If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Guardian)   Modern Christians think John Lennon's 'Imagine' is the "My Little Pony of philosophical statements"   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 493
    More: Unlikely  
•       •       •

13107 clicks; posted to Main » on 20 Aug 2012 at 10:40 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



493 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-08-20 12:17:13 PM

Yuri Futanari: topcon: FirstNationalBastard: I can tell this is going to be a completely logical and rational thread...


[i6.photobucket.com image 570x692]

Maybe it'd be more rational if childlike man-boys like you didn't post pictures of cartoons meant for young girls constantly.

Freak.

[i.imgur.com image 320x300]


i6.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-20 12:17:54 PM

Yuri Futanari: Kawaii! I love My Little Pony!

It's a super sugoi show about the power of nakama and overcoming warui things together. There are a lot of BAKA haters who don't like it though, but that's ok because those people are kimoi.

BROFHOOF EVERPONY! Arigato gozaimasu desu!


ogeeku.com

/tee hee
 
2012-08-20 12:18:27 PM

indylaw: verbaltoxin: 0Icky0: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Trying to explain faith to an unbeliever is like trying to explain a rainbow to someone who's been blind since birth. Words can't convey the feeling. It's something that has to be experienced.

Nonsense. Many unbelievers were formerly believers and remember very well what the experience was like.

That whole thing about rainbows sums up the magical thinking of the religious right there. A rainbow is light being diffused through a prism. Yes it's pretty, but it's not miraculous and you can create one with a piece of glass. To a Christian though it's God's promise not to drown us all again, so it is something amazing and miraculous, even though you can see a rainbow in a dirty puddle.

I love it when atheists explain my own religion to me. Yes, you're right - every time I see a rainbow, I think not "oh, hey, it's a rainbow," but "Praise Jesus, I'm not going to have to build a giant ship and gather a bunch of animals!" A prism would shatter my entire worldview. Please don't show me one or my head might assplode.


The rainbow is specified in the Bible to be God's promise to Noah to not destroy the Earth again. That's what Christianity teaches. Science discovered what rainbows actually are. The point here is that one believer, a Farker, professed that you can't explain to a blind person what it's like to see a rainbow, just like you can't explain what it's like to believe in God to an unbeliever. Yet that was refuted by another Farker, by pointing out the fact that atheists often are former believers. We already know what it's like to believe in God.

I made the additional point that Christian perspectives are informed by magical thinking, ergo the Bible story. It's not enough that a rainbow be a natural act. It has to be God's act as well. It's superimposed upon a perfectly normal, elegant and natural phenomenon such as a rainbow. It's not needed. It is insisted upon by religion. The rainbow comparison is pointless. Believing in God requires insisting upon the presence of something which isn't there. You're insistence that it is doesn't change that.
 
2012-08-20 12:18:28 PM

FirstNationalBastard: topcon: FirstNationalBastard: I can tell this is going to be a completely logical and rational thread...


[i6.photobucket.com image 570x692]

Maybe it'd be more rational if childlike man-boys like you didn't post pictures of cartoons meant for young girls constantly.

Freak.

[i55.tinypic.com image 500x281]


Durr, ponies!

What specific retardation do these people have, anyway? It's some kind of autism, right?

actionfigurecanada.files.wordpress.com

cache.gawker.com

www.theawl.com
 
2012-08-20 12:19:31 PM
Itt: People being as deliberately obtuse as humanly possible, and pretending like the world wouldn't be a better place if people just quit being pieces of shiat to each other.
 
2012-08-20 12:19:52 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Mr_Fabulous: BarkingUnicorn: I consider Buddhism to be a philosophy, not a religion, because it does not resort to anything supernatural. Its objective is the end of suffering through right living.

As it is studied and understood in the west, Buddhism is very much like a philosophy and not a religion. But as it is actually practiced in the East... it's just as full of supecrstitious bullshiat as any other religion. Generally.

You're right. The Buddha's message has been obfuscated, corrupted, and "elaborated" just as much as Christ's. Those who come after a great teacher tend to do that because a) product differentiation creates a money-making market you can call your own, and b) they lack their Master's insight and eloquence so they make shiat up in order to answer the awkward questions of the masses.

But the Buddha never said a word about God, or the universe's origin, or heaven or hell, or angels or demons. He was a very secular guy.


Not really. Buddhism is a big religion, and is practiced differently in different parts of the world... depending on which lineage you happen to follow. Buddha, the man, isn't part of the godhead. But there are gods in Buddhism. Just not "Buddhist" gods... they already existed. Buddhism doesn't lay claim to a singular salvation. It is just a path. So if that makes it a philosophy and not a religion for you, so be it. I wonder if this is just semantics though.
 
2012-08-20 12:20:37 PM

topcon: FirstNationalBastard: topcon: FirstNationalBastard: I can tell this is going to be a completely logical and rational thread...


[i6.photobucket.com image 570x692]

Maybe it'd be more rational if childlike man-boys like you didn't post pictures of cartoons meant for young girls constantly.

Freak.

[i55.tinypic.com image 500x281]

Durr, ponies!

What specific retardation do these people have, anyway? It's some kind of autism, right?

[actionfigurecanada.files.wordpress.com image 380x265]

[cache.gawker.com image 850x478]

[www.theawl.com image 640x480]


Oh, no, someone on the internet wants to make himself feel better by insulting others because he either doesn't understand something or it challenges his narrow view of what masculinity is!

Someone get him his fainting couch!

i6.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-20 12:20:52 PM

topcon: FirstNationalBastard: topcon: FirstNationalBastard: I can tell this is going to be a completely logical and rational thread...


[i6.photobucket.com image 570x692]

Maybe it'd be more rational if childlike man-boys like you didn't post pictures of cartoons meant for young girls constantly.

Freak.

[i55.tinypic.com image 500x281]

Durr, ponies!

What specific retardation do these people have, anyway? It's some kind of autism, right?

[actionfigurecanada.files.wordpress.com image 380x265]

[cache.gawker.com image 850x478]

[www.theawl.com image 640x480]


farm7.static.flickr.com
 
2012-08-20 12:21:15 PM

SpectroBoy: [diagoras.files.wordpress.com image 800x600]


OMG Thank you! I think this will be all I ever have to say about Religion ever again :D
 
2012-08-20 12:21:15 PM

dittybopper: yanceylebeef: dittybopper: xenophon10k: dittybopper:

Oh, and it smells of the rotting corpse of Communism, too.

Really? Communism? The right really isn't happy unless there is something to be afraid of, are they?

Well, let's look at the lyrics:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one

OK, so no religion ("Religion is the opiate of the masses" - Karl Marx), no countries (Karl Marx described Communism as a stateless society), no possessions (Karl Marx described Communism as a propertyless society). In essence, the song could have been written by Karl Marx himself. I mean, you have listened to the lyrics, right?


One could also call it the Garden of Eden, Paradise, Shangrila; most cultures have a word for it. Like most socio/economic systems, Marx was trying to make a kind of paradise. It didn't succeed like all the others, because we are an individualistic species.
 
2012-08-20 12:21:41 PM

UberDave: Please. Show me one person, just one, regardless of religion, who didn't tear up during that scene where Sam leaps back into himself and sings this song to his little sister to prove to her the Beatles eventually break up!


Oh boy...
 
2012-08-20 12:22:09 PM

dittybopper: xenophon10k: dittybopper: That's probably the best summary of "Imagine" that I've ever heard. It has about the most naive lyrics I've ever heard outside of songs written for young children. Even the The Wiggles are like "Dude, you need to be a bit more realistic".

/Not religious.

That's why it's called 'Imagine' and not 'This is Totally Plausible'

But it's advocating for what it says you should imagine:

You may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

But given all of recorded history, and the many thousands of attempts to create a perfect society, it's never, ever happened. And even in those places, here and there, where some remote semblance of it has occurred through dumb luck, it didn't last because outside forces crushed it.

The only realistic way to implement what Lennon was talking about (no religion, no countries, no possessions, nothing to kill or die for) is in essence to completely wipe humanity off the face of the Earth. Nothing to die for? My family will always be worth dying for, and killing for if the circumstances warrant it. Am I to not care about them?

Now, I'm down with the whole "no Heaven, no Hell" thing. But "living for today"? How will I guarantee that I have food to eat tomorrow if I don't plan for it? What about providing for my family?

Imagine is naive, pie-in-the-sky claptrap.

Oh, and it smells of the rotting corpse of Communism, too.


The first lyrics ar about imagine no government... so communism .. naw
It's a song. Get over it.
 
2012-08-20 12:22:17 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Oh, no, someone on the internet wants to make himself feel better by insulting others because he either doesn't understand something or it challenges his narrow view of what masculinity is!


Yeah, if that's your thing, that's cool, but I have a hard time imagining the guys in those pics are beating the ladies off with a stick, either.
 
2012-08-20 12:22:42 PM

topcon: FirstNationalBastard: topcon: FirstNationalBastard: I can tell this is going to be a completely logical and rational thread...


[i6.photobucket.com image 570x692]

Maybe it'd be more rational if childlike man-boys like you didn't post pictures of cartoons meant for young girls constantly.

Freak.

[i55.tinypic.com image 500x281]

Durr, ponies!

What specific retardation do these people have, anyway? It's some kind of autism, right?

[actionfigurecanada.files.wordpress.com image 380x265]

[cache.gawker.com image 850x478]

[www.theawl.com image 640x480]


Looks more like some kind of a glandular disorder to me...or they're just fat, sad, lonely manchildren who get off on furry crap but can't bring themselves to admit it and go yiff.

*shudder*
 
2012-08-20 12:22:55 PM

verbaltoxin: indylaw: verbaltoxin: 0Icky0: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Trying to explain faith to an unbeliever is like trying to explain a rainbow to someone who's been blind since birth. Words can't convey the feeling. It's something that has to be experienced.

Nonsense. Many unbelievers were formerly believers and remember very well what the experience was like.

That whole thing about rainbows sums up the magical thinking of the religious right there. A rainbow is light being diffused through a prism. Yes it's pretty, but it's not miraculous and you can create one with a piece of glass. To a Christian though it's God's promise not to drown us all again, so it is something amazing and miraculous, even though you can see a rainbow in a dirty puddle.

I love it when atheists explain my own religion to me. Yes, you're right - every time I see a rainbow, I think not "oh, hey, it's a rainbow," but "Praise Jesus, I'm not going to have to build a giant ship and gather a bunch of animals!" A prism would shatter my entire worldview. Please don't show me one or my head might assplode.

The rainbow is specified in the Bible to be God's promise to Noah to not destroy the Earth again. That's what Christianity teaches. Science discovered what rainbows actually are. The point here is that one believer, a Farker, professed that you can't explain to a blind person what it's like to see a rainbow, just like you can't explain what it's like to believe in God to an unbeliever. Yet that was refuted by another Farker, by pointing out the fact that atheists often are former believers. We already know what it's like to believe in God.

I made the additional point that Christian perspectives are informed by magical thinking, ergo the Bible story. It's not enough that a rainbow be a natural act. It has to be God's act as well. It's superimposed upon a perfectly normal, elegant and natural phenomenon such as a rainbow. It's not needed. It is insisted upon by religion. The rainbow comparison is ...


Atheists - so completely unable to grasp metaphor and symbolism that they assume Christians must be even worse.
 
2012-08-20 12:23:17 PM
Typical internet. Distracted by My Little Pony.

The real question: Is the default state of human beings - psychological, cultural and social - is one of peace?

I say no. Douchebags will grab and take what they want. You have to smack em back down. My Little Pony tastes good with BBQ sauce.
 
2012-08-20 12:23:55 PM

sigdiamond2000: Rueened: sigdiamond2000: WhippingBoy: Nabb1: sigdiamond2000: Whatever its politics, I think we can all agree that "Imagine" is an absolutely awful song, along with most of Lennon and McCartney's solo work.

Well, I think "absolutely awful" is a bit strong, but for the most part, I agree.

It's bad, but it's not "Wonderful Christmas Time" bad.

"Wonderful Christmastime" is the worst song ever recorded in the history of music. I defy anyone to name a song worse than that one.

A challenge!

"Peek A Boo' by Siouxsie & The Banshees.

That's certainly up there, I'll give you that. Still not close though.


I'll have to think of something else. Is it wrong that I have a playlist called 'Crimes Against Humanity'?
 
2012-08-20 12:25:20 PM

Snort: Typical internet. Distracted by My Little Pony.

The real question: Is the default state of human beings - psychological, cultural and social - is one of peace?

I say no. Douchebags will grab and take what they want. You have to smack em back down. My Little Pony tastes good with BBQ sauce.


It's a stupid debate for the internet.

No one on the internet wants to debate. They want to yell their point of view in all caps and ignore anyone who disagrees with them.

/most want to do the same thing in real life, too.
 
2012-08-20 12:25:59 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Rueened: FirstNationalBastard: Rueened: sigdiamond2000: WhippingBoy: Nabb1: sigdiamond2000: Whatever its politics, I think we can all agree that "Imagine" is an absolutely awful song, along with most of Lennon and McCartney's solo work.

Well, I think "absolutely awful" is a bit strong, but for the most part, I agree.

It's bad, but it's not "Wonderful Christmas Time" bad.

"Wonderful Christmastime" is the worst song ever recorded in the history of music. I defy anyone to name a song worse than that one.

A challenge!

"Peek A Boo' by Siouxsie & The Banshees.

I see your Peek A Boo, and raise you Honey, by Bobby Goldsboro.

I had to Google that; and now I wish I hadn't.

I'm sorry you did that. I just thought everyone already knew of the badness that is Honey.


Well, I had to find out some time.

Not a song... but I would like to nominate 'Toccata' by Sky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgbgUrp1a70
 
2012-08-20 12:26:50 PM

indylaw: verbaltoxin: indylaw: verbaltoxin: 0Icky0: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Trying to explain faith to an unbeliever is like trying to explain a rainbow to someone who's been blind since birth. Words can't convey the feeling. It's something that has to be experienced.

Nonsense. Many unbelievers were formerly believers and remember very well what the experience was like.

That whole thing about rainbows sums up the magical thinking of the religious right there. A rainbow is light being diffused through a prism. Yes it's pretty, but it's not miraculous and you can create one with a piece of glass. To a Christian though it's God's promise not to drown us all again, so it is something amazing and miraculous, even though you can see a rainbow in a dirty puddle.

I love it when atheists explain my own religion to me. Yes, you're right - every time I see a rainbow, I think not "oh, hey, it's a rainbow," but "Praise Jesus, I'm not going to have to build a giant ship and gather a bunch of animals!" A prism would shatter my entire worldview. Please don't show me one or my head might assplode.

The rainbow is specified in the Bible to be God's promise to Noah to not destroy the Earth again. That's what Christianity teaches. Science discovered what rainbows actually are. The point here is that one believer, a Farker, professed that you can't explain to a blind person what it's like to see a rainbow, just like you can't explain what it's like to believe in God to an unbeliever. Yet that was refuted by another Farker, by pointing out the fact that atheists often are former believers. We already know what it's like to believe in God.

I made the additional point that Christian perspectives are informed by magical thinking, ergo the Bible story. It's not enough that a rainbow be a natural act. It has to be God's act as well. It's superimposed upon a perfectly normal, elegant and natural phenomenon such as a rainbow. It's not needed. It is insisted upon by religion. The rainbow c ...


Christians, when their beliefs are challenged DEFLECT, DEFLECT, DEPLOY NON SEQUITURS ASAP!

Your pointless comments won't be read by me any further.
 
2012-08-20 12:27:56 PM

SilentStrider: sigdiamond2000: Whatever its politics, I think we can all agree that "Imagine" is an absolutely awful song, along with most of Lennon and McCartney's solo work.

Think again.


This. So much this.

FirstNationalBastard: Cythraul: dittybopper: That's probably the best summary of "Imagine" that I've ever heard. It has about the most naive lyrics I've ever heard outside of songs written for young children. Even the The Wiggles are like "Dude, you need to be a bit more realistic".

/Not religious.

If religious people were more realistic, the descriptive lyrics of "Imagine" would be a reality.

Making the real world a better place is too hard, takes too long, and requires effort.

Going to their heaven just requires dying, which is going to happen eventually anyway.


That; sadly, that.
 
2012-08-20 12:28:16 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Snort: Typical internet. Distracted by My Little Pony.

The real question: Is the default state of human beings - psychological, cultural and social - is one of peace?

I say no. Douchebags will grab and take what they want. You have to smack em back down. My Little Pony tastes good with BBQ sauce.

It's a stupid debate for the internet.

No one on the internet wants to debate. They want to yell their point of view in all caps and ignore anyone who disagrees with them.

/most want to do the same thing in real life, too.


FARK YOU, YOU IGNORANT CLOPPER! WE COULD HAVE A REAL DEBATE IF YOU'D JUST ADMIT THAT I'M RIGHT.

/the internet is great for 'bating
 
2012-08-20 12:28:41 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Snort: Typical internet. Distracted by My Little Pony.

The real question: Is the default state of human beings - psychological, cultural and social - is one of peace?

I say no. Douchebags will grab and take what they want. You have to smack em back down. My Little Pony tastes good with BBQ sauce.

It's a stupid debate for the internet.

No one on the internet wants to debate. They want to yell their point of view in all caps and ignore anyone who disagrees with them.

/most want to do the same thing in real life, too.


I'm willing to debate on the internet, but "where" is the operative word. Fark is not one of those places. I just now tried to have some sober discussion here, and was met with nothing but snark. Fine with me. Back to making dick jokes.
 
2012-08-20 12:29:08 PM

verbaltoxin: Your pointless comments won't be read by me any further.


:... (

Well, bye.
 
2012-08-20 12:30:14 PM

indylaw: Atheists - so completely unable to grasp metaphor and symbolism that they assume Christians must be even worse.


You seriously posted that as a response to "pointing out the fact that atheists often are former believers"?

I mean, really?

You *do* realize that most Atheists aren't born into Atheist homes...right?

Religion isn't a genetic trait. You aren't born into one, never to change your mind. Religion == Mythology that is still in-use. Most Americans are born into Christian homes. Many Atheists come from those very Christian homes. They have simply rejected mythology as a lifestyle. Unlike parents who are literally unable to remember what it was like to be a child, Atheists are quite capable of remembering what it was like to be within the Fold.
 
2012-08-20 12:30:18 PM

sigdiamond2000: WhippingBoy: Nabb1: sigdiamond2000: Whatever its politics, I think we can all agree that "Imagine" is an absolutely awful song, along with most of Lennon and McCartney's solo work.

Well, I think "absolutely awful" is a bit strong, but for the most part, I agree.

It's bad, but it's not "Wonderful Christmas Time" bad.

"Wonderful Christmastime" is the worst song ever recorded in the history of music. I defy anyone to name a song worse than that one.


"I'm into Something Good" by Heman's Hermits

/what do I win?
 
2012-08-20 12:30:50 PM

SpectroBoy: [diagoras.files.wordpress.com image 800x600]


Pretty much that.
 
2012-08-20 12:34:55 PM
I know there ain't no Heaven
And I pray there ain't no Hell
 
2012-08-20 12:35:29 PM
He never said Imagine no God, HE SAID, imagine no Rod...Rod Stewart

//came to drop a Ruddles reference.
 
2012-08-20 12:35:48 PM

ShadowLAnCeR: \this whole thread is full of derp


The headline mentions Christians, John Lennon, and My Little Pony. I think it was to be expected.
 
2012-08-20 12:36:10 PM

indylaw: Atheists - so completely unable to grasp metaphor and symbolism that they assume Christians must be even worse


This is silly. Christians have taken the bible literally for centuries. Yet it's those stupid atheists that can't decipher what is allegorical metaphor and what is literal? As a religion, stop pretending parts are literal or metaphorical at your convenience and then you can make fun of the intellect of atheists.
 
2012-08-20 12:36:25 PM

Snort: Typical internet. Distracted by My Little Pony.

The real question: Is the default state of human beings - psychological, cultural and social - is one of peace?

I say no. Douchebags will grab and take what they want. You have to smack em back down.


I propose to you that there is a difference between being a Homo Sapiens and a Human Being, and that everyone is a combination of both. Homo Sapiens is our short-sighted animal, biological side that simply wants to take, to screw, and to survive. Human Being is our more empathetic wide-view, psychologically evolved, sentient side, which endeavors to build a lasting society of peace, kindness, and generosity without thought of personal benefit. Everyone has a bit of both. People like Siddartha Buddha, Yeshua bin Yussef, and John Lennon were much more in touch with their human side. Most violent criminals are much more Homo Sapiens than they are Human Being. Most people these days lie somewhere in the middle, probably leaning towards Homo Sapiens.

My Little Pony tastes good with BBQ sauce.

Probably, but I just can't get past the pastel-colored meat.
 
2012-08-20 12:36:26 PM

MasterThief: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x324]

limboslam: I love Christians. They, like fat people, are one of the very few groups that I can openly mock, degrade and make fun of without people thinking I'm a bigot.

Popular bigotry is still bigotry.

Also, whenever I hear someone crooning "Imagine," I want to follow up with "Revolution."

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right


I remember that VH-1 special on Lennon and, when the so-called "counter-culture" types heard that song they all got offended. Lennon was basically stating that if you want to change the world, change your way of thinking and those types didn't want to hear that level of constructive criticism.

Kind of like that about him.
 
2012-08-20 12:37:15 PM

Kuroshin: indylaw: Atheists - so completely unable to grasp metaphor and symbolism that they assume Christians must be even worse.

You seriously posted that as a response to "pointing out the fact that atheists often are former believers"?

I mean, really?

You *do* realize that most Atheists aren't born into Atheist homes...right?


Religion isn't a genetic trait. You aren't born into one, never to change your mind.


I'm not retarded.

Religion == Mythology that is still in-use.

Not entirely sure what that has to do with anything.

Most Americans are born into Christian homes. Many Atheists come from those very Christian homes.

Again, not retarded.

They have simply rejected mythology as a lifestyle. Unlike parents who are literally unable to remember what it was like to be a child, Atheists are quite capable of remembering what it was like to be within the Fold.

Um, OK. Yeah, see, I get that most atheists were raised with some exposure to religion. I'm not a fool. Why did you assume that I was making a genetic argument?

I was responding to someone who told me that I had to believe that every rainbow was literally set there by God because it says in the book of Genesis that God intended the rainbow to be a sign that there would not be another deluge.

The Bible is full of symbolic thinking. Most religious people don't go around gushing about rainbows. The entire point was stupid and unimaginative. We're not a religion that goes around worshiping farking rainbows (how do they work??)
 
2012-08-20 12:38:26 PM

Bad_Seed: Unauthorised replication of objects would be considered piracy and treated in the same way as unauthorised replication of information is today.


< fyeahIddownloadacar.jpg >

A lot of science fiction in general is based on the notion of limitless free energy. I would love to live in a world like that, but it won't be in our lifetimes. Sigh.

BarkingUnicorn: But the Buddha never said a word about God, or the universe's origin, or heaven or hell, or angels or demons. He was a very secular guy.


Yebbut, there is a heaping helping of supernatural and a requirement to have faith in the unproveable, yes? I tried doing a little reading about Buddhism, as the "try to be nice, and mind your own business" doesn't seem bad to me, nor does "live in the moment," as my dog is sure as shiat a lot happier than any person I know... and I had seen claims such as yours. But everything I read, at some point, slammed into the "you have to believe in nonsense" wall. Not breathing for a week, holy men being "alive" for two weeks after death, reincarnation (of divine child kings, at that!), Karma as an active supernatural force rather than just a notion that eventually everything comes in balance, examples of magical enlightenment leading to a paradise land, etc.

I've actually kinda sorta been keeping an eye out for texts that *don't* mention some form of must-believe-in-supernatural element. In all sincerity, can you recommend one to me?

indylaw: Atheists - so completely unable to grasp metaphor and symbolism that they assume Christians must be even worse.


Religious people -- spent their entire lives being emotionally (and sometimes financially-) rewarded for believing in the "correct" set of ridiculous fairy tales, to the point that they simply cannot grok how foolish they look to others.

Hey! Generalizing *is* fun!
 
2012-08-20 12:38:59 PM
Somewhere, Yoko Ono is trying to figure out how to get paid by Fark for this thread.
 
2012-08-20 12:39:03 PM

karmaceutical: BarkingUnicorn: Mr_Fabulous: BarkingUnicorn: I consider Buddhism to be a philosophy, not a religion, because it does not resort to anything supernatural. Its objective is the end of suffering through right living.

As it is studied and understood in the west, Buddhism is very much like a philosophy and not a religion. But as it is actually practiced in the East... it's just as full of supecrstitious bullshiat as any other religion. Generally.

You're right. The Buddha's message has been obfuscated, corrupted, and "elaborated" just as much as Christ's. Those who come after a great teacher tend to do that because a) product differentiation creates a money-making market you can call your own, and b) they lack their Master's insight and eloquence so they make shiat up in order to answer the awkward questions of the masses.

But the Buddha never said a word about God, or the universe's origin, or heaven or hell, or angels or demons. He was a very secular guy.

Not really. Buddhism is a big religion, and is practiced differently in different parts of the world... depending on which lineage you happen to follow. Buddha, the man, isn't part of the godhead. But there are gods in Buddhism. Just not "Buddhist" gods... they already existed. Buddhism doesn't lay claim to a singular salvation. It is just a path. So if that makes it a philosophy and not a religion for you, so be it. I wonder if this is just semantics though.


If your path includes gods then it is not the Buddha's path, which is fine with him. His last words instructed his disciples to seek their own paths to "salvation," not blindly follow his teachings. There are as many paths to enlightenment as there are sentient beings, because each of them starts its journey from a different place.

The difference between Buddhism and religion is that the former requires no belief in the supernatural. That's not just semantics.
 
2012-08-20 12:39:17 PM
The Bible, Bronies, and John Lennon.


"Welcome to Fark!"
 
2012-08-20 12:39:25 PM

Kuroshin: Yuri Futanari: Kawaii! I love My Little Pony!

It's a super sugoi show about the power of nakama and overcoming warui things together. There are a lot of BAKA haters who don't like it though, but that's ok because those people are kimoi.

BROFHOOF EVERPONY! Arigato gozaimasu desu!

[ogeeku.com image 317x284]

/tee hee


Ahhhhhh! This is why I love Fark ^_^.

/post more ponies
//not a fan
///but posting them makes it teh awesome
 
2012-08-20 12:39:34 PM

dittybopper: Imagine is naive, pie-in-the-sky claptrap.


i47.tinypic.com

Did someone say my name? Cuz I think I heard someone say my name.

Oh. Sorry. My bad.
 
2012-08-20 12:40:08 PM

trappedspirit: radarlove: First of all, I freaking hate MLP and especially bronies. It's all furry crap if you ask me.

Secondly, I have yet to see anyone explain why spirituality and reason need to be mutually exclusive. They aren't. In fact, any reasonable person should be able to admit the potential for spirit and/or a sentient deity, as there is no physical evidence one for or against the existence of either.



I am what some would call a modern Christian, though I greatly dislike the term Christian and all that it has come to entail.

I do not believe in magic.
I do not believe in miracles.
I do not believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection.
I do not believe in exerting authority over others or in submitting to the authority of others.

And quite frankly, I find all of the above things crass, base, and distracting from what is really important- the message.

I believe that around 2000 years ago, a man named Yeshua bin Yussuf roamed Galilee putting folks on a new spiritual path. I believe that through his words and actions he delivered a message so powerful that it still resonates with people today. I believe that that message, were it to be truly implemented, would result in a truly Utopian society. And that message, at its core, is this:

Give. Give till it farking kills you. Quite being self-centered, kill your ego, forget that you ever existed and just GIVE.

Many Christians claim that I am not one. Many claim that for my beliefs I will go to Hell. I do not care. The existences of Heaven or Hell are completely irrelevant to me. To believe simply because one fears punishment or desires rewarding is the worst kind of selfishness and self-delusion. Punishment and reward are meaningless. Only the message matters, and I will continue to serve the cause for its sake.

I thought the who point of Christianity was that Jesus was the one and only way to eternal salvation. You just sound like a hippy.


No, radarlove hit the point of Christianity on the nose.
You're talking about the rules of Christianity.
 
2012-08-20 12:41:38 PM
i141.photobucket.com
bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2012-08-20 12:46:29 PM
As a devoted fan of Strawberry Shortcake, I must say you "bronies" are a bunch of homos.
 
2012-08-20 12:47:41 PM

sigdiamond2000: Whatever its politics, I think we can all agree that "Imagine" is an absolutely awful song, along with most of Lennon and McCartney's solo work.


I can only agree somewhat if the following is excluded.

i296.photobucket.com

This album is farking fantastic.
 
2012-08-20 12:49:44 PM
FTA: "None of this proves the existence of God in the way a science would demand because its evidence arises from the inner lives of individuals. It does, though, reflect a strand in the philosophical discussion of God..."

Stand-up Philosopher?
 
2012-08-20 12:51:09 PM
"Lennon be trippin'!" -- Charles Darwin

If individuals stopped trying to improve their lot in life, evolution stops.
So thanks, Christian writer, for making an argument for evolution.
 
2012-08-20 12:51:34 PM

doubled99: As a devoted fan of Strawberry Shortcake, I must say you "bronies" are a bunch of homos.


And as a devoted fan of cock, I must say that that's not giving enough credit to homos. Most homos wouldn't touch this pedophilic furry shiat with a ten foot, throbbing, veiny pole.

/Mmmmmmm...pole
 
2012-08-20 12:52:10 PM

Rwa2play: MasterThief: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x324]

limboslam: I love Christians. They, like fat people, are one of the very few groups that I can openly mock, degrade and make fun of without people thinking I'm a bigot.

Popular bigotry is still bigotry.

Also, whenever I hear someone crooning "Imagine," I want to follow up with "Revolution."

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right

I remember that VH-1 special on Lennon and, when the so-called "counter-culture" types heard that song they all got offended. Lennon was basically stating that if you want to change the world, change your way of thinking and those types didn't want to hear that level of constructive criticism.

Kind of like that about him.


The only people who appreciate that sort of "constructive" criticism are fat middle age housewives thumbing through the self help section of BookBarn.
 
2012-08-20 12:54:30 PM

BarkingUnicorn: karmaceutical: BarkingUnicorn: Mr_Fabulous: BarkingUnicorn: I consider Buddhism to be a philosophy, not a religion, because it does not resort to anything supernatural. Its objective is the end of suffering through right living.

As it is studied and understood in the west, Buddhism is very much like a philosophy and not a religion. But as it is actually practiced in the East... it's just as full of supecrstitious bullshiat as any other religion. Generally.

You're right. The Buddha's message has been obfuscated, corrupted, and "elaborated" just as much as Christ's. Those who come after a great teacher tend to do that because a) product differentiation creates a money-making market you can call your own, and b) they lack their Master's insight and eloquence so they make shiat up in order to answer the awkward questions of the masses.

But the Buddha never said a word about God, or the universe's origin, or heaven or hell, or angels or demons. He was a very secular guy.

Not really. Buddhism is a big religion, and is practiced differently in different parts of the world... depending on which lineage you happen to follow. Buddha, the man, isn't part of the godhead. But there are gods in Buddhism. Just not "Buddhist" gods... they already existed. Buddhism doesn't lay claim to a singular salvation. It is just a path. So if that makes it a philosophy and not a religion for you, so be it. I wonder if this is just semantics though.

If your path includes gods then it is not the Buddha's path, which is fine with him. His last words instructed his disciples to seek their own paths to "salvation," not blindly follow his teachings. There are as many paths to enlightenment as there are sentient beings, because each of them starts its journey from a different place.

The difference between Buddhism and religion is that the former requires no belief in the supernatural. That's not just semantics.


Buddhism acknowledges that religions are as "real" as the rest of the universe, which is itself the phenomenal manifestation of Maya. Of course, your statement would be factually correct if you feel that "nature" as we experience it is an illusion, and the only true "nature" is that of our indelible spirit.
 
2012-08-20 12:54:33 PM
i.imgur.com
 
Displayed 50 of 493 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report