. For starters, it serves to devalue the rapes of unconscious victims, something so common that just in my own circle of friends, two of them have been attacked in such a manner. I'm sure that Akin and his ilk would perform all manner of mental gymnastics to claim that these really aren't rapes, but just unfortunate outcomes for women who dared to go out one night dressed to flirt.

And frankly, I didn't even know white asparagus existed, lol. I have a big bunch in the fridge which I looked at just before making the post.
 
2012-08-21 01:37:31 PM  

rocky_howard: ModernPrimitive01: Don't kid yourself, date rape is still just plain old rape.

That's my point. We should discourage the term "date rape". If something it's rape, it's rape. No need to sugar coat it or put it into a context that can be confusing or exploited by rapists.


Prett