sigdiamond2000: Then during the late 1960s, radical feminists encouraged young women to set aside their traditional family roles as homemakers, helpmates, child nurturers and husband civilizers for something trumpted as much more rewarding.

What the f*ck is a "helpmate?"

An unpaid assistant. Think: an intern, but you can sleep with her without getting into trouble. Also, she is allowed to run all your personal errands, do your cleaning, and make all your meals.

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THAT has always made me laugh. Not a stand that I would endorse, but funny as shiat.

Diogenes: Q: Why is a woman's brain less than a man's?

A: Hers is used.

I like you.

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kind of cute as well

Yeah, she is kinda cute... Looks like she might have the right build to have a sexy baby belly, too. Good call

Okay, sunshine.

By all means, please report in to the same job I do. Six AM is a standard first day start. Several weeks before you show up, please complete about thirty pages of background check paperwork. Be prepared to be drug tested. Now, kindly sit through several weeks of qualification training.

In the event you pass all of the above, you'll be rewarded with your badge. It's not permanent, oh no, you'll be handing that back over before you leave and you'll have to repeat most of the above. You'll also get your dosimetry. Now, good for you! You too can deal with the daily drive, the twelve hour shifts six days a week, going through security every day. All this so you can be exposed to radiation on the job!

Now that we're inside the building, let's go get dressed out. Why start on the shallow end? Get your ass in double anti contamination gear, here's a bubblehood. Let's go help the deconners with the cavity. Come on, it's only a three hour period in a plastic suit with a respirator pump providing all your air because if you have to escape strip, you're a bodycount.

No? Come on, it's fun!

/my industry is special like a short bus 
//there are a lot of women in my industry

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: God Is My Co-Pirate: impaler: Eventually, the law of supply and demand kicked in, and the oversupply of labor forced wages for both genders to fall. As a consequence, it now requires both partners to be employed in order to make ends meet.

You forgot that more workers doesn't just mean more supply, it means more demand. More people working means more people buying things.

Otherwise a generally increasing population will always result in wage suppression.

And how did we manage unemployment rates as low as 4% at times with this "oversupply of labor"?

Also, the post-war years were a weird economic blip. Historically, women have always worked. Usually in the family store or workshop or inn, in the fields, or in service. Only the aristocratic few ever sat around eating bonbons (which, it should be pointed out, applies to men as well).

And therein lay the problem with most American Conservatives. At *most* their idea of "traditional" goes back to the 1880s, but, really, it's more likely that they, for some reason, believe that the post-War era was actually how things always were and that Things Were Fine(tm) until that changed.

Except for taxes. Taxes were wrong in the post war years. As a matter of fact, those weren't really the taxes back then because they were only paid on the part of the income that over a certain amount, not like now when the tax covers the whole income.*

*Real argument put forth by a conservative on Facebook. I wish he was kidding, but he wasn't.

Why in God's green earth are there still people who think like this?

kiwimoogle84: MoronLessOff: kiwimoogle84: Shadow Blasko: kiwimoogle84: And BS. There are some jobs men won't do. Are the family men going to run the Macy's makeup counter? Are they going to sew clothes? Are they going to run day cares? No of course not. 95% of my building is women.

Wow ... I have all three of those jobs (Well, not at Macy's, but selling and applying makeup).

I also sewed three of the things I am wearing right now. As in MADE, not repaired. I sell those as well.

/feeding the trolls ...

Ok well usually straight family men would shy away from those jobs.

You're sexist.

I'm not. Usually straight familymen would prefer to fix computers or swing a hammer rather than sell maternity clothes. You know I'm right. Just as you don't find many female loggers, men don't usually sell makeup. USUAL is the operative word, here. You know I'm right.

Of course I do. But if there was ever a time to make sexist jokes, this is it.
/GIS for Women Lumberjack yields some interesting results.

Actually, it was during World War II that women entered the work force en masse, because they had to take over the jobs that had been abandoned by male soldiers going overseas.

Regardless, if Mr. Drummond's concern is really to reduce potential labor supply in the marketplace (let's ignore the fact that in some market areas, such as nursing, there is a huge demand still), then why is he not suggesting men take their turn at home? If they're concerned about using formula then have mom pump herself before going to work, and dad can feed the kid.

Oh, that's right, this isn't about reducing the labor supply - it's about getting women back in their "proper place" according to subtly misogynistic men. :P Sorry, Mr. Drummond, I think we'll just wait until you die and move on with our lives.

OgreMagi: Spaced Cowboy: Beware middle age women in middle management. You'll never find a less reasonable, less intelligent breed of human on the planet.

I've worked with some highly competent middle management women who were a joy to work for.

Then I've worked with the biatch shrews who think they have to prove something by berating all the men every chance they get.

For some reason, the hotter the woman manager, the bigger the biatch. I guess they are trying to prove they didn't get their job on their backs. Their actions suggest otherwise.

I despise working with mostly women. And here's why. The HR policies regarding them are so unequal. Young mothers need time off, sometimes extra, for sick kids, and yes, sometimes young mothers get sick and need time off too. What I have a problem with is as an older female who NEVER had kids, I *can* be required to bring in a physician's excuse if I miss over 3 consecutive days. A mother (or father, for that matter) is not required to for missing the same amount of time due to their child's illness. This is a routinely abused practice, and you cannot bring it to HR, because then you are branded "a jealous bad person" because the rules are not the same. I'm not saying take away time from parents; I suggest adjusting the rules so we all get to play the same game.

/not that upset though, just wish they would make it fair
//work with nearly all males
///some of 'em are kinda hot too

_{and why because I'm over 49 and single I get the 'lesbian' nod?}

And I know this is anecdotal but..

As a woman, who was raised by a woman who felt compelled to leave the work force to be a good mom (and she was), fark this piece of slime who says they're "happier." She was one of the most unhappy people I've ever known in my life because once the kids didn't need her around any more, she'd lost all sense of who she was. fark him to hell.

Washington and Greene counties are right next door to West Virginia. I have been all over Pennsylvania, and there are few other places in the state as backwards as that region. Fayette is the next most backwards, and it borders both Washington and Greene.

And it would ease the traffic congestion too......
/ snarky

kiwimoogle84: MoronLessOff: kiwimoogle84: MoronLessOff: kiwimoogle84: Shadow Blasko: kiwimoogle84: And BS. There are some jobs men won't do. Are the family men going to run the Macy's makeup counter? Are they going to sew clothes? Are they going to run day cares? No of course not. 95% of my building is women.

Wow ... I have all three of those jobs (Well, not at Macy's, but selling and applying makeup).

I also sewed three of the things I am wearing right now. As in MADE, not repaired. I sell those as well.

/feeding the trolls ...

Ok well usually straight family men would shy away from those jobs.

You're sexist.

I'm not. Usually straight familymen would prefer to fix computers or swing a hammer rather than sell maternity clothes. You know I'm right. Just as you don't find many female loggers, men don't usually sell makeup. USUAL is the operative word, here. You know I'm right.

Of course I do. But if there was ever a time to make sexist jokes, this is it.
/GIS for Women Lumberjack yields some interesting results.

I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK...

But when you put on women's clothing and hang around in bars, it's not funny.

If you have to compete against a woman, you probably don't want that job.

We had a Chief in my Air National Guard unit that was very vocal about his belief that females had no business working, much less wearing uniforms. He really believed that the wrath of God would rain down on working women for their insubordination to His word. He was such a loudmouth jerk about it he was finally forced to retire.

He and his ugly wife were recently arrested for keeping their daughter in a chicken coop wearing a shock collar.

silverjets: Where I work one lady got promoted to head of department while pregnant. She was almost ready to pop any day. Before she could even move into her new office she was off on maternatiy leave. So the company had to go through the entire process again to find a temporary head of the department to cover for her while she was off for the year. After her year off, she comes back and less than a year later she was off again on another maternatity leave. So once again the company had to find an interim head for that department until the person they actually hired for the job comes back to work.

It's farking ridiculous.

I know a guy who spent good money putting his daughter through school getting an engineering degree. She worked for one year after graduation/marriage before quitting to become a stay at home mom.

It is worse in the military . In the old days they would have simply dicharged a woman who became pregnant now they are kept on active duty even if it means they are non-deployable or cannot even performed the job they have been trained for, and the military cannot hire temps Guess who has to pick up the slack while the woman wnats to play both soldier and mommy. Of course come time for promotion they cannot be penalized for it.

A man cannot get pregnant but if he purposely makes himself medically unavailble for deployment he faces disciplinary action. A woman can get pregnant and face no such prospects..

If out of a 4 year enlisment a women is pregnant once or twice the tax payers have not got a good return on their investment

kiwimoogle84: YEREVAN: If you have to compete against a woman, you probably don't want that job.

Ehh, I take offense to that. My sister in law runs a science lab at Praxair.

That explains a lot.

/don't hit me...

I vote that the lesbians both stay at home bringing up the gay guys' babies, and in the evening, when they get back from work, the lesbians bring them pie.

Back when I was little, women got to be nuns and housewives. So, all the lesbians and introverts went into the convent and the rest of 'em got married. Divorce was difficult, if not impossible. There was a lot of violent/drunk/not-talking households. It was like "Mad Men" only without the bed hopping or attractive coworkers.

It was not the sandwich making paradise the letter writer envisioned.

KrispyKritter: most of what the author wrote is spot-on. then our family court system in america was the final bullet in the chamber that killed the american family forever as adult males were stripped of any reasonable rights. those in WashDC use the tax money stolen from your pockets to fund the thinktanks keeping them so many moves in front of you on the chess board of life that you can't comprehend how farked you are. divide and conquer, keep them stupid, keep them scared. you go to their schools and you swallow whatever load they shoot down your throats willingly, thank them and come back for more.

look around you at the mess, the unhappiness, the crime and filth. you're a pawn of the most evil empire on earth. people around the world hate you, what you stand for and your wicked evil ways. you have your fellow countrymen of wealth, power and influence to thank for that. keep sending your children to church so they can be raped, then have them join the military so they can enjoy killing people around the world.

some day there will be no more stick shifts or angora sweaters. then you'll be sorry.

Lots of stick shift and such here in Deutschland.

I'm sure this guy's ultra-conservative compatriots would just love to see wages and benefits rise to a level where a family could survive on one income with no assistance from the government. I know a LOT of people, including yours truly, who have families where one spouse basically works JUST for medical insurance. Subtract insurance and daycare from my wife's check, and she has about enough left to buy gas to drive to work and back. Universal healthcare isn't an option because that's socialism, and socialism is BAD. Maybe if we pray very hard to the Job Creators and offer them a burnt offering of a tax cut, they will bring back full medical coverage, generous pensions AND living wages. I've heard, however, that they are fickle and angry Gods and not to be trifled with. We should probably just give them the tax break and not ask for anything in return, lest they choose to smite our economy and destroy our jobs with their wrath.

He may very well be right that the large influx of female workers has contributed to lower or at least stagnant wages due to labor oversupply in some way (there are probably many other more influential factors, however), but even if that's true, it's not because they're women. Using gender as a line to remove people from the workforce would just be stupid. From a utilitarian standpoint, at the least, it'd remove half of the creative pool in the workplace, and from a fairness standpoint, it'd place even more burden on men to be supporters and more restrictions on women who want to support themselves, among other things.

Those things don't seem like a good trade for potentially higher wages.

The Ghost of Tom Ace: Although never married, I did have a taste of what it was like being the stay-at-home dad for a short time, and fellas let me tell you... It's awesome! Sure, there were the errands, the cleaning shiatty diapers, etc., but there was also video games, internet trolling, Marhall half-stack at 11 sessions, and the daily food experiments. Not to mention the freelance work on the side I did for my own cash, where I also made my own hours.

Guys, we should be encouraging the women to take the role that we had prior to the women's rights era!

This, was laid off for 6 months just after my first was born. We had enough money in the bank and the wife was pulling in enough where we would not have to worry about money well past those 6 months. Freak'n rocked but it does complicate my wifes life now. When she came home the house was was clean, I was barefoot in the kitchen finishing up diner and I had her martini already made.... I do get grumbly when I come home now.... stepping over kids toys, being told to get the pizza out of the fridge, no you cannot have a beer, and then hear about the inane plot lines on some dumb soap.....

hasty ambush: Obamacare mandates all sorts of free services for women why don't men get a cost equvilent or an even bigger break on insurance premiums to even thigns out? Don't give me that high pitched whine about women having to pay more for health insurance . The younger dames are not too upset about being given a break on car insurance over their male counterparts.

Are you aware of the fact that health insurance for reproductive aged women on the individual market is roughly double that of men's? Why would that be? Partially it's because women actually go to the damn doctor, but a large chunk of it is due to maternity care. It costs roughly seven grand to have an uncomplicated vaginal delivery. Explain to me how its fair or good policy to force pregnant women onto medicaid, taking into account that it takes two to tango.

hasty ambush: If the genders are equal why does a violent crime aganst a woman warrant increased prosecutional effort and punishement?

Source?

kiwimoogle84: MoronLessOff: kiwimoogle84: YEREVAN: If you have to compete against a woman, you probably don't want that job.

Ehh, I take offense to that. My sister in law runs a science lab at Praxair.

That explains a lot.

/don't hit me...

You're going on the "not invited to my birthday" list.

I'm done, I swears. I'm sure your sister is a lovely and intelligent woman. Much like yourself.

AverageAmericanGuy: Soymilk: attention span of a retarded fruit fly: I'm sitting on Fark while i'm drinking tea and my hubby's out bustin his butt for a dollar. Screw the work place.

I cook three times a day and clean. I also don't have a boss and I do what I want when I want.

/Screw the workplace.
// Feminism you are doing it wrong.

You don't find it dull?

Why would you think it would be dull.

I do what I want when I want

That would be dull to someone with no imagination, hobbies, or desire to better themselves. Does that describe you?

I find my work to be very rewarding, as I feel it contribute to society by making people's lives better. I thoroughly enjoyed my education and the fact that it led to a rewarding career. When I tried the housewife route (no kids), it really was dull - no amount of sewing or reading or gardening or quilting circles ever came close to the satisfaction I attained from my work. I guess that makes me someone with no imagination, hobbies, or desire to better myself in your eyes?
/runs off crying
//cashes paycheck first

Why would I want to marry someone who is useless??? I don't own a farm like my great-great-grandpa did. After doing the dishes there isn't much in the way of daily chores in my home. So what this guy is advocating is that I work my ass off so some freeloader can sit on her butt and watch YouTube all day?

FARK THAT NOISE, SON.

Elzar: Karac: What would happen today if most married women remained in the home fulfilling their traditional family roles?

A lot more people would end up on medicaid and welfare because their family went from 2 incomes to 1.

Pretty much THIS. Also this neglects the fact that there are millions more single-parent families then in the post-war era. So what are all those women supposed to do?

Jesus farking Christ conservative rose-colored philosophies are so farking retarded. When will these non-adaptive jarring knotty-pated hedge-pigs die off?

liam76: I read somewhere their periods attract bears. Bears can smell the menstruation.

When darwinian effects are allowed to work.

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kind of cute as well

That floor needs a mopp'n.

kiwimoogle84: YEREVAN: If you have to compete against a woman, you probably don't want that job.

Ehh, I take offense to that. My sister in law runs a science lab at Praxair.

If you think about it, a kitchen is sort of a science lab.

hasty ambush: I know a guy who spent good money putting his daughter through school getting an engineering degree. She worked for one year after graduation/marriage before quitting to become a stay at home mom.

Wouldn't a year of an engineering salary generally pay for getting an engineering degree?

4 pages and I STILL don't have my gotdam sammich!

Every single one of the points he makes can be attributed to having a stay at home parent. Whether that's the mother, or father is irrelevant and is further highlighted by the fact that a homosexual couple could make the same decision.

The scary part is that his other points about the economy and the effect women had in the workforce are someone tangible yet they originated from pure misogyny. Hrmph..

Ambitwistor: JackieRabbit: Actually, this clown mixes some valid and compelling social and economic ideas with pure bullshiat. He did it rather well, too.

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I dont get why there is a neon outline of the British Isles on the ight side of the image.

Good Gawd that was a lot of derp.

He sounds so bitter. In between the whining, I heard: "My pay is shiat, my job sucks, no one else will hire me - and it's all because women are kicking my ass in the workforce rather than being kept in the house where they belong."

/that's a lot of hating on women for one letter.

gulogulo: And I know this is anecdotal but..

As a woman, who was raised by a woman who felt compelled to leave the work force to be a good mom (and she was), fark this piece of slime who says they're "happier." She was one of the most unhappy people I've ever known in my life because once the kids didn't need her around any more, she'd lost all sense of who she was. fark him to hell.

This is a fiasco in both directions. I agree completely that nobody should be forced or feel compelled to stay home and raise their kids like that. But on the other hand, nobody should *ever* be stigmatized for choosing to do so. It's bad enough that some women look down on women who choose this as if they were betraying their sex somehow-- but men who make the same choice are stigmatized by nearly everyone.

That said, I'm not sure how either choice could make a person lose their sense of self. That seems like it's probably an unrelated issue. If who you are is so tied up in your job or your kids that a change in either destroys it, the issue is not your job or your kids.

Magnanimous_J: kiwimoogle84: YEREVAN: If you have to compete against a woman, you probably don't want that job.

Ehh, I take offense to that. My sister in law runs a science lab at Praxair.

If you think about it, a kitchen is sort of a science lab.


Agrees.

Ugh, men can get just as biatchy as women, it's about the personality NOT the parts we were born with.

Office politics and people SUCK!

Women have worked throughout history, these gender stereotypes are a fairly new, since the industrial revolution and they changed all the time. Beer is a "man's" business now but throughout history has been mostly a woman's occupation.

Don't let your gender define you, just be honest with yourself.