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2012-08-20 10:39:23 AM
"And let's not forget that this is the commander in chief who finally led the mission that brought Osama bin Laden to justice," said Shaheen.

That is true. And if Bush had done that, I would have been OK with his supporters saying that.
 
2012-08-20 10:41:52 AM
Subby, I was spec. ops in the marine core for many years and I'll tell you this: experienced spec. opers. NEVER clench a knife in their teeth. It's very difficult to get to a knife you have clenched in your teeth, especially if you have a machine gun in each hand (which is also a slightly unrealistic operative stance, I'll just have you know; normal op. proc. would have a machine gun in one hand, a knife in the other, and perhaps a medical pack or grenade in your teeth). See, with the grenade in your teeth, if you see an encom (that's "enemy combatant," sorry for the jargon but it's hard for us jarheads to talk like civvies after being in the muck), you can release the knife, spit out the grenade, and pick it up for a quick fling. Then pick up the knife and charge, firing controlled machine gun bursts, and get there right before the explosion, which will cause smoke and mayhem and allow you to finish off in close quarters. Just thought you'd like to know so you can not look quite so silly with your headline next time.
 
2012-08-20 10:42:11 AM
farm3.static.flickr.com

Kind of like how Bush landed that plane on the carrier.
 
2012-08-20 10:42:19 AM
George Steinbrenner never won a World Series.
 
2012-08-20 10:43:28 AM

vernonFL: George Steinbrenner never won a World Series.


He still gets a ring.
 
2012-08-20 10:45:20 AM

Pocket Ninja: Subby, I was spec. ops in the marine core for many years and I'll tell you this: experienced spec. opers. NEVER clench a knife in their teeth. It's very difficult to get to a knife you have clenched in your teeth, especially if you have a machine gun in each hand (which is also a slightly unrealistic operative stance, I'll just have you know; normal op. proc. would have a machine gun in one hand, a knife in the other, and perhaps a medical pack or grenade in your teeth). See, with the grenade in your teeth, if you see an encom (that's "enemy combatant," sorry for the jargon but it's hard for us jarheads to talk like civvies after being in the muck), you can release the knife, spit out the grenade, and pick it up for a quick fling. Then pick up the knife and charge, firing controlled machine gun bursts, and get there right before the explosion, which will cause smoke and mayhem and allow you to finish off in close quarters. Just thought you'd like to know so you can not look quite so silly with your headline next time.


You write with the know how of a Clancy and the sentence structure of a Faulkner.
 
2012-08-20 10:46:53 AM
A president is only Commander-in-Chief of America's military if that president is a Republican because Democrats throw like girls.
 
2012-08-20 10:51:26 AM
Subby, when we talk about Eisenhower defeating the Axis powers, it is generally understood that he was at HQ making decisions and issuing orders, not leading the charge onto the beaches at Normandy. The same can be said about Colin Powell, David Petraeus, and Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf and the military efforts they lead. So, unless you are trying to redefine what it means to be an exceptional leader, then you should probably stop posting because it makes you look ignorant.
 
2012-08-20 10:53:51 AM

Pocket Ninja: Subby, I was spec. ops in the marine core for many years and I'll tell you this: experienced spec. opers. NEVER clench a knife in their teeth. It's very difficult to get to a knife you have clenched in your teeth, especially if you have a machine gun in each hand (which is also a slightly unrealistic operative stance, I'll just have you know; normal op. proc. would have a machine gun in one hand, a knife in the other, and perhaps a medical pack or grenade in your teeth). See, with the grenade in your teeth, if you see an encom (that's "enemy combatant," sorry for the jargon but it's hard for us jarheads to talk like civvies after being in the muck), you can release the knife, spit out the grenade, and pick it up for a quick fling. Then pick up the knife and charge, firing controlled machine gun bursts, and get there right before the explosion, which will cause smoke and mayhem and allow you to finish off in close quarters. Just thought you'd like to know so you can not look quite so silly with your headline next time.


do me
 
2012-08-20 10:55:00 AM
"At the end of the day, make no mistake about it, it was the president of the United States that shouldered the burden of this operation, that made the hard decision."
- Adm. Bill McRaven, head of the U.S. Special Operations command
 
2012-08-20 10:58:02 AM
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2012-08-20 10:58:03 AM
Submitter:

You're right. Obama deserves no credit, praise, or accolades because he didn't personally lead the mission. He wasn't there, on the ground, putting himself in harm's way.

After all, that's why Bin Laden is credited and condemned for his acts, right? Because he personally lead them and was there, in harm's way?

Herpaderp.
 
2012-08-20 10:59:29 AM
If this had gone tits up and ended with a healthy and hale Bin Laden executing a sailor on Pakistani TV while small children played in the wreckage of our most top secret weaponry, I'm quite sure that the GOP would have blamed the SEALS themselves, and given Obama a pass.
 
2012-08-20 11:00:30 AM
It's their counter to "you didn't build that". Good luck with that, Republicans.
 
2012-08-20 11:07:31 AM
Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.

Oh yeah, it really sounds like he thinks he did it.
 
2012-08-20 11:14:54 AM

Pocket Ninja: ...Then pick up the knife and charge, firing controlled machine gun bursts, and get there right before the explosion, which will cause smoke and mayhem and allow you to finish off in close quarters.


*Adds Pocket Ninja to his "Do Not Fark With" list*
 
2012-08-20 11:15:40 AM
It doubles as my "Seek Out In Case Of Zombie Apocalypse" list.
 
2012-08-20 11:22:55 AM
Funny, Obama seems to be able to shut down many companies as president before he even took office. How does that work?
 
2012-08-20 11:27:49 AM
And by extension ALL OF AMERICA is responsible for eradicating Osama Bin Laden from this earth.
 
2012-08-20 11:32:51 AM

Makh: Funny, Obama seems to be able to shut down many companies as president before he even took office. How does that work?


www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-08-20 11:33:18 AM

what_now: If this had gone tits up and ended with a healthy and hale Bin Laden executing a sailor on Pakistani TV while small children played in the wreckage of our most top secret weaponry, I'm quite sure that the GOP would have blamed the SEALS themselves, and given Obama a pass.


Sort of like how they acknowledge that Desert One was not Carter's fault.
 
2012-08-20 11:35:35 AM

vartian: Pocket Ninja: ...Then pick up the knife and charge, firing controlled machine gun bursts, and get there right before the explosion, which will cause smoke and mayhem and allow you to finish off in close quarters.

*Adds Pocket Ninja to his "Do Not Fark With" list*


He's playing with you, y'know. You don't "pick up the knife". You "catch" the knife. It hasn't landed yet.

At least, that's the way I did it.
 
2012-08-20 11:45:02 AM
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2012-08-20 11:47:42 AM
In other news Obama didn't kill Anwar al-Aulaqi either. So I expect an immediate end to the pearl clutching and crocodile tears about how Obama murdered an American citizen.

Also bin Laden didn't kill those people on 9/11, al-Qaeda did. And really, I doubt that Hitler ever killed anyone outside of his combat duties during WWI (if then), you know, just to follow this thing through to it's logical Godwining.
 
2012-08-20 11:54:23 AM
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If you visit the Ronald Reagan library, you'll see a piece of the Berlin Wall that Reagan tore down with his bare hands.
 
2012-08-20 11:59:30 AM
Yes, we get it. Killing Osama bin Laden was a rash decision, a bad thing for America.

Right, GOP?
 
2012-08-20 12:03:00 PM
If the mission went bad, Obama would have gotten the blame.

The mission did not, so Obama gets the credit.

End of story.
 
2012-08-20 12:12:08 PM
The president and his admin did lead the way in leaks that harm operational security after the raid. So he's got that going for him.

I wonder what Obama's personal kill list looks like for October this year. I'm sure he is pouring over that and has some exciting variations on the name Muhammed to turn into grease spots.
 
2012-08-20 12:14:52 PM

Lando Lincoln: If the mission went bad, Obama would have gotten the blame.

The mission did not, so Obama gets the credit.

End of story.


motherfarking THIS.

obama was already being called "carter 2.0." had the OBL raid failed (like the hostage rescue in '79), it would've cemented his carter-ness. most said there was a 50-50 shot of success. but obama gave the green light anyway. that took balls of steel. that took LEADERSHIP.

do you think president romney would've made that call? bull. farking. shiat.
 
2012-08-20 12:17:20 PM

MeinRS6: I wonder what Obama's personal kill list looks like for October this year. I'm sure he is pouring over that and has some exciting variations on the name Muhammed to turn into grease spots.


I'm sure you'll be lighting a candle for every single one of them, right up until a president with an (R) next to his name is in office.
 
2012-08-20 12:17:52 PM

MeinRS6: The president and his admin did lead the way in leaks that harm operational security after the raid. So he's got that going for him.


Oh yeah? Then why isn't anyone in the military brass saying that?

Oh right, maybe because it's false. Admiral McRaven, head of special forces, says he didn't harm operational security. Hmm, who should I believe? Oh right, not you.
 
2012-08-20 12:18:33 PM

dameron: MeinRS6: I wonder what Obama's personal kill list looks like for October this year. I'm sure he is pouring over that and has some exciting variations on the name Muhammed to turn into grease spots.

I'm sure you'll be lighting a candle for every single one of them, right up until a president with an (R) next to his name is in office.


I wonder what he's pouring over the list. Bacon grease, no doubt. You know, to prove he's not a secret muslin.
 
2012-08-20 12:19:36 PM
 
2012-08-20 12:25:34 PM

FlashHarry: "At the end of the day, make no mistake about it, it was the president of the United States that shouldered the burden of this operation, that made the hard decision."

-- Admiral William McRaven, Head of U.S. Special Operations Command


That's exactly what some Obamabot who wanted to take credit from Admiral McRaven WOULD say!
 
2012-08-20 12:33:52 PM
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2012-08-20 12:36:53 PM

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Fartbongo Five standing by.


[funny]
 
2012-08-20 12:46:50 PM
Nice work, GOP. Keep reminding those voters that bin Laden is dead.
 
2012-08-20 12:53:13 PM

FloydA: Nice work, GOP. Keep reminding those voters that bin Laden is dead.


At B. Hussein Obama's orders too.
 
2012-08-20 12:54:22 PM
Personally? No. Through his leadership and administration, including the chain of command? Yes.
 
2012-08-20 12:56:26 PM

FloydA: Nice work, GOP. Keep reminding those voters that bin Laden is dead.


Yeah. That's pretty much what this will accomplish.
 
2012-08-20 01:05:52 PM
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2012-08-20 01:06:12 PM
I agree with subby and the article. President Obama is not the commander in chief of the armed forces. He's just some black kenyan usurper.

You all can know this for sure too. You all know had Osama bin Laden not been there and the U.S. was on the hook for striking a sovereign country without permission from that country's government, no one would have blamed Obama at all. They'da been like "meh, Obama isn't in charge of the Seals, he's not their leader so he gets no blame."
 
2012-08-20 01:08:28 PM
Oh, hey, this shiat again.
 
2012-08-20 01:10:12 PM
he should take out that guy who killed that poor steelworker's wife.
 
2012-08-20 01:11:11 PM
Wow, some people still respond to Fark's resident Nazi sympathizer?

/Note to self: log in to Fark before accessing the Politics tab on a new computer.
 
2012-08-20 01:11:24 PM

lennavan: I agree with subby and the article. President Obama is not the commander in chief of the armed forces. He's just some black kenyan usurper.

You all can know this for sure too. You all know had Osama bin Laden not been there and the U.S. was on the hook for striking a sovereign country without permission from that country's government, no one would have blamed Obama at all. They'da been like "meh, Obama isn't in charge of the Seals, he's not their leader so he gets no blame."



seesdifferent.files.wordpress.com 

lennavan relaxing at a teabagger rally.
 
2012-08-20 01:11:46 PM

MeinRS6: The president and his admin did lead the way in leaks that harm operational security after the raid. So he's got that going for him.

I wonder what Obama's personal kill list looks like for October this year. I'm sure he is pouring over that and has some exciting variations on the name Muhammed to turn into grease spots.


You sound very hurrdurry
 
2012-08-20 01:13:00 PM
I see the swiftboating of Obama is proceeding as planned. It worked so well in 2004, why not again?

/
 
2012-08-20 01:13:23 PM
You know, that would make for a really awesome campaign poster.
 
2012-08-20 01:13:30 PM

BritneysSpeculum: [farm3.static.flickr.com image 356x451]

Kind of like how Bush landed that plane on the carrier.


I know have an image of the Presidential Package in my head. Thank you very much.
 
2012-08-20 01:13:52 PM

St_Francis_P: "And let's not forget that this is the commander in chief who finally led the mission that brought Osama bin Laden to justice," said Shaheen.

That is true. And if Bush had done that, I would have been OK with his supporters saying that.


First, you need a 'true' statement. That is not.
 
2012-08-20 01:14:19 PM
I'm sure this really puts a kink in all the 9/11 porn the GOP likes to roll out during their convention.
 
2012-08-20 01:14:20 PM

Pocket Ninja: Subby, I was spec. ops in the marine core for many years and I'll tell you this: experienced spec. opers. NEVER clench a knife in their teeth. It's very difficult to get to a knife you have clenched in your teeth, especially if you have a machine gun in each hand (which is also a slightly unrealistic operative stance, I'll just have you know; normal op. proc. would have a machine gun in one hand, a knife in the other, and perhaps a medical pack or grenade in your teeth). See, with the grenade in your teeth, if you see an encom (that's "enemy combatant," sorry for the jargon but it's hard for us jarheads to talk like civvies after being in the muck), you can release the knife, spit out the grenade, and pick it up for a quick fling. Then pick up the knife and charge, firing controlled machine gun bursts, and get there right before the explosion, which will cause smoke and mayhem and allow you to finish off in close quarters. Just thought you'd like to know so you can not look quite so silly with your headline next time.


Sounds like every night in COD: BO
 
2012-08-20 01:14:49 PM

Brandyelf: BritneysSpeculum: [farm3.static.flickr.com image 356x451]

Kind of like how Bush landed that plane on the carrier.

I know have an image of the Presidential Package in my head. Thank you very much.


FTFM (button changes confuse me)
 
2012-08-20 01:15:07 PM

St_Francis_P: "And let's not forget that this is the commander in chief who finally led the mission that brought Osama bin Laden to justice," said Shaheen.

That is true. And if Bush had done that, I would have been OK with his supporters saying that.


Yea, I'm failing to see the (p)outrage here.
 
2012-08-20 01:15:53 PM
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2012-08-20 01:16:02 PM

indylaw: Oh, hey, this shiat again.


Well, some independents might not remember that Romney wouldn't have gone into Pakistan to get bin Laden, or that Bush couldn't get the job accomplished.

And really, what is Romney but W with a new GUI? Do we REALLY need another guy whose only qualification for the job is, "My daddy was rich and ran for President?"
 
2012-08-20 01:16:53 PM

BritneysSpeculum: lennavan: I agree with subby and the article. President Obama is not the commander in chief of the armed forces. He's just some black kenyan usurper.

You all can know this for sure too. You all know had Osama bin Laden not been there and the U.S. was on the hook for striking a sovereign country without permission from that country's government, no one would have blamed Obama at all. They'da been like "meh, Obama isn't in charge of the Seals, he's not their leader so he gets no blame."


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lennavan relaxing at a teabagger rally.


files.myopera.com

BritneysSpeculum, after replying to my incredibly over the top far too obviously sarcastic post.
 
2012-08-20 01:17:04 PM
Conservative talking points are stupid.
 
2012-08-20 01:17:28 PM

Pocket Ninja: Subby, I was spec. ops in the marine core for many years and I'll tell you this: experienced spec. opers. NEVER clench a knife in their teeth. It's very difficult to get to a knife you have clenched in your teeth, especially if you have a machine gun in each hand (which is also a slightly unrealistic operative stance, I'll just have you know; normal op. proc. would have a machine gun in one hand, a knife in the other, and perhaps a medical pack or grenade in your teeth). See, with the grenade in your teeth, if you see an encom (that's "enemy combatant," sorry for the jargon but it's hard for us jarheads to talk like civvies after being in the muck), you can release the knife, spit out the grenade, and pick it up for a quick fling. Then pick up the knife and charge, firing controlled machine gun bursts, and get there right before the explosion, which will cause smoke and mayhem and allow you to finish off in close quarters. Just thought you'd like to know so you can not look quite so silly with your headline next time.so I am getting a kick out of these replies.

 
2012-08-20 01:17:55 PM
Hey, Daniel Halper, suck my motherf*cking dick.
 
2012-08-20 01:18:08 PM

MeinRS6: The president and his admin did lead the way in leaks that harm operational security after the raid. So he's got that going for him.


And he didn't even thank Bush for all the hard work he did in tracking down OBL and showing Obama how to leak classified information in the most strategically damaging way possible!
 
2012-08-20 01:18:56 PM
I thought it was well established that the most important factor in the death of bin Laden were Obama's decision to go after him in Pakistan without getting Pakistan's permission. That topic was debated in numerous media outlets during the '08 election, and at the time, numerous Republican leaders, including McCain, harshly criticized Obama for even suggesting that as an option. It he'd ordered the Seals to go after bin Laden in Afghanistan, or nearly any other nation where there ramifications would be less than those if the mission had failed, as opposed to Pakistan, the decision wouldn't have been as bold.

/Is it too late to point out that Hitler didn't personally shove anyone into an oven?
 
2012-08-20 01:19:11 PM

lennavan: BritneysSpeculum, after replying to my incredibly over the top far too obviously sarcastic post.


Hey, you sounded fat.
 
2012-08-20 01:19:19 PM

Millennium: You know, that would make for a really awesome campaign poster.


Actually, now I've got a better idea: a poster with Subby's image, the caption "SEAL Team Six didn't build that," and no mention whatsoever of who the poster is supposed to be for. Watch both sides devolve into Princess Bride levels of recursive and circular theorizing over whose side the poster is on.
 
2012-08-20 01:19:40 PM
I think it's sad that the GOP hates Obama more then they hate Osama. What does that say about the modern Republican party?

St_Francis_P: FloydA: Nice work, GOP. Keep reminding those voters that bin Laden is dead.

Yeah. That's pretty much what this will accomplish.


Exactly. Obama has to be careful about seeming to brag too much about this. Look how Ruddy turned his respected involvement in the 9/11 response into a running joke. I don't understand how the Republicans think this is a winning strategy.
 
2012-08-20 01:20:36 PM
Be honest. If this was W he'd have had a photoshoot with him pissing on Osama while high-fiving Rumsfeld and Cheney.
 
2012-08-20 01:21:07 PM
Nothing brings me more personal joy than seeing a teabagger with one of those OBL: 0 | USA: 1 stickers on their car and not even recognize the svere disconnect from reality required to justify and hold both opinions at the same time.


/if we're being honest OBL's score was way over 0... just sayin'
//and ours is well over 1...
 
2012-08-20 01:21:21 PM
Abraham Lincoln didn't personally free the slaves, he just signed a piece of paper. What a horrible lie we've all been believing all this time.
 
2012-08-20 01:22:57 PM
The definition of satisfaction: watching rightwing fury over bin Laden's death.

Man that is sweet.
 
2012-08-20 01:24:17 PM
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2012-08-20 01:24:26 PM
But I'm sure conservatives don't blame Carter for the hostage rescue ending in failure.
 
2012-08-20 01:24:47 PM

Carn: Abraham Lincoln didn't personally free the slaves, he just signed a piece of paper. What a horrible lie we've all been believing all this time.


OBL did not personally kill those people on 9/11. America murdered an innocent man.
 
2012-08-20 01:24:51 PM
You do know that the seals went in on their own Intel and their own volition against the direct orders of so called president barrysoteroHUSSEINn0bomasorosayers because he's a sekrit muslin that wanted join with bin laden and rule the galaxy as father and son on their interplanetary deathstar, right? Thank St Reagan and baby American Jesus that our troops, unafraid of the homogheys and their feminazi strong wise Latina civilian leadership took the action America needed done in the face of the Communist athiest islamofacist hitleresque foe.


/Seriously though. Those dudes are insanely brave but please don't act like our military doesn't have a distinct command and control structure overseen by civilian leaders who are held accountable to the electorate for their decisions.
 
2012-08-20 01:24:52 PM

HighOnCraic: I thought it was well established that the most important factor in the death of bin Laden were Obama's decision to go after him in Pakistan without getting Pakistan's permission. That topic was debated in numerous media outlets during the '08 election, and at the time, numerous Republican leaders, including McCain, harshly criticized Obama for even suggesting that as an option. It he'd ordered the Seals to go after bin Laden in Afghanistan, or nearly any other nation where there ramifications would be less than those if the mission had failed, as opposed to Pakistan, the decision wouldn't have been as bold.


Maybe in terms of general strategy, but in terms of actual operational impact? The additional helicopters pushed for by Obama allowed everyone to get out alive.
 
2012-08-20 01:25:11 PM

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2012-08-20 01:26:24 PM

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Listen, you can't use Brock Sampson as an example, because if you're not Brock Sampson, you cannot do what he does.
 
2012-08-20 01:28:12 PM

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2012-08-20 01:29:26 PM

chuggernaught: I see the swiftboating of Obama is proceeding as planned. It worked so well in 2004, why not again?

/


The beautiful thing about this is it invites Obama to "spike the football" on bin Laden. An nice ad with all the republican quotes about how going after him in Pakistan would be laughably irresponsible, and a couple lamenting his demise, followed up with what the then candidate Obama said.
 
2012-08-20 01:29:40 PM

JunkyJu: St_Francis_P: "And let's not forget that this is the commander in chief who finally led the mission that brought Osama bin Laden to justice," said Shaheen.

That is true. And if Bush had done that, I would have been OK with his supporters saying that.

First, you need a 'true' statement. That is not.


I guess you're busy formulating a cogent argument for why the seemingly true statement is, in fact, false.
 
2012-08-20 01:30:12 PM

sprawl15: HighOnCraic: I thought it was well established that the most important factor in the death of bin Laden were Obama's decision to go after him in Pakistan without getting Pakistan's permission. That topic was debated in numerous media outlets during the '08 election, and at the time, numerous Republican leaders, including McCain, harshly criticized Obama for even suggesting that as an option. It he'd ordered the Seals to go after bin Laden in Afghanistan, or nearly any other nation where there ramifications would be less than those if the mission had failed, as opposed to Pakistan, the decision wouldn't have been as bold.

Maybe in terms of general strategy, but in terms of actual operational impact? The additional helicopters pushed for by Obama allowed everyone to get out alive.


Right, but roughly four years ago, when he suggested going after bin Laden in Pakistan there was a lot of this going on:

On February 19, 2008, McCain spoke at a victory party for his win in the Wisconsin primary, and wondered: "Will we risk the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate who once suggested bombing our ally, Pakistan?"

The following day, he called Obama "naive" and doubled down: "The first thing you do is, you don't tell people what you're gonna to do. You make plans and you work with the other country that is your ally and friend, which Pakistan is."

"You don't broadcast and say that you're going to bomb a country without their permission or without consulting them. It's just fundamentals of the conduct of national security policy," McCain added.

In a Democratic primary debate on February 26, 2008, Hillary Clinton picked up the meme: "Last summer, he basically threatened to bomb Pakistan, which I don't think was a particularly wise position to take."

During the general election, McCain continued to trumpet the same point. At a September 26 debate, McCain said: "I'm not prepared at this time to cut off aid to Pakistan. So I'm not prepared to threaten it, as Senator Obama apparently wants to do, as he has said that he would announce military strikes into Pakistan."

"Now, you don't do that. You don't say that out loud," McCain said. "If you have to do things, you have to do things, and you work with the Pakistani government."

"Nobody talked about attacking Pakistan," Obama replied. "Here's what I said, and if John wants to disagree with this, he can let me know: That, if the United States has al Qaeda, bin Laden, top-level lieutenants in our sights, and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to act, then we should take them out. Now, I think that's the right strategy; I think that's the right policy."

And then there was the town hall on October 7, 2008. Obama answered a question about Pakistan with his now-familiar refrain: "And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act and we will take them out. We will kill bin Laden; we will crush Al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority."

McCain followed that up "in fact, [Obama] said he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan. Remarkable."

"If you are a country and you're trying to gain the support of another country, then you want to do everything you can that they would act in a cooperative fashion," he added. "When you announce that you're going to launch an attack into another country, it's pretty obvious that you have the effect that it had in Pakistan: It turns public opinion against us."

Obama fired back: "I want to be very clear about what I said. Nobody called for the invasion of Pakistan. Senator McCain continues to repeat this."

"What I said was the same thing that the audience here today heard me say, which is, if Pakistan is unable or unwilling to hunt down bin Laden and take him out, then we should," he said.

Link

The GOP talking point at the time was, "Sure, let's get bin Laden, but let's not get him if he's in Pakistan, or at least, let's warn Pakistan before going in."
 
2012-08-20 01:30:58 PM
Fighting in Pakistan is very different from fighting in canopy jungle. I mean 'Nam was a foot soldier's war whereas this thing should be a farking cakewalk. I mean I had an M16, Jacko, not a Stealth farking chopper. Just me and Charlie, man, eyeball to eyeball.

That's farkin' combat. The man in the black pajamas. Worthy farkin' adversary. Not a bunch
of fig-eaters with towels on their heads trying to find the button on a suicide vest. This is not a worthy adversary.
 
2012-08-20 01:31:20 PM
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2012-08-20 01:31:47 PM
Awe.... what's the matter Republicans? Still mad that your last President didn't get the job done?

Maybe you ought to be happy that we put a President in office who could...

In fact, you're welcome. We know you can't publicly admit that you appreciated the job he did lest you be kicked out and shunned by your fellow Republicans, but we know you're thankful just the same.
 
2012-08-20 01:33:39 PM

St_Francis_P: "And let's not forget that this is the commander in chief who finally led the mission that brought Osama bin Laden to justice," said Shaheen.

That is true. And if Bush had done that, I would have been OK with his supporters saying that.


Sure you would have. Sure.
 
2012-08-20 01:35:07 PM

radioshack: St_Francis_P: "And let's not forget that this is the commander in chief who finally led the mission that brought Osama bin Laden to justice," said Shaheen.

That is true. And if Bush had done that, I would have been OK with his supporters saying that.

Sure you would have. Sure.


I was never a knee-jerk Bush-basher.
 
2012-08-20 01:35:13 PM
There's plenty of things to hate on Obama about. But this isn't one of them.

Every Republican I know refuses to give Obama credit for anything he might have gotten right. Why? It's like they would rather see Bin Laden at large than to give an ounce of credit to the Obama administration for taking him out.

Why does the GOP hate America?
 
2012-08-20 01:35:26 PM
Nothing is more heroic than Giuliani on 9/11 when he held up that one tower with his bare hands while people escaped down the staircases.

/and then he fashioned a rope and grappling hook from network cables and the bottom of an office chair and used it to swing over to the other tower and help those people escape.
 
2012-08-20 01:37:16 PM

radioshack: St_Francis_P: "And let's not forget that this is the commander in chief who finally led the mission that brought Osama bin Laden to justice," said Shaheen.

That is true. And if Bush had done that, I would have been OK with his supporters saying that.

Sure you would have. Sure.


I think it would be great if we could have a separate thread for the contrafactual arguments.

Because if we did have such a thread, I know you would say something stupid in that one, too.
 
2012-08-20 01:37:39 PM

Brick-House: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 594x368]


No worries, short bus... Romney isn't an actual threat to America. If he had a real chance of winning, maybe... but since he doesn't, you can relax. We've got this.
 
2012-08-20 01:37:42 PM

radioshack: St_Francis_P: "And let's not forget that this is the commander in chief who finally led the mission that brought Osama bin Laden to justice," said Shaheen.

That is true. And if Bush had done that, I would have been OK with his supporters saying that.

Sure you would have. Sure.


Bush's approval ratings were in the 90% range in the months after 9/11, and that was mainly because he threatened to hunt down bin Laden.
 
2012-08-20 01:38:35 PM

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That poster is premature.
McConnell isn't up for reelection until 2014.
 
2012-08-20 01:38:44 PM
What's being lost in all this debate is that we still haven't seen the long-form death certificate.
 
2012-08-20 01:38:55 PM

St_Francis_P: radioshack: St_Francis_P: "And let's not forget that this is the commander in chief who finally led the mission that brought Osama bin Laden to justice," said Shaheen.

That is true. And if Bush had done that, I would have been OK with his supporters saying that.

Sure you would have. Sure.

I was never a knee-jerk Bush-basher.


No one was. He had an approval rate of over 90% following 9/11. That's the difference between Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats (wrongly) believe we're all on the same team.
 
2012-08-20 01:40:08 PM

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I agree with that billboard. I, too, am going to vote against every farking Republican on the ticket.

/Republicans = traitors. Attempting to force a default proved that.
 
2012-08-20 01:42:03 PM
I know it's been a while since this happened, but...

i158.photobucket.com

It's what I saw when I first saw the headline.

/Seemed appropriate.
 
2012-08-20 01:42:24 PM
If a business owner can't get credit for building his business, 0bama can't get credit for personally leading the team that got 0BL.
 
2012-08-20 01:42:25 PM

Fart_Machine: But I'm sure conservatives don't blame Carter for the hostage rescue ending in failure.


Do you believe that that failure was not Carter's, and that Obama should take credit for the death of OBL?
 
2012-08-20 01:43:29 PM
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www.resourcesforlife.com
 
2012-08-20 01:43:53 PM

HighOnCraic: radioshack: St_Francis_P: "And let's not forget that this is the commander in chief who finally led the mission that brought Osama bin Laden to justice," said Shaheen.

That is true. And if Bush had done that, I would have been OK with his supporters saying that.

Sure you would have. Sure.

Bush's approval ratings were in the 90% range in the months after 9/11, and that was mainly because he threatened to hunt down bin Laden.


I thought it was because he told us to go shopping....
 
2012-08-20 01:44:42 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: If a business owner can't get credit for building his business, 0bama can't get credit for personally leading the team that got 0BL.



what_now: If this had gone tits up and ended with a healthy and hale Bin Laden executing a sailor on Pakistani TV while small children played in the wreckage of our most top secret weaponry, I'm quite sure that the GOP would have blamed the SEALS themselves, and given Obama a pass.

 
2012-08-20 01:44:57 PM
These are the same people who cry and whine about Winston Churchill bust not being in the main room of the White House right?
 
2012-08-20 01:45:33 PM

mr_bunny: Pocket Ninja: Subby, I was spec. ops in the marine core ...Just thought you'd like to know so you can not look quite so silly with your headline next time.

You write with the know how of a Clancy and the sentence structure of a Faulkner.


And the sense of humor of a Mencken, when you're really rolling.

/but don't get a big head
//I have to ding you for the "core". You just couldn't resist, could you?
 
2012-08-20 01:46:38 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: If a business owner can't get credit for building his business, 0bama can't get credit for personally leading the team that got 0BL.


Well Obama never said he shouldn't get credit for building his business. You are lying. He said that the business didn't build the things like the roads and infrastructure that helped the business.
 
2012-08-20 01:47:24 PM

HighOnCraic: The GOP talking point at the time was, "Sure, let's get bin Laden, but let's not get him if he's in Pakistan, or at least, let's warn Pakistan before going in."


Because Pakistan has always been such a reliable ally... Ugh.

Brick-House: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 497x300]

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Where does your graph dispute the fact Bin laden is dead? This thread is about Osama. We can discuss the merits and flaws of the auto industry bailout in an appropriate thread.
 
2012-08-20 01:47:46 PM

HighOnCraic: Right, but roughly four years ago, when he suggested going after bin Laden in Pakistan there was a lot of this going on:


That was always my favorite part. Duringthe 2008 campaign, when Obama suggested he would do *exactly what ended up happening* he was pilloried by the Republicans.The routinely cited it as evidence of his "lack of foreign policy experience."

After the whole operation carried out in that exact same situation, the response was "What's the big deal? Obama didn't do anything, anyone would have made that call."

The GOP needs Harvey Dent to be their Party Chair.
 
2012-08-20 01:48:03 PM

I_Am_Weasel: vartian: Pocket Ninja: ...Then pick up the knife and charge, firing controlled machine gun bursts, and get there right before the explosion, which will cause smoke and mayhem and allow you to finish off in close quarters.

*Adds Pocket Ninja to his "Do Not Fark With" list*

He's playing with you, y'know. You don't "pick up the knife". You "catch" the knife. It hasn't landed yet.

At least, that's the way I did it.


I always dropped the knife so it would land flat on my shiatkicker boots. With a quick kick I could fling the knife up so I could catch it and easily dispatch the enemy as the smoke cleared.
 
2012-08-20 01:48:13 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: If a business owner can't get credit for building his business, 0bama can't get credit for personally leading the team that got 0BL.


Fortunately, you get all the credit for threadshiatting.
 
2012-08-20 01:49:22 PM
The GOP sure is butthert over Obama doing in 2 years what George Walker Bush couldn't do in 7 years.
 
2012-08-20 01:49:49 PM

Corvus: tenpoundsofcheese: If a business owner can't get credit for building his business, 0bama can't get credit for personally leading the team that got 0BL.

Well Obama never said he shouldn't get credit for building his business. You are lying. He said that the business didn't build the things like the roads and infrastructure that helped the business.


It was just a very poorly-worded speech, really. The point he was making is that no man is an island; we're all helped by society in one way or another. But all the GOP reactionaries think is "Obama thinks entrepreneurs don't deserve any credit!"
 
2012-08-20 01:51:37 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: If a business owner can't get credit for building his business, 0bama can't get credit for personally leading the team that got 0BL.


Just how poor an education did you get, for fark sake? This is the letter "O" and this ("0") is a zero. Did your home schooling mom not teach you the difference?
 
2012-08-20 01:51:41 PM

Wyalt Derp: What's being lost in all this debate is that we still haven't seen the long-form death certificate.


I thought the long-form was shown already. Perhaps you're looking for the 3-volume novel form?
 
2012-08-20 01:52:04 PM

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A Klein bottle of right wing stupidity.

Yes, since Obama will not mount an attack on himself to remove himself from office, we doughty voters will have to do it.

/enjoying using "doughty" lately
//as well as "hurdy-gurdy", "tatterdemalion" and "bumf"
///why yes, I do enjoy a good Scrabble game occasionally, funny you should ask
 
2012-08-20 01:52:16 PM
Imagine a President cynically uses the bravery and dedication of people who risked their lives to win re-election. Now imagine that he goes so far to visit a working aircraft carrier during two wars for a photo-op. Now imagine that he unnecessarily flies in on two person jet in a flight suit with his junk jutting out for the world to see.

Now imagine that President was Barack Obama. See my point?
 
2012-08-20 01:52:17 PM
I like my presidents to get in fights with pretzels...and lose.
 
2012-08-20 01:55:44 PM

Goodfella: The GOP sure is butthert over Obama doing in 2 years what George Walker Bush couldn't do in 7 years.


It's hard to scare the public back into line, when he hunts down and kills off your boogey man.
 
2012-08-20 01:56:18 PM
MeinRS6:
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The president and his admin did lead the way in leaks that harm operational security after the raid. So he's got that going for him.

I wonder what Obama's personal kill list looks like for October this year. I'm sure he is pouring over that and has some exciting variations on the name Muhammed to turn into grease spots.

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2012-08-20 01:57:06 PM

bartink: Imagine a President cynically uses the bravery and dedication of people who risked their lives to win re-election. Now imagine that he goes so far to visit a working aircraft carrier during two wars for a photo-op. Now imagine that he unnecessarily flies in on two person jet in a flight suit with his junk jutting out for the world to see.

Now imagine that President was Barack ObamaBlack. See my point?

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2012-08-20 01:58:55 PM

MisterMook: Conservative talking points are stupid.

 
2012-08-20 01:59:29 PM

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2012-08-20 01:59:45 PM
tenpoundsofcheese:
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If a business owner can't get credit for building his business, 0bama can't get credit for personally leading the team that got 0BL.
img849.imageshack.us

You sound Tired 10lbsofDerp
 
2012-08-20 02:00:40 PM

Goodfella: The GOP sure is butthert over Obama doing in 2 years what George Walker Bush couldn't do in 7 years.


What? Add 5 trillion in debt?
 
2012-08-20 02:02:03 PM
Al-Qaeda is just as upset as Republicans are about Bin Laden being killed by the U.S.... But Al-Qaeda whines less about it.
 
2012-08-20 02:02:41 PM

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These people are insane. There is no other explanation.
 
2012-08-20 02:03:07 PM

Aldon: Al-Qaeda is just as upset as Republicans are about Bin Laden being killed by the U.S.... But Al-Qaeda whines less about it.


Hehe. Good one. :)
 
2012-08-20 02:04:21 PM

Ed Grubermann: Brick-House: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 594x368]

These people are insane. There is no other explanation.


You can tell it's election season when gormless farkwits start posting editorial cartoons and Photoshops and other various bits of graphical junk without comment.
 
2012-08-20 02:04:56 PM

St_Francis_P: radioshack: St_Francis_P: "And let's not forget that this is the commander in chief who finally led the mission that brought Osama bin Laden to justice," said Shaheen.

That is true. And if Bush had done that, I would have been OK with his supporters saying that.

Sure you would have. Sure.

I was never a knee-jerk Bush-basher.


Hell I hated "W" with a passion, he was a dangerous, evangical, former coke head with daddy issues who used the resources of this country as his plaything, but I was also watching 9/11 happen live and would give the man a high five and a beer if he had done the same.

But instead he openly admitted he wasn't even looking for him anymore and he wasn't important.
 
2012-08-20 02:05:03 PM
My favorite quote about this whole thing:

Idiot: "You act like Obama pulled the trigger!"
Me: "You act like Osama flew the plane."
 
2012-08-20 02:06:28 PM

TrollingForColumbine: bartink: Imagine a President cynically uses the bravery and dedication of people who risked their lives to win re-election. Now imagine that he goes so far to visit a working aircraft carrier during two wars for a photo-op. Now imagine that he unnecessarily flies in on two person jet in a flight suit with his junk jutting out for the world to see.

Now imagine that President was Barack ObamaBlack. See my point?
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x300]


Now imagine Matthew McConaughey's voice quivering as he pumps out fake tears and emotions, completely ruing an otherwise powerful scene.
 
2012-08-20 02:09:18 PM

Goodfella: The GOP sure is butthert over Obama doing in 2 years what George Walker Bush couldn't do in 7 years.


Look, Bush was busy keeping us safe by being on the ground by himself knocking heads in Iraq. I know we all expect president's to only take credit for the things they did with their bare hands but that means some stuff just isn't going to get done.
 
2012-08-20 02:15:38 PM

FlashHarry: Lando Lincoln: If the mission went bad, Obama would have gotten the blame.

The mission did not, so Obama gets the credit.

End of story.

motherfarking THIS.

obama was already being called "carter 2.0." had the OBL raid failed (like the hostage rescue in '79), it would've cemented his carter-ness. most said there was a 50-50 shot of success. but obama gave the green light anyway. that took balls of steel. that took LEADERSHIP.

do you think president romney would've made that call? bull. farking. shiat.



I agree that it took some big balls to do it and he would be so farkin' blamed if it went wrong but as far as Romney making the same call we don't know.
 
2012-08-20 02:17:02 PM
100+ posts and still no shoop of Obama with knife and machine guns?

Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2012-08-20 02:17:37 PM
He made the call, he get's the credit.


I don't even like Obama.
 
2012-08-20 02:25:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: If a business owner can't get credit for building his business, 0bama can't get credit for personally leading the team that got 0BL.


See, this is actually a good point. Because Obama does not get all the credit for getting Osama. He doesn't. He never claimed to, either, but you're right, he doesn't. See, when Obama came into office, there was already a military established, a SEAL team, and intelligence network. This infrastructure was essential to killing Osama, and it was not created by Obama, it was created by the millions of taxpayers over decades. What Obama did with this infrastructure was directed it to the killing of Osama despite Osama being in Pakistan. Obama,therefore, also was a necessary element to the killing of Osama. The killing would not have happened under a Bush, McCain or Romney because they would not have used the infrastructure in that way.

In exactly the same way, a business owner does not get all the credit for building his business. The infrastructure for any business, the electrical, water, educated workers, court system, mail system, communication system, transportation system, all exist prior to the creation of the business. No infrastructure, and you get no business. Nonetheless, the owner of the business is just as important as the infrastructure, because he directs the infrastructure towards the business goals. No owner, no business. Owners are a necessary element or the equation.

So, what you are saying is right, and is in complete agreement with everything Obama has said on the matters. Glad you can see it his way.
 
2012-08-20 02:26:46 PM

bullwrinkle: I agree that it took some big balls to do it and he would be so farkin' blamed if it went wrong but as far as Romney making the same call we don't know.


Romney in 2007: "It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."

Romney in 2007: "I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden."

Romney in 2012: ""Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order.""

The only reason we don't know if because the motherfarker has never been wholly consistent in anything in his career.
 
2012-08-20 02:28:37 PM
Obama is responsible for taking out Bin Laden, but not responsible for Solyndra.

Got it.
 
2012-08-20 02:29:33 PM

GranoblasticMan: Corvus: tenpoundsofcheese: If a business owner can't get credit for building his business, 0bama can't get credit for personally leading the team that got 0BL.

Well Obama never said he shouldn't get credit for building his business. You are lying. He said that the business didn't build the things like the roads and infrastructure that helped the business.

It was just a very poorly-worded speech, really. The point he was making is that no man is an island; we're all helped by society in one way or another. But all the GOP reactionaries think is "Obama thinks entrepreneurs don't deserve any credit!"


It's not even poorly worded. It just requires a little willful ignorance of everything he said before a short pause that would be represented by a comma.

It pains me to see that there are so many people who base their entire world view on their 7 grade civics in which they got a C.
 
2012-08-20 02:30:33 PM
over in one


Fart_Machine: But I'm sure conservatives don't blame Carter for the hostage rescue ending in failure.




And a big this for extra credit.
 
2012-08-20 02:32:22 PM

RyogaM: tenpoundsofcheese: If a business owner can't get credit for building his business, 0bama can't get credit for personally leading the team that got 0BL.

See, this is actually a good point. Because Obama does not get all the credit for getting Osama. He doesn't. He never claimed to, either, but you're right, he doesn't. See, when Obama came into office, there was already a military established, a SEAL team, and intelligence network. This infrastructure was essential to killing Osama, and it was not created by Obama, it was created by the millions of taxpayers over decades. What Obama did with this infrastructure was directed it to the killing of Osama despite Osama being in Pakistan. Obama,therefore, also was a necessary element to the killing of Osama. The killing would not have happened under a Bush, McCain or Romney because they would not have used the infrastructure in that way.

In exactly the same way, a business owner does not get all the credit for building his business. The infrastructure for any business, the electrical, water, educated workers, court system, mail system, communication system, transportation system, all exist prior to the creation of the business. No infrastructure, and you get no business. Nonetheless, the owner of the business is just as important as the infrastructure, because he directs the infrastructure towards the business goals. No owner, no business. Owners are a necessary element or the equation.

So, what you are saying is right, and is in complete agreement with everything Obama has said on the matters. Glad you can see it his way.


I could kiss you
 
2012-08-20 02:37:14 PM

Giltric: Obama is responsible for taking out Bin Laden, but not responsible for Solyndra.

Got it.


Obama is responsible for Solyndra, but not for taking out Bin Laden.

Got it.

/Your move.
 
2012-08-20 02:37:19 PM

BritneysSpeculum: tenpoundsofcheese: If a business owner can't get credit for building his business, 0bama can't get credit for personally leading the team that got 0BL.

Just how poor an education did you get, for fark sake? This is the letter "O" and this ("0") is a zero. Did your home schooling mom not teach you the difference?


I think he had to much "alone" time with the priest. But at least be had knowledge injected into him.
 
2012-08-20 02:37:30 PM

Giltric: Obama is responsible for taking out Bin Laden, but not responsible for Solyndra.

Got it.



Get back to me if you have anything suggesting that Obama personally authorized the grant for Solyndra?
 
2012-08-20 02:38:20 PM

BritneysSpeculum: Giltric: Obama is responsible for taking out Bin Laden, but not responsible for Solyndra.

Got it.


Get back to me if you have anything suggesting that Obama personally authorized the grant for Solyndra?


Even if he did... it was an investment in green energy that didn't work out because it was underbid in the market. Can someone explain what exactly the scandal was?
 
2012-08-20 02:43:47 PM

HighOnCraic: Right, but roughly four years ago, when he suggested going after bin Laden in Pakistan there was a lot of this going on:


duh.jpg
 
2012-08-20 02:54:35 PM
This scene you've painted, Subby, sounds like it would make a splendid van-mural.

/ Add a wolf howling.
 
2012-08-20 02:58:47 PM
Several months ago I asked my father (elderly Arkansan, Democrat hater) if he gave Obama any credit for the bin laden raid. He said no and spouted the same crap that the partisan hacks on Fox say about it. I then said, well then I guess Jimmy Carter wasn't responsible for Desert One. His head exploded and he started giving off-the-wall reasons for why it was Carter's fault. When I asked him why that wasn't hypocritical he sat dumbfounded for several minutes and replied,

"I can't"

We both died a little inside.
 
2012-08-20 02:59:15 PM

Bloody William: Even if he did... it was an investment in green energy that didn't work out because it was underbid in the market. Can someone explain what exactly the scandal was?


I am not saying that there was anything wrong with it. I am just pointing out the failure of the comparison. With regard to bin Laden, Obama actually made the call. With regard to Solyndra, it was a low level manager in the DOE. Really not the same thing.
 
2012-08-20 03:02:16 PM
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2012-08-20 03:10:09 PM

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Would that be the same GM that has gone from under $20 at Christmas to $22 at the end of this week? Not as stable as P&G (for maintaining value and for dividend payments), but certainly not the Enronesque entity it was with the previous guiding hand.

I like how your graph shows how badly Republicans are for business. That would be GM: as alive as Bin Laden is dead.

farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2012-08-20 03:14:07 PM

illogic: There's plenty of things to hate on Obama about. But this isn't one of them.

Every Republican I know refuses to give Obama credit for anything he might have gotten right. Why? It's like they would rather see Bin Laden at large than to give an ounce of credit to the Obama administration for taking him out.

Why does the GOP hate America?


Because Guess Who's Coming To Dinner was a success.
 
2012-08-20 03:22:28 PM

mrshowrules: maboulette.files.wordpress.com


To be frank, I don't think R'Money should apologize for being a successful businessman. If he's as successful as being president, then more power to him.

Still don't trust him as far as I can throw him, though...

/and Obama NEVER brought *me* donuts... :(
 
2012-08-20 03:23:37 PM

Bloody William: bullwrinkle: I agree that it took some big balls to do it and he would be so farkin' blamed if it went wrong but as far as Romney making the same call we don't know.

Romney in 2007: "It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."

Romney in 2007: "I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden."

Romney in 2012: ""Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order.""

The only reason we don't know if because the motherfarker has never been wholly consistent in anything in his career.


So I guess I fail to see his inconsistancy in this issue. Romney said he didn't want to be obsessed with OBL or use absurd amount of resourses (people, money, equipment and time) just to capture him.

It took a great deal of courage for Obama to make that decision and this was probably the biggest risk of his career.
 
2012-08-20 03:33:39 PM

odinsposse: Goodfella: The GOP sure is butthert over Obama doing in 2 years what George Walker Bush couldn't do in 7 years.

Look, Bush was busy keeping us safe by being on the ground by himself knocking heads in Iraq. I know we all expect president's to only take credit for the things they did with their bare hands but that means some stuff just isn't going to get done.



Like Bush doubling the national debt? Yeah, job well done.

We could have paid off the national debt and had hundreds of billions of dollars in surplus to pay for, for example, universal single payer health care for all. Instead, the national debt was doubled and the US is now known as a rogue nation that tortures human beings.
 
2012-08-20 03:47:35 PM

xanadian: mrshowrules: maboulette.files.wordpress.com

To be frank, I don't think R'Money should apologize for being a successful businessman. If he's as successful as being president, then more power to him.

Still don't trust him as far as I can throw him, though...

/and Obama NEVER brought *me* donuts... :(


He should apologize for how shiatty the book was. That is the true irony. The Rove title is much more ironic "Courage and Consequences" (morbidly so)
 
2012-08-20 03:51:30 PM
I, for one, look forward to reading much more from dingleBarry Hussein Soetoro and his internet minions.....
 
2012-08-20 03:52:55 PM

Bloody William: bullwrinkle: I agree that it took some big balls to do it and he would be so farkin' blamed if it went wrong but as far as Romney making the same call we don't know.

Romney in 2007: "It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."

Romney in 2007: "I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden."

Romney in 2012: ""Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order.""

The only reason we don't know if because the motherfarker has never been wholly consistent in anything in his career.


Here's a couple more from Romney in 2007:

"I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours..."

"There is a war being waged by terrorists of different types and nature across the world... We want, as a civilized world, to participate with other nations in this civilized effort to help those nations reject the extreme with them."

These farkers do nothing but Monday-morning quarterback.
 
2012-08-20 03:54:27 PM

HeartBurnKid: Bloody William: bullwrinkle: I agree that it took some big balls to do it and he would be so farkin' blamed if it went wrong but as far as Romney making the same call we don't know.

Romney in 2007: "It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."

Romney in 2007: "I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden."

Romney in 2012: ""Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order.""

The only reason we don't know if because the motherfarker has never been wholly consistent in anything in his career.

Here's a couple more from Romney in 2007:

"I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours..."

"There is a war being waged by terrorists of different types and nature across the world... We want, as a civilized world, to participate with other nations in this civilized effort to help those nations reject the extreme with them."

These farkers do nothing but Monday-morning quarterback.


Oh, and to add to that... I love the "Even Jimmy Carter would give that order" bit. Because Jimmy Carter did give that order, during the Iran hostage crisis. The operation went FUBAR, and it quite possibly cost Carter the 1980 election.
 
2012-08-20 03:58:10 PM

Bloody William: Giltric: Obama is responsible for taking out Bin Laden, but not responsible for Solyndra.

Got it.

Obama is responsible for Solyndra, but not for taking out Bin Laden.

Got it.

/Your move.


Dammit, RedBill, stop endorsing stupidity.
FACTS: Solyndra was a Bush-league project, just like the Great Recession, the financial industry bailout (TARP), and asinine tax cuts in wartime. (NB: Putting the off-the-books accounting for the Bush wars on the books where it belonged in the first place is not Obama-caused debt.)

New and improved statement on Solyndra with real facts and unnecessary citations:
At the September 14 hearing, Jonathan Silver, the Executive Director of the Loans Programs Office at Department of Energy, testified: "By the time the Obama Administration took office, the career staff had already established a timeline for issuing the company a conditional loan commitment in March 2009."[7] Numerous documents produced to the Committee confirm the accuracy of his testimony. For example, a DOE document from 2008 titled "Solyndra Solicitation Management Plan" lays out a timetable for the Solyndra loan guarantee application predicting a conditional commitment in January 2009 and final closing on the loan guarantee in March 2009.[8] Additionally, in a December 15, 2008, presentation to the DOE Credit Review Board, Bush Administration DOE officials listed Solyndra as the first of the "three highest priorities through January 15, 2008 [sic]."[9]

With respect to the January 9, 2009, Credit Committee recommendation to remand the Solyndra project to the Loan Guarantee Program Office without prejudice for supplementation, Mr. Silver testified this action "would be typical of a credit committee in both the public and private sector" when supplementary data were necessary.[10] Mr. Silver further testified that additional analysis was conducted and Solyndra's application was approved in March 2009. Mr. Silver testified that the Credit Committee referred to in the e-mails and documents consisted of career professionals.[11] The Obama Administration did not formally close the loan until September 3, 2009, more than seven months after the January 26, 2009, e-mail.


[7] House Committee on Energy and Commerce, Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, Testimony of Jonathan Silver, Hearing on Solyndra and the DOE Loan Guarantee Program, 112th Cong. (Sept. 14, 2011).

[8] Department of Energy, Solyndra Solicitation Management Plan (Nov. 21, 2008).

[9] E-mail (Dec. 15, 2008).

[10] House Committee on Energy and Commerce, Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, Testimony of Jonathan Silver, Hearing on Solyndra and the DOE Loan Guarantee Program, 112th Cong. (Sept. 14, 2011).

[11] Id.
 
2012-08-20 04:00:38 PM
I require a photoshop of this. Please.
 
2012-08-20 04:16:21 PM

xanadian: mrshowrules: maboulette.files.wordpress.com

To be frank, I don't think R'Money should apologize for being a successful businessman. If he's as successful as being president, then more power to him.


I'm not sure Romney's experience in business really prepares him for the job of being president. It's difficult to just sell all the nation's assets, fire all the citizens and outsource the job of being Americans to the Chinese who will do it cheaper.
 
2012-08-20 04:20:41 PM

The Homer Tax: HighOnCraic: Right, but roughly four years ago, when he suggested going after bin Laden in Pakistan there was a lot of this going on:

That was always my favorite part. During the 2008 campaign, when Obama suggested he would do *exactly what ended up happening* he was pilloried by the Republicans.The routinely cited it as evidence of his "lack of foreign policy experience."

After the whole operation carried out in that exact same situation, the response was "What's the big deal? Obama didn't do anything, anyone would have made that call."

The GOP needs Harvey Dent to be their Party Chair.


that they downplayed the accomplishment after years of chicken hawks sending other peoples children off to die is disgusting.
 
2012-08-20 04:27:34 PM

FloydA: xanadian: mrshowrules: maboulette.files.wordpress.com

To be frank, I don't think R'Money should apologize for being a successful businessman. If he's as successful as being president, then more power to him.


I'm not sure Romney's experience in business really prepares him for the job of being president. It's difficult to just sell all the nation's assets, fire all the citizens and outsource the job of being Americans to the Chinese who will do it cheaper.


Depends. Romney comes off as an effective *manager*. You can manage personnel in the White House, budgets, plans and strategies, etc. I'm sure a lot of what one uses as the head of a billion-dollar corporation can translate well into governing a country.

Now, *leadership* on the other hand...I'm yet to see that. Time will tell.
 
2012-08-20 04:39:18 PM

what_now: If this had gone tits up and ended with a healthy and hale Bin Laden executing a sailor on Pakistani TV while small children played in the wreckage of our most top secret weaponry, I'm quite sure that the GOP would have blamed the SEALS themselves, and given Obama a pass.



Just like the right's favorite President, Jimmy Carter.
 
2012-08-20 05:00:01 PM
It burns up the conservatards to no end to to know that Obama was the one who killed Bin Laden (just like Bush invaded Iraq) and no amount of biatching and whining by them will ever change that fact. Their guy (Bush) failed completely at getting Bin Laden and Obama succeeded in about the most ideal way.
 
2012-08-20 05:35:14 PM

xanadian: FloydA: xanadian: mrshowrules: maboulette.files.wordpress.com

To be frank, I don't think R'Money should apologize for being a successful businessman. If he's as successful as being president, then more power to him.


I'm not sure Romney's experience in business really prepares him for the job of being president. It's difficult to just sell all the nation's assets, fire all the citizens and outsource the job of being Americans to the Chinese who will do it cheaper.

Depends. Romney comes off as an effective *manager*. You can manage personnel in the White House, budgets, plans and strategies, etc. I'm sure a lot of what one uses as the head of a billion-dollar corporation can translate well into governing a country.

Now, *leadership* on the other hand...I'm yet to see that. Time will tell.


It could "translate well into governing a country" however Romney has already shown where his allegence is by blowing off the general public (aka 85% of Americans) in favor of wealthy donars time and time again. Mitt has a long standing history of selfishness for himself and business partners. He could care less of anyone else like "you people".
 
2012-08-20 05:56:51 PM

nyseattitude: wealthy donars



God rest his soul.

Or, Allah, I guess.
 
2012-08-20 06:58:27 PM
img607.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-20 07:06:34 PM

Bloody William: bullwrinkle: I agree that it took some big balls to do it and he would be so farkin' blamed if it went wrong but as far as Romney making the same call we don't know.

Romney in 2007: "It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."

Romney in 2007: "I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden."

Romney in 2012: ""Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order.""

The only reason we don't know if because the motherfarker has never been wholly consistent in anything in his career.


We know with nearly absolute certainty. Romney wouldn't have made the call. If Romney can't stack the deck, he folds. Point to one event in Romney's life where he stuck his neck out for anything. I'll wait, but I won't hold my breath.
 
2012-08-20 07:36:12 PM

doyner: Several months ago I asked my father (elderly Arkansan, Democrat hater) if he gave Obama any credit for the bin laden raid. He said no and spouted the same crap that the partisan hacks on Fox say about it. I then said, well then I guess Jimmy Carter wasn't responsible for Desert One. His head exploded and he started giving off-the-wall reasons for why it was Carter's fault. When I asked him why that wasn't hypocritical he sat dumbfounded for several minutes and replied,

"I can't"

We both died a little inside.


Haha. Made up story is made up.
 
2012-08-20 07:50:35 PM

radioshack: doyner: Several months ago I asked my father (elderly Arkansan, Democrat hater) if he gave Obama any credit for the bin laden raid. He said no and spouted the same crap that the partisan hacks on Fox say about it. I then said, well then I guess Jimmy Carter wasn't responsible for Desert One. His head exploded and he started giving off-the-wall reasons for why it was Carter's fault. When I asked him why that wasn't hypocritical he sat dumbfounded for several minutes and replied,

"I can't"

We both died a little inside.

Haha. Made up story is made up.



Why do you say it's made up? Because you also have no reason why you can blame Carter but say Obama wasn't responsible?
 
2012-08-20 10:10:08 PM
Subby and the WS need to take a step back and realize that trying to minimize the credit President Obama deserves for ordering the mission to kill Osama bin Laden is both foolish and is an effort in trying to lose any and all credibility.

While I salute the President for ordering this mission, I will not be voting for him. I do, however believe he deserve every bit of credit anyone wants to bestow on him for being the guy in charge when Osama met his 72 Virginians.
 
2012-08-20 10:49:00 PM

radioshack: doyner: Several months ago I asked my father (elderly Arkansan, Democrat hater) if he gave Obama any credit for the bin laden raid. He said no and spouted the same crap that the partisan hacks on Fox say about it. I then said, well then I guess Jimmy Carter wasn't responsible for Desert One. His head exploded and he started giving off-the-wall reasons for why it was Carter's fault. When I asked him why that wasn't hypocritical he sat dumbfounded for several minutes and replied,

"I can't"

We both died a little inside.

Haha. Made up story is made up.


Absolutely NOT made up. This is a condensed account of an actual conversation. I'm sure it seems fantastical to you that such events would transpire, but alas, this is our political landscape these days.
 
2012-08-21 12:15:22 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-21 01:13:48 AM

radioshack: Fart_Machine: But I'm sure conservatives don't blame Carter for the hostage rescue ending in failure.

Do you believe that that failure was not Carter's, and that Obama should take credit for the death of OBL?


So if the operation was a failure you'd be blaming Obama. Thank you for making my point.
 
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