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(RealClearPolitics)   Reporter, "President Obama are you comfortable with your campaign calling Mr. Romney a felon?" Barack, "No one called him a felon." Thankfully, no one recorded his campaign saying that   (realclearpolitics.com) divider line 268
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2012-08-20 03:33:22 PM  
Looks like the campaign needs to bring him up to speed on their little side mission.
 
2012-08-20 03:33:49 PM  
Inb4 downvote brigade

Also, considering many of the names that have been flung this Presidential election this one is pretty damn tame
 
2012-08-20 03:36:58 PM  
Where's the link to the felon claim?

I love how "upset" conservatives are getting because Obama's campaign has gone "negative." It seems like every other commercial here in Ohio is claiming that Obama is stealing money from your Grandma, hates all small businesses and other such nonsense, but those of course aren't negative, right?
 
2012-08-20 03:37:22 PM  
I like how the first line in this submission is nowhere to be found in the linked article. Gud jorb subs.
 
2012-08-20 03:39:44 PM  

cman: Inb4 downvote brigade

Also, considering many of the names that have been flung this Presidential election this one is pretty damn tame


Both sides are bad so vote Democratic?
 
2012-08-20 03:40:57 PM  
Republicans: Obama is a socialist, America-hating, apologist, Muslim, Kenyan, big-government, white-hating, communist, Teleprompter-reading, tax-and-spend, baby-killing gun-grabber!

Democrats: Romney's company has a proven record of cutting jobs, investing in union-busting companies, outsourcing, and firing people,

Republicans: OMG NEGATIVE CAMPAIGINING CAN'T WE BE CIVIL??!??
 
2012-08-20 03:43:12 PM  

CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

I love how "upset" conservatives are getting because Obama's campaign has gone "negative." It seems like every other commercial here in Ohio is claiming that Obama is stealing money from your Grandma, hates all small businesses and other such nonsense, but those of course aren't negative, right?


They're upset about confronting a Democrat with a spinal column. This one actually fights back, which is clearly unfair.
 
2012-08-20 03:43:20 PM  

cman: Inb4 downvote brigade


this is RCP, not Breitbart. Links don't always get down-voted solely because they are anti Obama, usually it's because they are from useless sites like Breitbart or Hot Air.

Which felony accusation are we referring to? the Romney murdering the old lady, or Romney the tax cheat. Wasn't he former done by a Super PAC and not the campaign?
 
2012-08-20 03:45:58 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Republicans: Obama is a socialist, America-hating, apologist, Muslim, Kenyan, big-government, white-hating, communist, Teleprompter-reading, tax-and-spend, baby-killing gun-grabber!

Democrats: Romney's company has a proven record of cutting jobs, investing in union-busting companies, outsourcing, and firing people,

Republicans: OMG NEGATIVE CAMPAIGINING CAN'T WE BE CIVIL??!??


no shiat.

not to mention the fact that romney is actively LYING at every stump speech and in every commercial about "you didn't build that," LIE, "gutting welfare," LIE, and "obama prevents military from voting in ohio, " LIE.

romney is a pathological and serial liar.
 
2012-08-20 03:46:04 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

I love how "upset" conservatives are getting because Obama's campaign has gone "negative." It seems like every other commercial here in Ohio is claiming that Obama is stealing money from your Grandma, hates all small businesses and other such nonsense, but those of course aren't negative, right?

They're upset about confronting a Democrat with a spinal column. This one actually fights back, which is clearly unfair.


blogs.ajc.com
 
2012-08-20 03:55:02 PM  
I said it before, if I were Obama's campaign chief, I would be out there every day. "Nobody is calling Mitt Romney a felon. We absolutely reject any insinuation that Mitt Romney is a felon. Why, Mitt Romney himself says that Mitt Romney is not a felon, and if you can't trust Romney, you can you trust? No, Mitt Romney is definitely not a felon. Felon."
 
2012-08-20 03:56:30 PM  

FlashHarry: romney is a pathological and serial liar.


No... he's been shown to be a pro-choice, pro-health care, anti-gun pathological and serial liar.

But now he says that he isn't those things anymore, so just trust him.
 
2012-08-20 03:59:23 PM  
HOW DARE DEMOCRATS USE THE TACTICS REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN USING FOR A DECADE!
 
2012-08-20 04:01:32 PM  
Can someone give me a link to someone from the Obama campaign calling Romney a felon?

Not a Super PAC. I've been told that those have nothing to do with the campaign, and are blessed by supply side Jesus.
 
2012-08-20 04:01:57 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: HOW DARE DEMOCRATS USE THE TACTICS REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN USING OF FOR A DECADE! ACCUSED OF USING FOR A DECADE

 
2012-08-20 04:03:08 PM  
Obama is not responsible for killing Osama bin Laden, but he IS responsible for everything his campaign does.
 
2012-08-20 04:05:57 PM  
OK, so RCP-reader/Subby claims there is a recording of the President or his campaign calling Romney a felon. Yet it's nowhere in that article, which is just a 2 paragraph transcript of a CBS interview. So where's the recording?
 
2012-08-20 04:06:54 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: This one actually fights back


We get it. He's black.
 
2012-08-20 04:08:44 PM  

propasaurus: OK, so RCP-reader/Subby claims there is a recording of the President or his campaign calling Romney a felon. Yet it's nowhere in that article, which is just a 2 paragraph transcript of a CBS interview. So where's the recording?


Whitey call Romney a felon?
 
2012-08-20 04:14:15 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: I said it before, if I were Obama's campaign chief, I would be out there every day. "Nobody is calling Mitt Romney a felon. We absolutely reject any insinuation that Mitt Romney is a felon. Why, Mitt Romney himself says that Mitt Romney is not a felon, and if you can't trust Romney, you can you trust? No, Mitt Romney is definitely not a felon. Felon."


I, Barack Obama, take Mitt Romney at his word that he is not a felon. The extent of the crimes perpetrated by one Willard Mitt Romney is not in dispute. I personally have seen no evidence one way or the other that Mittens has laundered any drug money, although others may have. And if you can't take the word of someone who has been accused of associating with cocaine funded terrorists, of killing cancer patients, and of torturing dogs, then who can you trust?
 
2012-08-20 04:20:11 PM  
Most people that are curious about Romney's tax returns, honestly don't think he did anything illegal. They just want people to see what ridiculously low level of taxes he pays - AND that's perfectly legal.

The fact it is legal, makes the point all the more salient.
 
2012-08-20 04:22:46 PM  
Relevant statement in question:

Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter laid out the issue as the Obama team sees it: "Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony."

"Or," she said, "he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments," including layoffs and the outsourcing of jobs.

If the latter is true, she said, it's a "real character and trust issue" that voters should be aware of as they decide who to vote for in the presidential election. If Romney was still at Bain through 2002, he's also "politically responsible for the consequences" of deals that the firm made through then.


Obama is technically correct. Nobody called Romney a felon . A felon is convicted of a felony. Romney is clearly not. Rather, Obama's spokeswoman is suggesting that Romney might've misrepresented his status to the SEC, which could be a felony.
 
2012-08-20 04:25:42 PM  
Similar link: Link

OBAMA: ... I do not think that Governor Romney is somehow responsible for the death of the woman that was portrayed in that ad... But keep in mind: This is an ad that I did not approve, I did not produce, and as far as I can tell, has barely run. I think it ran once.

Now, in contrast, you have Governor Romney creating as a centerpiece of his campaign, this notion that we are taking the work requirement out of welfare, which every single person here who has looked at it says it is patently false. What he is arguing is that we have somehow changed the welfare requirement, the work requirement in our welfare laws, and in fact what happened was that my administration, responding to requests of five governors, including two Republican governors, agreed to approve giving them - those states - some flexibility in how they manage their welfare rolls as long as it produced 20% increases in the number of people who are getting work.
...
They can run the campaign they want, but the truth of the matter is you can't just make stuff up. That is one thing you learn as President of the United States.You get called into account


O'Rly Obama? Have past elections taught you nothing?

Is this the naive man you want to run the country?

Romney 2012...
 
2012-08-20 04:29:05 PM  

RexTalionis: Obama is technically correct. Nobody called Romney a felon . A felon is convicted of a felony. Romney is clearly not. Rather, Obama's spokeswoman is suggesting that Romney might've misrepresented his status to the SEC, which could be a felony.


I think its clear from her reference to the "real character and trust issue" that she was clearly suggesting that Romney did not commit a felony, but that he lied to voters by downplaying his ties to Bain.

But you know. Obama said "you didn't build that", so he wants to take your lemonade stand and also socialisms.
 
2012-08-20 04:30:08 PM  

RexTalionis: Obama is technically correct. Nobody called Romney a felon . A felon is convicted of a felony. Romney is clearly not. Rather, Obama's spokeswoman is suggesting that Romney might've misrepresented his status to the SEC, which could be a felony.


OR, since Romney has never been charged with that crime, "he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments," including layoffs and the outsourcing of jobs.
 
2012-08-20 04:41:52 PM  
Fartt Romney.
 
2012-08-20 04:47:22 PM  

Karac: And if you can't take the word of someone who has been accused of associating with cocaine funded terrorists, of killing cancer patients, and of torturing dogs, then who can you trust?


I just realized something: Obama has never been accused of farking sheep on the White House lawn. Nor has be been accused of feeding poisoned dead rats to Haitian orphans. In fact, he has also never once been accused of stuffing puppies into a blender. Has he ever been accused of kidnapping nuns and selling them into sexual slavery? Not that I'm aware of.
 
2012-08-20 04:57:18 PM  
a friend of mine told me, his old college buddy's brother snorted cocaine off a hooker's back while at a party with oboma. although i never actually confirmed this, it might have happened. and that might be a felony.
 
2012-08-20 04:58:40 PM  

impaler: RexTalionis: Obama is technically correct. Nobody called Romney a felon . A felon is convicted of a felony. Romney is clearly not. Rather, Obama's spokeswoman is suggesting that Romney might've misrepresented his status to the SEC, which could be a felony.

OR, since Romney has never been charged with that crime, "he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments," including layoffs and the outsourcing of jobs.


Correctamundo.

It's not Lee Atwater 1980 / Carl Rove 2000 sleazy but it's every bit as effective as the "Some people are saying" crap they do on Fox and Friends. I'm personally glad to see Democrats who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty for a change.
 
2012-08-20 05:06:06 PM  

RexTalionis: Obama is technically correct. Nobody called Romney a felon


No, all they did was say he might have committed one.

Technically, if Obama raped a cow on the White House lawn he would be guilty of bestiality and cruelty to animals. But technically I didn't say he did that.
 
2012-08-20 05:07:47 PM  
Hey, nobody called Romney a felon. But it would be very easy for him to prove he's not. Just sayin'.
 
2012-08-20 05:09:18 PM  

CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

I love how "upset" conservatives are getting because Obama's campaign has gone "negative." It seems like every other commercial here in Ohio is claiming that Obama is stealing money from your Grandma, hates all small businesses and other such nonsense, but those of course aren't negative, right?


It's a sliding scale.

Republican scale:
Positive ad: "Romney is a great candidate and Obama is a nice guy that didn't completely destroy our country yet, but it's best not to give him any more chances"
Neutral ad: "Obama is certainly going to kill your grandma and he's going to put all soldiers in jail that don't vote for him."
Negative ad: "Obama is a secret muslim Kenyan nubian."

Democratic scale:
Positive ad: [n/a]
Neutral ad: "Romney is a nice guy and we know that Obama is a horrible President, but please vote for Obama anyway."
Negative ad: "Romney actually said this / did this. Look how dumb he is."

So as you can see, Romney has put out hardly any negative ads against Obama, but nearly all of Obama's ads are negative.
 
2012-08-20 05:23:34 PM  

CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

I love how "upset" conservatives are getting because Obama's campaign has gone "negative." It seems like every other commercial here in Ohio is claiming that Obama is stealing money from your Grandma, hates all small businesses and other such nonsense, but those of course aren't negative, right?


This. The best part is, my idiot parents keep complaining about how "Obama has a smear campaign." When I ask about the Romney commercials they say "well at least those are factual."

I don't even know how to argue derp like that.
 
2012-08-20 05:44:36 PM  

InfamousBLT: This. The best part is, my idiot parents keep complaining about how "Obama has a smear campaign." When I ask about the Romney commercials they say "well at least those are factual."

I don't even know how to argue derp like that.


Pull out a computer and use the Internet in front of them.
 
2012-08-20 05:45:42 PM  

CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?


Politico had an article with several Obama lieutenants pushing that suggestion
 
2012-08-20 05:47:58 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: I said it before, if I were Obama's campaign chief, I would be out there every day. "Nobody is calling Mitt Romney a felon. We absolutely reject any insinuation that Mitt Romney is a felon. Why, Mitt Romney himself says that Mitt Romney is not a felon, and if you can't trust Romney, you can you trust? No, Mitt Romney is definitely not a felon. Felon."


Actually that might a patent violation of Fox News broadcasting protocol. I'm pretty sure its also trademarked.
 
2012-08-20 05:52:16 PM  

BravadoGT: CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

Politico had an article with several Obama lieutenants pushing that suggestion

Mitt Romney either lied in federal filings that show he worked at Bain Capital through 2002 and could be guilty of a felony, or has lied to the American people in saying he left the company in 1999, the Obama campaign is arguing in light of news reports on the firm's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.


That's actually a "Romney MAY BE a felon" statement, not a Romney IS a felon statement.

But, linking "Romney" and "felon" was clearly the intent.

But it's OK because Romney retroactively quit...remember?
 
2012-08-20 06:03:19 PM  

InfamousBLT: This. The best part is, my idiot parents keep complaining about how "Obama has a smear campaign." When I ask about the Romney commercials they say "well at least those are factual."

I don't even know how to argue derp like that.


Stick 'em in a home.
 
2012-08-20 06:12:31 PM  

BravadoGT: Politico had an article with several Obama lieutenants pushing that suggestion


From Your Article: The emergence of the SEC filings appears to conflict with that, the Obama campaign contends. There are "literally scores of filings that make it very, very clear that over a period of time that Gov. Romney claims that he was not active with Bain, the Securities and Exchange Commission was informed" that Romney was the chief executive officer, chairman of the board and sole shareholder of the company, Bauer said.

Images of those SEC filings have been posted here lots of times--including records that show Romney was consulted on transactions (like Stericycle) while he was in Utah after he "left" the firm. And that's not counting his 'retroactive' retirement pay. If he wasn't in charge the person who was acting CEO could step up at any time and say "I was in charge, not Romney." In fact in 2002 Bain people admitted they were reporting directly to Romney. I'm sure you'll find a way to argue that black is white and night is day but unlike Romney there's a paper trail doesn't work retroactively.
 
2012-08-20 06:41:59 PM  
Did the Republicans seriously believe that Obama's campaign wasn't going to fight back...?

ok, Republicans listen up. Obama is kicking your asses. you guys have lied, manipulated, spent oodles of cash, 'shaded' the truth...and basically done everything that's in your playbook...and it's not working. Obama not only has a copy of your playbook, he's obviously made sure all his people read it as well. so either you come up with something new and radical, or you fail. this is your chance to show america that you guys have what it takes! quit sniveling, you whiny maggots! get yer heads in the game!
 
2012-08-20 06:48:33 PM  

Weaver95: Did the Republicans seriously believe that Obama's campaign wasn't going to fight back...?

ok, Republicans listen up. Obama is kicking your asses. you guys have lied, manipulated, spent oodles of cash, 'shaded' the truth...and basically done everything that's in your playbook...and it's not working. Obama not only has a copy of your playbook, he's obviously made some improvements sure all his people read it as well. so either you come up with something new and radical, or you fail. this is your chance to show america that you guys have what it takes! quit sniveling, you whiny maggots! get yer heads in the game!

 
2012-08-20 07:04:57 PM  
It's nice to see the President grow a spine.
 
2012-08-20 07:09:15 PM  
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I think i'm actually going to miss this election once it's over.
 
2012-08-20 07:09:54 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: PC LOAD LETTER: HOW DARE DEMOCRATS USE THE TACTICS REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN USING OF FOR A DECADE! ACCUSED OF USING FOR A DECADE


"Sir you are a murderer!"
"Alleged murderer"
 
2012-08-20 07:12:38 PM  
Oh I see that you guys are playing "WHO SAID DAT?" without me.
 
2012-08-20 07:12:57 PM  

BravadoGT: CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

Politico had an article with several Obama lieutenants pushing that suggestion


As somebody else pointed out, he's not a felon...because he hasn't been convicted yet.

He lied on his tax forms, saying he was living in Utah when (according to him) he was living in Massachusetts. How is this not a felony?
 
2012-08-20 07:13:54 PM  
If only there was some proof as to whether or not Romney is a felon. Something easy he could do. Something routine.
 
2012-08-20 07:14:21 PM  
"And, I think that what is absolutely true is if you watch me on the campaign trail, here's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how to put Americans back to work."

Back to work digging graves for the women Romney kills.
Back to work strapping dogs to the top of Romney's car.
 
2012-08-20 07:14:27 PM  
Isn't this rather old news by now? But if the Romney campaign wants to keep reviving the Romney=felon word association, it's okay by me.
Romney felon link
 
2012-08-20 07:15:18 PM  

impaler: InfamousBLT: This. The best part is, my idiot parents keep complaining about how "Obama has a smear campaign." When I ask about the Romney commercials they say "well at least those are factual."

I don't even know how to argue derp like that.

Pull out a computer and use the Internet in front of them.


Dear god, are you trying to get InfamousBLT burned at the stake for witchcraft?
 
2012-08-20 07:16:24 PM  

consider this: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I like how the first line in this submission is nowhere to be found in the linked article. Gud jorb subs.

What's that matter? What subby submitted is exactly what happened earlier today.


[citation needed].

Because all I've heard is that someone said Romney MAY be a felon . And that is absolutely true. Either he lied to the SEC (a felony), or lied to the American people about when he left Bain. There's no middle ground; he's either a felon or your run-of-the-mill liar who's terrified of his base finding out he profited off abortions.
 
2012-08-20 07:20:02 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: This one


What you did there, I sees it.....
 
2012-08-20 07:22:03 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Looks like the campaign needs to bring him up to speed on their little side mission.


You mean Bob Bauer, Stephaine Cutter, and the rest of his campaign are in a total vacuum?

Sounds like you're the one who needs some air. Obama is on board with all the attacks on Romney. To think he's unaware of what's going to be said before it is said makes you pretty gullible.
 
2012-08-20 07:23:00 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Republicans: Obama is a socialist, America-hating, apologist, Muslim, Kenyan, big-government, white-hating, communist, Teleprompter-reading, tax-and-spend, baby-killing gun-grabber!

Democrats: Romney's company has a proven record of cutting jobs, investing in union-busting companies, outsourcing, and firing people,

Republicans: OMG NEGATIVE CAMPAIGINING CAN'T WE BE CIVIL??!??


Evidently not when you act like uncivilized, lying, ruthless primitives. You don't deserve the courtesy of being treated like civilized human beings.
 
2012-08-20 07:24:13 PM  
 
2012-08-20 07:25:09 PM  

consider this: moralpanic: I think i'm actually going to miss this election once it's over.

Considering that a poll released today shows Romney with a 1 point lead, you might be doing more than missing it. Sobbing in a corner sounds about right.


Poll aggregators like 538 show Obama with a 70% chance of winning.
 
2012-08-20 07:25:17 PM  

Sensei Can You See: RexTalionis: Obama is technically correct. Nobody called Romney a felon

No, all they did was say he might have committed one.

Technically, if Obama raped a cow on the White House lawn he would be guilty of bestiality and cruelty to animals. But technically I didn't say he did that.


You're really bad at this. Are you tired? You sound tired.
 
2012-08-20 07:26:16 PM  
He's right. Nobody called Mitt Romney a felon. All anybody said is that lying to the SEC is a felony. Unless Mitt Romney is admitting he lied to the SEC...
 
2012-08-20 07:27:31 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Isn't this rather old news by now? But if the Romney campaign wants to keep reviving the Romney=felon word association, it's okay by me.
Romney felon link


Hey, I don't know that there's any proof that Mitt Romney is a felon. If Mitt Romney is a felon, I think that those who are calling Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney a felon need to lay out the facts about Mitt Romney being a felon. Otherwise, they shouldn't be saying Mitt Romney = felon, because that would not be appropriate. It would also not be appropriate to say that Mitt Romney is a criminal, nor would it be nice and/or apropos to claim that Mitt Romney is an animal abuser, for that matter. And saying something like "Mitt Romney is a tax cheat"? Right out of bounds. "Mitt Romney is a tax cheat." How unproven a statement is that? Mitt Romney, a tax cheat? That certainly hasn't been proven in a court, so for all we know, it isn't true.

Feel free to quote this in your reply. I think it's important that the truth be read about statements like "Mitt Romney is a felon".
 
2012-08-20 07:27:40 PM  

consider this: moralpanic: I think i'm actually going to miss this election once it's over.

Considering that a poll released today shows Romney with a 1 point lead, you might be doing more than missing it. Sobbing in a corner sounds about right.


consider this: moralpanic: I think i'm actually going to miss this election once it's over.

Considering that a poll released today shows Romney with a 1 point lead, you might be doing more than missing it. Sobbing in a corner sounds about right.


Look at this, a newbie: Account created: 2012-07-01 15:59:56 with 5 links approved! You've been a busy, busy boy.

Here's reality with something called an electoral college: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
 
2012-08-20 07:27:49 PM  

Sensei Can You See: Technically, if Obama raped a cow on the White House lawn he would be guilty of bestiality and cruelty to animals. But technically I didn't say he did that.


I guess I missed the memo where Obama was running on a tax platform that included raping cows on the white house lawn.
 
2012-08-20 07:29:51 PM  
Did Obama troll face after answering?
 
2012-08-20 07:30:28 PM  

consider this: moralpanic: I think i'm actually going to miss this election once it's over.

Considering that a poll released today shows Romney with a 1 point lead, you might be doing more than missing it. Sobbing in a corner sounds about right.


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2012-08-20 07:30:31 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Sensei Can You See: Technically, if Obama raped a cow on the White House lawn he would be guilty of bestiality and cruelty to animals. But technically I didn't say he did that.

I guess I missed the memo where Obama was running on a tax platform that included raping cows on the white house lawn.


and for the record Billy Carter was never appointed to any significant position which would have allowed him to propose this legislation
 
2012-08-20 07:32:16 PM  
Whoah. Am I reading this thread right? Are you guys saying that Romney, (and by that I mean Willard Scott Romney) may be a Felon?
And by that I mean someone who is guilty of committing a felony, which is a kind of crime? And a bad, crime, too, the kind you wouldn't want to have a president who is guilty of?

Because that doesn't sound right: Romney, felon. Romney, felon, Romney, felon. See? It even LOOKs funny when you write it like that. Romney Felon Romney Felon Romney Felon Romney Felon.

It seems to lose all meaning when you just repeat it over and over like that, like it just becomes sounds...

Romney Felon Romney Felon Romney Felon Romnoyn Felan Omnon felsan Obomon il felasma Obmoma kil asama Obama killed Osama Robama frelsam Romney felon romney felon

See? Weird.
 
2012-08-20 07:33:32 PM  

consider this: djkutch: Here's reality with something called an electoral college:

Yeah, because winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote wouldn't in any way harm Obama's credibility.


Yeah, there's little chance of that happening. The most likely scenario is that he wins the popular vote with a smaller margin than '08, but still has a very comfortable margin in the EC.
 
2012-08-20 07:34:29 PM  

consider this: djkutch: Here's reality with something called an electoral college:

Yeah, because winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote wouldn't in any way harm Obama's credibility.


You seriously think more people will vote for Rmoney than Obama?

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2012-08-20 07:34:46 PM  

consider this: djkutch: Here's reality with something called an electoral college:

Yeah, because winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote wouldn't in any way harm Obama's credibility.


Like that would change anything with you 'tards.
 
2012-08-20 07:34:55 PM  

bartink: If only there was some proof as to whether or not Romney is a felon. Something easy he could do. Something routine.


That is a doozy of a pickle. I wonder if Mitt looks to his father for advice on situations like this?
 
2012-08-20 07:35:03 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: I said it before, if I were Obama's campaign chief, I would be out there every day. "Nobody is calling Mitt Romney a felon. We absolutely reject any insinuation that Mitt Romney is a felon. Why, Mitt Romney himself says that Mitt Romney is not a felon, and if you can't trust Romney, you can you trust? No, Mitt Romney is definitely not a felon. Felon."


If Mitt Romney were to say he is not a felon, I would take him at his word.
 
2012-08-20 07:37:19 PM  

LiberalWeenie: If Mitt Romney were to say he is not a felon, I would take him at his word.


but you still wouldn't know for sure whether he was in fact a felon.
 
2012-08-20 07:40:21 PM  

HeartBurnKid: consider this: djkutch: Here's reality with something called an electoral college:

Yeah, because winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote wouldn't in any way harm Obama's credibility.

Yeah, there's little chance of that happening. The most likely scenario is that he wins the popular vote with a smaller margin than '08, but still has a very comfortable margin in the EC.


Depends on what Diebold and Ohio voters manage to come up with.

Mark my words: unprecedented ratfarking of the vote in Ohio come November.
 
2012-08-20 07:42:06 PM  

consider this: moralpanic: You seriously think more people will vote for Rmoney than Obama?

What part of "the latest poll shows Romney with a 1 point lead" didn't you understand? As much as you'd like to believe that Obama is immensely more popular than Romney, he isn't. If Obama wins the election, it's going to be by the skin of his teeth.


img189.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-20 07:43:29 PM  

Skleenar: Whoah. Am I reading this thread right? Are you guys saying that Romney, (and by that I mean Willard Scott Romney) may be a Felon?
And by that I mean someone who is guilty of committing a felony, which is a kind of crime? And a bad, crime, too, the kind you wouldn't want to have a president who is guilty of?

Because that doesn't sound right: Romney, felon. Romney, felon, Romney, felon. See? It even LOOKs funny when you write it like that. Romney Felon Romney Felon Romney Felon Romney Felon.

It seems to lose all meaning when you just repeat it over and over like that, like it just becomes sounds...

Romney Felon Romney Felon Romney Felon Romnoyn Felan Omnon felsan Obomon il felasma Obmoma kil asama Obama killed Osama Robama frelsam Romney felon romney felon

See? Weird.


I really doubt that Romney is a felon, but there are places on the Internet where people have argued about whether Romney might be a felon.  Also, they've argued about whether Romney is a whiner.
 
2012-08-20 07:44:47 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: HOW DARE DEMOCRATS USE THE TACTICS REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN USING FOR A DECADE!



A decade?

news.bbc.co.uk
 
2012-08-20 07:44:58 PM  

shotglasss: Nadie_AZ: Looks like the campaign needs to bring him up to speed on their little side mission.

You mean Bob Bauer, Stephaine Cutter, and the rest of his campaign are in a total vacuum?

Sounds like you're the one who needs some air. Obama is on board with all the attacks on Romney. To think he's unaware of what's going to be said before it is said makes you pretty gullible.


What attacks? It seems like all of the Republicans in this thread are just jumping to conclusions. The Obama campaign isn't at all saying that Romney is a felon. They're just theorizing. Asking questions. Presenting possibilities, if you will. As defensive as the Republicans are getting, you'd think they have something to hide...
 
2012-08-20 07:45:53 PM  

consider this: If Obama wins the election, it's going to be by the skin of his teeth.


well seeing that the American people find that the color of the skin of his teeth is a more electable color, i'd say that would only better his chances of winning the election.
 
2012-08-20 07:46:03 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: PC LOAD LETTER: HOW DARE DEMOCRATS USE THE TACTICS REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN USING OF FOR A DECADE! ACCUSED OF USING FOR A DECADE



What being accused looks like

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-20 07:46:16 PM  

Ikaros: PC LOAD LETTER: HOW DARE DEMOCRATS USE THE TACTICS REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN USING FOR A DECADE!


A decade?

[news.bbc.co.uk image 300x300]


Dukakis was actually a tanker dipshiat.

What did Mr. Embassy to Jerusalem ever do to serve his country? I mean the USA, not your country.
 
2012-08-20 07:46:40 PM  

RexTalionis: Relevant statement in question:

Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter laid out the issue as the Obama team sees it: "Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony."

"Or," she said, "he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments," including layoffs and the outsourcing of jobs.

If the latter is true, she said, it's a "real character and trust issue" that voters should be aware of as they decide who to vote for in the presidential election. If Romney was still at Bain through 2002, he's also "politically responsible for the consequences" of deals that the firm made through then.

Obama is technically correct. Nobody called Romney a felon . A felon is convicted of a felony. Romney is clearly not. Rather, Obama's spokeswoman is suggesting that Romney might've misrepresented his status to the SEC, which could be a felony.


It's obviously not a felony because Romney is very wealthy. Consequences of laws apply to the little people and rich who piss off the even richer.
 
2012-08-20 07:47:10 PM  

consider this: moralpanic: I think i'm actually going to miss this election once it's over.

Considering that a poll released today shows Romney with a 1 point lead, you might be doing more than missing it. Sobbing in a corner sounds about right.



A 1 point lead in the electoral college?
 
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2012-08-20 07:47:15 PM  
those of us who supported other gop candidates in the primary are secretly enjoying rmoney not being able to take the heat.

/but he can dish it out
 
2012-08-20 07:47:36 PM  

consider this: moralpanic: You seriously think more people will vote for Rmoney than Obama?

What part of "the latest poll shows Romney with a 1 point lead" didn't you understand? As much as you'd like to believe that Obama is immensely more popular than Romney, he isn't. If Obama wins the election, it's going to be by the skin of his teeth.


I don't know where you're getting your info, but this guy knows his shiat more than anybody else. Obama's up by 2, not down by 1.

As it stands right now, Romney's got a 30% chance to win, and those odds are still way too damn high for me.
 
2012-08-20 07:48:22 PM  

Captain_Ballbeard: Ikaros: PC LOAD LETTER: HOW DARE DEMOCRATS USE THE TACTICS REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN USING FOR A DECADE!


A decade?

[news.bbc.co.uk image 300x300]

Dukakis was actually a tanker dipshiat.

What did Mr. Embassy to Jerusalem ever do to serve his country? I mean the USA, not your country.



I posted a smear campaign from the 1980's, showing it was far longer than a decade ago that Republicans were using smear tactics.

Your antisemitism is showing though
 
2012-08-20 07:48:47 PM  
Whoa, hold on, wait a second!

There's a rumor going around that MITT ROMNEY possibly might have COMMITTED A FELONY? I'd like to know if it's true or not, because if it is true then that means MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

Of course, I would never accuse MITT ROMNEY of being a FELON without proof; and there's also the fact that MITT ROMNEY can easily prove he is not a FELON if he'd just release his tax returns. I'm just concerned that his failure to do so could result in many people wondering whether or not MITT ROMNEY IS A FELON! And the longer he delays in releasing his tax returns, the more people will ask if MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

I apologize if this mini-rant may have further cemented the alleged word association between the words "MITT ROMNEY" and "FELON." I am merely voicing my concern.
 
2012-08-20 07:50:41 PM  

consider this: djkutch: Here's reality with something called an electoral college:

Yeah, because winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote wouldn't in any way harm Obama's credibility.


Like "W"'s?
 
2012-08-20 07:50:46 PM  

consider this: djkutch: Here's reality with something called an electoral college:

Yeah, because winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote wouldn't in any way harm Obama's credibility.


Please let this happen! It would be awesome.
 
2012-08-20 07:52:04 PM  

consider this: djkutch: Here's reality with something called an electoral college:

Yeah, because winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote wouldn't in any way harm Obama's credibility.



Wouldn't want to hurt his credibility with the people who think he's a Muslim Socialist Kenyan Communist
 
2012-08-20 07:53:28 PM  
Given Romney's history and stated positions, can anyone explain to me the significant differences between negative campaigning and simply describing Romney accurately?

What are the dems supposed to do here, lie to make Romney look good?
 
2012-08-20 07:55:41 PM  

Ikaros: PC LOAD LETTER: HOW DARE DEMOCRATS USE THE TACTICS REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN USING FOR A DECADE!


A decade?

[news.bbc.co.uk image 300x300]


A decade, a quarter-century, whatever....
 
2012-08-20 07:56:13 PM  

Emposter: Given Romney's history and stated positions, can anyone explain to me the significant differences between negative campaigning and simply describing Romney accurately?

What are the dems supposed to do here, lie to make Romney look good?


Maybe give us some reason to vote for Obama, other than Romney Bad.
 
2012-08-20 07:59:35 PM  

Cletus C.: Emposter: Given Romney's history and stated positions, can anyone explain to me the significant differences between negative campaigning and simply describing Romney accurately?

What are the dems supposed to do here, lie to make Romney look good?

Maybe give us some reason to vote for Obama, other than Romney Bad.


He's been doing that, too. You just disagree with his reasons.
 
2012-08-20 07:59:47 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Ikaros: PC LOAD LETTER: HOW DARE DEMOCRATS USE THE TACTICS REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN USING FOR A DECADE!


A decade?

[news.bbc.co.uk image 300x300]

A decade, a quarter-century, whatever....



How about even earlier?

upload.wikimedia.org

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-20 08:00:23 PM  

consider this: Lando Lincoln: I don't know where you're getting your info, but this guy knows his shiat more than anybody else. Obama's up by 2, not down by 1.

As it stands right now, Romney's got a 30% chance to win, and those odds are still way too damn high for me.

Obama is down by 1 according to a poll released today. Why on earth would you point to something that hasn't been updated in over a week?

Gallup shows Romney with a 2 point lead. Link



And what does the popular vote have to do with the election?
 
2012-08-20 08:01:12 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Cletus C.: Emposter: Given Romney's history and stated positions, can anyone explain to me the significant differences between negative campaigning and simply describing Romney accurately?

What are the dems supposed to do here, lie to make Romney look good?

Maybe give us some reason to vote for Obama, other than Romney Bad.

He's been doing that, too. You just disagree with his reasons.


Bush?
 
2012-08-20 08:01:33 PM  
So.. we decided that he's a felon yet?
 
2012-08-20 08:01:50 PM  

Cletus C.: Emposter: Given Romney's history and stated positions, can anyone explain to me the significant differences between negative campaigning and simply describing Romney accurately?

What are the dems supposed to do here, lie to make Romney look good?

Maybe give us some reason to vote for Obama, other than Romney Bad.


Killed Osama Bin Laden?
Saved the economy from collapsing?
Saved Detroit?
Health care for everybody?
Pulled out of Iraq?
Actually bombing terrorists where they hid in Pakistan?
Ending Don't Ask Don't Tell?
Got Gaddafi killed without putting any American soldiers in danger?
Didn't raise taxes, and don't want to raise taxes on the middle class?
When Americans are held hostages, he gets the SEALs to kill the pirates and hostage takers?
When there's a disaster, he isn't incompetent?
He doesn't base his foreign policy by looking into the soul of the person?
He's actually well liked by the world community?
 
2012-08-20 08:01:59 PM  

Cletus C.: Emposter: Given Romney's history and stated positions, can anyone explain to me the significant differences between negative campaigning and simply describing Romney accurately?

What are the dems supposed to do here, lie to make Romney look good?

Maybe give us some reason to vote for Obama, other than Romney Bad.


I'd actually consider Romney if he released his tax returns. His dad called it: 
t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-08-20 08:03:21 PM  

mrlewish: So.. we decided that he's a felon yet?


so far the only conclusion we've come to is that he IS a prima donna.
 
2012-08-20 08:03:29 PM  

mrlewish: So.. we decided that he's a felon yet?


No, we need more external links to help us decide.
 
2012-08-20 08:03:59 PM  
why is no one talking about that awful rumor that Mittens RAPED AND KILLED A GIRL IN 1990?

i'm not saying that Mittens RAPED AND KILLED A GIRL IN 1990, but its a worthy topic of discussion
 
2012-08-20 08:04:43 PM  

moralpanic: Cletus C.: Emposter: Given Romney's history and stated positions, can anyone explain to me the significant differences between negative campaigning and simply describing Romney accurately?

What are the dems supposed to do here, lie to make Romney look good?

Maybe give us some reason to vote for Obama, other than Romney Bad.

Killed Osama Bin Laden?
Saved the economy from collapsing?
Saved Detroit?
Health care for everybody?
Pulled out of Iraq?
Actually bombing terrorists where they hid in Pakistan?
Ending Don't Ask Don't Tell?
Got Gaddafi killed without putting any American soldiers in danger?
Didn't raise taxes, and don't want to raise taxes on the middle class?
When Americans are held hostages, he gets the SEALs to kill the pirates and hostage takers?
When there's a disaster, he isn't incompetent?
He doesn't base his foreign policy by looking into the soul of the person?
He's actually well liked by the world community?


I read that in an increasingly high pitched voice ala:

encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-08-20 08:05:26 PM  

King Something: Whoa, hold on, wait a second!

There's a rumor going around that MITT ROMNEY possibly might have COMMITTED A FELONY? I'd like to know if it's true or not, because if it is true then that means MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

Of course, I would never accuse MITT ROMNEY of being a FELON without proof; and there's also the fact that MITT ROMNEY can easily prove he is not a FELON if he'd just release his tax returns. I'm just concerned that his failure to do so could result in many people wondering whether or not MITT ROMNEY IS A FELON! And the longer he delays in releasing his tax returns, the more people will ask if MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

I apologize if this mini-rant may have further cemented the alleged word association between the words "MITT ROMNEY" and "FELON." I am merely voicing my concern.


Let's just go over this again....

webpages.charter.net
 
2012-08-20 08:07:36 PM  

shotglasss: Let's just go over this again....


so we can sum up your entire political ideology with a cartoon?
 
2012-08-20 08:08:31 PM  

shotglasss: Most ridiculous political cartoon I've ever seen, worse than even from Soy_Bomb


You're done.

Ploink!
 
2012-08-20 08:13:14 PM  

consider this: Ikaros: And what does the popular vote have to do with the election?

It must make you feel really good knowing that Obama could win because of some bullshiat outdated way of holding elections rather than by having a majority of the US population voting for him.


Ugh. We really deserve a better grade of troll. You are just awful. You're seriously arguing about a 1 point margin in one August poll. Good grief.

Shouldn't you stinking kids be back in school by now?
 
2012-08-20 08:13:27 PM  

consider this: Ikaros: And what does the popular vote have to do with the election?

It must make you feel really good knowing that Obama could win because of some bullshiat outdated way of holding elections rather than by having a majority of the US population voting for him.



Ahhhh I get it, suddenly after 8 years of saying the popular vote means nothing after 2000 the voting method is "outdated"

You people are hilarious.

It doesn't bother me that too many Americans are so ignorant and racist they will vote for someone like Romney over Obama
 
2012-08-20 08:14:00 PM  

moralpanic: Cletus C.: Emposter: Given Romney's history and stated positions, can anyone explain to me the significant differences between negative campaigning and simply describing Romney accurately?

What are the dems supposed to do here, lie to make Romney look good?

Maybe give us some reason to vote for Obama, other than Romney Bad.

Killed Osama Bin Laden?
Saved the economy from collapsing?
Saved Detroit?
Health care for everybody?
Pulled out of Iraq?
Actually bombing terrorists where they hid in Pakistan?
Ending Don't Ask Don't Tell?
Got Gaddafi killed without putting any American soldiers in danger?
Didn't raise taxes, and don't want to raise taxes on the middle class?
When Americans are held hostages, he gets the SEALs to kill the pirates and hostage takers?
When there's a disaster, he isn't incompetent?
He doesn't base his foreign policy by looking into the soul of the person?
He's actually well liked by the world community?


Killed Osama Bin Laden? Well, gave the courageous order to have some Navy Seals kill bin Laden. Major plus for him.
Saved the economy from collapsing? This is where things fall apart. Economy still sucks. Could be worse is a lousy argument.
Saved Detroit? Ugh. OK, I guess.
Health care for everybody? There's a lot of uncertainty before that can be declared a victory.
Pulled out of Iraq? Good. Wouldn't any president have had us out of there by now anyway? Even W?
Actually bombing terrorists where they hid in Pakistan? Sure.
Ending Don't Ask Don't Tell? Good.
Got Gaddafi killed without putting any American soldiers in danger? That worked out well.
Didn't raise taxes, and don't want to raise taxes on the middle class? Economy sucks too much to raise taxes. Spent like he had lots more tax money, though.
When Americans are held hostages, he gets the SEALs to kill the pirates and hostage takers? Whatever
When there's a disaster, he isn't incompetent? Oh jeebus cripes
He doesn't base his foreign policy by looking into the soul of the person? Ackkkkkk
He's actually well liked by the world community? Wha?????????
 
2012-08-20 08:15:20 PM  

Heresiarch: The Obama campaign isn't at all saying that Romney is a felon. They're just theorizing. Asking questions. Presenting possibilities,


i.imgur.com

If Obama really wanted to go after Romney in the way the slimeballs have gone after Democratic candidates he would assigned a Federal prosecutor and some volunteers to look into Romney's legal documentation. A posse, if you will.

upload.wikimedia.org

Or maybe into all the official government records in Massachusetts he had destroyed before leaving office,

Until I start seeing these sorts of things, complainers need to STFU and GBTW.
 
2012-08-20 08:16:15 PM  
FTA: But in recent weeks, your campaign has suggested repeatedly - without proof - that Mr. Romney might be hiding something in his tax returns. They have suggested that Mr. Romney might be a felon for the way that he handed over power of Bain Capital.

Can someone tell me where Obama's campaign said Romney committed a felony? I don't ever remember seeing them actually do this.
 
2012-08-20 08:16:58 PM  

moralpanic: Health care for everybody?


Hey man---let's be fair---Romney did that too, now.
 
2012-08-20 08:17:06 PM  

consider this: It must make you feel really good knowing that Obama could win because of some bullshiat outdated way of holding elections rather than by having a majority of the US population voting for him.


It must make you feel really good knowing that Bush won because of some bullshiat outdated way of holding elections rather than by having a majority of the US population voting for him.
 
2012-08-20 08:17:52 PM  

Cletus C.: Saved the economy from collapsing? This is where things fall apart. Economy still sucks. Could be worse is a lousy argument.


No it WAS WORSE MUCH WORSE!! Look at Europe to see how the "We will cut our way to prosperity" that the GOP wants to do worked.
 
2012-08-20 08:18:53 PM  

shotglasss: King Something: Whoa, hold on, wait a second!

There's a rumor going around that MITT ROMNEY possibly might have COMMITTED A FELONY? I'd like to know if it's true or not, because if it is true then that means MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

Of course, I would never accuse MITT ROMNEY of being a FELON without proof; and there's also the fact that MITT ROMNEY can easily prove he is not a FELON if he'd just release his tax returns. I'm just concerned that his failure to do so could result in many people wondering whether or not MITT ROMNEY IS A FELON! And the longer he delays in releasing his tax returns, the more people will ask if MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

I apologize if this mini-rant may have further cemented the alleged word association between the words "MITT ROMNEY" and "FELON." I am merely voicing my concern.

Let's just go over this again....

[webpages.charter.net image 720x499]


needs moar watermelons
 
2012-08-20 08:19:51 PM  

Cletus C.: Pulled out of Iraq? Good. Wouldn't any president have had us out of there by now anyway? Even W?


Yeah you mean mr. "We will be there for 100 years" McCain would of done the same thing. Funny How when Obama said this the right attacked him for it now "Anyone would of done this".
 
2012-08-20 08:20:36 PM  
img802.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-20 08:20:42 PM  

shotglasss: Let's just go over this again....

[webpages.charter.net image 720x499]


Even ignoring that most of the claims in that cartoon are bullshiat, I like that shotglass probably doesn't even realize that everything Romney is saying in the cartoon would be considered negative campaigning.
 
2012-08-20 08:22:15 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: PC LOAD LETTER: HOW DARE DEMOCRATS USE THE TACTICS REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN USING OF FOR A DECADE! ACCUSED OF USING FOR A DECADE


Well of course they're being accused. They're doing it.

Want to get into this? I doubt you do. Google is forever and one simple search will provide me with enough direct quotations of conservative name-calling, mud-slinging and extreme negative campaigning to bury you and this thread ten times over.

And that'll just be the things they've tossed at Obama in the last 4 years.

But you go ahead and pretend both sides are equivalent.
 
2012-08-20 08:22:31 PM  

Skleenar: Whoah. Am I reading this thread right? Are you guys saying that Romney, (and by that I mean Willard Scott Romney) may be a Felon?
And by that I mean someone who is guilty of committing a felony, which is a kind of crime? And a bad, crime, too, the kind you wouldn't want to have a president who is guilty of?

Because that doesn't sound right: Romney, felon. Romney, felon, Romney, felon. See? It even LOOKs funny when you write it like that. Romney Felon Romney Felon Romney Felon Romney Felon.

It seems to lose all meaning when you just repeat it over and over like that, like it just becomes sounds...

Romney Felon Romney Felon Romney Felon Romnoyn Felan Omnon felsan Obomon il felasma Obmoma kil asama Obama killed Osama Robama frelsam Romney felon romney felon

See? Weird.


I just broke out in a version of the "Batman" theme song but with "Romney felon" being the only words. You know what? It works, it totally works.

/why yes, I have been editing the same white paper all day
 
2012-08-20 08:23:40 PM  

shotglasss: King Something: Whoa, hold on, wait a second!

There's a rumor going around that MITT ROMNEY possibly might have COMMITTED A FELONY? I'd like to know if it's true or not, because if it is true then that means MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

Of course, I would never accuse MITT ROMNEY of being a FELON without proof; and there's also the fact that MITT ROMNEY can easily prove he is not a FELON if he'd just release his tax returns. I'm just concerned that his failure to do so could result in many people wondering whether or not MITT ROMNEY IS A FELON! And the longer he delays in releasing his tax returns, the more people will ask if MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

I apologize if this mini-rant may have further cemented the alleged word association between the words "MITT ROMNEY" and "FELON." I am merely voicing my concern.

Let's just go over this again....

[webpages.charter.net image 720x499]


t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-08-20 08:26:48 PM  
I'm not saying Romney is a felon, but I am concerned about his continued silence over allegations that he raped and murdered a young tax return in 1990.
 
2012-08-20 08:27:01 PM  

Corvus: FTA: But in recent weeks, your campaign has suggested repeatedly - without proof - that Mr. Romney might be hiding something in his tax returns. They have suggested that Mr. Romney might be a felon for the way that he handed over power of Bain Capital.

Can someone tell me where Obama's campaign said Romney committed a felony? I don't ever remember seeing them actually do this.



Anyone?
 
2012-08-20 08:27:30 PM  
There's no 'code' or nuance anymore. The Republicans are the party of white men who want to keep the colored folks down, and women in their place.

That's their platform.
 
2012-08-20 08:28:11 PM  
Reporter, "President Obama are you comfortable with your campaign calling Mr. Romney a felon?" Barack, "No one called him a felon." Thankfully, no one recorded his campaign saying that

Normally when you put something like that in the headline, it's supposed to be sarcasam, not an accurate but entirely pointless trailer on your headline.
 
2012-08-20 08:28:57 PM  

Corvus: Cletus C.: Saved the economy from collapsing? This is where things fall apart. Economy still sucks. Could be worse is a lousy argument.

No it WAS WORSE MUCH WORSE!! Look at Europe to see how the "We will cut our way to prosperity" that the GOP wants to do worked.


Sure, let's do that...
 
2012-08-20 08:31:37 PM  

Corvus: Corvus: FTA: But in recent weeks, your campaign has suggested repeatedly - without proof - that Mr. Romney might be hiding something in his tax returns. They have suggested that Mr. Romney might be a felon for the way that he handed over power of Bain Capital.
Can someone tell me where Obama's campaign said Romney committed a felony? I don't ever remember seeing them actually do this.
Anyone?


"Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony." -- Obama Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter
 
2012-08-20 08:33:07 PM  

soy_bomb: Corvus: Cletus C.: Saved the economy from collapsing? This is where things fall apart. Economy still sucks. Could be worse is a lousy argument.

No it WAS WORSE MUCH WORSE!! Look at Europe to see how the "We will cut our way to prosperity" that the GOP wants to do worked.

Sure, let's do that...


So you are saying Europe's austerity program has been a success? Or I see your just cherry picking data instead. Wow no surprise.

You are so stupid you think the economy of Estonia is similar to the US. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

Are you really being serious? really are you?

What is the US GDP and what is Estonia? Or are you even that clueless?
 
2012-08-20 08:39:40 PM  

soy_bomb: Corvus: Cletus C.: Saved the economy from collapsing? This is where things fall apart. Economy still sucks. Could be worse is a lousy argument.

No it WAS WORSE MUCH WORSE!! Look at Europe to see how the "We will cut our way to prosperity" that the GOP wants to do worked.

Sure, let's do that...


So you consider this a successful economy:

According to Eurostat data, Estonian PPS GDP per capita stood at 67% of the EU average in 2008.[130] In March 2011, the average monthly gross salary in Estonia was 843€ [129][131]

The unemployment rate is around 11.7%



So you believe getting paid $12000 a year and an unemployment of 11.7% is the economy you want the US to mimic?


HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH you really had no clue what you were talking about did you?
 
2012-08-20 08:40:43 PM  

shotglasss: Let's just go over this again....


Sure: you don't get to be President just because the guy in power isn't doing a good job. You get to be President because people have a feel that YOU will be a BETTER President. Now look at the numbers Nate Silver is talking about and ponder why that may be so.
 
2012-08-20 08:41:44 PM  

soy_bomb: Corvus: Corvus: FTA: But in recent weeks, your campaign has suggested repeatedly - without proof - that Mr. Romney might be hiding something in his tax returns. They have suggested that Mr. Romney might be a felon for the way that he handed over power of Bain Capital.
Can someone tell me where Obama's campaign said Romney committed a felony? I don't ever remember seeing them actually do this.
Anyone?

"Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony." -- Obama Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter


Oh wow you were lying again weren't you?


Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter laid out the issue as the Obama team sees it: "Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony."

"Or," she said, "he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments," including layoffs and the outsourcing of jobs.



Wow why did you leave the part of.

Now once again can anyone show me were the Obama administration said the Romney committed a felony?
 
2012-08-20 08:44:25 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Republicans: Obama is a socialist, America-hating, apologist, Muslim, Kenyan, big-government, white-hating, communist, Teleprompter-reading, tax-and-spend, baby-killing gun-grabber!

Democrats: Romney's company has a proven record of cutting jobs, investing in union-busting companies, outsourcing, and firing people,

Republicans: OMG NEGATIVE CAMPAIGINING CAN'T WE BE CIVIL??!??

Democrats: We're now playing by your rules. Now STFU and grow a pair.


FTFY. :D
 
2012-08-20 08:45:47 PM  

soy_bomb: Corvus: Corvus: FTA: But in recent weeks, your campaign has suggested repeatedly - without proof - that Mr. Romney might be hiding something in his tax returns. They have suggested that Mr. Romney might be a felon for the way that he handed over power of Bain Capital.
Can someone tell me where Obama's campaign said Romney committed a felony? I don't ever remember seeing them actually do this.
Anyone?

"Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony." -- Obama Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter


pro-tip when you want to lie about what someone said by leaving off half the sentence don't actually link it so people can see you were lying.
 
2012-08-20 08:46:16 PM  

Wyalt Derp: I'm not saying Romney is a felon, but I am concerned about his continued silence over allegations that he raped and murdered a young tax return in 1990.


It was so badly collated that only a team of forensic accountants could itemize the deductions.
 
2012-08-20 08:47:00 PM  

Corvus: Cletus C.: Pulled out of Iraq? Good. Wouldn't any president have had us out of there by now anyway? Even W?

Yeah you mean mr. "We will be there for 100 years" McCain would of done the same thing. Funny How when Obama said this the right attacked him for it now "Anyone would of done this".


Golly, MCain? McCain's not running Romeny is. What did Romeny say about the Iraq pull-out?

"President Obama's astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq has unnecessarily put at risk the victories that were won through the blood and sacrifice of thousands of American men and women," he said. "The unavoidable question is whether this decision is the result of a naked political calculation or simply sheer ineptitude in negotiations with the Iraqi government. "

And

A consistent front-runner in polls of Republicans, Romney said he feared leaving Iraq without a stabilization force could put the hard-earned successes and victories there at risk.

"I hope that risk is not realized. I hope that we're able to see stability there but the president's failure to secure an agreement and maintain 10,000 to 30,000 troops in Iraq has to be one of his signature failures," he told Reuters.


Huh! Well, how about that! Romney was against us leaving Iraq! Geeze, what an idiot I am. I thought fer sure he was for us leaving Iraq. Guess if Romney was in charge, we'd still be there. Makes you think, don't it?
 
2012-08-20 08:47:43 PM  

Cletus C.: "And, I think that what is absolutely true is if you watch me on the campaign trail, here's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how to put Americans back to work."

Back to work digging graves for the women Romney kills.
Back to work strapping dogs to the top of Romney's car.


Evasion noted.
 
2012-08-20 08:49:38 PM  

consider this: moralpanic: You seriously think more people will vote for Rmoney than Obama?

What part of "the latest poll shows Romney with a 1 point lead" didn't you understand?


The part that says "Cite your source."
 
2012-08-20 08:51:39 PM  
I heard the AM radio goons going on and on about how there is no evidence that Romney has done anything illegal. Of course, I also heard one of these paid liars stating that Romney's father divulged his tax info because the tax code was so much simpler then (I am sure it has increased exponentially in complexity in four years, hence Obama NOT giving over his tax forms).

They are scared shiatless of this.
 
2012-08-20 08:53:21 PM  

soy_bomb: Corvus: Corvus: FTA: But in recent weeks, your campaign has suggested repeatedly - without proof - that Mr. Romney might be hiding something in his tax returns. They have suggested that Mr. Romney might be a felon for the way that he handed over power of Bain Capital.
Can someone tell me where Obama's campaign said Romney committed a felony? I don't ever remember seeing them actually do this.
Anyone?

"Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony." -- Obama Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter


Who thinks a retard like Romney gets his kind of money without being a felon? GOP role models Trump and Koch are felons. Most of the "1%" are felons. Why would Romney be any different?
This isn't news.
The only Republicans who aren't felons are self-loathing, deluded trailer trash who think the corporate criminals will let them in the country club if they suck enough dick.
 
2012-08-20 08:53:23 PM  

Lando Lincoln: consider this: moralpanic: You seriously think more people will vote for Rmoney than Obama?

What part of "the latest poll shows Romney with a 1 point lead" didn't you understand? As much as you'd like to believe that Obama is immensely more popular than Romney, he isn't. If Obama wins the election, it's going to be by the skin of his teeth.

I don't know where you're getting your info, but this guy knows his shiat more than anybody else. Obama's up by 2, not down by 1.

As it stands right now, Romney's got a 30% chance to win, and those odds are still way too damn high for me.


See, the thing that the Romney camp has to be concerned about is the following: It's not the weekend before the elections, it's not the eve of the elections....

IT'S LESS THAN THREE MONTHS AWAY.

IOW, Romney's campaign has to figure how to avoid the unavoidable. That is about 8 weeks worth of the Obama campaign showing him to be a liar, a moron or both.

And let's not even talk about the debates; I'm guessing Romney's trying to figure out how not to be there and have McCain take the blows for him.
 
2012-08-20 08:55:37 PM  

shotglasss: King Something: Whoa, hold on, wait a second!

There's a rumor going around that MITT ROMNEY possibly might have COMMITTED A FELONY? I'd like to know if it's true or not, because if it is true then that means MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

Of course, I would never accuse MITT ROMNEY of being a FELON without proof; and there's also the fact that MITT ROMNEY can easily prove he is not a FELON if he'd just release his tax returns. I'm just concerned that his failure to do so could result in many people wondering whether or not MITT ROMNEY IS A FELON! And the longer he delays in releasing his tax returns, the more people will ask if MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

I apologize if this mini-rant may have further cemented the alleged word association between the words "MITT ROMNEY" and "FELON." I am merely voicing my concern.

Let's just go over this again....

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You mean Romney's spouting issues that have been answered while Obama's only talking about one issue that Romney's trying to run away from as fast as he can?

Sounds about right.
 
2012-08-20 08:56:30 PM  

consider this: Ikaros: And what does the popular vote have to do with the election?

It must make you feel really good knowing that Obama could win because of some bullshiat outdated way of holding elections rather than by having a majority of the US population voting for him.


You mean the same outdated way that put Bush in the White House? That one?
 
2012-08-20 08:57:48 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: The part that says "Cite your source."

I guess you missed the part where I provided a link to a Gallup poll showing Romney with a 2 point lead.


Gallup = land lines.

Mostly everyone else = cell phones, et. al.

Now you tell me binky, who loses in that firefight?
 
2012-08-20 08:58:08 PM  
I'm not sure why an honest man like Mitt Romney would be accused of being a felon. You would think people like Barack Obama would know beter than to call Mitt Romney would be accused of being a felon. Mitt Romney shouldn't need to prove that he didn't commit a felony.
 
2012-08-20 08:58:49 PM  

Ikaros: It doesn't bother me that too many Americans are so ignorant and racist they will vote for someone like Romney over Obama


i.imgur.com 

Can't shoot your whole wad in just one post.
 
2012-08-20 08:58:59 PM  

Corvus: Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter laid out the issue as the Obama team sees it: "Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony."

"Or," she said, "he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments," including layoffs and the outsourcing of jobs.


I personally have a real problem with Stephanie Cutter saying this about Mitt Romney. Its completely false. The dichotomy, I mean.
 
2012-08-20 09:00:13 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: The part that says "Cite your source."

I guess you missed the part where I provided a link to a Gallup poll showing Romney with a 2 point lead.


Do you know what a "Electoral College" is? I think you probably do. But you wouldn't know it to read your posts.
 
2012-08-20 09:01:01 PM  

soy_bomb: "Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony." -- Obama Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter


C'mon soy, even you know that isn't even a complete sentence without the other clause. You should have at least posted the other half of her sentence.
 
2012-08-20 09:02:10 PM  

Rwa2play: soy_bomb: Corvus: Corvus: FTA: But in recent weeks, your campaign has suggested repeatedly - without proof - that Mr. Romney might be hiding something in his tax returns. They have suggested that Mr. Romney might be a felon for the way that he handed over power of Bain Capital.
Can someone tell me where Obama's campaign said Romney committed a felony? I don't ever remember seeing them actually do this.
Anyone?

"Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony." -- Obama Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter

Thanks for proving the point that neither Obama, nor his campaign, implicitly stated that Romney is a felon numbnuts.


FTFM.
 
2012-08-20 09:07:34 PM  
Of course Romney's not a felon, he was granted amnesty for those felonies by the IRS!
 
2012-08-20 09:09:38 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Reporter, "President Obama are you comfortable with your campaign calling Mr. Romney a felon?" Barack, "No one called him a felon." Thankfully, no one recorded his campaign saying that

Normally when you put something like that in the headline, it's supposed to be sarcasam, not an accurate but entirely pointless trailer on your headline.


Actually, it's supposed to link directly a recording of him saying just that. At least, that's how it always works with Republicans.
 
2012-08-20 09:12:16 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: As somebody else pointed out, he's not a felon...because he hasn't been convicted yet.


Actually, if you committed a felony, you are a felon. If you are then convicted, you are a convicted felon.

Getting away with a crime doesn't mean you're not a criminal.
 
2012-08-20 09:12:17 PM  

consider this: Ikaros: Your comments about the popular vote show you will do and say anything to make your team look better. You aren't fooling anyone by pretending you don't hate Obama

OK, Columbo.


Just one more thing...
 
2012-08-20 09:14:50 PM  
Is a PAC the same as a campaign?
 
2012-08-20 09:16:14 PM  
Romney is no felon!

He is a TRAITOR. Get it right.

/buy American company
//destroy American jobs
///reap profit, but keep it overseas so it can't help America in any possible way


TRAITOR, not felon.
 
2012-08-20 09:16:46 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Is a PAC the same as a campaign?


No
 
2012-08-20 09:17:31 PM  

consider this: Ikaros: Ahhhh I get it, suddenly after 8 years of saying the popular vote means nothing after 2000 the voting method is "outdated"

You people are hilarious.

It doesn't bother me that too many Americans are so ignorant and racist they will vote for someone like Romney over Obama


You people? Oh I get it, you think I'm a republican and a Romney supporter. Funny since I seem to remember being in a thread yesterday defending Obama and his health care plan.

It's really sad that people can't look at issues individually and resort to labeling somebody based on their opinion on a single issue.

My comments about the electoral college being bullshiat have nothing to do with my opinion on who would make the better president. If you don't see a problem with a system that would allow a person to win the presidency after not receiving the majority of the vote, I don't know what else to say.


Yeah, I do have an issue with it, but it's in the Constitution. Al Gore probably isn't crazy about the electorical college either:

Popular vote
Bush: 50,456,002
Gore: 50,999,897
 
2012-08-20 09:19:53 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Is a PAC the same as a campaign?


One has super powers and they other one is the day job. You know like Spider-Man and Peter Parker or the Crypt Keeper and Governor Brewer. They aren`t supposed to know each other.
 
2012-08-20 09:21:11 PM  

Corvus: FTA: But in recent weeks, your campaign has suggested repeatedly - without proof - that Mr. Romney might be hiding something in his tax returns. They have suggested that Mr. Romney might be a felon for the way that he handed over power of Bain Capital.

Can someone tell me where Obama's campaign said Romney committed a felony? I don't ever remember seeing them actually do this.


Bain's filings with the SEC show Romney in charge until 02, but Romney says that is not true. If Romney is telling the truth then false papers were filed which is a felony. Of course Romney is a liar, but telling a lie that would make you a felon is pretty godamn stupid.
 
2012-08-20 09:21:44 PM  

nyseattitude: KarmicDisaster: Is a PAC the same as a campaign?

No


Mmmkay, let's try this again.

No, in the general and legal sense, yes if they are tied to the individual campaigning but still not in a legal sense when they game the system due to financial contributions. In other words they may "work for you" but they don't "work for you". *wink wink*
 
2012-08-20 09:29:15 PM  

BravadoGT: CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

Politico had an article with several Obama lieutenants pushing that suggestion


no actually they said he was either a felon or a liar

they report ,you decide
 
2012-08-20 09:30:18 PM  

davynelson: Romney is no felon!

He is a TRAITOR. Get it right.

/buy American company
//destroy American jobs
///reap profit, but keep it overseas so it can't help America in any possible way


TRAITOR, not felon.

 
2012-08-20 09:31:19 PM  
Liberals are farking hilarious. Calling your opponent a felon by insinuating they committed a felony and then saying government agencies should investigate is the shiat pu tin and chavez do, and you are defending it cause it is your side. Even saying Obama should be doing it. Then you defend Obama saying he never did it. Fark liberals have gone defcon derp. This is bush derangement syndrome 2.0. Why do liberals want to put every political opponent in jail?
 
2012-08-20 09:31:27 PM  
I'm still not impressed by the "he hit me first" rebuttal.
 
2012-08-20 09:32:11 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Is a PAC the same as a campaign?


Campaigns are run by the candidates themselves and can only receive contributions of ~$2300 per person who makes a contribution.

PACs, and especially Super PACs, are not run by anybody involved in the campaign and are totally, entirely and completely not coordinating with the campaign proper in any way, shape or form imaginable. And there is no limit to how much individuals and corporations can contribute to PACs and Super PACs, which is why the pro-Romney anti-Obama Super PACs have received tens or hundreds of millions of dollars from less than 200 people.

/there is a difference between "pro-Romney" and "anti-Obama"
 
2012-08-20 09:32:12 PM  

Without Fail: consider this: It must make you feel really good knowing that Obama could win because of some bullshiat outdated way of holding elections rather than by having a majority of the US population voting for him.

It must make you feel really good knowing that Bush won because of some bullshiat outdated way of holding elections rather than by having a majority of the US population voting for him.


That is not exactly fair you know, it should be
It must make you feel really good knowing that Bush won with the help of his brother and Katherine Harris and the Supreme Court and some bullshiat outdated way of holding elections rather than by having a majority of the US Population vote for him.

/credit should go where it is deserved
 
2012-08-20 09:32:43 PM  
I wish someone would just ask Romney outright if he took the amnesty in 2009 for his non disclosed foreign accounts. I just want to see him deny it. ...maybe Obama will hit him with that one in the debate.
 
2012-08-20 09:32:55 PM  

kevinfra: consider this: Ikaros: Ahhhh I get it, suddenly after 8 years of saying the popular vote means nothing after 2000 the voting method is "outdated"

You people are hilarious.

It doesn't bother me that too many Americans are so ignorant and racist they will vote for someone like Romney over Obama


You people? Oh I get it, you think I'm a republican and a Romney supporter. Funny since I seem to remember being in a thread yesterday defending Obama and his health care plan.

It's really sad that people can't look at issues individually and resort to labeling somebody based on their opinion on a single issue.

My comments about the electoral college being bullshiat have nothing to do with my opinion on who would make the better president. If you don't see a problem with a system that would allow a person to win the presidency after not receiving the majority of the vote, I don't know what else to say.

Yeah, I do have an issue with it, but it's in the Constitution. Al Gore probably isn't crazy about the electorical college either:

Popular vote
Bush: 50,456,002
Gore: 50,999,897


What you say is negated by the fact Bush was never elected as President of the United Sates under any circumstances what so ever in 2000, he was appointed.
 
2012-08-20 09:32:59 PM  

consider this: kevinfra: Popular vote
Bush: 50,456,002
Gore: 50,999,897

I guess you missed the part where I said that result was bullshiat.


Hey sparklefark, shut the hell up already. The US is not getting rid of the Electoral College, no matter how outdated, stupid, messed up, farked up, or absurd you think it is. It exists for a reason, and that's because the Founding Fathers knew that direct election, such as you are proposing, can lead to tyranny of the majority.....which they wanted to avoid. Ever read about ancient Greece and their governmental issues? Specifically in the Senate? If you did, as they did, you'd understand why the EC exists, and what its existence means to prevent. All the popular vote does is accurately demonstrate how farking pathetic our voter turnout is, and making it the sole arbiter for who is elected President every 4 years won't do jack or shiat to change that.

So please......quit while you're ahead.
 
2012-08-20 09:34:29 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I like how the first line in this submission is nowhere to be found in the linked article. Gud jorb subs.


Not only that, but the interview doesn't point to an actual campaign member using the 'felon' tag. Maybe subby is one of those morons who can't differentiate between the campaign and not the campaign.
 
2012-08-20 09:35:43 PM  

MyRandomName: Liberals are farking hilarious. Calling your opponent a felon by insinuating they committed a felony and then saying government agencies should investigate is the shiat pu tin and chavez do, and you are defending it cause it is your side. Even saying Obama should be doing it. Then you defend Obama saying he never did it. Fark liberals have gone defcon derp. This is bush derangement syndrome 2.0. Why do liberals want to put every political opponent in jail?


You sound tired son.
 
2012-08-20 09:36:05 PM  

shotglasss: Let's just go over this again....


Yes, let's hear all about how Romney is going to fix any of those issues.

Other than "tax breaks for rich people" and "I'll be a white guy in the White House."
 
2012-08-20 09:36:18 PM  

CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

I love how "upset" conservatives are getting because Obama's campaign has gone "negative." It seems like every other commercial here in Ohio is claiming that Obama is stealing money from your Grandma, hates all small businesses and other such nonsense, but those of course aren't negative, right?


Remember, this is the 'McCain had a Black baby out of wedlock.' Party, nobody knows dirty like them.
 
2012-08-20 09:37:39 PM  

Hobodeluxe: I wish someone would just ask Romney outright if he took the amnesty in 2009 for his non disclosed foreign accounts. I just want to see him deny it. ...maybe Obama will hit him with that one in the debate.


I'm sure half the people in DC know what's in Romney's taxes by now. I'm also hoping they are saving the questions until a little closer to November. Romney isn't well liked, and his finances must have at least a few hundred people involved, at this point the only people who don't know what's in them are the voters.
 
2012-08-20 09:37:48 PM  
Did he impersonate an officer?
 
2012-08-20 09:38:24 PM  
Well, wasn't it Mitt's own father that said if you don't show your tax returns you might be hiding something? Silly to attack the president for something the guy's own father said, too. Looks like the usual routine of attack Obama and lie, flip flop, hide things, attack again .... then when Obama points it out accuse him of being hateful and angry.
 
2012-08-20 09:38:30 PM  

MyRandomName: Calling your opponent a felon by insinuating they committed a felony and then saying government agencies should investigate is the shiat pu tin and chavez do


You...were alive in the 1990s, right? Whitewater? Travelgate? Vince Foster's "murder?" "Watermelon Man" Dan Burton? MENA airport? Cattle future? The Clinton murder list? Ring a bell?

Christ, you never respond anyway. I'm pissing in the wind.
 
2012-08-20 09:39:10 PM  

Hobodeluxe: BravadoGT: CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

Politico had an article with several Obama lieutenants pushing that suggestion

no actually they said he was either a felon or a liar

they report ,you decide


Well, he was caught lying about the contents of his tax returns leading him to retroactively correct them to show him being a Mass. resident which are the requirements for running for governor. So kindly forgive me for not taking a proven liar at his word on what the contents of his tax returns are. Just as he was caught lying to either the SEC or to the American people about he retired from Bain. Either the papers he submitted to the SEC showing him as owner/ceo/etc are false, or he lied to the American people... There is no way both options are true.

Plus all of his official campaign ads I've seen here in Florida are based on lies. There is a lot to attack the president on that would be real and legitimate attacks. Attacking Obama for the content of a quote from John McCain, chopping a quote to pieces to make it into an attack ad again is very disingenuous. The politifact type sites have pretty much pointed out that all of his attack ads are lies.

All I see is Willard has a problem with being questioned, and when the rubber hits the road, he lies his ass off to try and wiggle out of it.
 
2012-08-20 09:40:12 PM  

Coco LaFemme: consider this: kevinfra: Popular vote
Bush: 50,456,002
Gore: 50,999,897

I guess you missed the part where I said that result was bullshiat.

Hey sparklefark, shut the hell up already. The US is not getting rid of the Electoral College, no matter how outdated, stupid, messed up, farked up, or absurd you think it is. It exists for a reason, and that's because the Founding Fathers knew that direct election, such as you are proposing, can lead to tyranny of the majority.....which they wanted to avoid. Ever read about ancient Greece and their governmental issues? Specifically in the Senate? If you did, as they did, you'd understand why the EC exists, and what its existence means to prevent. All the popular vote does is accurately demonstrate how farking pathetic our voter turnout is, and making it the sole arbiter for who is elected President every 4 years won't do jack or shiat to change that.

So please......quit while you're ahead.


How does the electoral college prevent the majority from subjugating a minority population?
 
2012-08-20 09:40:35 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Hey sparklefark, shut the hell up already.


The sentence above diminishes and distracts from all the excellent and constructive stuff you had after it. Just sayin'.
 
2012-08-20 09:43:13 PM  

consider this: Coco LaFemme: It exists for a reason, and that's because the Founding Fathers knew that direct election, such as you are proposing, can lead to tyranny of the majority.....which they wanted to avoid.

LOL so you're OK with a system where the votes of the people can be ignored if the electors feel they've mad the wrong decision?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


So, you've never read this from the Wiki on the Electoral College:

A faithless elector is one who casts an electoral vote for someone other than the person pledged or does not vote for any person. 24 states have laws to punish faithless electors. In 1952, the constitutionality of state pledge laws was brought before the Supreme Court in Ray v. Blair, 343 U.S. 214 (1952). The Court ruled in favor of state laws requiring electors to pledge to vote for the winning candidate, as well as removing electors who refuse to pledge. As stated in the ruling, electors are acting as a functionary of the state, not the federal government. Therefore, states have the right to govern electors. The constitutionality of state laws punishing electors for actually casting a faithless vote, rather than refusing to pledge, has never been decided by the Supreme Court. While many only punish a faithless elector after-the-fact, states like Michigan also specify that the faithless elector's vote be voided.[45]

As electoral slates are typically chosen by the political party or the party's presidential nominee, electors usually have high loyalty to the party and its candidate: a faithless elector runs a greater risk of party censure than criminal charges.

Faithless electors have not changed the outcome of any presidential election to date. For example, in 2000 elector Barbara Lett-Simmons of Washington, D.C. chose not to vote, rather than voting for Al Gore as she had pledged to do. This was done as an act of protest against Washington, D.C.'s lack of congressional voting representation.[46] That elector's abstention did not change who won that year's presidential election, as George W. Bush received a majority (271) of the electoral votes.


Basically, you either vote with what the people voted...or you're screwed. And, as the article states, Bush/Gore in 2000 would've been a time that such a thing as "changing your vote" could've happened.

So sparklefark ($1 to Coco), any more nuggets I can shoot down for ya?
 
2012-08-20 09:44:19 PM  
 
2012-08-20 09:45:04 PM  

StopLurkListen: Coco LaFemme: Hey sparklefark, shut the hell up already.

The sentence above diminishes and distracts from all the excellent and constructive stuff you had after it. Just sayin'.


Not really, think about what he said and then about American history. The electoral college, does zilch to address the tyranny of the majority. The bill of rights and parts of the constitution address that issue, and that still wasn't enough.
 
2012-08-20 09:47:00 PM  

MyRandomName: Liberals are farking hilarious. Calling your opponent a felon by insinuating they committed a felony and then saying government agencies should investigate is the shiat pu tin and chavez do, and you are defending it cause it is your side. Even saying Obama should be doing it. Then you defend Obama saying he never did it. Fark liberals have gone defcon derp. This is bush derangement syndrome 2.0. Why do liberals want to put every political opponent in jail?


Because most of the Republicans are criminals, duh. And just in case you think I'm kidding, here's just some elected and appointed Republican officials from the prior administration who were convicted criminals:

Claude Allen
Lester Crawford
Brian Doyle
Steven Griles
John T. Korsmo
Scooter Libby
David Safavian
Robert Stein
Roger Stillwell
Kyle Dustin "Dusty" Foggo
Alberto Gonzales
Leandro Aragoncillo
Eric G. Andell

And the list goes on...

With a precedent like that, is it any wonder that sane people think the Republican party might mostly consist of crooks?

/If you think you can come up with a similarly large list of Democrats, go right ahead.
 
2012-08-20 09:47:24 PM  
So is this one of the times where I say "C'mon, stop parsing!" or is it more of a "No one used the words 'he might be a felon', so your reasoning is not sound!" thing?
 
2012-08-20 09:48:16 PM  

BravadoGT: CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

Politico had an article with several Obama lieutenants pushing that suggestion


I know that by saying "Obama lieutenants," you're trying to paint a mental image of some hardcore regime. In reality, you just sound ignorant.
 
2012-08-20 09:51:47 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: Basically, you either vote with what the people voted...or you're screwed.

So if 45% of the state votes for a certain candidate, they get 45% of the electoral votes?

Quick, go back to Wikipedia and educate yourself, I'll wait.


No, it's "winner take all"...again read the wiki first genius. Then you can come back to the grown folks table and try to discuss it like a rational person. At this rate however, you won't succeed.
 
2012-08-20 09:56:13 PM  

s2s2s2: So is this one of the times where I say "C'mon, stop parsing!" or is it more of a "No one used the words 'he might be a felon', so your reasoning is not sound!" thing?


I think it's more a matter of no one said "Mitt Romney is a felon".

I think tons of people are saying he might be a felon.

It does kind of look like he is.
 
2012-08-20 09:56:54 PM  

kapaso: StopLurkListen: Coco LaFemme: Hey sparklefark, shut the hell up already.

The sentence above diminishes and distracts from all the excellent and constructive stuff you had after it. Just sayin'.

Not really, think about what he said and then about American history. The electoral college, does zilch to address the tyranny of the majority. The bill of rights and parts of the constitution address that issue, and that still wasn't enough.


I disagree, the electoral college overweighting of less-populous states is exactly the anti-majority-tyranny mechanism that Coco LaFemme described.

If there were no Electoral College, candidates would stick to the largest cities, and ignore entire states and regions, it just wouldn't make sense to spend time and money for relatively fewer votes.
 
2012-08-20 09:58:44 PM  

King Something: Whoa, hold on, wait a second!

There's a rumor going around that MITT ROMNEY possibly might have COMMITTED A FELONY? I'd like to know if it's true or not, because if it is true then that means MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

Of course, I would never accuse MITT ROMNEY of being a FELON without proof; and there's also the fact that MITT ROMNEY can easily prove he is not a FELON if he'd just release his tax returns. I'm just concerned that his failure to do so could result in many people wondering whether or not MITT ROMNEY IS A FELON! And the longer he delays in releasing his tax returns, the more people will ask if MITT ROMNEY COMMITTED A FELONY!

I apologize if this mini-rant may have further cemented the alleged word association between the words "MITT ROMNEY" and "FELON." I am merely voicing my concern.


Well, the take away I get from a quick scan of your post is that MITT ROMNEY might be a FELON, but he hasn't been convicted of a FELONY which indeed would be pretty serious.
 
2012-08-20 10:02:07 PM  

consider this: Coco LaFemme: It exists for a reason, and that's because the Founding Fathers knew that direct election, such as you are proposing, can lead to tyranny of the majority.....which they wanted to avoid.

LOL so you're OK with a system where the votes of the people can be ignored if the electors feel they've mad the wrong decision?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Each state has a certain number of electoral votes. If a candidate wins that state, meaning, if the candidate wins the popular vote for that state, the electors will cast their ballots for them, and the electoral votes go to that candidate. If State X has 40 electoral votes, and Obama wins State X, he gets those 40 electoral votes. He'd only get those votes if the majority of the people in the state voted for him. How does that jive with your statement that "the people can be ignored if the electors feel they've made the wrong decision"? The Electors cast their ballot for who the voters chose. If the voters choose Romney, that's who they vote for. If the voters choose Obama, that's who they vote for.

Only four times in our nation's history has the winner of the EC NOT also won the popular vote: John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Bayes, Benjamin Harrison, and George W. Bush. You're biatching and whining about something that has happened four times in 235 years. And before 2000, the most recent occurrence was 1888. Are you farking kidding me?


kapaso: Coco LaFemme: consider this: kevinfra: Popular vote
Bush: 50,456,002
Gore: 50,999,897

I guess you missed the part where I said that result was bullshiat.

Hey sparklefark, shut the hell up already. The US is not getting rid of the Electoral College, no matter how outdated, stupid, messed up, farked up, or absurd you think it is. It exists for a reason, and that's because the Founding Fathers knew that direct election, such as you are proposing, can lead to tyranny of the majority.....which they wanted to avoid. Ever read about ancient Greece and their governmental issues? Specifically in the Senate? If you did, as they did, you'd understand why the EC exists, and what its existence means to prevent. All the popular vote does is accurately demonstrate how farking pathetic our voter turnout is, and making it the sole arbiter for who is elected President every 4 years won't do jack or shiat to change that.

So please......quit while you're ahead.

How does the electoral college prevent the majority from subjugating a minority population?


If you eliminate the Electoral College and only use the popular vote, candidates will completely ignore smaller, less populated states, in favor of heavily populated areas. The majority of the country's population live in urban areas, and on both coasts. Voters in places like Iowa, Idaho, and Wyoming, regardless of what direction they lean, would get absolutely ZERO attention from national candidates, because it would be more worth their while to court voters in cities like New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago.
 
2012-08-20 10:05:23 PM  
A sign this election is, so far, not as close as 2008 or 2004 is that on these electoral college tracking polls, Romney has NEVER been ahead. In the two previous elections the lines crossed and the lead changed hands. Not this time, not yet.
 
2012-08-20 10:06:23 PM  
"Mister Obama, are you comfortable beating your wife?
"No one said I beat my wife."
"ZOMG OBAMA IS A LIAR WHO BEATS HIS WIFE!"
 
2012-08-20 10:06:57 PM  

jcooli09: s2s2s2: So is this one of the times where I say "C'mon, stop parsing!" or is it more of a "No one used the words 'he might be a felon', so your reasoning is not sound!" thing?

I think it's more a matter of no one said "Mitt Romney is a felon".

I think tons of people are saying he might be a felon.

It does kind of look like he is.


Funny how a statement of fact is causing such outrage.

1. SEC filings list Romney as being the "controlling individual" at Bane during the time in question.
2. Romney says he was not involved with Bane during the time in question.
3. Filing a false SEC report is a felony.

Therefore, either Romney WAS involved with Bane during the time in question, or Romney filed false reports to the SEC which is a felony.

There is no spin to this. The situation is pretty straightforward. So, where is the attack?
 
2012-08-20 10:09:18 PM  

jcooli09: I think it's more a matter of no one said "Mitt Romney is a felon".


So then did anyone from the Romney camp actually say "He's calling Mitt a felon!"?
FTA: "They have **suggested** that Mr. Romney might be a felon for the way that he handed over power of Bain Capital"

So that is not an accusation of being called a felon, so saying that's not what you actually said doesn't really address it. Especially if

jcooli09: I think tons of people are saying he might be a felon.

It does kind of look like he is.


Note the bolded sections. Bullshiat denial is a bullshiat denial.
 
2012-08-20 10:10:54 PM  
If cons want to get rid of the electoral college, fine. That's freaking awesome.

The sound you would hear right after you pull it off is the sound of every Democratic leadership popping the champagne bottles as they realize we'd never have a Republican president again.
 
2012-08-20 10:11:04 PM  

GameSprocket: jcooli09: s2s2s2: So is this one of the times where I say "C'mon, stop parsing!" or is it more of a "No one used the words 'he might be a felon', so your reasoning is not sound!" thing?

I think it's more a matter of no one said "Mitt Romney is a felon".

I think tons of people are saying he might be a felon.

It does kind of look like he is.

Funny how a statement of fact is causing such outrage.

1. SEC filings list Romney as being the "controlling individual" at Bane during the time in question.
2. Romney says he was not involved with Bane during the time in question.
3. Filing a false SEC report is a felony.

Therefore, either Romney WAS involved with Bane during the time in question, or Romney filed false reports to the SEC which is a felony.

There is no spin to this. The situation is pretty straightforward. So, where is the attack?


'Attacking' a Republican consists of telling truths they'd rather you not notice.
 
2012-08-20 10:11:34 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: No, it's "winner take all"...again read the wiki first genius.

LOL you're such a scholar.


No, just can smell your BS a mile away.

Actually states have the option of splitting their electoral votes and two currently do. I knew that without even looking at Wikipedia. I'll give you a couple minutes to look it up so we can continue talking.

Maine and Nebraska, I knew that and I didn't have to look it up. Maybe you should stick to being part of the peanut gallery instead of trying to act like a know it all; you're failing in that endeavor.

When you come back, be sure to have a good reason why states should stick with "winner take all" and not split the votes.

"Winner take all" is efficient, concise and, with two notable exceptions in nearly 220 years, pretty much an easier way to decide a Presidential vote.

Now, maybe it's not for you; but hey, this country isn't just about you. So if you don't like it...

deepasabirdbath.files.wordpress.com

There's the door, leave the country.
 
2012-08-20 10:11:52 PM  

GameSprocket: jcooli09: s2s2s2: So is this one of the times where I say "C'mon, stop parsing!" or is it more of a "No one used the words 'he might be a felon', so your reasoning is not sound!" thing?

I think it's more a matter of no one said "Mitt Romney is a felon".

I think tons of people are saying he might be a felon.

It does kind of look like he is.

Funny how a statement of fact is causing such outrage.

1. SEC filings list Romney as being the "controlling individual" at Bane during the time in question.
2. Romney says he was not involved with Bane during the time in question.
3. Filing a false SEC report is a felony.

Therefore, either Romney WAS involved with Bane during the time in question, or Romney filed false reports to the SEC which is a felony.

There is no spin to this. The situation is pretty straightforward. So, where is the attack?


You should know by now that the Republican party views quoting them verbatim or releasing facts about their behavior as being "attacks".
 
2012-08-20 10:13:12 PM  

thurstonxhowell: If cons want to get rid of the electoral college, fine. That's freaking awesome.

The sound you would hear right after you pull it off is the sound of every Democratic leadership popping the champagne bottles as they realize we'd never have a Republican president again.


yes but you see, that's exactly why they want to get rid of regular college too
 
2012-08-20 10:15:43 PM  

LordJiro: 'Attacking' a Republican consists of telling truths they'd rather you not notice.


Tough shiat, republicans. Obama doesn't need to shrink away from this. After all the shiat he puts up with, he should have just said "we have questions, they clearly understand the implications, and having ponied up my birth certificate to people questioning my legal status, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask a candidate that is going to have to deal with tough issues, touch questions."

/,
 
2012-08-20 10:16:18 PM  
*tough/touchy
 
2012-08-20 10:18:16 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: No, it's "winner take all"...again read the wiki first genius.

When you come back, be sure to have a good reason why states should stick with "winner take all" and not split the votes.


State legislatures are responsible for how electoral votes are divvied up; either winner-takes-all, electoral districts, Congressional District, or proportional. Splitting the votes, as you propose, would make it almost impossible for a candidate to achieve the requisite 270 electoral votes to win. California has 55 electoral votes; if Obama gets 66% of the popular vote, and California changed the method of apportioning electors and went to proportional....he'd get 2/3 of 55. What is 2/3 of 55? Not an even number, I'll help you out. So then how to do parse a fraction of an elector? That's one good reason to keep winner-takes-all. Keeps all the numbers nice and round, with no decimals. Two, if the state's apportionment was changed to Congressional District, candidates would only spend time in the heavily populated districts, rather than focusing on the entire state, which can draw accusations of gerrymandering. Same if it was changed to electoral districts.

Winner-takes-all is not only the best method in terms of the math, but the best method for insuring that the entire state's population is considered, rather than just those that are most beneficial to the candidate.
 
2012-08-20 10:19:39 PM  

Rwa2play:
"Winner take all" is efficient, concise and, with two notable exceptions in nearly 220 years, pretty much an easier way to decide a Presidential vote..


While this is true, it's not the reason we keep the system. We keep it because it forces presidential candidates to campaign t and make deals with the states, whereas under a split system they could more or less just rely on 50/50 in the majority of them and ignore all but a couple states with a stronger demographic divide.
 
2012-08-20 10:20:59 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: "Winner take all" is efficient, concise and, with two notable exceptions in nearly 220 years, pretty much an easier way to decide a Presidential vote.

Well actually, there have been 4 instances of it not working. Guess somebody edited wikipedia on you.


You still missed the point: 4 times in nearly 220 years? If you're asking for perfection, look elsewhere or better yet, stop looking. You'll be disappointed on what you think perfection should be and what it is.
 
2012-08-20 10:23:43 PM  

consider this: Coco LaFemme: Winner-takes-all is not only the best method in terms of the math, but the best method for insuring that the entire state's population is considered, rather than just those that are most beneficial to the candidate.

Yes, potentially invalidating the vote of 49.99% of the vote in a state is certainly the best way to do things.


Yes it is; Now, do we award part of the Vince Lombardi trophy to the New England Patriots for coming within one play of winning it? No; Giants had more points than them, so they won the trophy.

Same rule applies here; sorry if it doesn't meet up with your "lofty" standards.
 
2012-08-20 10:25:03 PM  

consider this: Coco LaFemme: Winner-takes-all is not only the best method in terms of the math, but the best method for insuring that the entire state's population is considered, rather than just those that are most beneficial to the candidate.

Yes, potentially invalidating the vote of 49.99% of the vote in a state is certainly the best way to do things.


Move to another state then.

OMG you want to possibly invalidate 49.99% of the vote in the whole country.

/trolled
 
2012-08-20 10:25:03 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: "Winner take all" is efficient, concise and, with two notable exceptions in nearly 220 years, pretty much an easier way to decide a Presidential vote.

Well actually, there have been 4 instances of it not working. Guess somebody edited wikipedia on you.


He said two *notable*. Learn to read. Most people know of Rutherford B. Hayes and George W. Bush because both elections were fraught with a lot of controversy. Most people do not know about John Quincy Adams or Benjamin Harrison. You'll note again that he didn't say only two. He said two *notable*. Words matter.

consider this: Coco LaFemme: If you eliminate the Electoral College and only use the popular vote, candidates will completely ignore smaller, less populated states, in favor of heavily populated areas.

Yeah because they don't do that now. Can you come up with a thought of your own or is everything you say something you've read on the internet?


Barack Obama went to all 50 states in 2008. It's actually important for a candidate to appear in or appeal to all states, since more states are turning purple nowadays, and more states are in play in terms of flipping, than in past elections. Obama went to states that had no chance in hell of turning blue, especially in the Deep South, but he went anyway.

I don't need to get my ideas/opinions/thoughts from the Internet. My mind works just fine. Yours on the other hand, well.....the jury's still out. For someone with such a recent account, I wonder whose sock-puppet you are.
 
2012-08-20 10:25:33 PM  

moralpanic: Cletus C.: Emposter: Given Romney's history and stated positions, can anyone explain to me the significant differences between negative campaigning and simply describing Romney accurately?

What are the dems supposed to do here, lie to make Romney look good?

Maybe give us some reason to vote for Obama, other than Romney Bad.

Killed Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't him
Saved the economy from collapsing? Wasn't him
Saved Detroit? Who cares about Detroit/wasn't him
Health care for everybody? It's not, and his plan is terrible
Pulled out of Iraq? Fair enough
Actually bombing terrorists where they hid in Pakistan? And killing innocents in the process. He's no better than bush here
Ending Don't Ask Don't Tell? Fair enough
Got Gaddafi killed without putting any American soldiers in danger? Wasn't him
Didn't raise taxes, and don't want to raise taxes on the middle class? He wants to raise it on people who've already paid their share in taxes
When Americans are held hostages, he gets the SEALs to kill the pirates and hostage takers? Fair enough
When there's a disaster, he isn't incompetent? He is incompetent
He doesn't base his foreign policy by looking into the soul of the person? I'm pretty sure he rolls a dice
He's actually well liked by the world community? A rock, when compared to the way Bush was received by the community, would have been liked more than him. Not an improvement, really

 
2012-08-20 10:27:58 PM  

Nem Wan: A sign this election is, so far, not as close as 2008 or 2004 is that on these electoral college tracking polls, Romney has NEVER been ahead. In the two previous elections the lines crossed and the lead changed hands. Not this time, not yet.


Nate Silver has a good explanation for why that might be:

My offhand impression has been that the pace of presidential polling has been much slower than in 2008: that by this point in 2008, for instance, it would have been extremely unusual to not have any new state polls out on a given weekday, as happened on Monday.

It turns out that this is not just my imagination. I looked up the numbers - and the pace of polling has fallen quite dramatically from four years ago.


Sure enough, there are a lot fewer polls being done now than it 2004 or 2008. And many of the polls that are being done are terrible - you have polls showing massive swings in the electorate that don't make sense. Yes, voter ID swings, but the argument than between 2010 and today the Democrats suddenly surged in party identification doesn't hold water. If that were true, we'd see more signs of it in terms of voter registrations and voter enthusiasm. But what those measures show is that Democrats are substantially less enthused this time around than in 2008.

So we're getting incomplete data at best and bad data at worst - which explains why the trend lines are all over the map this year. We can say that Obama currently has a narrow lead in most of the swing states based on the data we have thus far, but that's not saying a hell of a lot if that data is polluted by shiatty sampling.

The only honest answer to where this race really is right now is "nobody knows fark all." Everything else is just supposition - and that's why normally-reliable predictors aren't as reliable now as they were in 2008. Because they're being fed off of the same polls, all of them are getting the same bad data.

We should start seeing better polling in the next few weeks as the race heats up, and then we'll start seeing the numbers move in one direction or another.
 
2012-08-20 10:28:40 PM  
Maybe it's the channels I watch (Discovery, Military, Animal Planet, Nat Geo + Wild, History and H2, some of the other science and history channels, and Hub every so often to catch some Transformers G1, Animated and Prime), but I have yet to see one Democratic political commercial.

I have, however, seen, at least five Republican political commercials that are nothing but fear-mongering tirades about how Obama and the United Nations are plotting to force America to hand over all the guns, how Obama is an evil conniving demon who plots to hand America over to Satan, how Obama is this, that, and the other thing. Not ONCE have I seen a Republican campaign commercial that says anything about what/how Romney is going to do for America, in fact he's never mentioned at all. It's all slavering fear-mongering and hate-filled rants.

Maybe if the Republicans tried saying more than just "OBAMA EVIL! ROMNEY NOT OBAMA! VOTE ROMNEY!"...
 
2012-08-20 10:31:26 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Maybe if the Republicans tried saying more than just "OBAMA EVIL! ROMNEY NOT OBAMA! VOTE ROMNEY!"


Its kinda hard to campaign on your candidate's strengths and vision when he's sorely lacking in both.
 
2012-08-20 10:32:26 PM  

Rockstone: Health care for everybody? It's not, and his plan is terrible


So you're saying Romney's health care plan is terrible?
 
2012-08-20 10:32:55 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: You still missed the point: 4 times in nearly 220 years? If you're asking for perfection, look elsewhere or better yet, stop looking. You'll be disappointed on what you think perfection should be and what it is.

I'm asking for a system that counts the vote of every person, is that too much to ask?


I don't know if you're still pissed off Gore didn't win, or what.....but the Electoral College is a system that works, and has worked very, very well for the last 235 years. If I have a box that does something, and it's been doing this something for 235 years, and only 4 times in 235 years it did not work, I would not throw that box out and get a new box.
 
2012-08-20 10:32:58 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: You still missed the point: 4 times in nearly 220 years? If you're asking for perfection, look elsewhere or better yet, stop looking. You'll be disappointed on what you think perfection should be and what it is.

I'm asking for a system that counts the vote of every person, is that too much to ask?


Maybe not, but I still fail to see the problem here. Do you want every major American city to decide who the President is? Or do you want a system that gives weight to votes from Iowa, Mississippi on a similar scale with those of the major states?
 
2012-08-20 10:34:15 PM  

Rockstone: Dumb words


And I'll bet you really believe that this is a meaningful response, too.
 
2012-08-20 10:34:19 PM  

moralpanic: [img37.imageshack.us image 395x500] 

I think i'm actually going to miss this election once it's over.


It's really wonderful, isn't it? And we were all worried it wouldn't be a curbstomp...

...Well, okay, in terms of trolling Obama's got kid gloves and frickin' handcuffs on, but it's apparently working wonders.
 
2012-08-20 10:37:41 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: Yes it is; Now, do we award part of the Vince Lombardi trophy to the New England Patriots for coming within one play of winning it? No; Giants had more points than them, so they won the trophy.

Same rule applies here; sorry if it doesn't meet up with your "lofty" standards.


There we have it folks, the most ridiculous analogy in the history of the internet.


Why? What you're asking for is what's happening with some kids' leagues all over the country: Every kid gets a trophy, regardless of whether they won or lost.

If that were to happen in this country, you'd have how our government functioned during the era of the Articles of Confederation. That, was at the least, chaotic.
 
2012-08-20 10:45:53 PM  
Well, I guess I was wrong about Consider This.

You guys have turned him from being nothing but a squeaky wannabe into a pro in just one thread.

I am disappoint.
 
2012-08-20 10:46:07 PM  
Given the FACT that republicans routinely refer to President Obama as a traitor (a far more serious charge), I have ZERO problem with them referring to a shady vulture capitalist like Rmoney as a felon.

Deal with it, crybabies.
 
2012-08-20 10:49:08 PM  
New York City is nearly half of New York state's population. It is heavily Democratic. Chicago is 1/4 of Illinois's population. It is heavily Democratic. The Los Angeles Metropolitan Area is about half of California's population. It is heavily Democratic.

Sensing a pattern here? Large, urban areas are predominantly Democratic. Rural, more sparsely-populated areas are not. That goes for above and below the Mason-Dixon line. If the only vote that elected the President was the popular vote, candidates would only appeal to heavily populated areas, where they have the best chance to get the most voters. People in Bumblefarkville with the one stoplight wouldn't bother voting, because there would be no point.

Voter turnout in this country already sucks, you want to make it worse?
 
2012-08-20 10:53:51 PM  

consider this: Coco LaFemme: I don't know if you're still pissed off Gore didn't win, or what.....but the Electoral College is a system that works, and has worked very, very well for the last 235 years. If I have a box that does something, and it's been doing this something for 235 years, and only 4 times in 235 years it did not work, I would not throw that box out and get a new box.

Yes, I mean what's the big deal if we elect a president with the minority of the vote once in a while?


Once in a while? Are you farking retarded? Before 2000, the last time it happened was 1888. Eighteen hundred and farking eighty-eight. That isn't quite "once in a while."

Tor_Eckman: Well, I guess I was wrong about Consider This.

You guys have turned him from being nothing but a squeaky wannabe into a pro in just one thread.

I am disappoint.


I'm bored, my boyfriend has the flu, and I can't sleep. I want to make the little sock-puppet dance for a while before I mercifully euthanize it.
 
2012-08-20 10:56:10 PM  

Coco LaFemme: New York City is nearly half of New York state's population. It is heavily Democratic. Chicago is 1/4 of Illinois's population. It is heavily Democratic. The Los Angeles Metropolitan Area is about half of California's population. It is heavily Democratic.

Sensing a pattern here? Large, urban areas are predominantly Democratic. Rural, more sparsely-populated areas are not. That goes for above and below the Mason-Dixon line. If the only vote that elected the President was the popular vote, candidates would only appeal to heavily populated areas, where they have the best chance to get the most voters. People in Bumblefarkville with the one stoplight wouldn't bother voting, because there would be no point.

Voter turnout in this country already sucks, you want to make it worse?


Conversely, if you really believe democracy is one person, one vote, the electoral college gives the residents of Bumfark, AK far too much influence over who runs this nation that happens to have a very large number of people in large, urban areas.

How many thousand New Yorkers have the same amount of influence as one Wyoming resident when it comes to electing a senator?
 
2012-08-20 10:57:35 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: Why? What you're asking for is what's happening with some kids' leagues all over the country: Every kid gets a trophy, regardless of whether they won or lost.

Stop trying to top yourself.


Stop trying to evade your own point; if you wanted each and every vote to count then Bush/Gore wouldn't have decided until March 2001 maybe? The Summer of 2001? The race was that close that it would've taken weeks for 101+ million votes to be accounted for and verified. Add to that the legal challenges by both sides as to whether certain votes were legit where others weren't and you'd have chaos that wouldn't just affect how government would function, but it could (I say could) have affected financial markets worldwide because of the uncertainty of who would lead the United States.

So yeah, while Bush won and that sucked balls, the EC worked because it settled the matter right then and there. Otherwise, you would've still had major debates as to whether Bush or Gore got enough votes.
 
2012-08-20 10:58:55 PM  

Bloody William: Conversely, if you really believe democracy is one person, one vote, the electoral college gives the residents of Bumfark, AK far too much influence over who runs this nation that happens to have a very large number of people in large, urban areas.

How many thousand New Yorkers have the same amount of influence as one Wyoming resident when it comes to electing a senator?


This is kind of it, the response to any defense of the EC. Why is it okay to disenfranchise urban voters to make rural voters feel more populous and more significant than they actually are?
 
2012-08-20 10:59:19 PM  

consider this: three elections ago is soooooooooooooooooooo long ag


There were only three elections between 1888 and 2000?
 
2012-08-20 11:02:32 PM  

Bloody William: the electoral college


Bloody William: electing a senator


No.
 
2012-08-20 11:03:14 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: So yeah, while Bush won and that sucked balls, the EC worked because it settled the matter right then and there.

Somebody doesn't remember 2000 that well. The electoral college is a ridiculous, outdated and not needed way of choosing a president, bottom line.


So IOW you would've wanted the other option? Weeks and weeks of not just verifying the votes but legal challenges galore as to who's vote counts?

Somebody doesn't remember how the markets reacted after the US credit rating was downgraded. Now think how the markets would've reacted if there was no President (or at least Clinton acted as a lame duck) well into February, March, etc. etc. and no governmental business was being conducted.
 
2012-08-20 11:04:29 PM  
Do I send this sock-puppet off to the Island of Misfit Toys now, or do I wait a while longer?
 
2012-08-20 11:06:08 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

I love how "upset" conservatives are getting because Obama's campaign has gone "negative." It seems like every other commercial here in Ohio is claiming that Obama is stealing money from your Grandma, hates all small businesses and other such nonsense, but those of course aren't negative, right?

They're upset about confronting a Democrat with a spinal column. This one actually fights back, which is clearly unfair.


"Lie still biatch! You're supposed to like it rough!"
 
2012-08-20 11:07:47 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Do I send this sock-puppet off to the Island of Misfit Toys now, or do I wait a while longer?


Wait a while longer, might give you an idea. :)
 
2012-08-20 11:11:57 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: So IOW you would've wanted the other option? Weeks and weeks of not just verifying the votes but legal challenges galore as to who's vote counts?

What happened in Florida happened with the electoral college in place. What in the hell are you even trying to say? Whether or not the electoral college exists, votes still need to be accurately counted.


Didn't they try to twice and finally gave up? Memory's hazy.

Anyway, it's been in place for almost two and a half centuries and only had four problems. That's a far better ratio than some other things. Perfection is an impossibility.
 
2012-08-20 11:12:16 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: So IOW you would've wanted the other option? Weeks and weeks of not just verifying the votes but legal challenges galore as to who's vote counts?

What happened in Florida happened with the electoral college in place. What in the hell are you even trying to say? Whether or not the electoral college exists, votes still need to be accurately counted.


So, you're not understanding that having to sift through hundreds of thousands of votes is less time consuming than sifting through hundreds of millions of votes? Congratulations, you might be developmentally disabled.
 
2012-08-20 11:17:20 PM  

consider this: Rwa2play: So IOW you would've wanted the other option? Weeks and weeks of not just verifying the votes but legal challenges galore as to who's vote counts?

What happened in Florida happened with the electoral college in place. What in the hell are you even trying to say? Whether or not the electoral college exists, votes still need to be accurately counted.


And again I say, you wanna keep the country on edge for weeks on end?

It wasn't just Florida: Iowa, New Mexico, Oregon and Wisconsin were decided by less than 1%. Say Gore got Florida and won, what makes you think Bush wouldn't have thrown up challenges in those states?
 
2012-08-20 11:18:12 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Rockstone: Health care for everybody? It's not, and his plan is terrible

So you're saying Romney's health care plan is terrible?


Well, yes
 
2012-08-20 11:18:47 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Rockstone: Dumb words

And I'll bet you really believe that this is a meaningful response, too.


Brainwashed Noob.
 
2012-08-20 11:21:38 PM  

consider this: Keizer_Ghidorah: Anyway, it's been in place for almost two and a half centuries and only had four problems. That's a far better ratio than some other things. Perfection is an impossibility.

In this case, perfection is as simple as adding up all the votes that have been counted and declaring a winner.


Mistakes happen. Deal with it.

Rockstone: Keizer_Ghidorah: Rockstone: Health care for everybody? It's not, and his plan is terrible

So you're saying Romney's health care plan is terrible?

Well, yes


So, how should we ensure health coverage for the entire country?
 
2012-08-20 11:25:14 PM  

consider this: Keizer_Ghidorah: Anyway, it's been in place for almost two and a half centuries and only had four problems. That's a far better ratio than some other things. Perfection is an impossibility.

In this case, perfection is as simple as adding up all the votes that have been counted and declaring a winner.


But did they REALLY put a hole in the mark next to Romney Bush's name? Or did they ACCIDENTALLY hit "Bush" when they meant "Obama" Kerry? Did they start to punch our guy's name and then hit the other one by mistake, or did they change their mind? After all, the popular margin wasn't that big...maybe all the ones who marked "Kerry" really meant "Bush" and then he would have won! Or the other way around, and then it would have been a landslide! And what about all those traditionally Dem counties that went Republican and vice versa? That can't be right! Clearly something is wrong and we need to run the entire election all over again...and again....and again.....

Even just adding up the votes would not equal perfection, if you really don't want it to be.
 
2012-08-20 11:26:54 PM  

consider this: Coco LaFemme: Do I send this sock-puppet off to the Island of Misfit Toys now, or do I wait a while longer?

Well it's official, somebody lost the argument.


You can't lose an argument when one person is arguing facts, and the other is arguing opinion. I presented the facts of why the EC works, why changing the system of electoral vote apportionment is problematic, and why dropping it altogether in favor of popular vote only would disenfranchise more voters than it empowers. What did you do? None of that.

There is a reason the "loser" won only four times in 235 years, and not 20 times or something. The system works, and it's worked very well. It will continue to work well, and your butthurt over 2000 isn't going to change that. So go log into your other account and leave this one to rest, Scooter.
 
2012-08-20 11:34:23 PM  
So this means that Todd Akin is President?
 
2012-08-20 11:35:57 PM  
If Obama wins he'll do things but you'll get over it. If Romney wins, you won't get over it because you'll be homeless and starved to death.
 
2012-08-20 11:39:46 PM  

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you libs are just lucky that we left out the part about how he's a lib, black, muslim, and from kenya
 
2012-08-20 11:41:48 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Bloody William: the electoral college

Bloody William: electing a senator

No.


They're two parts of the same problem: tying territory size to political influence instead of making one vote count as one vote equally to all.
 
2012-08-20 11:43:52 PM  

consider this: Coco LaFemme: You can't lose an argument when one person is arguing facts, and the other is arguing opinion. I presented the facts of why the EC works, why changing the system of electoral vote apportionment is problematic, and why dropping it altogether in favor of popular vote only would disenfranchise more voters than it empowers. What did you do? None of that.

There is a reason the "loser" won only four times in 235 years, and not 20 times or something. The system works, and it's worked very well. It will continue to work well, and your butthurt over 2000 isn't going to change that. So go log into your other account and leave this one to rest, Scooter.

Hey guys, the loser only won 4 times so it's a pretty good system. Never mind the fact that the winner would have won in every presidential election in our history if not for the electoral college. You've presented nothing but an opinion, a ridiculous one.


No, I presented quite a bit of fact, if you actually bothered to read anything.

Oh yeah, and I'm sure you're real broken up about the fact Samuel Tilden was never President.
 
2012-08-20 11:56:25 PM  

Sensei Can You See: Karac: And if you can't take the word of someone who has been accused of associating with cocaine funded terrorists, of killing cancer patients, and of torturing dogs, then who can you trust?

I just realized something: Obama has never been accused of farking sheep on the White House lawn. Nor has be been accused of feeding poisoned dead rats to Haitian orphans. In fact, he has also never once been accused of stuffing puppies into a blender. Has he ever been accused of kidnapping nuns and selling them into sexual slavery? Not that I'm aware of.


You must not be following Bill Donohue on twitter.
 
2012-08-21 12:14:22 AM  
Some of you guys need to reread the Cordes (FTFA) and Cutter (FTFT) quotes a bit more carefully. Focus especially on the words "might" and "either".

/might
//either
 
2012-08-21 12:15:41 AM  

InfamousBLT: CommieTaoist: Where's the link to the felon claim?

I love how "upset" conservatives are getting because Obama's campaign has gone "negative." It seems like every other commercial here in Ohio is claiming that Obama is stealing money from your Grandma, hates all small businesses and other such nonsense, but those of course aren't negative, right?

This. The best part is, my idiot parents keep complaining about how "Obama has a smear campaign." When I ask about the Romney commercials they say "well at least those are factual."

I don't even know how to argue derp like that.


Move out of their basement and you won't have to argue with them about petty political ads.
 
2012-08-21 12:21:16 AM  

Weaver95: Did the Republicans seriously believe that Obama's campaign wasn't going to fight back...?

ok, Republicans listen up. Obama is kicking your asses. you guys have lied, manipulated, spent oodles of cash, 'shaded' the truth...and basically done everything that's in your playbook...and it's not working. Obama not only has a copy of your playbook, he's obviously made sure all his people read it as well. so either you come up with something new and radical, or you fail. this is your chance to show america that you guys have what it takes! quit sniveling, you whiny maggots! get yer heads in the game!


tell that to the democratic led senate about passing a budget.
 
2012-08-21 12:23:08 AM  

consider this: Coco LaFemme: You can't lose an argument when one person is arguing facts, and the other is arguing opinion. I presented the facts of why the EC works, why changing the system of electoral vote apportionment is problematic, and why dropping it altogether in favor of popular vote only would disenfranchise more voters than it empowers. What did you do? None of that.

There is a reason the "loser" won only four times in 235 years, and not 20 times or something. The system works, and it's worked very well. It will continue to work well, and your butthurt over 2000 isn't going to change that. So go log into your other account and leave this one to rest, Scooter.

Hey guys, the loser only won 4 times so it's a pretty good system. Never mind the fact that the winner would have won in every presidential election in our history if not for the electoral college. You've presented nothing but an opinion, a ridiculous one.


You've presented nothing but some whining about a supposedly unfair system.

Newsflash: the system ain't gonna change between now and November.

As a famous Republican once said, "you don't go to war with the army you wish you had."
 
2012-08-21 12:25:03 AM  
The Republicans are such farking babies. They beat up on women, try to flip shiat, and cry when they can't deal with it.

And this is their general policy. One must wonder what their voters are really like if this is considered voteworthy.
 
2012-08-21 12:29:02 AM  

Coco LaFemme: If I have a box that does something, and it's been doing this something for 235 years, and only 4 times in 235 years it did not work, I would not throw that box out and get a new box.


Right, but the Electoral College doesn't do its thing continuously, but rather one time every four years.

So what we're really talking about is a failure rate of 4/58, or just under 7% of Presidential elections to date. That's a couple orders of magnitude worse than is generally considered acceptable.

(Presuming that 'success' means the EC outcome matches the national popular vote, and we're sick of repeatedly explaining why that was not the Founders' intent.)
 
2012-08-21 12:36:25 AM  

RyogaM: MyRandomName: Calling your opponent a felon by insinuating they committed a felony and then saying government agencies should investigate is the shiat pu tin and chavez do

You...were alive in the 1990s, right? Whitewater? Travelgate? Vince Foster's "murder?" "Watermelon Man" Dan Burton? MENA airport? Cattle future? The Clinton murder list? Ring a bell?

Christ, you never respond anyway. I'm pissing in the wind.


Except all those things were made up. Romney has put himself in the position where he is either (a)lying to the public about not being in charge of Bain during a specific time-period, or (b) he was lying to the to the FEC by because he said he was in charge of Bain during that same time-period. This is an either/or situation without any option for c) None of the above, as it was for Vince Foster, et. al.

Pointing out that this is a binary situation is not the same thing as calling Romney a felon. It's pointing out that either Romney is lying to America about his tenure at Bain during massive off-shoring OR he is lied to the FEC. While it s true that the latter option WOULD make Romney a felon, the most likely thing is that Romney is lying to America because he doesn't want to take responsibility for something that is deeply unpopular with the American people. It also undercuts his message that he is all about creating job. Essentially, what his opposition is doing is saying that it is highly unlikely that Romney is a felon.
 
2012-08-21 12:50:45 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Looks like the campaign needs to bring him up to speed on their little side mission.


The campaign said that Romney either lied to the SEC, or lied to the american people. One of those is a felony. It's funny how given those two possibilities, Romney objects to being called a possible felon, but said nothing about being called a possible liar.
 
2012-08-21 12:53:12 AM  
Romney killed some woman
Romney believes people of color are subhuman
Romney lied on his taxes (felony)
Romney lied about Bain (felony)
Romney is going to put some people back in chains
Romney is hated by Europeans
Romney is planning on killing old people

"Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony," Cutter said on a conference call with reporters back then.
 
2012-08-21 01:03:51 AM  
Dunno if this's been covered or not, but there's also the allegations regarding the fundraising Romney did while overseas - in particular, while in Israel.

Big No-No. Our election, not yours. Cannot has.
 
2012-08-21 01:06:41 AM  

Coco LaFemme: consider this: kevinfra: Popular vote
Bush: 50,456,002
Gore: 50,999,897

I guess you missed the part where I said that result was bullshiat.

Hey sparklefark, shut the hell up already. The US is not getting rid of the Electoral College, no matter how outdated, stupid, messed up, farked up, or absurd you think it is. It exists for a reason, and that's because the Founding Fathers knew that direct election, such as you are proposing, can lead to tyranny of the majority.....which they wanted to avoid. Ever read about ancient Greece and their governmental issues? Specifically in the Senate? If you did, as they did, you'd understand why the EC exists, and what its existence means to prevent. All the popular vote does is accurately demonstrate how farking pathetic our voter turnout is, and making it the sole arbiter for who is elected President every 4 years won't do jack or shiat to change that.

So please......quit while you're ahead.

 

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2012-08-21 01:06:49 AM  

Rockstone: Killed Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't him


Bullshiat. It wasn't only him, and no one ever claimed it was, but without him, Osama is still alive. He went against most of his advisers and chose an extremely risky course of action.

If Osama weren't there and/or a SEAL had been injured or killed, the very people saying "Obama didn't do anything" would have held Obama personally and solely responsible, and Obama could have kissed a second term goodbye right then and there.

It was a risky, ballsy decision and he deserves credit for it.

Many of your other points are nearly as stupid, but this bullshiat talking point needs to stop
 
2012-08-21 01:19:42 AM  
I suppose even politicians are learning that SuperPACs are a bad idea.
 
2012-08-21 01:20:05 AM  
If lying was a crime, Romney would be doing time.
 
2012-08-21 01:31:29 AM  

consider this: Lando Lincoln: a supposedly unfair system

What part of the loser winning don't you farking understand?


I think most people see the loser here.

Thanks for threadshiatting.
 
2012-08-21 02:25:17 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: I said it before, if I were Obama's campaign chief, I would be out there every day. "Nobody is calling Mitt Romney a felon. We absolutely reject any insinuation that Mitt Romney is a felon. Why, Mitt Romney himself says that Mitt Romney is not a felon, and if you can't trust Romney, you can you trust? No, Mitt Romney is definitely not a felon. Felon."


"There's no way we can claim Romney's a felon. Certainly, we have have no proof that Romney had shot a person, or had ever raped a woman, or even perhaps falsely signed documents claiming something he verbally said otherwise. Those would be completely unsubstantiated claims. They're not even rumors, as no one is saying them or spreading them. Well, except the possibility of the documents thing. Or that he may have claimed residence in one location, but lived in another. Or that he leveraged tax loopholes -- which are completely legal, by the way -- for his own benefit. No, we make no claims that Romney is a felon. Not possible. At least not without a clear display of his tax returns. For the past 12 years."
 
2012-08-21 03:36:20 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Rockstone: Killed Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't him

Bullshiat. It wasn't only him, and no one ever claimed it was, but without him, Osama is still alive. He went against most of his advisers and chose an extremely risky course of action.

If Osama weren't there and/or a SEAL had been injured or killed, the very people saying "Obama didn't do anything" would have held Obama personally and solely responsible, and Obama could have kissed a second term goodbye right then and there.

It was a risky, ballsy decision and he deserves credit for it.

Many of your other points are nearly as stupid, but this bullshiat talking point needs to stop


It really is amusing how the right took "Obama gave the word for the operation to proceed", twisted it into "Obama did everything", and then screamed about how "Everyone is saying 'Obama did it all by himself'!".

Their capacity for twisting, manipulating, and outright lying knows no bounds.
 
2012-08-21 04:18:51 AM  

unit63: Coco LaFemme: consider this: kevinfra: Popular vote
Bush: 50,456,002
Gore: 50,999,897

I guess you missed the part where I said that result was bullshiat.

Hey sparklefark, shut the hell up already. The US is not getting rid of the Electoral College, no matter how outdated, stupid, messed up, farked up, or absurd you think it is. It exists for a reason, and that's because the Founding Fathers knew that direct election, such as you are proposing, can lead to tyranny of the majority.....which they wanted to avoid. Ever read about ancient Greece and their governmental issues? Specifically in the Senate? If you did, as they did, you'd understand why the EC exists, and what its existence means to prevent. All the popular vote does is accurately demonstrate how farking pathetic our voter turnout is, and making it the sole arbiter for who is elected President every 4 years won't do jack or shiat to change that.

So please......quit while you're ahead. 

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Ancient Greece is a bad example for two reasons: One, not everyone could vote, since the electorate was restricted to adult male citizens; and two, among those who COULD vote, it was not optional, it was required. Failure to vote, in Ancient Greece, could result in banishment, deprivation of rights or even death, depending on who was ruling. Therefore, they usually had a 100% turnout among eligible voters.

In our system, everyone can vote if they feel like it, or if they care enough to try; so we have a miserable 50% turnout at best, even though more people are actually enfranchised to do so.
 
2012-08-21 05:27:09 AM  

Coco LaFemme: State legislatures are responsible for how electoral votes are divvied up; either winner-takes-all, electoral districts, Congressional District, or proportional. Splitting the votes, as you propose, would make it almost impossible for a candidate to achieve the requisite 270 electoral votes to win. California has 55 electoral votes; if Obama gets 66% of the popular vote, and California changed the method of apportioning electors and went to proportional....he'd get 2/3 of 55. What is 2/3 of 55? Not an even number, I'll help you out. So then how to do parse a fraction of an elector? That's one good reason to keep winner-takes-all. Keeps all the numbers nice and round, with no decimals.


So we should stay with an archaic way of determining who should be president because you don't wanna round?

...and the dumbing down of America continues...
 
2012-08-21 05:28:38 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: consider this: Rwa2play: So IOW you would've wanted the other option? Weeks and weeks of not just verifying the votes but legal challenges galore as to who's vote counts?

What happened in Florida happened with the electoral college in place. What in the hell are you even trying to say? Whether or not the electoral college exists, votes still need to be accurately counted.

Didn't they try to twice and finally gave up? Memory's hazy.


No, the Supreme Court told them to stop counting and give Florida's EVs to Bush.
 
2012-08-21 05:30:29 AM  

Coco LaFemme: There is a reason the "loser" won only four times in 235 years, and not 20 times or something.


With the popular vote, the "loser" would never win. Of course, the inherent problem with that is why we have the EC in the first place.
 
2012-08-21 06:53:44 AM  
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2012-08-21 08:19:51 AM  
But in recent weeks, your campaign has suggested repeatedly - without proof - that Mr. Romney might be hiding something in his tax returns.

Ann Romney said releasing his returns would give the Dems "Ammo".

Of course Mitt's hiding something. Probably several somethings. The question isn't "If?" it's "What?".

They have suggested that Mr. Romney might be a felon for the way that he handed over power of Bain Capital.

Romney lied about when he stopped being in charge over there and then changed his story later when it was politically convenient for him. Nobody in the campaign has outright called him a felon per se just a really bad and inveterate liar who can't be trusted to do anything other than lie.

And your campaign and the White House have declined to condemn an ad by one of your top supporters that links Mr. Romney to a woman's death from cancer.

Why should they? Romney's camp is saying that Obama is saying in those ads "OMG, Romney totally killed this guy's wife!11!" when in fact, it was more a more indirect but still undeniable chain of events. False absolutist arguments are about as common with the GOP as false equivalence BS is in the corporate media.

Are you comfortable with the tone being set with your campaign?

I'm more comfortable with the tone of the Obama campaign than I am yours here, toots.
 
2012-08-21 05:48:12 PM  

quatchi: Ann Romney said releasing his returns would give the Dems "Ammo".

Of course Mitt's hiding something. Probably several somethings. The question isn't "If?" it's "What?".


I don't even get the "you claim--without proof--that Romney is hiding something in his tax returns."

Uh, yeah. He is hiding his f*cking tax returns! That's why we don't know what's in them!
 
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