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(ESPN)   I for one can't wait to see the Jacksonville/London Jaguars face the Buffalo/Toronto Bills   (espn.go.com) divider line 49
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2012-08-21 12:15:31 AM
My money is on the London Silly Nannies.
 
2012-08-21 12:21:52 AM
I'm sure there will be a drop in season ticket prices to reflect the reduced product....RIGHT?
 
2012-08-21 12:22:05 AM
GO ABERDEEN
 
2012-08-21 12:24:22 AM

UNC_Samurai: I'm sure there will be a drop in season ticket prices to reflect the reduced product....RIGHT?


huh? there are fewer home games. thus there is a reduction in the total supply of home tickets, accompanied by a steady demand. thus, its only natural the reduced supply is met with an increased price.
 
2012-08-21 12:55:39 AM
The St. Louis Rams had been scheduled to play a home game in London in 2013 and 2014, but they pulled out last week, citing a need to focus on lease negotiations and ease fan discontent.

At least Jacksonville won't have that problem. They don't have any fans.
 
2012-08-21 12:56:07 AM
I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.
 
2012-08-21 01:10:56 AM

thisiszombocom: UNC_Samurai: I'm sure there will be a drop in season ticket prices to reflect the reduced product....RIGHT?

huh? there are fewer home games. thus there is a reduction in the total supply of home tickets, accompanied by a steady demand. thus, its only natural the reduced supply is met with an increased price.


On the secondary market yes, but the first sale of tickets isn't very much of a free market. The Jaguars get to determine that by themselves since there's no direct competition from other vendors or manufacturers (like you can with Wal Mart vs.Target or Coke vs. Pepsi) so assuming they keep the price the same as previous years, one less home game would mean less of a price for the initial season ticket holder assuming the Jacksonville people aren't forced to buy a London ticket to get the rest of them.
 
2012-08-21 01:14:26 AM

davidphogan: I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.


The only way I see it working out is if you give the London team a long streak of road games at the beginning and end of the season where they can stay in the USA, and then give them a huge home stand in the middle of the season where each team that comes out to play them gets a bye week before or after the game. And even that would probably still have a little detrimental effect on the players.
 
2012-08-21 01:21:21 AM
Oh no, jet lag! How will these poor people manage? It's not that complicated. West Coast teams play on the east coast the week before, then take a grueling* 6 hour flight to London. Then they have their bye week.

*routine
 
2012-08-21 01:23:38 AM

12349876: davidphogan: I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.

The only way I see it working out is if you give the London team a long streak of road games at the beginning and end of the season where they can stay in the USA, and then give them a huge home stand in the middle of the season where each team that comes out to play them gets a bye week before or after the game. And even that would probably still have a little detrimental effect on the players.


That's fine and dandy until the London team gets 'home field advantage' during the playoffs.

Plus, what Division/Conference would they be in?

inquiring minds, etc.
 
2012-08-21 01:34:19 AM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Oh no, jet lag! How will these poor people manage? It's not that complicated. West Coast teams play on the east coast the week before, then take a grueling* 6 hour flight to London. Then they have their bye week.

*routine


London is 5 time zones from East Coast Time.
 
2012-08-21 01:42:14 AM

ZMugg: 12349876: davidphogan: I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.

The only way I see it working out is if you give the London team a long streak of road games at the beginning and end of the season where they can stay in the USA, and then give them a huge home stand in the middle of the season where each team that comes out to play them gets a bye week before or after the game. And even that would probably still have a little detrimental effect on the players.

That's fine and dandy until the London team gets 'home field advantage' during the playoffs.

Plus, what Division/Conference would they be in?

inquiring minds, etc.


Yep, that's the main difficulty, especially if they were a 4 seed and were joined by the 6 seed in the conference championship.
 
2012-08-21 01:46:12 AM
Weird that they didn't go with the Vikings considering they'll be basically stadiumless for the next four years. But I guess SOMEBODY has to be fans of the Jaguars.
 
2012-08-21 01:49:29 AM
FTFA: "In all honesty, internationally, they don't know the difference between the Jaguars and the Steelers."

Oh, they will. You couldn't run Birmingham City matches in America and expect people to not see the difference.
 
2012-08-21 01:51:35 AM

Hock: Weird that they didn't go with the Vikings considering they'll be basically stadiumless for the next four years. But I guess SOMEBODY has to be fans of the Jaguars.


www.meteorologynews.com
 
2012-08-21 01:52:48 AM

flak attack: The St. Louis Rams had been scheduled to play a home game in London in 2013 and 2014, but they pulled out last week, citing a need to focus on lease negotiations and ease fan discontent.

At least Jacksonville won't have that problem. They don't have any fans.


I know they're a joke at present, but if this means the Rams are more likely to stay in StL, I'm all for it.
 
2012-08-21 01:58:25 AM
You know you a NASCAR fan when you see Loudon.

Go fast
 
2012-08-21 02:02:12 AM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Oh no, jet lag! How will these poor people manage? It's not that complicated. West Coast teams play on the east coast the week before, then take a grueling* 6 hour flight to London. Then they have their bye week.

*routine


The much bigger problem is TV.

A London team just can't play Sun/Mon/Thurs night football games. They also don't have a local broadcast zone in an area CBS or FOX covers. Right now things are pretty balanced, and having the AFC/NFC should come close to averaging out, but moving one of those teams outside of the US for 16 weeks seems like it would pose a challenge to the TV contracts.

As it stands for a one week a year gimmick it's not a bad deal for anyone, but making a team a permanent home team outside North America seems like it would be a challenge given the current scheduling format. If they won the Superbowl would ESPN or NBC be happy they could never have them on Monday or Sunday night football the season afterward because of time zones?
 
2012-08-21 02:02:41 AM

flak attack: The St. Louis Rams had been scheduled to play a home game in London in 2013 and 2014, but they pulled out last week, citing a need to focus on lease negotiations and ease fan discontent.

At least Jacksonville won't have that problem. They don't have any fans.


Thats a cover story. If I remember their stadium contract basically requires all home games to be played there or something of the sort. There was a thread on this around the start of the year
 
2012-08-21 02:45:21 AM
It would take a miracle for Toronto to get an nfl team. If it doesn't involve the leafs, they aren't interested. It is not a sports town.
 
2012-08-21 03:12:14 AM

davidphogan: I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.


Also, good luck attracting free agents. Fewer creature comforts and an obscene tax rate suck a lot, to name just two
 
2012-08-21 03:21:22 AM
W.T.F.?!?!?eleventy

I thought the Vikes were coming over. I'm going to be pissed if that's not the case, now that I got my hopes up.
 
2012-08-21 04:02:31 AM

Hock: Weird that they didn't go with the Vikings considering they'll be basically stadiumless for the next four years. But I guess SOMEBODY has to be fans of the Jaguars.


The Vikings were reported front runners as of this weekend (NFL.com I think reported)... The only thing I can imagine is the NFL demanded a four year commitment, which the Vikings can't meet (new MN stadium will be finished before fourth year).
 
2012-08-21 04:04:32 AM

davidphogan: I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.


The only thing I can figure that'd semi-work is they establish a Euro Division. That'd take four teams though.
 
2012-08-21 04:22:27 AM

HaywoodJablonski: davidphogan: I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.

Also, good luck attracting free agents. Fewer creature comforts and an obscene tax rate suck a lot, to name just two


Fair point on the tax rate, but what the hell in the way of creature comforts does farking Jacksonville have that the richest city in Western Europe doesn't?
 
2012-08-21 05:36:31 AM
I want to know how a player is taxed on that game check. I'm sure there are deductions and whatnot, but if a player earns game check in Florida they don't have to pay a state income tax; if a player earns a game check in California they have to pay taxes on that amount earned for that game to California.
England has something around a 60% (40% if they don't have to pay the NHC) for top earners. Then you tack on what Uncle Sam wants. Is it really beneficial for players to play these games? Likewise, if the talking points are to be believed, a team (not the players) could make more by playing a game there because the corporate tax rate is less.
I'm sure it has all been worked out, but the players also signed off on letting Goodell be judge, jury, and executioner so they have been known to screw themselves.
 
2012-08-21 06:00:14 AM

caira: HaywoodJablonski: davidphogan: I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.

Also, good luck attracting free agents. Fewer creature comforts and an obscene tax rate suck a lot, to name just two

Fair point on the tax rate, but what the hell in the way of creature comforts does farking Jacksonville have that the richest city in Western Europe doesn't?


Jacksonville has pretty much everything that any other place has. It is the 11th largest incorporated city in the nation. National Parks for nature lovers, surfing, world class restaurants, some of the best golf courses, beach, driving distance to any type of theme park you want, a Mayo clinic if you get sick, artsy stuff. If you want to slam it, we have heard it all before, but it is nothing that different than a San Diego or Charlotte any other city that New Yorkers, Chicagoans, or Los Angeleswhatevers like to make fun of because it isn't their perfection of a city. Some people come and don't leave, some people come and hate it.
 
2012-08-21 06:44:18 AM

ole prophet: I want to know how a player is taxed on that game check. I'm sure there are deductions and whatnot, but if a player earns game check in Florida they don't have to pay a state income tax; if a player earns a game check in California they have to pay taxes on that amount earned for that game to California.
England has something around a 60% (40% if they don't have to pay the NHC) for top earners. Then you tack on what Uncle Sam wants. Is it really beneficial for players to play these games? Likewise, if the talking points are to be believed, a team (not the players) could make more by playing a game there because the corporate tax rate is less.
I'm sure it has all been worked out, but the players also signed off on letting Goodell be judge, jury, and executioner so they have been known to screw themselves.


The UK tax man is pretty good at giving "special dispensation" for athletes in one-off sporting events. One thing is for sure, there's no way we'd ever host the UEFA Champions League final, Rugby World Cup final or the Olympics if we didn't. It wouldn't take a huge leap of faith to suggest that similar arrangements are in place for the NFL International Series (and given how many tickets and how much merchandise is sold with a 20% VAT at that event, HMRC more than makes up for it).

The tax regime however is one reason why there won't be an NFL franchise in London. It's not hard for the wealthy to get around the high-tax system (eg, every Premier League footballer has their own "image rights company") but any NFL player coming to the UK would still be paying more than they would in the US.

They'd also make less too - unless you're Tom Brady, no NFL player is going to get endorsements ahead of any EPL players.

And the other problem? The fans.

NFL London attracts fans from across the UK and even Europe (I make a 400 mile drive to/from Wembley most years) - fans aren't going to do that every other week.

The last two NFL events at Wembley haven't fully sold out and it's glaringly obvious that the teams playing is a big factor. The 49ers / Broncos nd the Bucs / Bears games both had empty seats and tickets were available right up until kick-off. This year, the game sold out in less that a week. Why? Because Tom Brady is playing.

And therein lies the problem with making NFL International anything more than a one-time thing. Fans want to see the best players in the world and they'll make an effort to do so. They aren't going to make an effort if the schedule is London v St Louis, followed by London v Jacksonville, followed by London v Minnesota or something like that.
 
2012-08-21 06:46:58 AM

davidphogan: The much bigger problem is TV.


The much, much bigger problem is that the British don't give much of a crap about the NFL.

The ultimate point of this exercise is the NFL's frankly ridiculous belief that it can expand the game overseas because they are afraid they are hitting the limits of growth in the US.

What they don't get is that Londoners, bolstered by ex-pat Americans, might turn out once a year for the Funny Football Circus; but they really don't care very much about the game or its outcome the way Americans do -- and they never will. They don't play or follow the game growing up, they don't follow college football so they don't have the whole narrative of "So-and-so was a star in the SEC who fell down the draft board in his final year", etc. They don't have any affinity to the team or any natural rivalry with the other teams. Any attempt to make this more than a once-a-year event will be an expensive and embarrassing failure.

The NFL in London is like Formula 1 racing in the US: you'll get some attention for one weekend, and then racing fans will go back to NASCAR and Indy.
 
2012-08-21 07:07:57 AM

caira: HaywoodJablonski: davidphogan: I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.

Also, good luck attracting free agents. Fewer creature comforts and an obscene tax rate suck a lot, to name just two

Fair point on the tax rate, but what the hell in the way of creature comforts does farking Jacksonville have that the richest city in Western Europe doesn't?


Hot wings
Shrimp cocktail
American women
American sports televised at reasonable times
Hot women
Funny comedians
Good weather
Las Vegas/Miami/New York/Chicago/New Orleans within 5 hours no matter where you live
Family and friends in the same/reasonable time zones.

/moved to London 2.5 years ago. I think my opinion has some merit
 
2012-08-21 07:09:25 AM

HaywoodJablonski: caira: HaywoodJablonski: davidphogan: I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.

Also, good luck attracting free agents. Fewer creature comforts and an obscene tax rate suck a lot, to name just two

Fair point on the tax rate, but what the hell in the way of creature comforts does farking Jacksonville have that the richest city in Western Europe doesn't?

Hot wings
Shrimp cocktail
American women
American sports televised at reasonable times
Hot women
Funny comedians
Good weather
Las Vegas/Miami/New York/Chicago/New Orleans within 5 hours no matter where you live
Family and friends in the same/reasonable time zones.

/moved to London 2.5 years ago. I think my opinion has some merit


Also excellent, affordable golf
 
2012-08-21 07:31:23 AM

ole prophet: Jacksonville has pretty much everything that any other place has. It is the 11th largest incorporated city in the nation. National Parks for nature lovers, surfing, world class restaurants, some of the best golf courses, beach, driving distance to any type of theme park you want, a Mayo clinic if you get sick, artsy stuff. If you want to slam it, we have heard it all before, but it is nothing that different than a San Diego or Charlotte any other city that New Yorkers, Chicagoans, or Los Angeleswhatevers like to make fun of because it isn't their perfection of a city. Some people come and don't leave, some people come and hate it.


JAX may have all the things you mention, but it's still a far-flung collection of giant suburbs. To me, that's not a "city." A city has a unique character, and typically a nucleus where much of that character lies. I've been to Jax several times (including one NFL game) and while it's definitely a big city with good restaurants and everything else, it just doesn't feel like one. I don't think that counts as an insult though; it's just how it and many other more modern American cities were designed. It's hardly just you.
 
2012-08-21 07:46:20 AM

stickymichael: NFL player coming to the UK would still be paying more than they would in the US.


Might the players actually come out ahead if they were to be paid in GBP, rather than USD?
 
2012-08-21 07:47:46 AM

UNC_Samurai: I'm sure there will be a drop in season ticket prices to reflect the reduced product....RIGHT?


Bengals GM Mike Brown lights a cigar with a $100 bill and giggles at your naivete.
 
2012-08-21 07:48:21 AM

HaywoodJablonski: caira: HaywoodJablonski: davidphogan: I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.

Also, good luck attracting free agents. Fewer creature comforts and an obscene tax rate suck a lot, to name just two

Fair point on the tax rate, but what the hell in the way of creature comforts does farking Jacksonville have that the richest city in Western Europe doesn't?

Hot wings
Shrimp cocktail
American women
American sports televised at reasonable times
Hot women
Funny comedians
Good weather
Las Vegas/Miami/New York/Chicago/New Orleans within 5 hours no matter where you live
Family and friends in the same/reasonable time zones.

/moved to London 2.5 years ago. I think my opinion has some merit


And you forgot good Tex-Mex/Mexican food.
 
2012-08-21 07:56:04 AM
As a Buffalo fan, I hate the Torono series with every fiber of my being.

It surrenders home field advantage once a year in the name of a cynical, ennecessary, and naked cash-grab by a franchise that was already extremely profitable without it. The real NFL fans in southern Ontario would rather drive down to Buffalo anyway, as they've always done, where they can actually tailgate and have a real NFL experience in a real football stadium.

Plus I hate the idea of sharing a football team with anybody, much less a city that's a bitter rival in hockey.
 
2012-08-21 08:01:49 AM

digistil: HaywoodJablonski: caira: HaywoodJablonski: davidphogan: I just don't get how a London team could work well. Time zones seem like they'd screw things up. Mon and Sun night games would be out, or on at ridiculous times for the home audience.

West Coast teams already have a bad jet lag deal, adding London to the schedule just seems like it would be a disaster.

Also, good luck attracting free agents. Fewer creature comforts and an obscene tax rate suck a lot, to name just two

Fair point on the tax rate, but what the hell in the way of creature comforts does farking Jacksonville have that the richest city in Western Europe doesn't?

Hot wings
Shrimp cocktail
American women
American sports televised at reasonable times
Hot women
Funny comedians
Good weather
Las Vegas/Miami/New York/Chicago/New Orleans within 5 hours no matter where you live
Family and friends in the same/reasonable time zones.

/moved to London 2.5 years ago. I think my opinion has some merit

And you forgot good Tex-Mex/Mexican food.


Thanks for reminding me. :(
 
2012-08-21 08:18:20 AM

dickfreckle: ole prophet: Jacksonville has pretty much everything that any other place has. It is the 11th largest incorporated city in the nation. National Parks for nature lovers, surfing, world class restaurants, some of the best golf courses, beach, driving distance to any type of theme park you want, a Mayo clinic if you get sick, artsy stuff. If you want to slam it, we have heard it all before, but it is nothing that different than a San Diego or Charlotte any other city that New Yorkers, Chicagoans, or Los Angeleswhatevers like to make fun of because it isn't their perfection of a city. Some people come and don't leave, some people come and hate it.

JAX may have all the things you mention, but it's still a far-flung collection of giant suburbs. To me, that's not a "city." A city has a unique character, and typically a nucleus where much of that character lies. I've been to Jax several times (including one NFL game) and while it's definitely a big city with good restaurants and everything else, it just doesn't feel like one. I don't think that counts as an insult though; it's just how it and many other more modern American cities were designed. It's hardly just you.


I can understand that. I live at the beach and curse the times that I cross the ditch for any reason other than a Jags game or a good paycheck.
 
2012-08-21 10:07:12 AM

ole prophet: Jacksonville has pretty much everything that any other place has. It is the 11th largest incorporated city in the nation. National Parks for nature lovers, surfing, world class restaurants, some of the best golf courses, beach, driving distance to any type of theme park you want, a Mayo clinic if you get sick, artsy stuff. If you want to slam it, we have heard it all before, but it is nothing that different than a San Diego or Charlotte any other city that New Yorkers, Chicagoans, or Los Angeleswhatevers like to make fun of because it isn't their perfection of a city. Some people come and don't leave, some people come and hate it


Not to shiat on Jacksonville since I've never been there, but while they're the 11th largest they also have a ridiculously larger amount of land area than pretty much every other city on the list. I don't see how that can feel cohesive.
 
2012-08-21 10:07:55 AM
And someone posted pretty much the exact same thing as me. I should keep reading.
 
2012-08-21 10:12:37 AM

czetie: The ultimate point of this exercise is the NFL's frankly ridiculous belief that it can expand the game overseas because they are afraid they are hitting the limits of growth in the US.


The latter part of that is what I really don't understand. There are football-crazy areas of the US that would KILL for a franchise (Nebraska, Alabama, Oregon, etc.). Why not go for the sure-thing and expand to places like that instead of a huge gamble on currently indifferent European fans?
 
2012-08-21 10:18:55 AM

RedZoneTuba: czetie: The ultimate point of this exercise is the NFL's frankly ridiculous belief that it can expand the game overseas because they are afraid they are hitting the limits of growth in the US.

The latter part of that is what I really don't understand. There are football-crazy areas of the US that would KILL for a franchise (Nebraska, Alabama, Oregon, etc.). Why not go for the sure-thing and expand to places like that instead of a huge gamble on currently indifferent European fans?


Because a small percentage of the London market can generate a lot more money than the entire Omaha market. Plus I don't think the NFL would ever beat out the colleges in some of those areas. Too much history.
 
2012-08-21 10:44:49 AM

UncleStumpy: It would take a miracle for Toronto to get an nfl team. If it doesn't involve the leafs, they aren't interested. It is not a sports town.


As a CFL fan I still can't believe that MLSE strong-armed the city of Toronto to build BMO field in such a way that the Argos couldn't use it. If I recall correctly one of the initial conditions was that it be built as a dual purpose soccer/football stadium. I've never been to a game at Rogers Center and frankly I hope I never do. CFL or NFL that place looks like a dump for football.
 
2012-08-21 10:49:12 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Hot wings
Shrimp cocktail
American women
American sports televised at reasonable times
Hot women
Funny comedians
Good weather
Las Vegas/Miami/New York/Chicago/New Orleans within 5 hours no matter where you live
Family and friends in the same/reasonable time zones.


London broads have bigger tits though. At least you got something by moving there besides an ongoing battle with damp weather.
 
2012-08-21 10:58:44 AM

FreakinB: ole prophet: Jacksonville has pretty much everything that any other place has. It is the 11th largest incorporated city in the nation. National Parks for nature lovers, surfing, world class restaurants, some of the best golf courses, beach, driving distance to any type of theme park you want, a Mayo clinic if you get sick, artsy stuff. If you want to slam it, we have heard it all before, but it is nothing that different than a San Diego or Charlotte any other city that New Yorkers, Chicagoans, or Los Angeleswhatevers like to make fun of because it isn't their perfection of a city. Some people come and don't leave, some people come and hate it

Not to shiat on Jacksonville since I've never been there, but while they're the 11th largest they also have a ridiculously larger amount of land area than pretty much every other city on the list. I don't see how that can feel cohesive.


College football and Southern rock.

Florida, Florida State, and Georgia flags are everywhere, but you better be a fan of one if you talk bad about the others.

And it is one of the few places you will see and hear a slammed caddy blasting Free Bird.
 
2012-08-21 11:06:38 AM

mikaloyd: HaywoodJablonski: Hot wings
Shrimp cocktail
American women
American sports televised at reasonable times
Hot women
Funny comedians
Good weather
Las Vegas/Miami/New York/Chicago/New Orleans within 5 hours no matter where you live
Family and friends in the same/reasonable time zones.

London broads have bigger tits though. At least you got something by moving there besides an ongoing battle with damp weather.


That is demonstrably false. Houston girls are stacked!
 
2012-08-21 01:15:34 PM
To address a few points:

Yes, the season tickets will be cheaper.

Each of Jax's neighborhoods have cohesion, though the city does not. Riverside/Avondale used to be like a smaller, cleaner San Francisco. Jax is HUGE, 840 square miles, every inch of Duval county and some of Nassau.

They can put a football team in Alabama, and we'd love it, but we couldn't afford to go to it. Birmingham? A dying cesspool. Huntsville? We can't support a minor league baseball team, although the arena football games are packed. Most people here just support the Titans.

Jax seems to already have a small following in London, judging by the amounts of email that the Jags sportswriter publishes from Londoners. I think they like that they're named the Jaguars.

It's a good idea. It's good for Jax and for London. And can we PLEASE get a four year break from the "Jags are moving" crap now.
 
2012-08-21 06:43:14 PM
Hey Bunny hows it going?
 
2012-08-21 09:31:09 PM

Doc Daneeka: As a Buffalo fan, I hate the Torono series with every fiber of my being.

It surrenders home field advantage once a year in the name of a cynical, ennecessary, and naked cash-grab by a franchise that was already extremely profitable without it. The real NFL fans in southern Ontario would rather drive down to Buffalo anyway, as they've always done, where they can actually tailgate and have a real NFL experience in a real football stadium.

Plus I hate the idea of sharing a football team with anybody, much less a city that's a bitter rival in hockey.


It's been a long time since the Leafs were good enough to be anyone's rival .
 
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