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(Wired)   Fark-ready headline: "Java Judge Orders Google to Re-Check Drawers for Sock Puppets"   (wired.com) divider line 20
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2012-08-20 05:05:56 PM
Boy, that's a jargon-heavy headline.
 
2012-08-20 05:21:31 PM
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2012-08-20 05:37:33 PM
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2012-08-20 06:34:43 PM
please help me understand what i just read
 
2012-08-20 07:02:42 PM
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2012-08-20 07:18:41 PM

wildsilverfox: please help me understand what i just read


Both Google and Oracle were ordered to provide lists of paid commentators - "sock puppets", shills who were paid by either company and who may have or did comment on this case. (Oracle lost the case, but the judge is curious as to who said what during the case.)

Oracle did, Google didn't and claimed that there were so many of them that it'd be impossible to do so. The judge told Google to basically stop whining and make with the list.
 
2012-08-20 07:59:08 PM

FormlessOne: wildsilverfox: please help me understand what i just read

Both Google and Oracle were ordered to provide lists of paid commentators - "sock puppets", shills who were paid by either company and who may have or did comment on this case. (Oracle lost the case, but the judge is curious as to who said what during the case.)

Oracle did, Google didn't and claimed that there were so many of them that it'd be impossible to do so. The judge told Google to basically stop whining and make with the list.


"Okay, your honor, here it is" [dumps printout of everyone who's ever received a check from Google on Judge's desk]. "They're definitely in there."
 
2012-08-20 08:16:40 PM
Why can't Google pay bloggers? What is the issue here?
 
2012-08-20 08:25:11 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Why can't Google pay bloggers? What is the issue here?


Uh, they can. IIRC Google and Oracle both made reference to blogs/news articles/reporters at one point or another in the case. The judge wants a list of ones receiving money from the two parties.

Oracle's response of "just this one" is absolutely jarring.
 
2012-08-20 08:32:42 PM
I like Google, 'cause it's free
I like the Java Judge and he likes me...
 
2012-08-20 09:57:56 PM
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2012-08-20 11:00:09 PM

jjorsett: FormlessOne: wildsilverfox: please help me understand what i just read

Both Google and Oracle were ordered to provide lists of paid commentators - "sock puppets", shills who were paid by either company and who may have or did comment on this case. (Oracle lost the case, but the judge is curious as to who said what during the case.)

Oracle did, Google didn't and claimed that there were so many of them that it'd be impossible to do so. The judge told Google to basically stop whining and make with the list.

"Okay, your honor, here it is" [dumps printout of everyone who's ever received a check from Google on Judge's desk]. "They're definitely in there."


That would be a starting point, you could limit it to checks from the PR department then eliminate major projects that are obviously not bloggers.

I think that this is good. I don't know for sure though. I'd complain about the sock puppets, but I think shill-like typing is easy enough to spot, paid or not.
 
2012-08-20 11:02:44 PM
Interesting, since I literally keep a sock puppet in the drawer of my work desk.
 
2012-08-20 11:11:28 PM
It's Google, they've driven businesses into near-bankruptcy trying to bring IP cases against them. Their lawyers wrote my in-laws a letter that admitted that Google was violating trademark law and would stop when courts ruled that the laws specifically applied to Google.

Essentially, their adsense program is illegal. If a company has trademarked their name, nobody else is permitted to make money on that business name, especially when they are trying to transact with that business withou the permission of the company.

Through Adwords/Adsense, anyone is permitted by Google to bid up anything. They end up paying $5.00 or more per clickthrough on their own name because direct competitors in their niche will bid it up at least that high. If my in-laws did not partipate people typing their company's name into the searchbar would hijack their business. Most of their clientele are computer illiterate and always type URLs into Google to find a website.

Thus, Google forces them to participate.

You can't take out a Yellow Pages ad under the name of a competitor and steal their business. But Google has done just this. Pay protection money or your nice little business will disappear. And sure it's not legal, but who has the pockets deep enough to force them to not permit others to bid on registered trademarks?

Their arrogance is astonishing. And thus far well-founded.
 
2012-08-20 11:56:17 PM
Personally I side with Google because Ellison is a worthless sack of shiat, not because Google sends me checks every month.
 
2012-08-21 12:03:31 AM
Sounds like google won, but was trying to be cool about it. Then oracle gets all biatchy about it. Google just needs to show up with a mountain of data and say "here ya go, biatches"
 
2012-08-21 12:07:04 AM

jjorsett: FormlessOne: wildsilverfox: please help me understand what i just read

Both Google and Oracle were ordered to provide lists of paid commentators - "sock puppets", shills who were paid by either company and who may have or did comment on this case. (Oracle lost the case, but the judge is curious as to who said what during the case.)

Oracle did, Google didn't and claimed that there were so many of them that it'd be impossible to do so. The judge told Google to basically stop whining and make with the list.

"Okay, your honor, here it is" [dumps printout of everyone who's ever received a check from Google on Judge's desk]. "They're definitely in there."


Yep!
 
2012-08-21 03:21:25 AM

MrEricSir: Personally I side with Google because Ellison is a worthless sack of shiat, not because Google sends me checks every month.


Larry Ellison isn't worth the fetid sweat under the ballsack of a dead pimp.
 
2012-08-21 04:08:50 AM
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2012-08-21 07:43:18 AM

BolloxReader: It's Google, they've driven businesses into near-bankruptcy trying to bring IP cases against them. Their lawyers wrote my in-laws a letter that admitted that Google was violating trademark law and would stop when courts ruled that the laws specifically applied to Google.

Essentially, their adsense program is illegal. If a company has trademarked their name, nobody else is permitted to make money on that business name, especially when they are trying to transact with that business withou the permission of the company.

Through Adwords/Adsense, anyone is permitted by Google to bid up anything. They end up paying $5.00 or more per clickthrough on their own name because direct competitors in their niche will bid it up at least that high. If my in-laws did not partipate people typing their company's name into the searchbar would hijack their business. Most of their clientele are computer illiterate and always type URLs into Google to find a website.

Thus, Google forces them to participate.

You can't take out a Yellow Pages ad under the name of a competitor and steal their business. But Google has done just this. Pay protection money or your nice little business will disappear. And sure it's not legal, but who has the pockets deep enough to force them to not permit others to bid on registered trademarks?

Their arrogance is astonishing. And thus far well-founded.


http://support.google.com/adwordspolicy/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=61 1 8
 
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