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(NBC News)   USS Constitution sails for Boston to celebrate the 200th anniversary of its victory over the HMS Guerriere in the war of 1812, destruction of the Planet Killer at system L-374   (photoblog.nbcnews.com) divider line 155
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2012-08-20 07:41:49 AM  
That was the USS Constellation NCC-1017, subby.
 
2012-08-20 08:02:42 AM  

dittybopper: That was the USS Constellation NCC-1017, subby.


Well, that doesn't mean that the guys on the USS Constitution (NCC-1700) weren't celebrating, too.
 
2012-08-20 08:08:18 AM  
We had some out of towners in at work for a couple of weeks. I suggested they go see the Freedom Trail, Faneuil Hall, the Constitution, etc. over one of the weekends. Their reply was that they thought it was kept in DC.

They had never heard of the ship.
 
2012-08-20 08:27:57 AM  
I wonder how long it'll take for a Canadian to come in and mention how they kicked our asses in that war.
 
2012-08-20 08:40:55 AM  

Cythraul: I wonder how long it'll take for a Canadian to come in and mention how they kicked our asses in that war.


If by Canada you mean the British Empire, and by "asses kicked" you mean fought to a draw...... then yes. I can't wait for the Canadians to remind us about that.
 
2012-08-20 08:41:39 AM  

b2theory: Cythraul: I wonder how long it'll take for a Canadian to come in and mention how they kicked our asses in that war.

If by Canada you mean the British Empire, and by "asses kicked" you mean fought to a draw...... then yes. I can't wait for the Canadians to remind us about that.


We let the Canadians have this victory. It's all they have, besides Hockey.
 
2012-08-20 08:46:37 AM  

b2theory: Cythraul: I wonder how long it'll take for a Canadian to come in and mention how they kicked our asses in that war.

If by Canada you mean the British Empire, and by "asses kicked" you mean fought to a draw...... then yes. I can't wait for the Canadians to remind us about that.


Hey, that's my understanding of the historical account of that war as well. But just wait, some Canadian will come in here at some point and 'correct' me/us. It'll most likely be that 'oldfart-what's-his-name' guy (I can't remember his Fark handle), if I'm not mistaken.
 
2012-08-20 09:24:22 AM  

b2theory: Cythraul: I wonder how long it'll take for a Canadian to come in and mention how they kicked our asses in that war.

If by Canada you mean the British Empire, and by "asses kicked" you mean fought to a draw...... then yes. I can't wait for the Canadians to remind us about that.


You're reminded. Feel better? Want your juice box and blanky now?
 
2012-08-20 09:26:33 AM  
www.pc.gc.ca


I'll bite, since I'm spending this whole month manning an expensive multi-media display on the War of 1812 and handing out paper shakos to kids.

There's a lot of exaggeration and national pride skewing the view of the war on both sides of the border; certainly the sacking of Washington was a British operation first to last (the troops were brought from a garrison in the West Indies, if I recall).

But the local militias in Upper and Lower Canada (Ontario and Quebec) did tremendous service during the war, punching well above their weight, sometimes alongside the small force of British regulars in Canada, sometimes on their own (like at Chateauguay, where Charles-Michel de Salaberry stopped a two-pronged American attack on Montreal)--although the contribution of the First Nations allies can't be discounted--their presence on the battlefield scared the crap out of everyone, it seems.

The US managed to thoroughly kick ass on the naval front, however--both at sea and on the Great Lakes.

Of course, York (Toronto) was taken and burned by the Americans; an act that most Canadians would probably welcome today were it to be repeated.
 
2012-08-20 09:37:02 AM  

b2theory: Cythraul: I wonder how long it'll take for a Canadian to come in and mention how they kicked our asses in that war.

If by Canada you mean the British Empire, and by "asses kicked" you mean fought to a draw...... then yes. I can't wait for the Canadians to remind us about that.


Yeah, I love how Canada likes to conveniently forget that they started the war and that we wrote a little song about kicking their asses in Baltimore Harbor that we continue to sing to this day.
 
2012-08-20 09:37:21 AM  

dittybopper: That was the USS Constellation NCC-1017, subby.


Standard Geek response to such an elemental Star Trek mistake...

www.roddenberry.com
 
2012-08-20 09:38:30 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: dittybopper: That was the USS Constellation NCC-1017, subby.

Well, that doesn't mean that the guys on the USS Constitution (NCC-1700) weren't celebrating, too.


Eh, RIP Commodore Decker, anyway. In either case.
 
2012-08-20 09:39:35 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: dittybopper: That was the USS Constellation NCC-1017, subby.

Well, that doesn't mean that the guys on the USS Constitution (NCC-1700) weren't celebrating, too.


The Constitution was a training ship...it shouldn't have been. It should have been as badass as the Enterprise..indeed in some ways it was the Enterprise of its era.
 
2012-08-20 09:39:55 AM  
Fun Fact: Old Ironsides' sides are not made of iron. Ironic?
 
2012-08-20 09:39:58 AM  

b2theory: Cythraul: I wonder how long it'll take for a Canadian to come in and mention how they kicked our asses in that war.

If by Canada you mean the British Empire, and by "asses kicked" you mean fought to a draw...... then yes. I can't wait for the Canadians to remind us about that.


That whole "burning-down-the-capital" thing is kinda big. But we got them back when they burned half their city down because of a hockey game. Who is the real winner?

/USA USA USA *cough*Bruins*
//I'm also aware it's Ottowa
 
2012-08-20 09:42:29 AM  

Rusty Shackleford: [www.pc.gc.ca image 384x216]

I'll bite, since I'm spending this whole month manning an expensive multi-media display on the War of 1812 and handing out paper shakos to kids.

There's a lot of exaggeration and national pride skewing the view of the war on both sides of the border; certainly the sacking of Washington was a British operation first to last (the troops were brought from a garrison in the West Indies, if I recall).

But the local militias in Upper and Lower Canada (Ontario and Quebec) did tremendous service during the war, punching well above their weight, sometimes alongside the small force of British regulars in Canada, sometimes on their own (like at Chateauguay, where Charles-Michel de Salaberry stopped a two-pronged American attack on Montreal)--although the contribution of the First Nations allies can't be discounted--their presence on the battlefield scared the crap out of everyone, it seems.

The US managed to thoroughly kick ass on the naval front, however--both at sea and on the Great Lakes.

Of course, York (Toronto) was taken and burned by the Americans; an act that most Canadians would probably welcome today were it to be repeated.


And don't forget the famous battle of New Orleans, where the Americans had to rely on a Jewish pirate to bail them out.
 
2012-08-20 09:43:24 AM  
Pbligatory

i12.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-20 09:44:13 AM  
Currently, the USS Olympia is up for grabs to the highest bidder and I think that the Constitution, the Monitor, the Olympia, the Missouri all represent important periods in the US naval tradition and should be preserved for all time in amber for when the comet bombs start and we need to beat Japan to retrofit a space cruiser to defeat the Cometine Empire.

Remember people- the future is in your hands... today. Avatar/Wildstar 2012.
 
2012-08-20 09:47:53 AM  
They're shipping up to Boston to find their wooden leg!
 
2012-08-20 09:52:30 AM  

dittybopper: That was the USS Constellation NCC-1017, subby.


i17.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-20 09:53:11 AM  
It also defeated the USS Montana and Destro's Pulse Modulator
 
2012-08-20 09:53:31 AM  
msnbcmedia.msn.com

Mean while, compassionate U.S. Navy personnel rinse and hang Wynonna Judd's "delicates" so she can remain at her husband's side as he recovers from injuries due to a motorcycle accident.
 
2012-08-20 09:53:38 AM  
My brother built the Constitution model when I was six or seven. He was very proud of it but it could not survive a sustained firecracker/ mens cologne attack. She sank in to the sidewalk with all hands lost. Of course my brother beat me soundly, but with every blow that fell upon my thick skull, I thought of those sails and all that meticulous rigging going up in a pretty blue flame.

I guess I should call him up and admit that it was I who destroyed his Vostock spaceship model too. It suffered two failures. One, the parachute didn't open. Two, no one installed a parachute.
 
2012-08-20 09:54:05 AM  
Now THAT...is one classy-looking warship.

/yes, really.
 
2012-08-20 09:54:57 AM  

Marc_Arsenal: They're shipping up to Boston to find their wooden leg!


Did you look up in the topsails?
 
2012-08-20 09:55:39 AM  

puckrock2000: Rusty Shackleford: [www.pc.gc.ca image 384x216]

I'll bite, since I'm spending this whole month manning an expensive multi-media display on the War of 1812 and handing out paper shakos to kids.

There's a lot of exaggeration and national pride skewing the view of the war on both sides of the border; certainly the sacking of Washington was a British operation first to last (the troops were brought from a garrison in the West Indies, if I recall).

But the local militias in Upper and Lower Canada (Ontario and Quebec) did tremendous service during the war, punching well above their weight, sometimes alongside the small force of British regulars in Canada, sometimes on their own (like at Chateauguay, where Charles-Michel de Salaberry stopped a two-pronged American attack on Montreal)--although the contribution of the First Nations allies can't be discounted--their presence on the battlefield scared the crap out of everyone, it seems.

The US managed to thoroughly kick ass on the naval front, however--both at sea and on the Great Lakes.

Of course, York (Toronto) was taken and burned by the Americans; an act that most Canadians would probably welcome today were it to be repeated.

And don't forget the famous battle of New Orleans, where the Americans had to rely on a Jewish pirate to bail them out.




Plus Jackson fought and won at Horseshoe Bend allow people to safely settle Alabama and Mississippi.
 
2012-08-20 09:57:10 AM  

Rusty Shackleford: But the local militias in Upper and Lower Canada (Ontario and Quebec) did tremendous service during the war, punching well above their weight, sometimes alongside the small force of British regulars in Canada, sometimes on their own (like at Chateauguay, where Charles-Michel de Salaberry stopped a two-pronged American attack on Montreal)--although the contribution of the First Nations allies can't be discounted--their presence on the battlefield scared the crap out of everyone, it seems.

The US managed to thoroughly kick ass on the naval front, however--both at sea and on the Great Lakes.

Of course, York (Toronto) was taken and burned by the Americans; an act that most Canadians would probably welcome today were it to be repeated.


The story of 1812 was that while militias are a fickle, undependable thing and almost useless on the attack, when provided the opportunity to defend known terrain, often with cover, they can stand up to a regular army.

Neither side in 1812 could consistently attack with success, and both sides had stunning underdog victories on the defensive.

The other story was that the indians sided against the Americans and with a foreign invader for the second time in two wars, and were basically exterminated as a result, because the Canadians were no better at honoring military alliances than the French were.
 
2012-08-20 09:59:39 AM  
msnbcmedia.msn.com

First Guy: My recruiter said "Sail Rigger is the cushiest job in the Navy. You'll just sit on the dock all day, watching the tide roll away."

Second Guy: Are you sure he said "Sail Rigger?"

First Guy: Come to think of it, there was church bell ringing at the most inappropriate moments of the conversation.
 
2012-08-20 10:00:44 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: My brother built the Constitution model when I was six or seven. He was very proud of it but it could not survive a sustained firecracker/ mens cologne attack. She sank in to the sidewalk with all hands lost. Of course my brother beat me soundly, but with every blow that fell upon my thick skull, I thought of those sails and all that meticulous rigging going up in a pretty blue flame.

I guess I should call him up and admit that it was I who destroyed his Vostock spaceship model too. It suffered two failures. One, the parachute didn't open. Two, no one installed a parachute.


Are you talking about the Constitution model that was two feet long and had a million parts because if you are, man that thing was unsinkable.
 
2012-08-20 10:01:44 AM  
www.deseretnews.com
CONGRATS OLD IRONSIDES
 
2012-08-20 10:01:55 AM  
I guess you call call the headline a TrekTroll....

/got bites
 
2012-08-20 10:02:43 AM  
The first broadside we poured
Carried her mainmast by the board
Which made this lofty frigate
Look abandoned, Oh!
Then Dacres shook his head,
And to his officers said,
Lord! I didn't think those Yankees
Were so handy, Oh!

Our second told so well
That their fore and mizzen fell,
Which doused the royal ensign
Neat and handy, Oh!
By George! says he, We're done!
And they fired the leeside gun
While the Yankees struck up
Yankee Doodle Dandy, Oh!
 
2012-08-20 10:02:59 AM  
Cool... Good childhood friend of mine was the Captain of the Constitution from 2007 - 2009.

www.neptunuslex.com
Commander William A. Bullard, III
 
2012-08-20 10:04:42 AM  

Rusty Shackleford: [www.pc.gc.ca image 384x216]

I'll bite, since I'm spending this whole month manning an expensive multi-media display on the War of 1812 and handing out paper shakos to kids.

There's a lot of exaggeration and national pride skewing the view of the war on both sides of the border; certainly the sacking of Washington was a British operation first to last (the troops were brought from a garrison in the West Indies, if I recall).

But the local militias in Upper and Lower Canada (Ontario and Quebec) did tremendous service during the war, punching well above their weight, sometimes alongside the small force of British regulars in Canada, sometimes on their own (like at Chateauguay, where Charles-Michel de Salaberry stopped a two-pronged American attack on Montreal)--although the contribution of the First Nations allies can't be discounted--their presence on the battlefield scared the crap out of everyone, it seems.

The US managed to thoroughly kick ass on the naval front, however--both at sea and on the Great Lakes.

Of course, York (Toronto) was taken and burned by the Americans; an act that most Canadians would probably welcome today were it to be repeated.


I was up in Niagara-on-the-Lake a few weeks ago which is the epicenter of the War of 1812 stuff for Canadians. Their take on the war is very different from the view of most Americans, but I believe its quite accurate. From the Canadian's perspective, the war for them was all about stopping the US from marching into Canada and taking the place over. And without a doubt they stopped this from happening.............often against very long odds.

Of course, the war wasn't about taking over Canada...........it was about stopping the Royal Navy from imposing their will on our Atlantic trade. While the US had their eyes on expanding the empire into Canada, the reality was the invasion was mostly a means to the ends of the wider war against the British.

Watched a poorly produced video of the war at Fort George that looked like it was made by a local high school. Every American portrayed in it was either drunk and/or extremely Southern (Never mind the fact that the current Southern accent didn't exist in 1812) plus always cartoonishly evil. I was amused.

/ CSB
// Thinking about the ice wine I brought home
 
2012-08-20 10:04:58 AM  

vudukungfu: Fun Fact: Old Ironsides' sides are not made of iron. Ironic?


/notsureifserious.gif

She acted like her sides were made of iron; the white oak wood that she is made of only grows in America, and was strong enough to have pirate and British cannonballs bounce off, which is why they called her Ironsides.

She's a beautiful vessel and it's nice to see her sailing again.
 
2012-08-20 10:05:38 AM  

minnesotaboy: dittybopper: That was the USS Constellation NCC-1017, subby.

Standard Geek response to such an elemental Star Trek mistake...

[www.roddenberry.com image 553x395]


I admit to being subby, and making the mistake.

I always fark up the name of the ship because I associate the Constellation with the class of ship that Picard's Stargazer was, and the Constitution was the Enterprise class ship.

For penance, I will watch that Voyager episode where Paris and Janeway cross the Transwarp threshold and turn into slug creatures.
 
GBB
2012-08-20 10:09:12 AM  

dittybopper: That was the USS Constellation NCC-1017, subby.


theinfosphere.org
 
2012-08-20 10:09:37 AM  

vudukungfu: Fun Fact: Old Ironsides' sides are not made of iron. Ironic?


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-08-20 10:10:11 AM  
It's ok subby, it was a funny headline regardless...
 
2012-08-20 10:13:12 AM  

Cythraul: I wonder how long it'll take for a Canadian to come in and mention how they kicked our asses in that war.


The USS Constitution has never lost a battle. Never.

She also holds the record for the shortest win in US Naval History.

Her wheel is from a British ship - hers was blown off by a canon shot early in a battle, and her captain ordered the Marines to board the enemy and retrieve their wheel, at all costs. As is their custom, they obeyed, with much blood loss.

--

The Constitution is everything America dreams itself to be. And nearly as old.
 
2012-08-20 10:14:25 AM  
Does anyone else lament that the Navy doesn't give cool names to ships very often? It's always states, cities, presidents, and famous naval persons and battles; probably pandering to whichever congress-persons sign the checks.

If we could resurrect one non-conforming ship name, I'd pick the USS Tyrannicide.
 
2012-08-20 10:14:28 AM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: I was up in Niagara-on-the-Lake a few weeks ago which is the epicenter of the War of 1812 stuff for Canadians. Their take on the war is very different from the view of most Americans, but I believe its quite accurate. From the Canadian's perspective, the war for them was all about stopping the US from marching into Canada and taking the place over. And without a doubt they stopped this from happening.............often against very long odds.


1812 is when Canada lost its war of independence. 

\Like a battered wife, it slunk back to Britain
 
2012-08-20 10:16:36 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Now THAT...is one classy-looking warship.

/yes, really.


Agreed. The tugboats really give a good sense of scale.
 
2012-08-20 10:16:47 AM  
Take that, you limey wankers!

/Just kidding, the UK has been a good friend to the U.S. for many a year.
//Carry on, chaps!
 
2012-08-20 10:18:07 AM  
FirstNationalBastard :

For penance, I will watch that Voyager episode where Paris and Janeway cross the Transwarp threshold and turn into slug creatures.


Easy there, it's not like you murdered anyone. You don't need to go that far.
 
2012-08-20 10:18:41 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: minnesotaboy: dittybopper: That was the USS Constellation NCC-1017, subby.

Standard Geek response to such an elemental Star Trek mistake...

[www.roddenberry.com image 553x395]

I admit to being subby, and making the mistake.

I always fark up the name of the ship because I associate the Constellation with the class of ship that Picard's Stargazer was, and the Constitution was the Enterprise class ship.

For penance, I will watch that Voyager episode where Paris and Janeway cross the Transwarp threshold and turn into slug creatures.


Even I, a Voyager fan, skip that one. I wish you Godspeed.
 
2012-08-20 10:19:03 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: minnesotaboy: dittybopper: That was the USS Constellation NCC-1017, subby.

Standard Geek response to such an elemental Star Trek mistake...

[www.roddenberry.com image 553x395]

I admit to being subby, and making the mistake.

I always fark up the name of the ship because I associate the Constellation with the class of ship that Picard's Stargazer was, and the Constitution was the Enterprise class ship.

For penance, I will watch that Voyager episode where Paris and Janeway cross the Transwarp threshold and turn into slug creatures.


Hey, whoa, let's not go all crazy talk here. I'll give you a lesser sentence of watching the TNG episode "Shades of Gray."
 
2012-08-20 10:19:48 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: [msnbcmedia.msn.com image 380x253]

First Guy: My recruiter said "Sail Rigger is the cushiest job in the Navy. You'll just sit on the dock all day, watching the tide roll away."

Second Guy: Are you sure he said "Sail Rigger?"

First Guy: Come to think of it, there was church bell ringing at the most inappropriate moments of the conversation.


Actually, it is a plum position. You work all day practicing early-19th-c seamanship, sometimes atop a heaving masthead, in all but the worst weather, and sometimes run shows for the tourists.

Aside from the tourists, it's about as fun as Naval work gets.
 
2012-08-20 10:20:47 AM  

This text is now purple: Born_Again_Bavarian: I was up in Niagara-on-the-Lake a few weeks ago which is the epicenter of the War of 1812 stuff for Canadians. Their take on the war is very different from the view of most Americans, but I believe its quite accurate. From the Canadian's perspective, the war for them was all about stopping the US from marching into Canada and taking the place over. And without a doubt they stopped this from happening.............often against very long odds.

1812 is when Canada lost its war of independence. 

\Like a battered wife, it slunk back to Britain


Fun fact. There was a idea among Republicains of seizing Canada, Jamacia and Belize to pay off The Alabama claims following the War of Northern Agression. Britain ending up just giving us cash payments
 
2012-08-20 10:22:15 AM  
Nice to see the old girl get to stretch her legs a bit. Watch out for tribbles in the top gallants.
 
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