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(ESPN)   Ichiro hits two home runs at Yankee Stadium, prompting New York media to wonder if Tebow can break baseball's home run record   (scores.espn.go.com) divider line 62
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2012-08-20 08:55:00 AM
what? that headline what does it mean?
not funny and doesnt make sense.

oh you put yankees and tebow. two great things to make sure you get a greenlight
 
2012-08-20 09:00:03 AM
Dammit Ichiro, retire so I can like you again and watch you become a first ballot HOFer
 
2012-08-20 09:00:42 AM

Freakin Rican: what? that headline what does it mean?
not funny and doesnt make sense.

oh you put yankees and tebow. two great things to make sure you get a greenlight


If Tebow got randomly mentioned it would have been passable. He wasn't.
 
2012-08-20 09:04:26 AM

thecpt: Freakin Rican: what? that headline what does it mean?
not funny and doesnt make sense.

oh you put yankees and tebow. two great things to make sure you get a greenlight

If Tebow got randomly mentioned it would have been passable. He wasn't.


exactly. oh well.

TheManofPA: Dammit Ichiro, retire so I can like you again and watch you become a first ballot HOFer


lol oh stop. i would love to see him make a playoff run to the world series and hopefully win one before he retires. even if its just one year here in NY
 
2012-08-20 09:17:07 AM

thecpt: Freakin Rican: what? that headline what does it mean?
not funny and doesnt make sense.

oh you put yankees and tebow. two great things to make sure you get a greenlight

If Tebow got randomly mentioned it would have been passable. He wasn't.


It's a reference to how ESPN randomly broke into the game to deliver a non-critical update about how Tebow was doing at training camp
 
2012-08-20 09:21:31 AM
Josh Beckett is awful. Also, I don't think this link has enough tags
 
2012-08-20 09:28:28 AM

Lost Thought 00: It's a reference to how ESPN randomly broke into the game to deliver a non-critical update about how Tebow was doing at training camp


Oh, I didn't watch it being it was about the 4th time Bo-sox and yankees had sunday night baseball. God, espn are tools. Did their ratings really go up that much from covering Tebow's birthday?
 
2012-08-20 09:36:54 AM
Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.
 
2012-08-20 09:39:08 AM

The Incredible Sexual Egg: Josh Beckett is awful. Also, I don't think this link has enough tags


Totally makes the tag thing worthwhile. If you search for a thing you get all the things. Its reminiscent of Chinese spammers.
 
2012-08-20 09:57:52 AM

rudemix: Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.


Neither was a cheapie. Both would've been a homer in most parks.
 
2012-08-20 10:02:52 AM

thecpt: Freakin Rican: what? that headline what does it mean?
not funny and doesnt make sense.

oh you put yankees and tebow. two great things to make sure you get a greenlight

If Tebow got randomly mentioned it would have been passable. He wasn't.


Never saw "Tebow" and "passable" in the same sentence.
 
2012-08-20 10:02:58 AM

The Bestest: rudemix: Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.

Neither was a cheapie. Both would've been a homer in most parks.


Good job, Ichiro. I've always liked him. Couldn't resist the slight dig though.
 
2012-08-20 10:07:31 AM

The Bestest: rudemix: Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.

Neither was a cheapie. Both would've been a homer in most parks.


Distances: 390 ft, 396 ft, both well to the right field side of the power alley. There isn't a park in baseball that would have held either one of them.
 
2012-08-20 10:12:39 AM

Yanks_RSJ: The Bestest: rudemix: Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.

Neither was a cheapie. Both would've been a homer in most parks.

Distances: 390 ft, 396 ft, both well to the right field side of the power alley. There isn't a park in baseball that would have held either one of them.


But HURR DURR SHORT PORCH
 
2012-08-20 10:15:42 AM

Yanks_RSJ: The Bestest: rudemix: Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.

Neither was a cheapie. Both would've been a homer in most parks.

Distances: 390 ft, 396 ft, both well to the right field side of the power alley. There isn't a park in baseball that would have held either one of them.


Did he change his swing? There's no way he did his usual slap hit that far. And then did it again accidentally.
/I would totally understand changing to power upon becoming a Yankee
 
2012-08-20 10:19:24 AM

TheManofPA: Dammit Ichiro, retire so I can like you again and watch you become a first ballot HOFer


Agree.
 
2012-08-20 10:20:14 AM
This may become the most epic thread ever.

Yankee hate and Tebow hate in the same thread? The potential is limitless.
 
2012-08-20 10:22:13 AM

thecpt: Yanks_RSJ: The Bestest: rudemix: Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.

Neither was a cheapie. Both would've been a homer in most parks.

Distances: 390 ft, 396 ft, both well to the right field side of the power alley. There isn't a park in baseball that would have held either one of them.

Did he change his swing? There's no way he did his usual slap hit that far. And then did it again accidentally.
/I would totally understand changing to power upon becoming a Yankee


He's always been good for a few power swings here and there. People have said that he could have hit something like 20 home runs a year if he wanted to sacrifice contact, but only went for it sometimes. Not sure how true that is, but it's out there.

And though I know these home runs in particular were not short-porch related, I'm sure it makes the idea of swinging for the fences more enticing.
 
2012-08-20 10:23:41 AM

TheManofPA: Dammit Ichiro, retire so I can like you again and watch you become a first ballot HOFer


I heard he's going into the HOF as a Yankee.
 
2012-08-20 10:26:38 AM

thecpt: Did he change his swing? There's no way he did his usual slap hit that far. And then did it again accidentally.
/I would totally understand changing to power upon becoming a Yankee


I didn't see the first one live (was watching the Falling Skies season finale.. don't judge me), but the second one you could tell right off the bat.. and his swing was amazingly quick.

Both Jeter and Ichiro with 3-for-4 with 2 extra base last night. Both are 38 years old. Coincidence?

Yes.
 
2012-08-20 10:28:34 AM

TheManofPA: Dammit Ichiro, retire so I can like you again and watch you become a first ballot HOFer


Huge Ichiro fan here, and I want him to get at least one legit shot at a World Series. The Yankees are his best shot.

I also appreciate the welcome the NY fans have given him.
 
2012-08-20 10:29:00 AM

thecpt: Did he change his swing? There's no way he did his usual slap hit that far. And then did it again accidentally.


He's always been able to drive pitches on the inner part of the plate because of the way he opens up. The first was up and in and he drove it into the 2nd deck down the line. The second was down and in and he just dropped the bat on it and ripped it deep into the seats. Nothing unusual about it, he's always had good power.
 
2012-08-20 10:35:52 AM

thecpt: Did he change his swing? There's no way he did his usual slap hit that far. And then did it again accidentally.


I've been able to catch enough Mariners games since moving out here to vouch for the fact that, especially on the inner half of the plate, Ichiro can drive the f*ck out of the ball.

He's fun to watch at BP too. On some swings he'll just do his slap-happy thing and then on the next one, DONG.
 
2012-08-20 10:36:07 AM

Yanks_RSJ: The Bestest: rudemix: Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.

Neither was a cheapie. Both would've been a homer in most parks.

Distances: 390 ft, 396 ft, both well to the right field side of the power alley. There isn't a park in baseball that would have held either one of them.


Yellowstone.
 
2012-08-20 10:37:02 AM
Since going to the Yankees, Ichiro has hit .322 with a .505 slugging percentage.
 
2012-08-20 10:49:02 AM

MFAWG: TheManofPA: Dammit Ichiro, retire so I can like you again and watch you become a first ballot HOFer

Huge Ichiro fan here, and I want him to get at least one legit shot at a World Series. The Yankees are his best shot.

I also appreciate the welcome the NY fans have given him.


Favorited "legitimate fan of the game"

As a Jays fan, I was utterly depressed to see Halladay go but he had perfect reasoning. He just wanted a title.
 
2012-08-20 11:07:38 AM

FreakinB: thecpt: Yanks_RSJ: The Bestest: rudemix: Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.

Neither was a cheapie. Both would've been a homer in most parks.

Distances: 390 ft, 396 ft, both well to the right field side of the power alley. There isn't a park in baseball that would have held either one of them.

Did he change his swing? There's no way he did his usual slap hit that far. And then did it again accidentally.
/I would totally understand changing to power upon becoming a Yankee

He's always been good for a few power swings here and there. People have said that he could have hit something like 20 home runs a year if he wanted to sacrifice contact, but only went for it sometimes. Not sure how true that is, but it's out there.

And though I know these home runs in particular were not short-porch related, I'm sure it makes the idea of swinging for the fences more enticing.


It's because his BP sessions are home run derbies(or they used to be), with a different swing basically when he's doing it. He's got the bat speed even if he doesn't have the stature to hit for power as a lefty pull hitter, but that's never been his goal. Maybe now that he's not leadoff for the first time in his career he'll get away from the slap mentality at least(home runs or not, his hitting approach has always been to get on base first, hit for power second)
 
2012-08-20 11:28:13 AM

MFAWG: I also appreciate the welcome the NY fans have given him.


He went from a standing ovation sendoff (from a crowd who bought their tickets before he was traded) to a standing ovation welcome. Actually I wonder how many folks in Seattle bought at the gate after they heard the news?

Always liked and admired him, and I'm stoked he is in NY now. Looking at the age of the current roster, depth of the rotation, A-Rod's contract, Swish and Granderson's contracts, I think it's this year or bust for the Yanks.
 
2012-08-20 11:31:09 AM

thecpt: Lost Thought 00: It's a reference to how ESPN randomly broke into the game to deliver a non-critical update about how Tebow was doing at training camp

Oh, I didn't watch it being it was about the 4th time Bo-sox and yankees had sunday night baseball. God, espn are tools. Did their ratings really go up that much from covering Tebow's birthday?


Wait, that really happened? I thought it was just another internet joke.
 
2012-08-20 11:33:32 AM

Flappyhead: Wait, that really happened? I thought it was just another internet joke.


Yes, and even the sportscasters had to moan in agony every time they were forced to cut to his birthday at camp.
 
2012-08-20 11:44:14 AM
It's not news that a professional baseball player can hit the ball over the fence if he makes good contact.

Ichiro is a professional hitter - it's what he does, what he has always done, and he's very good at it. He's also smart enough to know that it's more valuable to hit nearly .400 than to strike out 3/5 times, and he's not a huge power hitter anyway, so he's always intentionally focused on getting on base and advancing runners by any means possible and hasn't usually tried for the long ball. That doesn't mean he can't do it situationally, and in the HR-factory of the new Yankee stadium he can do so more easily.
 
2012-08-20 12:11:54 PM

H31N0US:
Always liked and admired him, and I'm stoked he is in NY now. Looking at the age of the current roster, depth of the rotation, A-Rod's contract, Swish and Granderson's contracts, I think it's this year or bust for the Yanks.


Meh, I'm not convinced the contract situation is as bad as it looks. ARod's contract decreases in annual cost every year (with bonuses that he may/may not reach for home runs, depending on his health). Ichiro won't be back. Jeter will be gone in two years. I'm not sure Mo is coming back. Will they re-sign Garcia, Kuroda, or Martin? Feliciano coming off the books saves $4m. AJ Burnett is still part of the salary hit, which will be gone at the end of next year.

I highly doubt they are going to let Granderson or Cano go anywhere, but Swisher is a maybe. I think they have enough expiring/retiring contracts and some good prospects to cheaply replace some guys to do fine with the big names they want to replace.
 
2012-08-20 01:33:21 PM

cefm: He's also smart enough to know that it's more valuable to hit nearly .400 than to strike out 3/5 times, and he's not a huge power hitter anyway, so he's always intentionally focused on getting on base


See, this is what I love about Ichiro fans.

You know who gets on base more than Ichiro? ADAM DUNN. Seems like striking out a lot works just fine for him. In fact, in terms of value, Dunn has been a more valuable hitter (by wOBA, which includes SB/CS) every season except last year. Here's a graph:

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(There's a small park aspect to this, of course, and if we adjust for that, Ichiro comes out ahead in 2003 as well, by a smidge).

Ichrio is a great fielder, a good baserunner, and an ok hitter (for a COF). I don't get why we have to pretend he's anything more.
 
2012-08-20 01:50:16 PM

DeWayne Mann: cefm: He's also smart enough to know that it's more valuable to hit nearly .400 than to strike out 3/5 times, and he's not a huge power hitter anyway, so he's always intentionally focused on getting on base

See, this is what I love about Ichiro fans.

You know who gets on base more than Ichiro? ADAM DUNN. Seems like striking out a lot works just fine for him. In fact, in terms of value, Dunn has been a more valuable hitter (by wOBA, which includes SB/CS) every season except last year. Here's a graph:

[i1154.photobucket.com image 675x400]

(There's a small park aspect to this, of course, and if we adjust for that, Ichiro comes out ahead in 2003 as well, by a smidge).

Ichrio is a great fielder, a good baserunner, and an ok hitter (for a COF). I don't get why we have to pretend he's anything more.


Because he allows you to enter foreign markets, strengthening your brand internationally increasing the base value of your franchise?

but basically he is ken griffey otherwise
 
2012-08-20 01:56:32 PM

DeWayne Mann: cefm: He's also smart enough to know that it's more valuable to hit nearly .400 than to strike out 3/5 times, and he's not a huge power hitter anyway, so he's always intentionally focused on getting on base

See, this is what I love about Ichiro fans.

You know who gets on base more than Ichiro? ADAM DUNN. Seems like striking out a lot works just fine for him. In fact, in terms of value, Dunn has been a more valuable hitter (by wOBA, which includes SB/CS) every season except last year. Here's a graph:

[i1154.photobucket.com image 675x400]

(There's a small park aspect to this, of course, and if we adjust for that, Ichiro comes out ahead in 2003 as well, by a smidge).

Ichrio is a great fielder, a good baserunner, and an ok hitter (for a COF). I don't get why we have to pretend he's anything more.


I know that stats-wise Ichiro's value doesn't nearly equal his reputation, and he definitely has issues with getting on base without getting a hit. But in his case I've never really cared just because he was so unique and entertaining. It was fun to have a guy who could potentially hit .360, even if it represented a disproportionate amount of his value.
 
2012-08-20 01:58:00 PM

DeWayne Mann: You know who gets on base more than Ichiro? ADAM DUNN. Seems like striking out a lot works just fine for him. In fact, in terms of value, Dunn has been a more valuable hitter (by wOBA, which includes SB/CS) every season except last year. Here's a graph:


Back when Dunn was with the Nationals, I was listening to a Phillies-Nationals game on the radio driving home from work. One of the Phillies hit a warning track fly ball to right, which Dunn lumbered back towards and then missed, a "double". Larry Anderson says something like, "I don't mean to say he's not trying out there. But he just does not move very well. Maybe it's like when you're at the airport, and you see a 747 going down the runway. They don't look like they're moving very fast because they're so big".

Patience: Dunn
Power: Dunn
Has never been compared to a commercial airliner: Ichiro
 
2012-08-20 02:05:16 PM

farbekrieg: but basically he is ken griffey otherwise


Maybe if Griffey was missing an arm or something. Or if we're talking about Sr.

FreakinB: I know that stats-wise Ichiro's value doesn't nearly equal his reputation, and he definitely has issues with getting on base without getting a hit. But in his case I've never really cared just because he was so unique and entertaining. It was fun to have a guy who could potentially hit .360, even if it represented a disproportionate amount of his value.


Of course he's fun. I'm just amazed that he gets painted as this guy who is SO GOOD at hitting that he purposely doesn't hit HRs because singles are more valuable or whatever.

you have pee hands: Back when Dunn was with the Nationals, I was listening to a Phillies-Nationals game on the radio driving home from work. One of the Phillies hit a warning track fly ball to right, which Dunn lumbered back towards and then missed, a "double". Larry Anderson says something like, "I don't mean to say he's not trying out there. But he just does not move very well. Maybe it's like when you're at the airport, and you see a 747 going down the runway. They don't look like they're moving very fast because they're so big".

Patience: Dunn
Power: Dunn
Has never been compared to a commercial airliner: Ichiro


Oh, overall, Ichiro has been more valuable than Dunn (Dunn is a great comp, btw, simply because they both showed up in 2011). But it's not because Ichiro is a great hitter.

(And I bet there have been a few fighter jet comparisons for Ichiro...which makes me wonder what other types of planes we can compare people to).
 
2012-08-20 02:13:48 PM

DeWayne Mann: (And I bet there have been a few fighter jet comparisons for Ichiro...which makes me wonder what other types of planes we can compare people to).


Japanese Zero?

Prince Fielder for AC-130
 
2012-08-20 02:20:41 PM

thecpt: DeWayne Mann: (And I bet there have been a few fighter jet comparisons for Ichiro...which makes me wonder what other types of planes we can compare people to).

Japanese Zero?

Prince Fielder for AC-130


Not bad, but I think I've got the best:

www.boingboing.net
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blog.kievukraine.info
 
2012-08-20 02:29:10 PM

DeWayne Mann: www.boingboing.net


That's a hard 36.
 
2012-08-20 02:33:17 PM

you have pee hands: DeWayne Mann: www.boingboing.net

That's a hard 36.


How about a "late-20s"?

d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net
 
2012-08-20 02:38:11 PM
johngushue.typepad.com

www.sectalk.com
 
2012-08-20 02:44:23 PM

thecpt: [johngushue.typepad.com image 750x453]

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Ok that's pretty good, especially if, as I suspect, Gossage is made of wood.
 
2012-08-20 02:48:44 PM

DeWayne Mann: Gossage is made of wood.


I think the mustache is some kind of steel bristle. Don't know bout the rest.
 
2012-08-20 03:04:37 PM
Somebody please tell the Yankees' radio announcer that he sucks.

"The Yankees' rising sun says 'sayonara!'"

/A home run only says Sayonara if it's a walk-off in Japan
//He still sucked before saying that
///And the second time he said that
 
2012-08-20 03:22:46 PM

lacrossestar83: Somebody please tell the Yankees' radio announcer that he sucks.


Anyone who thinks John Sterling isn't an abomination should have their voting rights revoked. You could record him for a week's worth of games and make a soundboard that would be the same at calling games. It doesn't matter if you hit the wrong button, he screws up more than you possibly could. I'd rather stop caring about baseball than be subjected to him every game.

/And...the...pitch...is....in...........strike one
 
2012-08-20 04:17:03 PM

rudemix: Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.


You do know that center field in Yankee Stadium is farther out than at Safeco, right?

"Bring in the fences" whiners should watch some baseball so they can identify AAA players and MLB utility guys. The Mariners are chock full of them.
 
2012-08-20 04:17:23 PM

Droog8912: lacrossestar83: Somebody please tell the Yankees' radio announcer that he sucks.

Anyone who thinks John Sterling isn't an abomination should have their voting rights revoked. You could record him for a week's worth of games and make a soundboard that would be the same at calling games. It doesn't matter if you hit the wrong button, he screws up more than you possibly could. I'd rather stop caring about baseball than be subjected to him every game.

/And...the...pitch...is....in...........strike one


Problem is that 99% of them all suck something awful. I cringe for KC fans as they now have Steve Physioc and Rex Hudler calling games. It's not that they're awful(Rex is kind of funny but Phys is more vanilla than vanilla), but they call the games like Buck and McCarver. Hey Phys, you're calling a local game on local tv/radio. You don't need to cheer for the other team because you want to be equitable.
 
2012-08-20 04:25:05 PM

Rent Party: rudemix: Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.

You do know that center field in Yankee Stadium is farther out than at Safeco, right?

"Bring in the fences" whiners should watch some baseball so they can identify AAA players and MLB utility guys. The Mariners are chock full of them.


Because all home runs are hit to center field.
Because Safeco's indoor weather patterns greatly benefit hitters.
Because Safeco violates the MLB standard for fence distances in left and right field.
 
2012-08-20 04:47:13 PM

bhcompy: Rent Party: rudemix: Yankee Stadium where even Ichiro can have multi homer games.

You do know that center field in Yankee Stadium is farther out than at Safeco, right?

"Bring in the fences" whiners should watch some baseball so they can identify AAA players and MLB utility guys. The Mariners are chock full of them.

Because all home runs are hit to center field.
Because Safeco's indoor weather patterns greatly benefit hitters.
Because Safeco violates the MLB standard for fence distances in left and right field.


Lets work backwards...

Safeco is in line with MLB rules for major league parks.

Weather patterns didn't seem to bother the winningest team in American League history just 10 short years ago.

The only places Yankee stadium is shorter than Safeco is on the foul lines. At most points on the fence-line, it is larger.

The problem with the Mariners is that they're a shiatty baseball team loaded with AAA players.
 
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