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(Courier-Journal)   Kentucky Supreme Court rules that the state can continue giving official credit to "Almighty God" for homeland security   (courier-journal.com) divider line 152
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2012-08-21 02:41:25 AM  
No one has mentioned BBspot's 'Bush Proposes Faith Based Firewalls'?

Fark I am disappoint.
 
2012-08-21 03:26:36 AM  
Yeah, God's done a real bang-up job of protecting us. Galveston, Johnstown, Chicago, New Orleans, Peshtigo, San Francisco, and Xenia would have some choice words with him (and those are just off the top of my head).

But what should we expect from a supposedly all-powerful being who supposedly loves humans as his absolute most precious creation, yet throws a hissy fit so large he curses the entire universe because the first two people ate some figs and became smart?
 
2012-08-21 03:45:29 AM  
In a way, this makes sense, because of how much of a crapshoot the TSA is...
 
2012-08-21 03:50:26 AM  

thunderbird8804: The separation of church and state exists as a concept because, given the opportunity, the religious will use the power of the state to further their own religion, and to oppress and destroy people of other religions and denominations, and nonbelievers.


I'd say that the separation of church and state exists as a concept because, prior to the establishment of the United States, every time the English changed kings, they would change the official religion and those belonging to the wrong religion were persecuted.

While I agree that saying God is responsible for "Homeland Security" is pretty damn silly and pointless, it does not further or favor one particular religion over another, nor does it punish non-believers, who still have to suffer through TSA groping just like everyone else.
 
2012-08-21 03:54:44 AM  
If you're going to trust God to protect you, then there isn't much point in spending all the money paying homeland security.
 
2012-08-21 04:05:09 AM  

alienated: Ya know, I love Kentucky. I was last there after the 2008 election to meet my grandpa for the first time ( i was adopted ) , and, aside from all the right wing vote for me signs, in front of churches mind you- it was a beautiful place . I saw more wild turkeys in 20 minutes than i had the rest of my life.
And I was thinking "this could be a nice place to live, only 2 hours from Nashville, a nice lake, etc"
Sigh.

This will end up going to the ScotUs.


Probably....I'd rather they make one more step that irrevocably puts them over the line into advancing one religion over others. Right now, it could be a wobbler. It's still just so easy for them to say "we only said we're thanking god for protecting us...we didn't say which particular god" or else pointing out--as I did above--that there isn't any real issue because they haven't tied homeland security benefits to those who don't believe them. It's as fine a line as the "god we trust" on our money.

I want to give them enough rope to irretrievably hang themselves--get someone to deny DHS benefits to Muslims, for instance--and then it can go. I don't want to revisit this in another five years.
 
2012-08-21 04:06:55 AM  

fusillade762: So he was just asleep on 9/11?


god was punishing the gay, jews and democrats.
ESP the gay, jewish democrats
and catholics
well everyone

god HATES EVERYON
 
2012-08-21 04:55:48 AM  
But in a 2-1 decision, the Court of Appeals reversed that decision and upheld the law, saying it "merely pays lip service to a commonly held belief in the puissance (power) of God" and does not advance religion.

If this interpretation of the law were enforceable, my opinion would be, "It's no big deal; let's move on." That's pretty much my opinion of the presence of "In God We Trust" on American currency.

Unfortunately, these laws seem to make belief in a monotheistic omnipotent deity instrumental in a very important function of government, namely providing for civil defense. I see nothing preventing these laws from being interpreted in such way as to deny atheists employment in the Homeland Security Department, or to punish atheists (or Buddhists, or pagans, or any employees who practice a religion that doesn't believe in an "almighty" god), through civil fines, termination, or other disciplinary action, in the event of a failure of Homeland Security to respond effectively to a terrorist attack or natural catastrophe.If in fact "safety and security of the commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God," than any state employee who refuses to rely on Almighty God is ipso facto incompetent and should not be entrusted to with matters of state security.
 
2012-08-21 07:08:01 AM  

clancifer: The stupid... it burns...


Would make a great t-shirt, wouldn't it?



/Shameless, yes
//As if anyone reads these things
 
2012-08-21 07:40:51 AM  
In other news, Kentucky has a Supreme Court.
 
2012-08-21 07:54:40 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-21 07:57:18 AM  

Irving Maimway: Kentucky also gives aid and comfort to the Creation Museum.

God help me, I want to go, but I can't bear to give those dickwads any money.


By all means go. It's something that can't be described and you will come away with enough material to tell at parties for the rest of your life. That alone is worth the admission price. Just try not to laugh to hard like I did - hold it until you're out in the parking lot. They frown on laughter since the Creation Museum is serious business.  The security guard told me so.

For those of you who think I may have been disrespectful at laughing, tough titties. Some of the brochures I came away with outlining such hot topics such as the radical female agenda, mental instability of homosexuals, educated teachers (that was a good one) I have every right to laugh at them.
 
2012-08-21 08:00:54 AM  
Am I the only one who thinks this is kinda disrespectful to all the people out there actually working at this agency? They do all the work, but God - and not just any god, but ALMIGHTY God - gets the credit. Besides, what the fark does Kentucky need with a STATE department of homeland security? do they think Indiana will come screaming across the second street bridge and ram a 4x4 into the Humana building? (That's in Louisville by the way, home of Derp in chief McConnel)

So you've created a useless and possibly isolated security force, yet another security force for the REAL DHS to coordinate with (not that I'm a big fan, but if they are going to be there, do the damned job) and they attribute all the lack of bad things to God. Did anyone possibly think that maybe islamists don't give a fark about Kentucky? They would much rather bomb LA or NY where the real infidels live?

The stupid just burns holes through to the center of the Earth.
 
2012-08-21 08:22:22 AM  
farking hillbillies. just secede already. rejoin the 19th century like you want. we have airplanes now. we don't need to travel through your back woods to get to florida.
 
2012-08-21 08:22:57 AM  
So the terrorists are on the side of god and we are too. Looks like that god is playing both sides.

I blame the original religious fanatics for all this. Guess who they are?
 
2012-08-21 08:38:04 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: miss diminutive: MaudlinMutantMollusk: surely god wants world peace, too, so what's to be worried about?

Are we talking about the same god here? The Old Testament guy went all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD for several books.

Sorry... I never know which one they're referring to

/It's hard to tell a benevolent god from a vengeful god without a program
//they need numbers on the back of their robes or something


The New Testament one is the one that matters (except when He isn't). See, sometime between the Old Testament and the New Testament, He went to some anger-management classes or something and decided to take it all out on his son/self instead of His people, and now He is a kind and loving God. Except when He isn't.

/See also: the Marcian heresy
 
2012-08-21 08:44:48 AM  
When is this "god" going to release his tax returns?
 
2012-08-21 08:47:35 AM  

Nofun: Nah, I'm just trying to say there are bigger fish to fry here. Is this law really that oppressive that it's worth the legal brouhaha? Maybe to some people it is. Honestly, I don't see how going on a crusade against every public reference to "God" is going help us form a more perfect union or prevent religious bigotry (in fact I think it only deepens the divide). I'd rather pick a more worthy battle like Same-Sex Marriage where someones civil liberties are actually being threatened.


I'd like to think our country and society is advanced enough we can handle more than one problem at a time. It's not like we only have 5 or 6 judges in this country. They can't ALL be handling the same case at the same time.
 
2012-08-21 08:52:56 AM  

ArkAngel: Dinki: But in a 2-1 decision, the Court of Appeals reversed that decision and upheld the law, saying it "merely pays lip service to a commonly held belief in the puissance (power) of God" and does not advance religion.

You know what is really sad? they actually believe that.

The state is not addressing one church over another, nor is it giving money to any religious group or spending it on religious purposes. While at times I think the belief of separation of church and state is argued far too vehemently on either side of the equation, here I think the judges made the right call. If they had ruled against it, it'd be akin to saying every piece of money in the country advances religion because it has "In God We Trust" on it or that a school choir singing Christmas carols advances religion because they mention Jesus.


they do, and it does...

The problem is that because the overwhelming majority of citizens in this country are of the abraham variety, nothing will be done about it... lambs and wolves and all that...
 
2012-08-21 09:24:21 AM  
`I live in NKY. (aka south side of cincinnati), There is nothing here that requires a state level department of "homeland" security. Nothing at all. Period. This is just like the big DHS, a bondoggle to transfer poor(and goddamn most of the people here are dirt poor) taxpayer's money to contractors.

but most of the sea of retards will keep voting against their best interests and keep this shiat going.
 
2012-08-21 09:53:14 AM  
I know life is tough, driving in a Yukon instead of a HMV, living in a 5 bedroom McMansion instead of that nice 10 bedroom Home-a-Roma model, having your kids endure the heathens and the coloreds at public school instead of sending them to a nice anglo-saxon private institute. With all that suffering in your life you had to turn to some saving grace, something or someone that would bring hope, give you light in the darkness of being middle-class.

I know finding Jesus was hard, there's scarcely a place to find him these days what with the war on Jesus and all from the Atheists, and Evolutionists, and whatever deity those brown people worship. I'm surprised you were able to come to Jesus without having your head chopped off, or being crucified. Times are dangerous for Christians... always have been... Seems like all throughout history, calling yourself a christian in public has meant death or dismemberment... or the very least complete and utter public humiliation... And to hear that some brave Christian soul was able to stand up in the face of totalitarian tyranny and reference the "Almighty God", father of your savior, liberator of your suffering, emancipator of your soul in world where being christian means being crucified, either figuratively or literally... Then to have it all yanked away... just like that... it must be difficult to swallow...
All hope of the Christian religion being able to survive is dependent upon God and Christ being present in the government, because there's no way it could survive this dangerous world otherwise... You must fight this, with everything you have, with all your faith, and devotion you must fight this battle. If God is removed from the government, all is lost... There will be no more Christ, no more Christianity, your soul and the souls of your children and grandchildren will all be condemned to Hell because there will be no Christ in America.

If those Atheists and Evolutionists succeed in striking Christ from the government, it will mean the 6th seal has been broken. The antichrist will have risen to power, and the world will burn, and souls will be lost... It will mean the end, your chances of graduating to that 10 bedroom with the HMV in the drive will be lost. Your great tax relief slipped through your grasp, your opportunity given to those who are too lazy to work. The beast will strip it all away, give it to those who are marked.

We are living in the end times indeed, and the only way to keep what you have worked so hard for, the only way to keep the government out of that lottery retirement fund you'll get one day is to keep christ in the government...

But how? You're outgunned, outnumbered, and the Atheists, Evolutionists, and the Gays have the power of the Antichrist on their side.

Don't let them stop you!

Fight!

Fight for your beliefs in the face of a dying oppressed religion!

Kepp GOD in the government, it's the ONLY way your religion will weather the coming storm!

FIGHT!

FIGHT! in the dying of the light!

Do not let it wither and DIE because the Atheists, Evolutionists, and Gays will stomp out your entire religion by removing the words God and Christ, and Jesus, from the government!


/This is seriously how they feel
 
2012-08-21 09:54:31 AM  
Is Kentucky crediting a type 4 or 5 class civilization?
 
2012-08-21 09:56:33 AM  

cfffffgagffacfacfacfacfacccccfcaaffff: So... God gets credit for protecting us...from Himself?


Kinda like a Mafia "protection" racket.

Biff Spiffy: 1. First amendment is federal, doesn't prohibit a state or local government from expressing a view.


The 14th Amendment incorporates the restrictions of the 1st to the states, under existing SCOTUS precedents.
Though there's also the Kentucky Constitution's Section Five.

Biff Spiffy: 2. First amendment prohibits government establishing, endorsing, or impeding a religion.


Among other things. It's also not allowed to establish, endorse, advance, or impede a religious position, such as the existence or nonexistence of God; and must avoid "excessive government entanglement" with religion.

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Yeah, not seeing this as violating rights, any more than "In God we trust" violates rights.


It might be argued to fall within the "ceremonial deism" scope.

Biff Spiffy: USA isn't a secular democracy any more than it's a religious democracy.


Actually, it is; explicitly so, due to the No Religious Test clause. You appear to be confusing a secular democracy, which is it, for an atheist democracy, which it clearly isn't any more than it's a religious democracy.

(Leaving aside a few quibbles about "constitutionally limited democratic republic" versus "democracy"....)

MacWizard: I'd say that the separation of church and state exists as a concept because, prior to the establishment of the United States, every time the English changed kings, they would change the official religion and those belonging to the wrong religion were persecuted.


In part. It's also because the religious felt mundane involvement invariably resulted in corruption of the church, as the Popes so exemplified. The "wall" first was thought of going the other way.
 
2012-08-21 10:38:37 AM  
By the afternoon on Wednesday [after Sept. 11], Secretary Rumsfeld was talking about broadening the objectives of our response and "getting Iraq." Secretary Powell pushed back, urging a focus on al Qaeda. Relieved to have some support, I thanked Colin Powell. "I thought I was missing something here," I vented. "Having been attacked by al Qaeda, for us now to go bombing Iraq in response would be like our invading Mexico after the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor."

Powell shook his head. "It's not over yet." Indeed, it was not. Later in the day, Secy. Rumsfeld complained that there were no decent targets for bombing in Afghanistan and that we should consider bombing Iraq, which, he said, had better targets. At first I thought Rumsfeld was joking. But he was serious and the President did not reject out of hand the idea of attacking Iraq. Instead, he noted that what we needed to do with Iraq was to change the government, not just hit it with more cruise missiles, as Rumsfeld had implied.

Source: Against All Enemies, by Richard Clarke, chapter 1

Such is the absurdity of American democracy that, even though there are absolutely no targets for international terrorism in 9 out of 10 states, every state must get its "fair share" of anti-terrorism money. Thus money is diverted from LA and New York City, which are full of targets, to Podunk Sisters, Kentucky, and Picnic Corners, Alaska.

Some of the real uses of "Homeland Security" dollars include subsidizing a popcorn factory, a goat farm and a petting-zoo. I don't recall in which state, although the names Ohio and Indiana come to mind.

If you want to waste money or channel it to stupid, malicious or simply profitable abuse, simply ensure it is not ear-marked. Even if it is earmarked, it will be wasted 9 times out of 10 in the name of fairness and democracy.

I don't believe terrorists are stupid enough to really care about Kentucky and most of them seem to want to turn the United States INTO Kentucky, especially the domestic variety of terrorists.

It makes as much sense to divert homeland security monies from New York City or Washington, DC, as it does to send them to protect potato farms in Prince Edward Island or snow pack in Nunuvut. All this trashing of American civil, human, and political rights does absolutely nothing to increase safety, which is a different thing from security, or real security.

Parking a Sherman tank on an ice flow in the Canadian North does as much for American security as parking one in a town square of Lexington, Kentucky. It is 100% subsidy for a special interest, namely some corporation or other, and the billionaires and millionaires that own it. This is the only type of job that "job makers" actually make. Every other job, every useful job, is made by the middle or working classes themselves, when they create self-employment or employ their fellow citizens (or illegals, or most likely of all, both).

Even these phoney-baloney jobs are often sent abroad, to Canada because of the rules of NAFTA, or to other countries because of cheap labor, cheap environmental and labor legislation, or simply because that is where the corporations have sent all their manufacturing and other busy work, except for head office jobs.

Giving money to rich people is the worst way to create jobs. The best way is to give it to the poor, who spend every penny they get and thus maximixe the amount of money that goes directly into the purchase of goods, services, and the creation of jobs.
 
2012-08-21 10:40:48 AM  

Nofun: The state wants to credit "Almighty God" in part for homeland security, meh, who cares.


Is this in itself such a bad horrible oppressive thing? Probably not.

It might be just a baby-step, but it's a step down an extremely dark road. The problem with these "little" things is that they are used as precedent by people who have every desire and intention of transforming America into an Islamic-style theocracy, from the Christian perspective. If the law and the principles it represent aren't solid enough and strong enough to prevent the "little" violations, how can it be strong enough to combat the really bad ones? Just where is that dividing line that makes the little things "ok"?
 
2012-08-21 11:18:52 AM  
I'd say he is doing slightly better than TSA
 
2012-08-21 11:45:27 AM  
The top court issued a brief order dated last week denying a petition to review the case. Several citizens represented by the group American Atheists had challenged the law.

Besides not seeing any harm (if I'm reading earlier posts correctly), I get the feeling that the court didn't want to touch this case with an eleven-foot pole, so it got kicked out the courtroom. Perhaps the judges are secretly hoping that the petitioners will pony up the cash to take it to the Supreme Court, where I'm guessing that the same thing will happen.
 
2012-08-21 12:19:04 PM  

arte1953: The top court issued a brief order dated last week denying a petition to review the case. Several citizens represented by the group American Atheists had challenged the law.

Besides not seeing any harm (if I'm reading earlier posts correctly), I get the feeling that the court didn't want to touch this case with an eleven-foot pole, so it got kicked out the courtroom. Perhaps the judges are secretly hoping that the petitioners will pony up the cash to take it to the Supreme Court, where I'm guessing that the same thing will happen.


the strict constructionists on SCOTUS will toss these laws out without even hearing argument.
the 1st amendment on THIS issue is crystal clear.
there isnt ANY wiggle room with semantics

LOL
 
2012-08-21 12:30:13 PM  
Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it:
Except the LORD keep the city, the watchman wakes but in vain. psalm 127:1

Except the Lord keep the city - When the returned Jews began to restore the walls of Jerusalem, and rebuild the city, Sanballat, Tobiah, and others formed plots to prevent it. Nehemiah, being informed of this, set up proper watches and guards. The enemy, finding this, gathered themselves together, and determined to fall upon them at once, and cut them all off. Nehemiah, having gained intelligence of this also, armed his people, and placed them behind the wall. Sanballat and his company, finding that the Jews were prepared for resistance, abandoned their project; and Nehemiah, to prevent surprises of this kind, kept one-half of the people always under arms, while the other half was employed in the work. To this the psalmist alludes; and in effect says, Though you should watch constantly, guard every place, and keep on your armor ready to repel every attack, yet remember the success of all depends upon the presence and blessing of God. While, therefore, ye are not slothful in business, be fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; for there is no success either in spiritual or secular undertakings but in consequence of the benediction of the Almighty. --Clarke's commentary on the bible

All who stand against the Lord will perish.
 
2012-08-21 12:31:48 PM  
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
127:1-5 The value of the Divine blessing. - Let us always look to God's providence. In all the affairs and business of a family we must depend upon his blessing. 1. For raising a family. If God be not acknowledged, we have no reason to expect his blessing; and the best-laid plans fail, unless he crowns them with success. 2. For the safety of a family or a city. Except the Lord keep the city, the watchmen, though they neither slumber nor sleep, wake but in vain; mischief may break out, which even early discoveries may not be able to prevent. 3. For enriching a family. Some are so eager upon the world, that they are continually full of care, which makes their comforts bitter, and their lives a burden. All this is to get money; but all in vain, except God prosper them: while those who love the Lord, using due diligence in their lawful callings, and casting all their care upon him, have needful success, without uneasiness or vexation. Our care must be to keep ourselves in the love of God; then we may be easy, whether we have little or much of this world. But we must use the proper means very diligently. Children are God's gifts, a heritage, and a reward; and are to be accounted blessings, and not burdens: he who sends mouths, will send meat, if we trust in him. They are a great support and defence to a family. Children who are young, may be directed aright to the mark, God's glory, and the service of their generation; but when they are gone into the world, they are arrows out of the hand, it is too late to direct them then. But these arrows in the hand too often prove arrows in the heart, a grief to godly parents. Yet, if trained according to God's word, they generally prove the best defence in declining years, remembering their obligations to their parents, and taking care of them in old age. All earthly comforts are uncertain, but the Lord will assuredly comfort and bless those who serve him; and those who seek the conversion of sinners, will find that their spiritual children are their joy and crown in the day of Jesus Christ.
 
2012-08-21 01:34:44 PM  

y_o_u___u: Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
127:1-5 The value of the Divine blessing. - Let us always look to God's providence. In all the affairs and business of a family we must depend upon his blessing. 1. For raising a family. If God be not acknowledged, we have no reason to expect his blessing; and the best-laid plans fail, unless he crowns them with success. 2. For the safety of a family or a city. Except the Lord keep the city, the watchmen, though they neither slumber nor sleep, wake but in vain; mischief may break out, which even early discoveries may not be able to prevent. 3. For enriching a family. Some are so eager upon the world, that they are continually full of care, which makes their comforts bitter, and their lives a burden. All this is to get money; but all in vain, except God prosper them: while those who love the Lord, using due diligence in their lawful callings, and casting all their care upon him, have needful success, without uneasiness or vexation. Our care must be to keep ourselves in the love of God; then we may be easy, whether we have little or much of this world. But we must use the proper means very diligently. Children are God's gifts, a heritage, and a reward; and are to be accounted blessings, and not burdens: he who sends mouths, will send meat, if we trust in him. They are a great support and defence to a family. Children who are young, may be directed aright to the mark, God's glory, and the service of their generation; but when they are gone into the world, they are arrows out of the hand, it is too late to direct them then. But these arrows in the hand too often prove arrows in the heart, a grief to godly parents. Yet, if trained according to God's word, they generally prove the best defence in declining years, remembering their obligations to their parents, and taking care of them in old age. All earthly comforts are uncertain, but the Lord will assuredly comfort and bless those who serve him; and those who seek the conversion of sinn ...


You can believe whatever you want about your deity blessing and protecting you, I'll just go ahead and protect myself in case he's too busy that day helping Tebow win another game.
 
2012-08-21 01:46:12 PM  
Isn't this the state that petitioned ACT to make a version of their test JUST for Kentucky, where questions on the subject of evolution would be given the option to answer that it's merely a theory or opinion, and not real science?

Given that Missouri just tried to get a new "right to public prayer" law passed with a nice little codicil to allow students to reject coursework which goes against their religious beliefs, this worries me greatly.

I foresee National Geographic maps in another 10 years will start putting BEYOND HERE THERE BE DRAGONS over the oceanic areas.
 
2012-08-21 02:48:49 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: miss diminutive: MaudlinMutantMollusk: surely god wants world peace, too, so what's to be worried about?

Are we talking about the same god here? The Old Testament guy went all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD for several books.

Sorry... I never know which one they're referring to

/It's hard to tell a benevolent god from a vengeful god without a program
//they need numbers on the back of their robes or something


Can I pick the numbers, how about i and √-1 for their numbers.

I can't figure out exactly why they think they need an imaginary character to be thankful. It almost makes me feel like they realize they're that incompotent.
 
2012-08-21 04:40:30 PM  
fact of the matter is you could have every single person enlisted as a soldier, have tens of thousands of nukes at your disposal, have AI video cameras guarding everything, and still, even as prepared as that, without Almighty God, you are totally boned.
 
2012-08-21 04:49:50 PM  

y_o_u___u: fact of the matter is you could have every single person enlisted as a soldier, have tens of thousands of nukes at your disposal, have AI video cameras guarding everything, and still, even as prepared as that, without Almighty God, you are totally boned.


Even with your God, you'd be boned. There's nobody making food in this hellish reality where everybody is a soldier. When the MREs run out, everybody's going to starve to death.
 
2012-08-21 04:59:54 PM  

y_o_u___u: fact of the matter is you could have every single person enlisted as a soldier, have tens of thousands of nukes at your disposal, have AI video cameras guarding everything, and still, even as prepared as that, without Almighty God, you are totally boned.


So bad things don't happen to people that believe in god?
 
2012-08-21 06:14:47 PM  

JuggleGeek: y_o_u___u: fact of the matter is you could have every single person enlisted as a soldier, have tens of thousands of nukes at your disposal, have AI video cameras guarding everything, and still, even as prepared as that, without Almighty God, you are totally boned.

So bad things don't happen to people that believe in god?


Bad things happen to people that have faith all the time. That's just testing their faith. Or the devil subverting God's "plan". When the rest of us get it, it's divine retribution. Like how he gets so pissed off at us for "playing God" by having abortions, but a menopausal mother well past child-bearing age is perfectly fine to put her premature kid on life-support because it was God's will that she got pregnant.
 
2012-08-21 07:57:03 PM  

socoloco: So the terrorists are on the side of god and we are too. Looks like that god is playing both sides.

I blame the original religious fanatics for all this. Guess who they are?


Now THAT's trollin'.

Do we blame the fundamentalist lunatic Muslims for 9/11, or praise the Christian god for keeping us safe since? Answer: it's the Jews' fault. Genius.
 
2012-08-21 08:09:29 PM  
The USA is the greatest country in the world because of the ubiquity of people who have Christian faith praying and worshiping the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
 
2012-08-21 08:20:32 PM  

y_o_u___u: The USA is the greatest country in the world because of the ubiquity of people who have Christian faith praying and worshiping the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


I thought the Middle East was God's chosen place on Earth.

We also allow all other religions here too, shouldn't that be making God angry?
 
2012-08-21 10:15:53 PM  

y_o_u___u: The USA is the greatest country in the world because of the ubiquity of people who have Christian faith praying and worshiping the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


Other countries, such as Guatemala, the Philippines, the Congo, are more Christian than the USA.
Why don't you go live there and see how great they are.

Oh, and...
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2012-08-21 10:16:27 PM  

y_o_u___u: The USA is the greatest country in the world because of the ubiquity of people who have Christian faith praying and worshiping the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


You keep on clinging to that notion...
 
2012-08-21 10:17:56 PM  

y_o_u___u: without Almighty God, you are totally boned.


According to your books of spells and fables, Mary, even with Almighty God, got totally boned.
 
2012-08-22 12:39:59 AM  

0Icky0: y_o_u___u: without Almighty God, you are totally boned.

According to your books of spells and fables, Mary, even with Almighty God, got totally boned.


Not to mention that poor Job guy.
 
2012-08-22 01:13:23 AM  
y_o_u___u: [obvious troll is obvious]

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2012-08-23 01:45:11 AM  
He gasps for breath, staring down at his mother and his beloved disciple John, and all the rest whose sins He, now, today, presently, was dying for. There was no question that it was worth it. Why then did he pray for that cup to be taken away from him? Because of necessity. If there was any other way that billions of men could be saved apart from his brutal torture suffering and death, that is to
say, if his crucifixion wasn't merely vanity and a pompous show of vain love, then there would be no need of him to drink that bitter cup of the wrath of God. Imagine how much wrath God had against sin before Jesus died for our sins. Imagine every child who has been raped, every cheating, every theft, every adultery, ever blasphemy, every murder or even a killing since some people make a difference, every lie, every sin, piled on you. He gasps for another breath. Infinite thoughts fill his head, him being God and all. He imagines your face, mine, my parents', even Thomas the doubter, even Peter who denied him, he sees their hearts. He gasps for another breath. In a moment, a thousand years pass. His omniscience is yet with him, being 100% god and 100% man. He loves. He loves you more than all the mothers have ever loved all the babies ever born combined and multiplied by infinity, and the fathers, combined with all the love every child has ever had for their parents, up and down the whole chain of genealogy to grandkids and grandparents. He, constantly, loves you more than that. If his crucifixion wasn't necessary for your salvation, if his bitter suffering, and humiliation, wasn't absolutely necessary for you to live, and rejoice, then he wouldn't have done it. The death of Christ was not vanity, it was necessity. He gasps for another breath. And finally, finally, his last, glorious breath, comes. And he says IT IS FINISHED. So you bloody well better rejoice.
 
2012-08-23 03:32:14 AM  

y_o_u___u: The death of Christ was not vanity, it was necessity. He gasps for another breath. And finally, finally, his last, glorious breath, comes. And he says IT IS FINISHED. So you bloody well better rejoice.


He got better though..didn't he?
If somebody dies for me I bloody well expect them to stay dead.

Jesus had a bad weekend for your sins.
 
2012-08-23 03:41:36 AM  
While we all appreciate the monty python reference, you betta check yourself before you wreck yourself
 
2012-08-23 03:43:06 AM  
What happens when YOU stay dead 0Icky0
 
2012-08-23 03:44:12 AM  
I post because I'm compelled by the evidence I've seen, and I urge you to believe.
 
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