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(Forbes)   Article claims the iPhone is worth more than all of Microsoft, and it sure seems that way when you sign a contract for one   (forbes.com) divider line 54
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2012-08-20 01:39:42 PM
Does this mean the iPhone jumped the shark?
 
2012-08-20 01:45:36 PM
Based on what I've seen of Windows 8 and Surface, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this became true within the next couple of years.

/it helps that the iPhone is the smartphone of the lowest common denominator
 
2012-08-20 01:54:36 PM
While the iPhone has been a massive success I'm not sure I would agree with the author's point.

Where would the world be without Microsoft?

Where would the world be without the iPhone?
 
2012-08-20 01:55:34 PM
An article spending its entire time explaining a relatively straightforward snippet from another article? Really?
 
2012-08-20 01:58:47 PM

hawcian: An article spending its entire time explaining a relatively straightforward snippet from another article? Really?


It's not news, it's Forbes.com!
 
2012-08-20 02:11:43 PM
Unless you calculate "worth" in one of several different ways, conveniently listed in the article, that might give different results, yeah. So, misleading article is misleading... but at least it is forthcoming about being misleading.

Also, TFA: The truly strange thing is that they've managed to gain this level of sales while making software style margins on selling hardware. That's the trick that no one else is managing at all.

That's because the "trick" is to create a false sense of scarcity and/or exclusivity, and there is already a product catering to that crowd.
 
2012-08-20 02:27:05 PM

change1211: Where would the world be without Microsoft?


Ah...let me pour a glass of Cognac, sit back, and dream about that for a few hours.
 
2012-08-20 02:31:02 PM
Well, Apple's marketshare in the cell phone market is only going to decline as competitors offer equally high quality smartphones as well second-rate but cheaply priced smartphones (where Andriod dominates the latter).

It's not Apple's style, but they should come out with a cheaper version of the iPhone. Heck, it could just be the 3GS. The longterm value is having as many people part of the Apple ecosystem buying products from the App Store.
 
2012-08-20 02:32:32 PM
So... What?

Does that mean we're supposed to throw out all our windows based computers today and order I-Macs?
 
2012-08-20 02:34:43 PM
does that mean i should decommission all my windows servers and get apple x servers? oh wait they dont make those anymore.
 
2012-08-20 02:36:04 PM

change1211:
Where would the world be without the iPhone?

Looking at the blackberry smartphones and their android clones deciding we are better off with an dumb phone.

 
2012-08-20 02:45:23 PM

Satanic_Hamster: So... What?

Does that mean we're supposed to throw out all our windows based computers today and order I-Macs?


It means you should dislike a company. Because think different or something.

/never seen a task a Mac could do that a person with actual knowledge couldn't do as well or better on a PC
 
2012-08-20 02:48:42 PM
FTFA: One Apple product, something that didn't exist five years ago, has higher sales than everything Microsoft has to offer. More than Windows, Office, Xbox, Bing, Windows Phone, and every other product that Microsoft has created since 1975. In the quarter ended March 31, 2012, iPhone had sales of $22.7 billion; Microsoft Corporation, $17.4 billion.

Is the article writer clinically retarded? I mean, seriously? Why write such bombastic yet ultimately false "more than everything since 1975!!!!" opener?
 
2012-08-20 02:52:46 PM

change1211: Where would the world be without the iPhone?


Standing in front of the window, wondering whether or not it's raining outside.
 
2012-08-20 03:07:59 PM
rocky_howard: FTFA: One Apple product, something that didn't exist five years ago, has higher sales than everything Microsoft has to offer. More than Windows, Office, Xbox, Bing, Windows Phone, and every other product that Microsoft has created since 1975. In the quarter ended March 31, 2012, iPhone had sales of $22.7 billion; Microsoft Corporation, $17.4 billion.

Is the article writer clinically retarded? I mean, seriously? Why write such bombastic yet ultimately false "more than everything since 1975!!!!" opener?


Because the author is a very biased iDrone trying to promote Apple, does really this surprise you?
 
2012-08-20 03:12:05 PM

thornhill: Well, Apple's marketshare in the cell phone market is only going to decline as competitors offer equally high quality smartphones as well second-rate but cheaply priced smartphones (where Andriod dominates the latter).

It's not Apple's style, but they should come out with a cheaper version of the iPhone. Heck, it could just be the 3GS. The longterm value is having as many people part of the Apple ecosystem buying products from the App Store.


Last I checked, I could still "buy" a 3GS iPhone. And by "buy", I mean, "get for free if I sign a new contract". Might be limited to AT&T though.
 
2012-08-20 03:14:06 PM

thornhill: Well, Apple's marketshare in the cell phone market is only going to decline as competitors offer equally high quality smartphones as well second-rate but cheaply priced smartphones (where Andriod dominates the latter).

It's not Apple's style, but they should come out with a cheaper version of the iPhone. Heck, it could just be the 3GS. The longterm value is having as many people part of the Apple ecosystem buying products from the App Store.


The 3GS is like $0.99 on contract these days. iPhone 4 under $100, and I've seen the 4s at under $150.

When the iPhone shiats next month you'll see further drops.
 
2012-08-20 03:15:04 PM
Pwned by filter? Hits = shiats?
 
2012-08-20 03:16:47 PM
Ok, apparently I typed "iPhone shiats" but typo'd so there was no space after 5 and hits so the Fark filter thought I was 1337 typing "shiat". Ha!
 
2012-08-20 03:17:51 PM
Lol again you can't type "5" with the word "hits" after without Fark changing to "shiat". Big aggressive on that filter guys!
 
2012-08-20 03:23:56 PM

OriginalGamer: Lol again you can't type "5" with the word "hits" after without Fark changing to "shiat". Big aggressive on that filter guys!


Yeah, extra fun in the sports tab.
 
2012-08-20 03:24:56 PM

thornhill: It's not Apple's style, but they should come out with a cheaper version of the iPhone. Heck, it could just be the 3GS. The longterm value is having as many people part of the Apple ecosystem buying products from the App Store.


You mean like the iPhone 3GS for free?

Link

They also sell the iPhone 4 with 8Gb for $100.

Link

And there are starting to be discounts on the 4S as the next-gen iPhone will be out next month.
 
2012-08-20 03:28:23 PM

Strolpol: Based on what I've seen of Windows 8 and Surface, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this became true within the next couple of years.

/it helps that the iPhone is the smartphone of the lowest common denominator


I thought the iPhone was the choice for elitist hipsters.
 
2012-08-20 03:31:29 PM

Ed Grubermann: Strolpol: Based on what I've seen of Windows 8 and Surface, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this became true within the next couple of years.

/it helps that the iPhone is the smartphone of the lowest common denominator

I thought the iPhone was the choice for elitist hipsters.


It's starting to be Obama syndrome with some of these people. Atheist marxist muslim fascist!

iPhones are lowest common denominator phones that are purchased by hipster elites.
 
2012-08-20 03:34:52 PM

YoungLochinvar: thornhill: Well, Apple's marketshare in the cell phone market is only going to decline as competitors offer equally high quality smartphones as well second-rate but cheaply priced smartphones (where Andriod dominates the latter).

It's not Apple's style, but they should come out with a cheaper version of the iPhone. Heck, it could just be the 3GS. The longterm value is having as many people part of the Apple ecosystem buying products from the App Store.

Last I checked, I could still "buy" a 3GS iPhone. And by "buy", I mean, "get for free if I sign a new contract". Might be limited to AT&T though.


I think that deal on the 3GS is only through AT&T. Neither Sprint nor Verizon offer it.
 
2012-08-20 03:36:16 PM

Ed Grubermann: Strolpol: Based on what I've seen of Windows 8 and Surface, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this became true within the next couple of years.

/it helps that the iPhone is the smartphone of the lowest common denominator

I thought the iPhone was the choice for elitist hipsters.


Exactly like he said the lowest common denominator.
 
2012-08-20 04:00:02 PM

thornhill: It's not Apple's style, but they should come out with a cheaper version of the iPhone. Heck, it could just be the 3GS. The longterm value is having as many people part of the Apple ecosystem buying products from the App Store.


You can get that free with contract on some carriers, although it might not be the best move to continue that - you can get plenty of other better droids free on contract now, and if someone picks up a slow clunky 3GS it might turn people off.

Hell, You can get a Galaxy Nexus for $100 w/ contract now and its still better than any of the iphones currently out.
 
2012-08-20 04:27:11 PM

OriginalGamer: thornhill: Well, Apple's marketshare in the cell phone market is only going to decline as competitors offer equally high quality smartphones as well second-rate but cheaply priced smartphones (where Andriod dominates the latter).

It's not Apple's style, but they should come out with a cheaper version of the iPhone. Heck, it could just be the 3GS. The longterm value is having as many people part of the Apple ecosystem buying products from the App Store.

The 3GS is like $0.99 on contract these days. iPhone 4 under $100, and I've seen the 4s at under $150.

When the iPhone shiats next month you'll see further drops.


I know it was a filter pwnage but this works too on so many levels.
 
2012-08-20 04:49:04 PM
Meh, I just took delivery of an iPhone 4 after 2 years with an Android based phone. I liked the android at first, but the huge selection of devices made it harder and harder for app developers to keep up. Half of the apps I downloaded didn't work with my phone, or quit working after a couple of updates.

I am not a fanboy of any company, I just want my phone to do what I am paying for it to do, and the iPhone does it for me at this particular time. Maybe in 2 years I will change my mind again.
 
2012-08-20 05:35:17 PM

forstmeister: Meh, I just took delivery of an iPhone 4 after 2 years with an Android based phone. I liked the android at first, but the huge selection of devices made it harder and harder for app developers to keep up. Half of the apps I downloaded didn't work with my phone, or quit working after a couple of updates


Which phone/apps? Statistically, this is extremely unlikely to the point of being flat out unbelievable. Are you lying, or are you embellishing a bit?
 
2012-08-20 05:50:56 PM
shiat
 
2012-08-20 06:20:12 PM

wiredroach: change1211: Where would the world be without Microsoft?

Ah...let me pour a glass of Cognac, sit back, and dream about that for a few hours.


MSFT financials

While checking to see if the derp in the article meant "valued using enronomics" or "using cop math on the drugs the author was on" I noticed that Microsoft had effectively stopped making money. Adjusting revenue expectations for the sudden rush for metroUI windows 8 or more like IBM in 1991?
 
2012-08-20 06:26:23 PM

yet_another_wumpus: While checking to see if the derp in the article meant "valued using enronomics" or "using cop math on the drugs the author was on" I noticed that Microsoft had effectively stopped making money. Adjusting revenue expectations for the sudden rush for metroUI windows 8 or more like IBM in 1991?


My point was that I'd love to contemplate how much better and more advanced computers would be today if they hadn't been hamstrung by Microsoft's decades of mediocrity.
 
2012-08-20 06:38:00 PM

wiredroach: yet_another_wumpus: While checking to see if the derp in the article meant "valued using enronomics" or "using cop math on the drugs the author was on" I noticed that Microsoft had effectively stopped making money. Adjusting revenue expectations for the sudden rush for metroUI windows 8 or more like IBM in 1991?

My point was that I'd love to contemplate how much better and more advanced computers would be today if they hadn't been hamstrung by Microsoft's decades of mediocrity.


You know, when I hear this, I honestly wonder... what's this better alternative to Microsoft that supposedly existed all of those years ago? MacOS sucked just as bad (if not worse) as the Windows 3.x/9.x products. Linux wasn't worth looking at in the consumer space until about ten years ago. UNIX was (and is) beyond the reach of most users. GNU still isn't done, much less a usable suite of applications (Linux excepted). OS/2 was Microsoft's product, developed with IBM. So just what is this great suite of software that Microsoft held back that could have propelled us forward 10 years with wonderful products?
 
2012-08-20 06:45:07 PM

Marine1: MacOS sucked just as bad (if not worse) as the Windows 3.x/9.x products.


Hahaha...hoo, boy. That was a good one.
 
2012-08-20 06:55:13 PM
For a given definition of worth. How many people have an iphone, versus how many people use any Microsoft product? Let's talk impact and see how they stack up.
 
2012-08-20 08:16:08 PM

evildwarf: For a given definition of worth. How many people have an iphone, versus how many people use any Microsoft product? Let's talk impact and see how they stack up.


You should also consider what those people who use Windows would be doing without it and what those people with iPhones would do with out them. The article had the potential to be interesting, it just fell flat.
 
2012-08-20 08:32:09 PM

Tourney3p0: forstmeister: Meh, I just took delivery of an iPhone 4 after 2 years with an Android based phone. I liked the android at first, but the huge selection of devices made it harder and harder for app developers to keep up. Half of the apps I downloaded didn't work with my phone, or quit working after a couple of updates

Which phone/apps? Statistically, this is extremely unlikely to the point of being flat out unbelievable. Are you lying, or are you embellishing a bit?


I had a SonyEricsson Xperia. I couldn't even install Google Music on it. It wouldnt play flash videos and wouldn't let me install upgrades to flash either. Even Facebook wouldn't work for months, to the point that I had to install Opera to do things.

As I said, the iPhone justs works for me right now (I am posting from it now), the app development is cleaner since there is only one device to manage for. I may feel differently in a year though
 
2012-08-20 08:39:38 PM

change1211: evildwarf: For a given definition of worth. How many people have an iphone, versus how many people use any Microsoft product? Let's talk impact and see how they stack up.

You should also consider what those people who use Windows would be doing without it and what those people with iPhones would do with out them. The article had the potential to be interesting, it just fell flat.


Not beating off in their den.

Not beating off on the bus.
 
2012-08-20 09:08:57 PM

Strolpol: Based on what I've seen of Windows 8 and Surface, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this became true within the next couple of years.

/it helps that the iPhone is the smartphone of the lowest common denominator


legacy-cdn.smosh.com
 
2012-08-21 01:45:54 AM

Satanic_Hamster: So... What?

Does that mean we're supposed to throw out all our windows based computers today and order I-Macs?


No it means valuations are pretty much meaningless.
 
2012-08-21 05:35:05 AM

change1211: evildwarf: For a given definition of worth. How many people have an iphone, versus how many people use any Microsoft product? Let's talk impact and see how they stack up.

You should also consider what those people who use Windows would be doing without it and what those people with iPhones would do with out them. The article had the potential to be interesting, it just fell flat.


There's not contest. iPhone is just a phone. People have dozens of other options. Plus Apple doesn't have the marketshare to be "too big to fail". You can imagine a world without an iPhone pretty easily. Heck, until 5 years ago,the world was iPhone-less

EVERYBODY in the world uses Windows. It's ingrained into our society. You can't imagine the world without Windows unless you go into the field of alternative History. THAT's how big Windows is.
 
2012-08-21 06:38:17 AM

Ed Grubermann: Strolpol: Based on what I've seen of Windows 8 and Surface, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this became true within the next couple of years.

/it helps that the iPhone is the smartphone of the lowest common denominator

I thought the iPhone was the choice for elitist hipsters.


There's a difference?
 
2012-08-21 06:51:34 AM

yet_another_wumpus: While checking to see if the derp in the article meant "valued using enronomics" or "using cop math on the drugs the author was on" I noticed that Microsoft had effectively stopped making money. Adjusting revenue expectations for the sudden rush for metroUI windows 8 or more like IBM in 1991?


Just looking at the operating statement, they had a non-recurring item of $6 billion (related to a write-down of some advertising company that they bought, which I dug up with a google search).

MSFT made over $6 billion in operating income for the quarter if you exclude the non-recurring write-down of the goodwill/assets of that prior acquisition... which is in-line with the most recent prior quarters.

/Not going to break down AAPL's revenues. That's a lot of risk in AAPL's earning stream if so much is tied to the one iProduct, but the numbers themselves are impressive. However, it's really an apples to oranges comparison with MSFT, so to speak.
 
2012-08-21 09:59:42 AM

Pentaxian: thornhill: It's not Apple's style, but they should come out with a cheaper version of the iPhone. Heck, it could just be the 3GS. The longterm value is having as many people part of the Apple ecosystem buying products from the App Store.

You mean like the iPhone 3GS for free?

Link

They also sell the iPhone 4 with 8Gb for $100.

Link

And there are starting to be discounts on the 4S as the next-gen iPhone will be out next month.


So what you're saying is that despite cheap iPhones being available, most people still prefer Android phones?

/who woulda thunk it.
 
2012-08-21 10:01:15 AM

lilplatinum: thornhill: It's not Apple's style, but they should come out with a cheaper version of the iPhone. Heck, it could just be the 3GS. The longterm value is having as many people part of the Apple ecosystem buying products from the App Store.

You can get that free with contract on some carriers, although it might not be the best move to continue that - you can get plenty of other better droids free on contract now, and if someone picks up a slow clunky 3GS it might turn people off.

Hell, You can get a Galaxy Nexus for $100 w/ contract now and its still better than any of the iphones currently out.


It isn't like they're making more. They've got so many left over that didn't sell that they have to get rid of them somehow.
 
2012-08-21 10:03:38 AM

forstmeister: Meh, I just took delivery of an iPhone 4 after 2 years with an Android based phone. I liked the android at first, but the huge selection of devices made it harder and harder for app developers to keep up. Half of the apps I downloaded didn't work with my phone, or quit working after a couple of updates.

I am not a fanboy of any company, I just want my phone to do what I am paying for it to do, and the iPhone does it for me at this particular time. Maybe in 2 years I will change my mind again.


If you stopped downloading the "sexy babes wash your screen for a screensaver" apps, you wouldn't have that problem.

I've got a Galaxy S2 and I've never downloaded an app that didn't work.
 
2012-08-21 10:06:13 AM

evildwarf: For a given definition of worth. How many people have an iphone, versus how many people use any Microsoft product? Let's talk impact and see how they stack up.


This. Anyone who doesn't use a Microsoft product at least 5 days a week has no positive contribution to society.

Anyone who doesn't use an iPhone... well they probably spend their money on stuff like beer and fun instead.
 
2012-08-21 10:10:15 AM

forstmeister: Tourney3p0: forstmeister: Meh, I just took delivery of an iPhone 4 after 2 years with an Android based phone. I liked the android at first, but the huge selection of devices made it harder and harder for app developers to keep up. Half of the apps I downloaded didn't work with my phone, or quit working after a couple of updates

Which phone/apps? Statistically, this is extremely unlikely to the point of being flat out unbelievable. Are you lying, or are you embellishing a bit?

I had a SonyEricsson Xperia. I couldn't even install Google Music on it. It wouldnt play flash videos and wouldn't let me install upgrades to flash either. Even Facebook wouldn't work for months, to the point that I had to install Opera to do things.

As I said, the iPhone justs works for me right now (I am posting from it now), the app development is cleaner since there is only one device to manage for. I may feel differently in a year though


Your phone from 2009 doesn't work well in 2012? Did you upgrade if from Android 1.6 (stock) to 2.3.3?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Sony UX overlay didn't work well. Sony is losing billions a year for a reason.
 
2012-08-21 12:55:39 PM

Bullseyed: forstmeister: Tourney3p0: forstmeister: Meh, I just took delivery of an iPhone 4 after 2 years with an Android based phone. I liked the android at first, but the huge selection of devices made it harder and harder for app developers to keep up. Half of the apps I downloaded didn't work with my phone, or quit working after a couple of updates

Which phone/apps? Statistically, this is extremely unlikely to the point of being flat out unbelievable. Are you lying, or are you embellishing a bit?

I had a SonyEricsson Xperia. I couldn't even install Google Music on it. It wouldnt play flash videos and wouldn't let me install upgrades to flash either. Even Facebook wouldn't work for months, to the point that I had to install Opera to do things.

As I said, the iPhone justs works for me right now (I am posting from it now), the app development is cleaner since there is only one device to manage for. I may feel differently in a year though

Your phone from 2009 doesn't work well in 2012? Did you upgrade if from Android 1.6 (stock) to 2.3.3?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Sony UX overlay didn't work well. Sony is losing billions a year for a reason.


I tried to upgrade it obsessively...yes it was an older phone, but it worked great for the first year. Software upgrades quit coming after a while and developers were not concerned with that particular phone. Chase Mobile didn't work even...it got to be more of a hassle than it was worth.
 
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