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2012-08-20 08:14:16 AM
How *DARE* someone I disagree with like my music!!!!!! Stop it, STOP IT RIGHT NOW!
 
2012-08-20 08:14:30 AM
There's some weapons-grade derp in that article.
 
2012-08-20 08:21:06 AM
ZOMG!!!!111!!!! an op-ed journalist perpetuated a story that wasn't true! i guess she didn't build that!
 
2012-08-20 08:29:23 AM
When someone says "cop killer bullets" and "plastic guns that are undetectable", you know they are an idiot. Let's take the two assertions apart:

1. "Cop Killer Bullets": Any bullet of sufficient energy can penetrate the typical bullet resistant vest worn by police officers. That includes pretty much every single rifle round used by deer hunters. If you ban bullets based upon their ability to go through a vest that isn't rated to stop them in the first place, you shut down big game hunting in the United States. Even Ted Kennedy was stupid enough to fall for this:

In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers. These high-capacity rifles, the ATF wrote, pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel particles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by law enforcement officers.

Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.
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My amendment will not apply to ammunition that is now routinely used in hunting rifles or other centerfire rifles. To the contrary, it only covers ammunition that is designed or marketed as having armor-piercing capability.
- Senator Edward Kennedy

Except that the .30-30 Winchester ammo he mentions as having killed 3 police officers, and which presumably would be banned because it is "armor piercing", is *THE* deer caliber in the United States. It's used in the iconic lever action carbines that are traditional hunting rifles. It is, if not the most common, then one of the most common hunting calibers. Ever.

But it's a "cop killer bullet", because it was used to kill some cops, and therefore it's "bad".



2. There never was an "undetectable" plastic gun, despite what you might have seen in the movies. The original concern was over the Glock, which has a plastic frame, but the slide, barrel, and other parts are still metal, and it still looks like a gun on an x-ray device. But don't take my word for it, see for yourself:

www.as-e.com

In fact, you can't make a gun out of plastic, at least, not one that wouldn't be so huge as to be essentially unconcealable. You might be able to build a barrel that will take a single .22 LR shot out of it, but it would be about the same diameter as Popeye's forearms, and it would be a one-shot deal.

In sum, when someone whips out these two talking points, you know they are idiots.
 
2012-08-20 08:53:37 AM

dittybopper: When someone says "cop killer bullets" and "plastic guns that are undetectable", you know they are an idiot. Let's take the two assertions apart:


I love when they refer to hollow-points (usually the old Black Talon) as "cop killers." Hollow-points are incredibly ineffective against body armor.
 
2012-08-20 09:17:13 AM
The Jesuits were even more tart, with one group writing to Ryan that "Your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

Wow. I never thought I'd see Cathoics, let alone Jesuts, take a republican to task.
 
2012-08-20 09:35:51 AM
Summary = Matthew 7:15
 
2012-08-20 09:42:27 AM

dittybopper: 2. There never was an "undetectable" plastic gun, despite what you might have seen in the movies.


www.imfdb.org

Dang
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-20 09:42:47 AM

Sgt Otter: dittybopper: When someone says "cop killer bullets" and "plastic guns that are undetectable", you know they are an idiot. Let's take the two assertions apart:

I love when they refer to hollow-points (usually the old Black Talon) as "cop killers." Hollow-points are incredibly ineffective against body armor.


Actually, "cop killer bullets" are armor piercing for calibers that body armor would normally stop, such as 9mm. If someone claims that 9mm armor piercing ammunition doesn't exist then you know you are dealing with an idiot.
 
2012-08-20 09:53:08 AM

Sgt Otter: dittybopper: When someone says "cop killer bullets" and "plastic guns that are undetectable", you know they are an idiot. Let's take the two assertions apart:

I love when they refer to hollow-points (usually the old Black Talon) as "cop killers." Hollow-points are incredibly ineffective against body armor.


Heh. Bullets designed to penetrate don't expand, and bullets designed to expand don't penetrate. They are two opposites on the spectrum.
 
2012-08-20 09:53:19 AM
smartcine.com
 
2012-08-20 09:54:20 AM

dittybopper: There never was an "undetectable" plastic gun, despite what you might have seen in the movies.


You're right, it isn't plastic at all:

images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-08-20 10:07:13 AM

vpb: Sgt Otter: dittybopper: When someone says "cop killer bullets" and "plastic guns that are undetectable", you know they are an idiot. Let's take the two assertions apart:

I love when they refer to hollow-points (usually the old Black Talon) as "cop killers." Hollow-points are incredibly ineffective against body armor.

Actually, "cop killer bullets" are armor piercing for calibers that body armor would normally stop, such as 9mm. If someone claims that 9mm armor piercing ammunition doesn't exist then you know you are dealing with an idiot.


That's now how Teddy Kennedy saw it. Nor is it how the laws were originally proposed. In fact, the NRA had to step in and help re-write the proposed ban on "cop killer bullets" back in the 1980s so that it wouldn't cover common hunting ammunition, because the original legislation used a performance based standard: If it could be fired in a handgun (and most rifle calibers can be, and are, capable of being fired from a handgun), and it could penetrate a vest, it would have been banned. In essence, that would have shut down big game hunting because the ammo used in, for instance, the classic "Thirty-thirty" Winchester would have been banned.
 
2012-08-20 10:16:10 AM
So the porcelain gun described in Die Hard 2 might not be real?
 
2012-08-20 10:49:28 AM

Sgt Otter: dittybopper: When someone says "cop killer bullets" and "plastic guns that are undetectable", you know they are an idiot. Let's take the two assertions apart:

I love when they refer to hollow-points (usually the old Black Talon) as "cop killers." Hollow-points are incredibly ineffective against body armor.



I remember there being a bunch of hoopla over these (Black Talons) in the mid 90s. So a friend and I split a box of .45 just to check them out. We "waterbarreled" a few of them (along with some hydroshocks) until we had some with perfect spread. I remember thinking those things were evil - I placed one in the middle of my upturned forearm for scale and thought if one of those hit me there, no more arm...
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-20 11:14:49 AM

dittybopper: vpb: Sgt Otter: dittybopper: When someone says "cop killer bullets" and "plastic guns that are undetectable", you know they are an idiot. Let's take the two assertions apart:

I love when they refer to hollow-points (usually the old Black Talon) as "cop killers." Hollow-points are incredibly ineffective against body armor.

Actually, "cop killer bullets" are armor piercing for calibers that body armor would normally stop, such as 9mm. If someone claims that 9mm armor piercing ammunition doesn't exist then you know you are dealing with an idiot.

That's now how Teddy Kennedy saw it. Nor is it how the laws were originally proposed. In fact, the NRA had to step in and help re-write the proposed ban on "cop killer bullets" back in the 1980s so that it wouldn't cover common hunting ammunition, because the original legislation used a performance based standard: If it could be fired in a handgun (and most rifle calibers can be, and are, capable of being fired from a handgun), and it could penetrate a vest, it would have been banned. In essence, that would have shut down big game hunting because the ammo used in, for instance, the classic "Thirty-thirty" Winchester would have been banned.


"had to step in and re-write"? I think that's called lobbying.

None of that changes the fact that there is AP ammunition for handguns that is intended to penetrate body armor.

Body armor isn't used very often by muggers, it is mainly used by cops. "Cop-killer bullet" is a very accurate description for that type of ammo.
 
2012-08-20 11:18:18 AM

UberDave: Sgt Otter: dittybopper: When someone says "cop killer bullets" and "plastic guns that are undetectable", you know they are an idiot. Let's take the two assertions apart:

I love when they refer to hollow-points (usually the old Black Talon) as "cop killers." Hollow-points are incredibly ineffective against body armor.


I remember there being a bunch of hoopla over these (Black Talons) in the mid 90s. So a friend and I split a box of .45 just to check them out. We "waterbarreled" a few of them (along with some hydroshocks) until we had some with perfect spread. I remember thinking those things were evil - I placed one in the middle of my upturned forearm for scale and thought if one of those hit me there, no more arm...


Meh.

They were no more effective or dangerous than conventional hollowpoint rounds, and you can still buy them in the SXT guise.

/It was mostly just marketing.
 
2012-08-20 11:41:23 AM

Mugato: So the porcelain gun described in Die Hard 2 might not be real?



Heh.

Ah yes....the mythical "Glock 7"....which is about as real as the jackalope.
 
2012-08-20 11:46:19 AM
No shiat! It is how the military industrial complex works. They create the threats that we need protecting from. This means they can profit from both sides of a manufactured conflict and still come across as the patriotic heroes that saved the day.
 
2012-08-20 11:49:15 AM
Wasn't there a Fark story a few weeks ago about using a 3D printer to print your own gun, including the reciever?
 
2012-08-20 11:54:09 AM
For the non-article readers out there, you may miss this gem:

"He is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades," Morello writes, adding: "I clearly see that Ryan has a whole lotta 'rage' in him: A rage against women, a rage against immigrants, a rage against workers, a rage against gays, a rage against the poor, a rage against the environment. Basically, the only thing he's not raging against is the privileged elite he's groveling in front of for campaign contributions." Tom Morello (rage against the machine).

ZING
 
2012-08-20 11:55:48 AM
Other favorites of Paul Ryan include Straight Outta Compton, Nevermind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols, and Body Count's self-titled album.
 
2012-08-20 11:59:43 AM

dittybopper:
In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers. These high-capacity rifles, the ATF wrote, pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel particles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by law enforcement officers.

Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating....



Ummmm wut?
 
2012-08-20 12:00:35 PM

mcreadyblue: Wasn't there a Fark story a few weeks ago about using a 3D printer to print your own gun, including the reciever?


No - it was just printing the receiver, which doesn't absorb the energy of the round firing. The barrel, chamber, etc, for that story were still standard metal parts.

However, the receiver is generally the ATF serial tracked item.
 
2012-08-20 12:03:42 PM

mcreadyblue: Wasn't there a Fark story a few weeks ago about using a 3D printer to print your own gun, including the reciever?


No, you can print the receiver. The barrel and firing chamber still need to be able to withstand the expanding powder, and printable plastic can't. The strange part is that it is the receiver that the ATF considers "the firearm". Every other part you can buy without a background check.
 
2012-08-20 12:08:07 PM
mareen dowd has produced a shiat tier article for her NYT column? Jesus titty farking Christ what shall we ever do now!?!?!?
 
2012-08-20 12:09:43 PM

mcreadyblue: Wasn't there a Fark story a few weeks ago about using a 3D printer to print your own gun, including the reciever?


It was only the lower receiver on an AR 15 pattern rifle, which is not a stressed part of the firearm. They are normally made from aluminum, and serve to hold the magazine, stock, trigger/hammer/safety parts, and as a mounting location for the upper receiver, which includes the barrel, and bolt assembly. It is also the part ATF decided was the firearm, where the manufacturer name and serial number are found.

I remember hearing a few years ago about a guy who machined one out of a block of the plastic used for cutting boards.
 
2012-08-20 12:10:24 PM

ykarie: mcreadyblue: Wasn't there a Fark story a few weeks ago about using a 3D printer to print your own gun, including the reciever?

No, you can print the receiver. The barrel and firing chamber still need to be able to withstand the expanding powder, and printable plastic can't. The strange part is that it is the receiver that the ATF considers "the firearm". Every other part you can buy without a background check.


That's kind of stupid, isn't it? If you are going to track something, track something useful like the barrel. That way you have a ballistics imprint to go with a serial number. Not that ballistics is a "magic bullet" for identifying guns. But it is better than nothing.
 
2012-08-20 12:11:55 PM

ykarie: The strange part is that it is the receiver that the ATF considers "the firearm". Every other part you can buy without a background check.


For many, but not all, weapons. In some cases the upper receiver, where the chamber and barrel are, are the tracked part (such as the SCAR/MK17)
 
2012-08-20 12:14:23 PM
Relevant:

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2012-08-20 12:15:40 PM

Sid_6.7: Relevant:

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How cute... Can they serve tea?
 
2012-08-20 12:17:12 PM

dittybopper: That's now how Teddy Kennedy saw it. Nor is it how the laws were originally proposed. In fact, the NRA had to step in and help re-write the proposed ban on "cop killer bullets" back in the 1980s so that it wouldn't cover common hunting ammunition, because the original legislation used a performance based standard: If it could be fired in a handgun (and most rifle calibers can be, and are, capable of being fired from a handgun), and it could penetrate a vest, it would have been banned. In essence, that would have shut down big game hunting because the ammo used in, for instance, the classic "Thirty-thirty" Winchester would have been banned.


That's an awful long time ago. I'm not sure why you are bringing it up when someone is talking about banning armor piercing bullets for handguns.
 
2012-08-20 12:18:13 PM
I'm liberal leaning but let me just sum up this article by Maureen Dowd, shill of the left - she makes basically about 3 points and everything else is slimy garbage:

Tom Morello quote that talks about how Ryan sucks.

Nothing original here Maureen, move along.

Tries to draw reference to Dukakis, Dole
Of course, because those two were perfect examples of failed campaigns.

comparison to Sarah Palin
Good lord, he really is not Sarah Palin in any way shape or form.

Quote by another biased person
Now I'm annoyed.

Wow an actual argument - He backed government expansion, yet he's now beloved by the base as a deficit hawk - LOL.
Congratulations, one actual point.

Comparison to Quayle and WASPs based on looks
Can we please focus on facts?

Comparison of Ryan to Cheney followed by 'They are farking crazy.' She uses french here to make her point that crazy people act outwardly calm. Then talks about how Cheney shot a man.
Arguments for or against a candidate should be made on basis of policy and fact, not wild accusations of someone being a farking psycho.

Discussion on how Ryan is a fan of concealed weapons and shortening background check duration.
I'm OK with concealed carry, just not shortening background checks (unless you make me a good argument on this).

More Cheney comparisons, cluster dump on Cheney.
Move along.

Ryan supports anti-abortion - "like one undercutting an exemption from the ban on using federal money for abortions in cases of rape or incest, and narrowing the definition of rape to "forcible rape."
I differ with his policy on that one. And yes narrowing rape definition is pretty miserable.

Even Catholic bishops/nuns/Jesuits/pedophiles think Ryan is uncompassionate because they deemed his budget immoral.
You are trying too hard Maureen. I regularly disagree with Catholic bishops on all kinds of stuff.
But yes his budget is problematic because it tries too hard and doesn't compromise with the left.

Warning: Ryan is outwardly calm but underneath his skin is lizard and he eats human babies.
Nice way to sum up at the end.
 
2012-08-20 12:21:54 PM

Saiga410: dittybopper:
In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers. These high-capacity rifles, the ATF wrote, pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel particles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by law enforcement officers.

Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating....



Ummmm wut?


I have no idea either, but that's what Teddy Kennedy said, and it's part of the Congressional Record if anyone cares to look. Let the complete and utter idiocy, and lack of brains from someone that was supposed to be rather smart, sink in:

Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.

It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.


-Senator Edward M. Kennedy, 108th Congress, February 26th, 2004.
 
2012-08-20 12:27:06 PM
I don't think you guys get the point. Rage Against the Machine's music had a message. Finding out that someone like Ryan claims to like their music is kind of a slap in the face because he stands for so many things that are counter to their message. It's kind of like you're a hard core atheist political author whose message completely rejects Jesus' gospel of compassion and you find out that some jerk claiming to be ultra-religious claims to be a disciple of yours.
 
2012-08-20 12:31:06 PM

YouBWrong: Finding out that someone like Ryan claims to like their music is kind of a slap in the face because he stands for so many things that are counter to their message.


Pretty much why Kurt Cobain killed himself.
 
2012-08-20 12:44:53 PM

vpb: dittybopper: vpb: Sgt Otter: dittybopper: When someone says "cop killer bullets" and "plastic guns that are undetectable", you know they are an idiot. Let's take the two assertions apart:

I love when they refer to hollow-points (usually the old Black Talon) as "cop killers." Hollow-points are incredibly ineffective against body armor.

Actually, "cop killer bullets" are armor piercing for calibers that body armor would normally stop, such as 9mm. If someone claims that 9mm armor piercing ammunition doesn't exist then you know you are dealing with an idiot.

That's now how Teddy Kennedy saw it. Nor is it how the laws were originally proposed. In fact, the NRA had to step in and help re-write the proposed ban on "cop killer bullets" back in the 1980s so that it wouldn't cover common hunting ammunition, because the original legislation used a performance based standard: If it could be fired in a handgun (and most rifle calibers can be, and are, capable of being fired from a handgun), and it could penetrate a vest, it would have been banned. In essence, that would have shut down big game hunting because the ammo used in, for instance, the classic "Thirty-thirty" Winchester would have been banned.

"had to step in and re-write"? I think that's called lobbying.

None of that changes the fact that there is AP ammunition for handguns that is intended to penetrate body armor.

Body armor isn't used very often by muggers, it is mainly used by cops. "Cop-killer bullet" is a very accurate description for that type of ammo.


AP wasn't originally meant for modern body armor. It's meant to punch through walls by not flattening, fragmenting, or expanding. It predates the widespread use of modern body armor.
A hardened slug against Kevlar is unlikely to do much besides get caught in the weave. If it wasn't for media misinformation, most folks would know that using AP in a handgun is futile for killing cops.
 
2012-08-20 12:48:33 PM

bartink: dittybopper: That's now how Teddy Kennedy saw it. Nor is it how the laws were originally proposed. In fact, the NRA had to step in and help re-write the proposed ban on "cop killer bullets" back in the 1980s so that it wouldn't cover common hunting ammunition, because the original legislation used a performance based standard: If it could be fired in a handgun (and most rifle calibers can be, and are, capable of being fired from a handgun), and it could penetrate a vest, it would have been banned. In essence, that would have shut down big game hunting because the ammo used in, for instance, the classic "Thirty-thirty" Winchester would have been banned.

That's an awful long time ago. I'm not sure why you are bringing it up when someone is talking about banning armor piercing bullets for handguns.


Senator Kennedy wanted to ban the .30-30 Winchester as recently as 2004. That was only 8 years ago.

The way they write those laws are "ammunition that can be used in a handgun". Here are a couple of handguns that can fire common hunting ammunition:

www.tcarms.com 

Thompson/Center Encore

www.mycsg.com

Remington XP-100

There are others, like the Savage 510 and 516, and the (rare) Weatherby Mark V Silhouette, Kimber Model 84, the Thompson/Center Contender (forerunner of the Encore), and Freedom Arms Model 2008. That list is by no means all-inclusive.

It goes without saying that a vest designed to stop a .38 Special or a 9mm Parabellum isn't going to stop a .30'06 Springfield, or a .30-30 Winchester, or a .243 Winchester out of a handgun, and those are all very popular deer calibers.
 
2012-08-20 12:49:01 PM

bdub77: I'm liberal leaning but let me just sum up this article by Maureen Dowd, shill of the left - she makes basically about 3 points and everything else is slimy garbage:

Tom Morello quote that talks about how Ryan sucks.

Nothing original here Maureen, move along.

Tries to draw reference to Dukakis, Dole
Of course, because those two were perfect examples of failed campaigns.

comparison to Sarah Palin
Good lord, he really is not Sarah Palin in any way shape or form.

Quote by another biased person
Now I'm annoyed.

Wow an actual argument - He backed government expansion, yet he's now beloved by the base as a deficit hawk - LOL.
Congratulations, one actual point.

Comparison to Quayle and WASPs based on looks
Can we please focus on facts?

Comparison of Ryan to Cheney followed by 'They are farking crazy.' She uses french here to make her point that crazy people act outwardly calm. Then talks about how Cheney shot a man.
Arguments for or against a candidate should be made on basis of policy and fact, not wild accusations of someone being a farking psycho.

Discussion on how Ryan is a fan of concealed weapons and shortening background check duration.
I'm OK with concealed carry, just not shortening background checks (unless you make me a good argument on this).

More Cheney comparisons, cluster dump on Cheney.
Move along.

Ryan supports anti-abortion - "like one undercutting an exemption from the ban on using federal money for abortions in cases of rape or incest, and narrowing the definition of rape to "forcible rape."
I differ with his policy on that one. And yes narrowing rape definition is pretty miserable.

Even Catholic bishops/nuns/Jesuits/pedophiles think Ryan is uncompassionate because they deemed his budget immoral.
You are trying too hard Maureen. I regularly disagree with Catholic bishops on all kinds of stuff.
But yes his budget is problematic because it tries too hard and doesn't compromise with the left.

Warning: Ryan is outwardly calm but underneath his ...



Haha, tl;dr butthurt.. Boy, your sphincter must be severely inflamed.
 
2012-08-20 12:49:35 PM
Whenever anybody asks me at what point did I realize the media in this country was biased, I tell them about the fiasco surrounding the "PLASTIC GUN" panic.

It was disgraceful, dishonest, and totally one-sided.

I just remember asking myself "what the hell are they talking about?" Plastic gun, what plastic gun? Somebody invented a plastic barrel?

The media proved themselves to be untrustworthy. From that point on, you had to ask yourself what else they were lying about.

Fark 'em long, hard, and deep.
 
2012-08-20 12:50:30 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: YouBWrong: Finding out that someone like Ryan claims to like their music is kind of a slap in the face because he stands for so many things that are counter to their message.

Pretty much why Kurt Cobain killed himself.


I've always been of the opinion that Kurt Cobain looked upon what he had done to music in a moment of clarity, and decided to do the right thing.
 
2012-08-20 12:50:46 PM

vpb: None of that changes the fact that there is AP ammunition for handguns that is intended to penetrate body armor.

Body armor isn't used very often by muggers, it is mainly used by cops. "Cop-killer bullet" is a very accurate description for that type of ammo.


Sure, but that is like saying hot lesbians who want to have 3 ways with neck-bearded basement dwellers exist. They may be out there somewhere, but not widely available.

Despite NBC and Sara Brady hand wringing, "KTW" ammunition has never been available to the general public (even before laws were proposed), and no cop has ever been injured by true armor piercing handgun ammo.

bartink: That's an awful long time ago. I'm not sure why you are bringing it up when someone is talking about banning armor piercing bullets for handguns.


That is the last time there was a law proposed on the subject, that the moron in the opinion piece is citing. The proposed law was so shiattily written, it would have banned pretty much all rifle hunting ammo in the country, simply because they would penetrate body armor that was never designed to stop rifle fire.

The really sad thing about the topic is that until the media hoopla over "cop-killer" bullets, it really wasn't all that common knowledge that most police wore armor.
 
2012-08-20 12:53:12 PM

Citrate1007: No shiat! It is how the military industrial complex works. They create the threats that we need protecting from. This means they can profit from both sides of a manufactured conflict and still come across as the patriotic heroes that saved the day.


beezuskiddo.files.wordpress.com

Pick up the gun.

/gingham
 
2012-08-20 12:56:12 PM

YouBWrong: I don't think you guys get the point. Rage Against the Machine's music had a message.


Yeah. "We take ourselves too seriously."
 
2012-08-20 12:56:23 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: YouBWrong: Finding out that someone like Ryan claims to like their music is kind of a slap in the face because he stands for so many things that are counter to their message.

Pretty much why Kurt Cobain killed himself Courtney Love used that excuse as a smokescreen for committing husbandicide.


// you know, ferdelulz
 
2012-08-20 01:01:32 PM
7.62x25 is a great caliber for penetrating plate steel.
AP ammo? Got cases and cases of it.

/cz-52
 
2012-08-20 01:02:17 PM
WHAT happens when you realize you are the machine you're raging against?

What will happen when journalists realize politicians are not always telling them the truth. That Rage you think Paul Ryan has for the machine, that you think the GOP has for government? Yeah that's all made up.
 
2012-08-20 01:08:51 PM
I wonder if Mythbusters could do a plastic gun episode.

/they could put it under "In The Line of Fire" hollywood mtyh
 
2012-08-20 01:14:39 PM

lennavan: WHAT happens when you realize you are the machine you're raging against?

What will happen when journalists realize politicians are not always telling them the truth. That Rage you think Paul Ryan has for the machine, that you think the GOP has for government? Yeah that's all made up.


Real national journalists are a rare breed and quickly going extinct. Chances are you are reporting for a corporate-owned news network with its own best interests in mind.
 
2012-08-20 01:20:41 PM

beta_plus: I wonder if Mythbusters could do a plastic gun episode.

/they could put it under "In The Line of Fire" hollywood mtyh


Lets test the myth of whether you could make a functioning gun completely out of non-metallic materials that could easily be assembled and go through a airport scanner unnoticed, and show you how we did it.....

Um, yeah, I'll be looking for that soon on national TV.
 
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